Well, I got banned today, good-bye 4 mages, and mains. (Non Dual-Boxing Ban)

[Rimmel]

Xzin Edit: It (still) remains to be seen what the real cause of his ban was. He may just be a troll. At this point, I have absolutely no reason to believe this was a ban simply "for boxing".

Well, I played 4 mages on the Andorhal PVP realm and were in the process of boosting them through SM Library with my lvl 64 Warrior and I get a whisper from a GM asking how I was doing. I turn to my main mages screen and I say "I'm doing fine, just trying to get my mages to lvl 39 tonight and head to AB" and they say "Good." I ask how I can help them and they say I am violating the games EULA agreement by ignoring the games global cool down with the use of third party programs. I told them I didn't understand, and that the only thing I was using was Keyclone, which is what I was told was OK by other GM's. They said it was not ok, and third party programs were not allowed.

I am then disconnected and so I try to log back in it says I have been banned.

"Your World of Warcraft account has been closed and is no longer available for use."

I log into my lvl 64 Warrior account, banned too. My girlfriends account, lvl 65 Hunter, banned.

I'm hoping this is a misunderstanding, and that I can get my account back. I probably wont get mine and my girlfriends account back as I didn't use my real name when making the account, instead used a cartoon characters name is some attempt to be funny or something.

I have NOT got an e-mail Yet. As soon as I do, I will post it here.

To be honest, I'm not completely upset. (my girlfriend is super pissed) Multiboxing was pretty much my last little thing to try before I got 100% bored of the game and quit. It was fun while it lasted, I kinda hope this IS a mess up.

[Yeti Detective Agency]

Interesting. Keep us updated.

Do you think you got a 3 hour/3 day suspension or a permanent ban?




...ignoring the games global cool down with the use of third party programs .

This statement I don't completely understand.

[Rimmel]

I'm guessing permanent. I've never been suspended before, but I'm guess that it tells you when you log in how long you have been suspended before? All I know is that is says canceled and unable for me to use.

[Ðeceased]

they say I am violating the games EULA agreement by ignoring the games global cool down with the use of third party programs
That is strange to say the least.. the only thing i can think of is that they were looking at your characters and saw that when you activated a skill on your alts, ur main had already started his GCD.. but then again.. I don't understand why that GM wouldn't realise that the GCD is character based not keystroke based :S


It sounds to me that either this is some huuuge misunderstanding or that there may be another addon somewhere that they were looking at.. Is that possible?

[Rimmel]

Interesting. Keep us updated.

Do you think you got a 3 hour/3 day suspension or a permanent ban?





...ignoring the games global cool down with the use of third party programs .

This statement I don't completely understand.Also, don't mean to double post, didn't see the second part. I still don't understand completely. How do I ignore the games global cool down time? It's not like I can cast Fireball several times instantly.

[Otlecs]

Well, since the GCD is imposed server-side, that's clearly an entirely bogus reason.

Of course, and as discussed at length on these forums, using accounts with different names is a surefire way to get yourself banned, but that's not what was said on this occasion.

Keep us up-to-date with your efforts to get this fixed - it's clearly a GM screw-up, although it would be interesting to find out what put them onto you in the first place.

Purely out of curiosity, was this on the EU or US servers?

[Rimmel]

hen you activated a skill on your alts, ur main had already started his GCD.. but then again.. I don't understand why that GM wouldn't realise that the GCD is character based not keystroke based :SThe only other addon I've used before is QuestHelper, but I've got that turned off most of the time in attempt to make things a little faster for my main mage, as for my other 3 mages, they didn't have anything.


And I am US based playing on US server.

[Diamndzngunz]

Account Shearing. FTL

[Otlecs]

The text of the logon failure message suggests a permanent ban rather than a temporary one.

>And I am US based playing on US server.

Then you have a whole wealth of quotes and assertions - including these ones ('http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&postId=52356269828&sid=1#4') just from this morning - indicating that KeyClone and similar programs are absolutely fine.

For some reason, even though we're playing the same game, I always feel that the European GMs aren't as switched on to this sort of thing as the US guys are.

Good luck on this - you're on solid ground with the 3rd party / GCD crap the GM spouted, but you know the situation with the fake names and girlfriend's account.

Post the email when you can - that should give us a better idea as to the actual reason for the ban.

[Ðeceased]

ay the account sharing part is a problem unfortunately.. If you are multiboxing then they require you to have the accounts in your name. but the reason they gave is completely unfounded imo.

[Rimmel]

There was no account sharing. I played my four mages with one computer with the use of Keyclone, and my Warrior on another computer. The process was really moving my mages, then turning to my other computer and fighting mobs with my warrior while occasionally reaching over and hitting a button or two on my mages keyboard. The two computers aren't linked together, so I don't think that was the problem.

Yeah, naming myself Micky Mouse isn't very funny now that I look at it. (I then had to name my girlfriends account Minnie Mouse, so we could get her lvl 10 Hunter off my account and on to hers so we could quest together) but that's my fault, and one of the reasons I'm not too upset. I hated playing a warrior anyways :P

[Majestic_Clown]

There was no account sharing. I played my four mages with one computer with the use of Keyclone, and my Warrior on another computer. The process was really moving my mages, then turning to my other computer and fighting mobs with my warrior while occasionally reaching over and hitting a button or two on my mages keyboard. The two computers aren't linked together, so I don't think that was the problem.

Yeah, naming myself Micky Mouse isn't very funny now that I look at it. (I then had to name my girlfriends account Minnie Mouse, so we could get her lvl 10 Hunter off my account and on to hers so we could quest together) but that's my fault, and one of the reasons I'm not too upset. I hated playing a warrior anyways :PSo yes you did break the Terms, no sympathy really, PCT to acc to acc where your not the owner is breaking the Terms of use, also using fake details to register your account is also a break of ToS/ToU & EULA. Account Administration can not help you since you used fake details.

Good Job! :thumbsup:

[Rimmel]

Your post felt rather rude, however that's not Why I was banned. I was told by a GM I was violating the games global cooldown when using third party programs. The name situation only effects my ability to get the account restored if there were a problem like if my account were to get 'hacked.' Either way, lets not make this out to be the problem being the names of my main and my girlfriends'.

[Ðeceased]

so let me just get this straight..

ur 64 warrior - main - under the name mickey mouse
mage - clone - micky mouse
mage - clone - micky mouse
mage - clone - micky mouse
mage - clone - micky mouse

and then ur gf's account under mini mouse

u were boxing your 4 mages with keyclone and had ur warrior running them through.. not connected..
was ur gf's account active at the time?

[Majestic_Clown]

Well im being blunt as:

1) GMs do not disclose the reason of the an account closure and if you contacted a GM from another account they will not discuss issues in relation to another account, only the Account Administration Department Does via email.

2) Still breaking the EULA/ToS & ToU for fake name and for PCT between account of separate ownership. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules which ever way you look at it.

Either way.. screen shot or it never happened.

[Rimmel]

Warrior - Mickey Mouse
Mage - William Campbell (lets pretend thats my real name. I really did use my real name for Blizzard.)
Mage - William Campbell
Mage - William Campbell
Mage - William Campbell
Hunter - Minnie Mouse

Computer 1 on Router 1 was my warrior
Computer 2 on Router 1 was my girlfriends' hunter
Computer 3 on its own separate internet connection was the four mages with keyclone.

All had the same phone number, and address.

[Ðeceased]

2)breaking the EULA/ToS & ToU for fake name and for PCT between account of separate ownership. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules which ever way you look at it.
QFT

asking for a screeny is a little harsh :P they tend to give you just a few seconds before the ban (or so i've read).
pity about the fake names tho

[Rimmel]

Yeah, it was my fault though. I underestimated the importance of using real personal information when signing up to play a widely played MMORPG.

[Ðeceased]

hmm it's a little bizarre to say the least. assuming for a second they knew u were only 4 boxing ur mages...

and for arguments sake, lets pretend ur parents had a great sense of humour and by pure coincidence you were called micky and ur gf minnie mouse and your brother had his name changed to william campbell.
mickey mouse was playing on computer 1, minnie mouse was on computer 2, and william campbell was on computer 3.. there is no way for them to know that there aren't rly 3 ppl playing it.. hence their argument breaks down.. unless there is something I'm missing.. pls do correct me.. I'm a little high :P

[Lorune]

Will be really intresting to see what they give as reason in there mail, cause the one you posted seems very well vague ? :s

[Notes]

You got banned because of the wrong names indeed. They check this after a report.
I had this too. I fixed this before it got a problem by contacting a GM myself, telling him I got an error when setting up trial accounts to test multuiboxing, so I had to fill in another name, after wich I made the trail accounts live acounts. The GM told me this might be a problem so I asked what I should do.

It got fixed by sending in a picture of my ID card together with a bill on wich WoW was visible from my cradit card. That's all I did and a few hours later they fixed my name from like Hillary Clinton to my real name ...

You might want to try something like this too.. I did not have to lie in my case because it was all facts, maybe you can lie a little ?

Good luck mate! ;(

PS: cba to run a search now but is there somewhere in a beginners sticky the tip to ONLY roll with accounts that are on the same name ? If not, should be added ;)

[Ðeceased]

You got banned because of the wrong names indeed. They check this after a report.
I had this too. I fixed this before it got a problem by contacting a GM myself, telling him I got an error when setting up trial accounts to test multuiboxing, so I had to fill in another name, after wich I made the trail accounts live acounts. The GM told me this might be a problem so I asked what I should do.

It got fixed by sending in a picture of my ID card together with a bill on wich WoW was visible from my cradit card. That's all I did and a few hours later they fixed my name from like Hillary Clinton to my real name ...

You might want to try something like this too.. I did not have to lie in my case because it was all facts, maybe you can lie a little ?

Good luck mate! ;(

PS: cba to run a search now but is there somewhere in a beginners sticky the tip to ONLY roll with accounts that are on the same name ? If not, should be added ;)sounds like an idea, u just have to hope they are forgiving. as for the transfer of the hunter.. that could throw up some more issues tbh. and I would suggest you don't lie.

[Ðeceased]

PS: For anyone worried about being banned quite abruptly, even if you have done everything by the book, I would suggest you contact a GM and tell them you are Mboxing. This way in the unlikely event of them not knowing about it, you at least pre-empt any possible reports etc and lessen the attention you will receive from them in turn. Your name will be on their list of mboxers and they will be able to see if any action is to be taken regarding other peoples complaints.

Edit: I also told them I was using keyclone, and asked, that in the unlikely event of this program being placed on their list of illegal software, I be contacted prior to being banned so that I would know not to use it.


oh dear lord my spelling :S

[Rimmel]

Yeah, I just got a Private Message from someone asking if I got banned BECAUSE of Keyclone. I'm almost 100% positive it was NOT keyclone. Trust me, if it was, way more people would have been banned. Anyways, I e-mailed them and I'll see what happens. Great idea about the name change, from using something silly to changing it to my legit name. However I only used my CC to register, I've been using Game Cards to actually play the game. :(

In the mean time, here's a video of my alliance mages dancing in UC. I found it looking at a horde rogues' pvp video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvR1MYLnoWU

If they are gone, and I am allowed to recreate accounts, I will probably roll with some undead mages. They look sooo much cooler.

[donfran]

Hmm

Do NOT stop bugging them. Keep pestering them /emailing / calling their customer service about the issue until they give a satisfactory reply or re-open your accounts.

As for telling the truth or not... meh. I don't know if Blizzard will be so hardcore to ban you if you got a real reason and such. They're customer service people are human, after all ?

Just keep bugging them! Even after they refuse you the first time. I've known friends banned for breaking the rules/ToS and after repeated bugging got their accounts re-opened months later. They have remained on the straight and narrow since lol.

[zanthor]

Do NOT stop bugging them. Keep pestering them /emailing / calling their customer service about the issue until they give a satisfactory reply or re-open your accounts.

This is absolutely the best advice you can get on the subject. I have a friend who had three accounts banned for RealMoneyTrading and after 2 months of appealing twice a week got his main account back. I had a similar situation with my guilds name being changed from "Band of the Black Hand"... I appealed for 6 months before they mostly fixed it (changed it to "Band of the Black Hand " which screws up sites like wowjutsu :()

[Majestic_Clown]

phoning billing and tech support ias a waste of your time, they can do anything or have any influence.

contact the game security/account admin dept for issues with banned accounts.

[Hotnutz]

I have gotten a 3 day ban on an old account before and they never contacted me in game regarding that issue, it was
just a matter of i went to log on and said something about temporarily suspended or something.

Thats why this sounds weird to me, I mean i guess they could contact you but I doubt they would tell you that you were getting banned for using something etc etc. And usually they would send you an email immediately if you were banned.

Nothing personal but your story means nothing to me till you can show the email.

[Falkor]

1 Possible reason is this: you have serveral accounts all under different names? The blizzard EULA/TOS states you cannot logon to other players accounts its classed as trading accounts.
Could it be you have 3-4accounts not under your same name?

[Notes]

He said he used his girlfiends account, so yeah.

That's what I meant too, it's the problem, I'm 99% sure.

[Otlecs]

I really wish people would read all the information in a thread before posting.

Let's not keep covering the same old ground in these replies. The information about the accounts he used has already been posted:


Warrior - Mickey Mouse
Mage - William Campbell (lets pretend thats my real name. I really did use my real name for Blizzard.)
Mage - William Campbell
Mage - William Campbell
Mage - William Campbell
Hunter - Minnie Mouse

Computer 1 on Router 1 was my warrior
Computer 2 on Router 1 was my girlfriends' hunter
Computer 3 on its own separate internet connection was the four mages with keyclone.

All had the same phone number, and address.



Yes, he has accounts in at least three names (if you include his girlfriend). Yes, he had accounts in ficticious names. That's not guesswork - he's already told us that!

He's also quite clearly said that when he was booted, the GM came up with some shite about using a 3rd party tool to circumvent the GCD, rather than citing the account information as a reason.

All we need to do now is sit back, wait to see the email, and let him tell us how the story ends.

No more guesswork. No more repetitious musings. No more laying in the boot while he's down.

[Xar]

Also, his group originated from 2 different IP addresses I think, link that with the phony names and that's a recipe for problems. Violating the GCD could have meant that because those mages were on different ip's he was activating their GCD's "remotely".

Edit: Good luck with getting your accounts back and your GF's! My wife would kill me if I screwed her account so I never ever log in on it.

[roddo]

his mages were all on the same comp, so he had the same IP's for those.

[Eteocles]

My ex refused to let me use her account for any reason that wasn't purely for her advantage...till I managed to work a deal out shortly before she became my ex, I did her some favor, probably daily quests since her comp couldn't handle 'em and/or she sucked at them(Shartuul especially), and she said I could borrow her lock to plvl my twin shamen a bit...course, I didn't get a chance to use that till the day after she left, and she wasn't playing, but she did log on earlier than usual and found herself in Bloodmyst with my guys at lv20 having just successfully killed the last elite quest on the island...yeah, she wasn't happy =x But I got done what I needed to get done and she DID allow me to without ever saying "The deal is off!" so her problem =x But yeah, I know what you mean firsthand Xar ;p

[Vyndree]

My girlfriends account, lvl 65 Hunter, banned.


Yeah, it was my fault though. I underestimated the importance of using real personal information when signing up to play a widely played MMORPG.


Warrior - Mickey Mouse
Mage - William Campbell (lets pretend thats my real name. I really did use my real name for Blizzard.)
Mage - William Campbell
Mage - William Campbell
Mage - William Campbell
Hunter - Minnie Mouse

I wouldn't be surprised if you were banned for the above, however, it's fishy that the GM told you you were being banned for using 3rd party programs to get past the global cooldown.

By any chance, were you using hardware like the g15 keyboard or the nostromo n52? Both of those can be used to get past the global cooldown.

In any case, be sure to follow up with account admin if the reason is indeed for using 3rd party programs (I hope you used a real e-mail address for those accounts).
If the reason is for account sharing, there's not much you can do. You might be able to get the accounts where your real name is listed back, but it would be a icky process. This would be the reason why we're adamant here on the forums that you be the original owner, and be LISTED as the original owner, on all of your accounts.

[Ðeceased]

By any chance, were you using hardware like the g15 keyboard or the nostromo n52? Both of those can be used to get past the global cooldown.
oh fudgesticks, I forgot about that. I remember when i first used my g15 and everyone kept saying, "it's illegal isn't it?"
If you are using one be sure never..ever to put a delay into your macro keys. fast track to ban methinks

[Sanctume]

1-800-59-BLIZZARD.
You don't need to press any menu option.
It takes 15 minutes waiting for a real person to answer.
Ask the person wtf is up.
Ask the person to "escalate" the issue to his/her supervisor.
Ask the supervisor wtf, and what you want to happen.

[Catamer]

maybe they decide to put their foot down on sync casting, one button = 5 attacks. doesn't matter if it's keyclone or hardware. we might get past this with either the keyclone round robin on all buttons, or cast sequences that only let a single toon fire at any one button press. it probably doesn't it matters if that is what they have decided to crack down on. it would be nice if they let us all move to multiboxing servers and let us all kill each other there and leave the cry babies alone. I kind of tried of the cry babies myself.

[Stabface]

itt: speculation

Well, it sucks that you got banned.
Hopefully it's just a screwup and you'll get some of your accounts back... but expect to go through a LOT of hoops and probably lose some of them due to the contact info problem.

Good luck :(

[Vyndree]

maybe they decide to put their foot down on sync casting, one button = 5 attacks. doesn't matter if it's keyclone or hardware. we might get past this with either the keyclone round robin on all buttons, or cast sequences that only let a single toon fire at any one button press. it probably doesn't it matters if that is what they have decided to crack down on. it would be nice if they let us all move to multiboxing servers and let us all kill each other there and leave the cry babies alone. I kind of tried of the cry babies myself.

Well, at least we got a solid response on whether or not "sync casting" is against the rules.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&sid=1&pageNo=1

Multiboxing is the art of playing multiple characters on multiple accounts simultaneously. Multiboxing is typically played via a single user interface (i.e. one keyboard) connected to multiple instances of the game (on one or more computers) and are controlled via actions available in the in-game /macro feature.



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Q u o t e:

Semantics issue #1:
Is using one keyboard to send signals to multiple instances of WoW automation? In other words, what is the definition of automation as it applies to WoW?
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Using a keyboard setup like what you're describing? Not automation.
Setting up a macro with said keyboard that would, for example, automatically press Fireball each time it was available? Automation.


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Q u o t e:
Semantics issue #2:
Software (such as Keyclone, Octopus, etc) to emulate a keyboard multiboxing solution is, by nature, "3rd party". Is "3rd party software" synonymous with "bot" or "automation"? Are all types of "3rd party software" bannable?
Likewise, hardware, by nature, is "3rd party". What kinds (or uses) of 3rd party hardware are bannable?
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Is it sending an identical signal to all client windows or switching between them to send commands? Not automation.
Is it playing the game for you, or rather, for one of your client windows? Automation.
All hardware is considered neutral as long as its commands and features are not being used to automate gameplay.


Currently, we're well within our rights to play with our keypresses sync'ed across multiple instances of WoW, whether it be via software or hardware.

Repeated for clarity... "Is it sending an identical signal to all client windows or switching between them to send commands? Not automation. "

[Suvega]

Question,

Did you use the keyclone software on your main comptuer at all. Was at any time you pressing one key on your GF's account, and it hitting your GF's toon, and the 4 mages?

This woudl be account sharing, easily detectable and an easy ban. You could have IPs all across the world, but if you're doing things at the same time with accounts that all aren't perfectly named the same, Insta ban.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Something smells funny here. I'm getting the feeling there's a critical piece of data missing. Not trying to insinuate anything, probably just a simple miscommunication.

[keyclone]

@Vyndree

an excellent post and response. i am amazed at how exacting the answers were. very nice

definitely should hit your wiki page

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&sid=1&pageNo=1

[Taipan]

@Vyndree

Superb thread you managed to deliver there indeed.

Seeing three different Blues (if not mistaken) jumping in under a supportive and friendly - sometimes even humorously teasing the non-MB crowd- was a refreshing and very pleasant read.

/kudos to you for delivering such an EPIC thread for MBs.

Taipan
PS : wonder if Blizzard will start offering a "Buy FOUR accounts, get ONE free" package one day *whistle* 8)

[Vyndree]

definitely should hit your wiki page

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&sid=1&pageNo=1

Should be on the GM Conversations wiki page already. I added it last night, I believe.

[erinfudge]

The software to get around the GCD comment is what they usually use when you program delays into macros (such as you can do with the G15) so that it casts as soon as the GCD ends by itself. Some also do this with a macro that repeats the keypress for the length of the GCD exactly, so that it will always cast once, as soon as possible, whenever during the GCD you press the button. (ie gcdgcdgcdgcdCASTWORKSgcdgcd and the cast can be anywhere in that snippet - it will go off ASAP and the gcd eats the rest)
It's not so much having no GCD, as being able to cast and let it wait the GCD out itself, without timing your key presses.
If that's what they meant then it is something easy to do, does qualify as botting/automation in many blue answers, and isn't doing anything that the server would prevent itself.

[Anahka]

FYI: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5284849690&sid=1&pageNo=1

[erinfudge]

FYI: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5284849690&sid=1&pageNo=1

Ya... and that's most everyone supporting multiboxing, except the original poster.
If you post in that forum with a toon name & realm (NOT any account info), the blue's will make sure the ban emails get resent. They often clarify stuff too, if you really think this was a keyclone issue.

[Diamndzngunz]

For some reason I enjoy reading this thread.

[Mac]

ok, i need to get some clarification on this so I don't get screwed up here myself. Should I call blizz and ask all this?

I have 6 accounts. I know, I'm kinda crazy but I can afford it... ( I remember being at an event with "Mr. T" one time, some guy yelled out of the crowd " Hey Mr. T, why you wear all that Jewelry around yo neck!?!?" Mr. T said in his gruff menacing voice, " Cause I can affode it!!!" , same deal :) )

I have one account that has been my main account for a long time, in my real name, that I play all the time, my main toon, nobody has the pw but me.

I opened another account, put it in my gf/fiance's name in the account info page, its her main, but I have access to it because I'm paying for it. Sometimes I log in to check stuff for her, I've never had a reason to play it for her although I might someday want to for some reason. Sometimes I would log in and look at her quest log to verify something I had a question about, or how her buttons were set, whatever. But its in her name, its just being billed to me. We live in different locations.

I have 4 more accounts I opened up for multi-boxing. They are all in my name on the account page. I moved my rogue from my main account to one of these accounts and gave that login info to her so she could log in and let her son play with us when I'm not multi-boxing with my other toon on that account. She does not give him the login, she regulates his time on the pc and the game this way. I am the only one that logs into the other three accounts to use with my multi-box team.

Now this has got me worried and wondering..

Is my account that is in her name at risk because we both log into it?
If I change the account info on her account back to my name, and she logs into it is it at risk?
Should I not let her log into my multi-box/rogue account that is in my name, is that at risk? If we wanted her son to be able to play at the same time as us, does he need his own account in his name?
Is my main account at risk because of these things?

[Anahka]

FYI: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5284849690&sid=1&pageNo=1

Ya... and that's most everyone supporting multiboxing, except the original poster.
If you post in that forum with a toon name & realm (NOT any account info), the blue's will make sure the ban emails get resent. They often clarify stuff too, if you really think this was a keyclone issue.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, but of course I don't think this was because of Keyclone.

[Mijn]

Yes they are, if theres a person playing the account that isn't the actual owner the account can be banned.

[erinfudge]

ok, i need to get some clarification on this so I don't get screwed up here myself. Should I call blizz and ask all this?

I have 6 accounts. I know, I'm kinda crazy but I can afford it... ( I remember being at an event with "Mr. T" one time, some guy yelled out of the crowd " Hey Mr. T, why you wear all that Jewelry around yo neck!?!?" Mr. T said in his gruff menacing voice, " Cause I can affode it!!!" , same deal :) )

I have one account that has been my main account for a long time, in my real name, that I play all the time, my main toon, nobody has the pw but me.

I opened another account, put it in my gf/fiance's name in the account info page, its her main, but I have access to it because I'm paying for it. Sometimes I log in to check stuff for her, I've never had a reason to play it for her although I might someday want to for some reason. Sometimes I would log in and look at her quest log to verify something I had a question about, or how her buttons were set, whatever. But its in her name, its just being billed to me. We live in different locations.

I have 4 more accounts I opened up for multi-boxing. They are all in my name on the account page. I moved my rogue from my main account to one of these accounts and gave that login info to her so she could log in and let her son play with us when I'm not multi-boxing with my other toon on that account. She does not give him the login, she regulates his time on the pc and the game this way. I am the only one that logs into the other three accounts to use with my multi-box team.

Now this has got me worried and wondering..

Is my account that is in her name at risk because we both log into it?
If I change the account info on her account back to my name, and she logs into it is it at risk?
Should I not let her log into my multi-box/rogue account that is in my name, is that at risk? If we wanted her son to be able to play at the same time as us, does he need his own account in his name?
Is my main account at risk because of these things?

The only people that can ever log into an account (without a ban risk) are the registered subscriber (name on the account - NOT THE BILLING INFO) and one minor child of that person.
So, you can pay for your g/f's account - you can't play it without risking a ban on her account and yours. Her son cannot play your account (unless you've adopted him or something), but he can play hers.
Yes, your main account could be risked by the account sharing. It's one of the few offenses they do say they may ban the accounts that were shared AND those of the person sharing them (though it is probably unlikely). But, if you want to know if it is a risk, yes it's a risk. http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21506 That lists the penalties - read the last two under account sharing.

[erinfudge]

FYI: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5284849690&sid=1&pageNo=1

Ya... and that's most everyone supporting multiboxing, except the original poster.
If you post in that forum with a toon name & realm (NOT any account info), the blue's will make sure the ban emails get resent. They often clarify stuff too, if you really think this was a keyclone issue.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, but of course I don't think this was because of Keyclone.

No, I don't either. I was trying to say that despite the thread's original poster, most there are rather supportive of multiboxers and he is not likely to get flamed if the OP of this thread wants to actually ask a blue for help. He mentioned not having the emails about the bans, and he should by now. They could resend them to him. Also, if the circumstances ARE as the first post mentioned, then they'd likely help clarify that it was not keyclone & tell him where to go. It'd be better for everyone if it were cleared up. This is just supporting the flamers as is.

[Eteocles]

@Mac:

1.: Mr. T affords it with those NIGHT ELF MOHAWK commercials ;)
2.: GF's acct: If you only log on it for minor checkups and not actually playing her acct SHOULD be in the clear.
3.: Son borrowing: Possibly an issue. It's HER kid(technically and at the moment wink wink ;) ) and not her acct; if he gets in trouble and they find it's not you, you're fucked. His IP and probably mannerisms would vary greatly from yours.
4.: You cannot change the First/Last name or Address of an account once it is entered; it is permanent unless someone at Blizzard manually goes in and changes it and I'm not sure if they do that unless you provide the secret question/answer and the original CDkey of the account as mentioned in another thread(if this is true I'm going to fix my main account with this asap, I'll have to get the question answer from the previous owner who gave it to me 3 frickin years ago, and I already have the cdkey)

[kibbles]

FYI: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5284849690&sid=1&pageNo=1

Ya... and that's most everyone supporting multiboxing, except the original poster.
If you post in that forum with a toon name & realm (NOT any account info), the blue's will make sure the ban emails get resent. They often clarify stuff too, if you really think this was a keyclone issue.Thank god:

"This is me not automating the "Lock" thread function."

Syndri stopped that thread from going on and on and on and on ...

[Vyndree]

FYI: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5284849690&sid=1&pageNo=1

Ya... and that's most everyone supporting multiboxing, except the original poster.
If you post in that forum with a toon name & realm (NOT any account info), the blue's will make sure the ban emails get resent. They often clarify stuff too, if you really think this was a keyclone issue.Thank god:

"This is me not automating the "Lock" thread function."

Syndri stopped that thread from going on and on and on and on ...

I'm glad. That particular OP needed a good spanking. Though I see from http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5286959849&postId=52356078609 he hasn't quite learned his lesson yet.

I'm still waiting for him to post in my thread ('http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&sid=1').

[Stabface]

I know of exactly 1 person who has successfully changed the name on their account from 1 real name to another -- they had their name legally changed, and had to provide to Blizzard notarized copies of multiple pieces of information. Including proof of the legal name change (the form from the gov't), picture ID, credit card billing statement, secret question/answer, etc. And even then it took 3-4 months, iirc.

It is possible to get your name changed if you have typos or a fake name but you have to go through the same hoops to prove you are the original account owner. Just saying "well I used John Brown as my char name yet my real name is Jack Black" won't cut it.

It's not something that is easy, and definitely not something Blizzard will do just because you have the cd key and secret question/answer.

[erinfudge]

@Mac:
4.: You cannot change the First/Last name or Address of an account once it is entered; it is permanent unless someone at Blizzard manually goes in and changes it and I'm not sure if they do that unless you provide the secret question/answer and the original CDkey of the account as mentioned in another thread(if this is true I'm going to fix my main account with this asap, I'll have to get the question answer from the previous owner who gave it to me 3 frickin years ago, and I already have the cdkey)

Generally they only fix obvious typos, legal name changes, and a child user turning 18 and wanting the account moved to their name. Usually these changes involve legal documentation, IDs, notarization, etc.
If it was actually someone else's, it's highly unlikely.

[mlwhitt]

I love this posting by a BLUE:

Q u o t e:
One of the threads regarding this issue in which two multi-boxers who each run 5 characters at a time chimed in had them making plans to 2-man (with 10 characters between them) a 10man raid.

While I can see the potential issues inherent, surely you, Blizzard and everyone else can see the huge advantages in this as well.

Otherwise the question of multi-boxing wouldn't even be an issue... ever.

I, and I think the same is true for a lot of us here, would like to shake the hands of two people with the ability to run Karazhan multiboxing.

I don't think it trivializes any accomplishments--it's an amazing accomplishment in itself. [ Post edited by Belfaire ]

[Skuggomann]

I acsidendly ignored teh Global CD at one point, it was an addon called AutoBuff.

It was rather cool actualy, it took the GCD off lifetap and bound it to the scroll button, so wen i scrooled i got insta 100% mana :S but then i deleted it of course :)
and wen i think of it the whole dam addon was rather on the gray side XD aouto buffed me :P well not literaly but wen i pressed enny key on my keybord and was not buffed id buff myself.


... still rather special ban, hope you can reverse it.

[tooboxinit]

My thoughts on reading this were that blizzard, or represenatives there of have decided that although Dual Boxing is ok, it is a violation of the global cooldown to have 5 mages blast 5 fireballs at a time when a PLAYER was meant to have to wait for the global cooldown (prolly like half a second in this case) before they cast a second dps spell like that. Now even though you didnt do this through hacks on multiple accounts you DID cast way more spells at a time then one player was meant to cast. This is just my speculation on what one or multiple reps of blizz may be thinking and prolly is wrong however if this was a new way of them thinking it would be a easy way for them to still allow multiboxing while dealing with the whiners who dont like taking 5 simoultanious fireballs to the head in BG's. for example, its ok to run around with a warrior and a priest and have the priest heal the warrior and help dps but its not ok to have 5 priests cast smite on the same target at the same time since ONE PLAYER is doing way too many actions IN A ONE SECOND TIME(what the global cooldown is basically to prevent).........again this is only my speculation on what may have gone through that GMS head, it makes sense to me that they would implement something like this eventually. I only share this because on the off chance that im on to something here, i hope no one else gets their accounts screwed before we find out about some new BS policy that wasnt made common knowlege.....(please dont flame me, i know this sounds 'out there')

[thinus]

I don't think so, Tooboxinit.

Getting around the GCD means that spells were probably cast within a split second of the GCD resetting or that spells were cast before the GCD reset.

To be completely honest, I don't think we are being told everything.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Let us not speculate on why this happened. You're operating on zero information here without the email the OP is waiting on. Furthermore, they probably won't even discuss why the account was banned as is their custom where purported "exploits" are concerned, outside of a line or two of vague text in a form mail.

[Vyndree]

My thoughts on reading this were that blizzard, or represenatives there of have decided that although Dual Boxing is ok, it is a violation of the global cooldown to have 5 mages blast 5 fireballs at a time when a PLAYER was meant to have to wait for the global cooldown (prolly like half a second in this case) before they cast a second dps spell like that. Now even though you didnt do this through hacks on multiple accounts you DID cast way more spells at a time then one player was meant to cast. This is just my speculation on what one or multiple reps of blizz may be thinking and prolly is wrong however if this was a new way of them thinking it would be a easy way for them to still allow multiboxing while dealing with the whiners who dont like taking 5 simoultanious fireballs to the head in BG's. for example, its ok to run around with a warrior and a priest and have the priest heal the warrior and help dps but its not ok to have 5 priests cast smite on the same target at the same time since ONE PLAYER is doing way too many actions IN A ONE SECOND TIME(what the global cooldown is basically to prevent).........again this is only my speculation on what may have gone through that GMS head, it makes sense to me that they would implement something like this eventually. I only share this because on the off chance that im on to something here, i hope no one else gets their accounts screwed before we find out about some new BS policy that wasnt made common knowlege.....(please dont flame me, i know this sounds 'out there')

In fact...


Using a keyboard setup like what you're describing? Not automation.
Setting up a macro with said keyboard that would, for example, automatically press Fireball each time it was available? Automation.

Therefore, a macro that assists a character and casts a fireball is OK.

A macro that assist a character, casts fireball, waits 1.5 seconds (global cooldown), casts fireball, waits 1.5 seconds (global cooldown), casts fireball, etc. would be automation.


In the first example, you must press a key every time you want to cast fireball. In the second example, you can press a key, walk away from your computer and go make a sandwich, come back and the mob will be dead. Therefore, automation.


Furthermore...

Is it sending an identical signal to all client windows or switching between them to send commands? Not automation.
Is it playing the game for you, or rather, for one of your client windows? Automation.
All hardware is considered neutral as long as its commands and features are not being used to automate gameplay.

Sending a macro that presses the "assist <so-and-so>, cast fireball" button on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc... computers is OK.

Sending a macro that presses the "assist <so-and-so>, cast fireball, wait for GCD, and cast fireball again, repeat" on any of your computers is automation.



In the first case, you must press a key every time you want your characters to make an action. In the second case, you can walk away from your computer(s) and make a sandwich and come back and the mob will be dead. Automation.



You're welcome to post your question on this thread ('http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&sid=1&pageNo=1') if you're curious, though. I'm sure one of the 3 blues reading the thread will answer appropriately if more clarity is needed.

[Anozireth]

I tend to spam the hell out of my nuke button when I'm playing a single character, let alone when multiboxing and I know that they aren't quite perfectly in sync. Manually spamming the button certainly does not get around the GCD, but I'm sure I'm within 200ms of it at most. I would think it would be difficult differentiate this from a cleverly programmed automated system. I know there is a way for applications to differentiate between keystokes raised by hardware and by software, but of course all the key presses keyclone sends to the clones are raised by software and those are considered legit, so that's not really a safe way to tell a bot.

Perhaps going into too much detail on how they detect bots isn't a good idea anyway, since it may give those with nefarious motives information to use to go undetected.

[thinus]

I tend to spam the hell out of my nuke button when I'm playing a single character, let alone when multiboxing and I know that they aren't quite perfectly in sync. Manually spamming the button certainly does not get around the GCD, but I'm sure I'm within 200ms of it at most. I would think it would be difficult differentiate this from a cleverly programmed automated system. I know there is a way for applications to differentiate between keystokes raised by hardware and by software, but of course all the key presses keyclone sends to the clones are raised by software and those are considered legit, so that's not really a safe way to tell a bot.

Perhaps going into too much detail on how they detect bots isn't a good idea anyway, since it may give those with nefarious motives information to use to go undetected.

I'm not sure how clever the automation tools are but I would assume that Warden has some basic pattern matching. If your WoW recieves a sequence of keypresses and the interval between keypresses is almost exactly the same to within a few milliseconds you can probably assume some kind of automation tool is at work.

One concern I have is the following which I first noticed when using AHK:

What happens when you hold down a key?

Now with AHK you can script it 2 ways. One way is to keep sending KeyDown, KeyUP messages, in other words, a keypress is spammed. The other way to script it in AHK is that a KeyDown message is sent and then it waits for the key to be released before a KeyUp message is sent.

I use the 1st way to handle my hotkeys and the 2nd to handle movement, I hold the key down for movement but never for my hotkeys.

Now the first way of spamming a key to a WoW session when the key is being held down can be seen as an exploit to get around the GCD. You will probably send 100s of keypresses to WoW in the 1.5s of the GCD.

I am not sure how KeyClone works but if you are able to configure it in such a way that if you hold a key down it spams the wow sessions with the keypress then I can see how Blizzard can classify it as GCD exploit.

OTOH: The GM may just have been clueless.

[Chorizotarian]

I tend to spam the hell out of my nuke button when I'm playing a single character, let alone when multiboxing and I know that they aren't quite perfectly in sync. Manually spamming the button certainly does not get around the GCD, but I'm sure I'm within 200ms of it at most. I would think it would be difficult differentiate this from a cleverly programmed automated system.

Your timing is a lot more random than an automated system would be, unless it was programmed to include a random delay. It would be pretty easy for Blizzard to monitor the timing of your keystrokes on the client side and buts you for botting if they don't look random enough. In fact, I'd be shocked if they're not doing this.

[Anozireth]

I think it will suffice to say it would be very simple to program a bot so that it doesn't produce keystrokes at exact intervals. I think I will leave it at that to avoid going too far into questionable territory.

[kllrwlf]

Here's what it comes down to... and it's pretty simple.

Do not use multiple accounts with different names. (Made-up names or not).
Solution: Be the original owners of ALL of your account... not your girlfriend, fiance, wife, husband, cartoon characters...have all the contact info the same across all the accounts.

Anything that adds a delay into a macro is bannable. (using G15, Nostromo n52 software so that you cast a fireball then wait 1.5 seconds then casting another one)
Solution: Only use macros within WoW, do not create macros using a 3rd party software.
Use those extra keys for shift-1, alt-1 instead.

[Silly Gooooose]

I use autobuff on all of may mains, one is a warlock, and I've never had it ignor GCD, id have to guess it was something else doing it :P

[The IT Monkey]

I'm still waiting to find out more about what happened. Would like to know their reasoning.

I think, as a multiboxer, you're going to have to be above reproach. Meaning you are going to get a LOT of attention and while I know MOST players have shared an account at one point or another, and some do it on a REGULAR basis... Multiboxers can't get away with that.

Why?

Because we ARE going to get /reported at some point. It WILL happen (hasn't happened to me yet) and whether the reporting was justified or not... the GM will look at all your shi.... stuff. If they see something amiss they probably HAVE to do something about it.

To the OP, I noticed you began your MBing career using AHK... did you still have that running? Where you using it for anything?

[Vyndree]

To the OP, I noticed you began your MBing career using AHK... did you still have that running? Where you using it for anything?

Ooh, good catch there.

If you were using any delays via AHK, these sort of things do take time to investigate, so you could possibly be getting a ban for something that happened some time ago.

[Kaynin]

By any chance, were you using hardware like the g15 keyboard or the nostromo n52? Both of those can be used to get past the global cooldown.


Oh my... I use the g15 keyboard. I don't use the macro keys function tho (some program that initiates a series of keypresses with one keypress which is technically botting, I avoid that! But is that what you're refering too? I am however using the secundary F1 - F12 and 1-6 keys that are on the left side.. I won't get in trouble for that, right? >.>

And it shouldn't be possible at all to get past the GCD as it is server side.

[Otlecs]

I am however using the secundary F1 - F12 and 1-6 keys that are on the left side.. I won't get in trouble for that, right?

Correct. So long as you're using them to either generate "/cast <blah>" or generate otherwise hard to use key combinations (which is how I use mine), you're in safe territory.

[d0z3rr]

I'm surprised Blizzard still has not sent this guy an email.

[Silly Gooooose]

no email is really odd, either he regristered the accounts to same fake email also, or hes got a real problem. I would be calling blizz's support line asap.

[Rimmel]

I still haven't received an e-mail, I sent one, but all I got was an automated reply saying it has been received.


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Also, I never played my girlfriends character. Sometimes she would run my mages through SM while she was on her character on her computer, and I was on my mages on my own computer. I do use a g15 keyboard, . As for the g15 keyboard, I only used three of the extra buttons, which was "Follow" "FollowTank" and "Formation" Follow would make all follow the main mage. FollowTank would make all follow my Warrior, and Formation would make my toons follow each other in order. Computer 1 and Computer two were both playing WoW with Linux (Using WINE), the third with all the toons were using Windows XP.

(Edit: all three computers have a g15 keyboard)

[erinfudge]

Use the retrieve account name function on the main site to check that the registered emails are correct: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/loginsupport/account-name.html
That'll automatically send an email, assuming the email you enter is registered to at least one of the accounts.
If you don't get that, you have a problem with the email. If it gives no error on the page, then something's probably filtering it (happens a lot with comcast and yahoo for some reason). If it gives an error, you're checking the wrong email.
If the email needs to be changed, you'll have to call billing. Account admin will only send you a message that they won't talk to an unregistered email if the email you sent from isn't the registered one (the message received thing is automatic and doesn't mean that you sent from the right email).

On your gf's account... well you might not have played it, but by transferring to it you were claiming that it was yours and subject to a ban if it was not. Last name is simply all the computer checks - the rule is only transfers between your own accounts (ie Bob Smith registers one as Bob and one as Bobby and the computer doesn't care, and it's within the rules.... Bob & Sue Smith transfer and the computer doesn't notice, but if anyone looks, the rules are against it and both may be banned - in theory). However... it again doesn't really fit what the GM said. Is there any software that might be installed on her computer as well? Any game optimizers or such (many of those have functions that can be used as speed hacks and WILL trigger Warden)?

However, they usually go about problems with the registered names in a slightly different way. It doesn't honestly sound like this is the problem (though it may prevent you from retrieving the misnamed accounts even if they do unban them and it IS a bannable offense waiting to be caught). Unfortunately if the G15 or autohotkey ever did cross the line, even temporarily or by mistake - it might have been only for a day and took them a while to process it all - they aren't going to tell you which. It would simply say 3rd party software/ automation ban.

[DarkslayrX]

Might be worth noting, Blizzard does NOT have to give a reason for banning an account. I pulled this from the TOS:

Blizzard’s Absolute Right to Suspend, Terminate and/or Delete the Account.

BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE THE ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME WITH ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this Terms of Use or the EULA.

[zanthor]

As far as bypassing the GCD - I spam arcane explosion, arcane missiles, pretty much any of the dps keys I have on my mages/priests like I'm having a siezure... I'd be curious to see how blizzard differentiated this from a macro set to repeat every 25ms since the time between the server getting this would be skewed by latency...

That said, I'm a firm believer that we don't see the full story here on the ban, as I read through this we went from a simple setup of 5 boxing with mixed account ownership to 5 boxing with mixed account ownership using scripting software in the past and currently running on non-supported OS configurations... something which blizzard has banned for in the past (and reconsidered after they did)...

[d0z3rr]

Rimmel have you tried calling the support line? I once ebayed an account (which I do not do anymore, nor do I condone), a few months later the original owner took (stole) it back. I called the support line and tried my hardest to get it back, but couldn't. Either way the people on the phone were pretty darn helpful. The whole time I had to pretend I was the real owner. I'd try calling them, I'm sure they can help you. I've dealt with them a few times, and they are nice.

I too have 4 accounts with one account as a different name. Back in my ebay hayday I was buying and selling accounts (which I do not do anymore, nor do I condone) cuz I was bored. I wound up keeping two accounts. The aforementioned one was stolen back and I lost about $500. I still have the second one which I've been multiboxing with 3 other accounts without issues.

I'm sure it's a ticking timebomb to being banned, but whatever. I figure if I eventually get banned it will free about another $60/month, and will allow me to play other games again! I also am tempted to triple box Eve Online.

Until then I'll keep playing.

[Vyndree]

Rimmel have you tried calling the support line? I once ebayed an account, a few months later the original owner took (stole) it back. I called the support line and tried my hardest to get it back, but couldn't. Either way the people on the phone were pretty darn helpful. The whole time I had to pretend I was the real owner. I'd try calling them, I'm sure they can help you. I've dealt with them a few times, and they are nice.

/facepalm


Don't give the forum trolls any more nefarious accusations for the multiboxing community. Keep in mind our forum rules. ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=1840')

[d0z3rr]

Rimmel have you tried calling the support line? I once ebayed an account, a few months later the original owner took (stole) it back. I called the support line and tried my hardest to get it back, but couldn't. Either way the people on the phone were pretty darn helpful. The whole time I had to pretend I was the real owner. I'd try calling them, I'm sure they can help you. I've dealt with them a few times, and they are nice.

/facepalm


Don't give the forum trolls any more nefarious accusations for the multiboxing community. Keep in mind our forum rules. ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=1840')Fixed.

[Skuggomann]

I use autobuff on all of may mains, one is a warlock, and I've never had it ignor GCD, id have to guess it was something else doing it :P

Well it was som sort of buff addon XD

still it was rather werd, if youd acsidently stroke the scroll youd loose abotu 70% of your hp XD

[Vyndree]

Fixed.

Many thanks. Keep in mind from a few "nice" threads on the official WoW forums that anything we say here can and does get read by people who would LOVE to see multiboxing disappear and will misquote ANYTHING we say in order to "convince" blizzard that we, as a community, are horrible cheating TOU-breaking individuals.

It's always best to be 100% clear thanks to our lovely forum troll lurkers.

[mlwhitt]

V is right as usual. Right now the QQ'rs on the official forums have decided to make MBing the QQ of the month. In the past week or two I have seen ten times the number of "OMG MB = HAX" threads on Blizzards forums. And a lot of those include postings where some crybaby misquotes those that post to this site.

All it took was one "my account was banned" thread on here to add fuel to the "see they are all botters" on the official forums.

The great thing about this site is it is completely dedicated to playing by the book and keeping completely within the limitations of the EULA and TOU. Postings about being banned or discussions on such when the case is clearly due to something other than the fact that it was a multiboxer that got banned really aren't in the best interest of this community.

Just because someone with Red Hair gets banned from WoW doesn't mean that all Red Heads are botters, but to the QQers they feel that they can twist it so it would seem the case. To them we are the red headed step children. By the way I am red headed so I can make fun of other read heads, >wink<

[The IT Monkey]

By the way I am red headed so I can make fun of other read heads, >wink<If that sketch is of you in your avatar... you must be red headed because your scalp got a sunburn.

BTW I am bald so can make fun of other baldies. >wink<

[mlwhitt]

By the way I am red headed so I can make fun of other read heads, >wink<If that sketch is of you in your avatar... you must be red headed because your scalp got a sunburn.

BTW I am bald so can make fun of other baldies. >wink<

Technically I am bald too, but what little hair I do have is red, so does that mean I also can make fun of both red heads and baldies?

[d0z3rr]

Fixed.

Many thanks. Keep in mind from a few "nice" threads on the official WoW forums that anything we say here can and does get read by people who would LOVE to see multiboxing disappear and will misquote ANYTHING we say in order to "convince" blizzard that we, as a community, are horrible cheating TOU-breaking individuals.

It's always best to be 100% clear thanks to our lovely forum troll lurkers.Yeah, sounds like we need to make this forum a little bit more exclusive. Perhaps make the registration process a bit more restrictive. I'm not sure if it's enabled already, but disallow anonymous viewing.

[Vyndree]

Yeah, sounds like we need to make this forum a little bit more exclusive. Perhaps make the registration process a bit more restrictive. I'm not sure if it's enabled already, but disallow anonymous viewing.

It's a double edged sword. They quote our community forums without directly linking the post in question. When we multiboxers confront them and show the community the entire thread, it's very easy for us to prove the thread was deliberately mis-quoted.

Public forums are both a bane and a boon.

[The IT Monkey]

By the way I am red headed so I can make fun of other read heads, >wink<If that sketch is of you in your avatar... you must be red headed because your scalp got a sunburn.

BTW I am bald so can make fun of other baldies. >wink<

Technically I am bald too, but what little hair I do have is red, so does that mean I also can make fun of both red heads and baldies?Yes you can... but I would get those quips in while the getting is good. Once you loose all visible red hair you loose the right to make fun of red heads... and I don't think you want to walk around with the hair from down under showing just to make fun of red heads.

[zanthor]

I'm a big fan of glass house...

We live in a glass house, we police people who admit they have in the past violated the ToS willingly for discussing it and keep on top of policing any posts that promote it and it's all good.

Everyone knows someone who's e-bayed an account, or taken one over for a friend, it happens and it's by far not limited to multiboxers. In fact I'd wager that due to the number of boxers who value their accounts multiboxers are LESS likely to cheat than anyone else - we have more to lose (4x the effort on average.)

[d0z3rr]

I'm a big fan of glass house...

We live in a glass house, we police people who admit they have in the past violated the ToS willingly for discussing it and keep on top of policing any posts that promote it and it's all good.

Everyone knows someone who's e-bayed an account, or taken one over for a friend, it happens and it's by far not limited to multiboxers. In fact I'd wager that due to the number of boxers who value their accounts multiboxers are LESS likely to cheat than anyone else - we have more to lose (4x the effort on average.)If I had thought of multiboxing BEFORE I stupidly ebayed accounts, I would have NEVER ebayed an account. I just had no idea Keyclone existed! But it's no excuse, and I learned my lesson - the hard way.

[The IT Monkey]

Yeah, sounds like we need to make this forum a little bit more exclusive. Perhaps make the registration process a bit more restrictive. I'm not sure if it's enabled already, but disallow anonymous viewing.

It's a double edged sword. They quote our community forums without directly linking the post in question. When we multiboxers confront them and show the community the entire thread, it's very easy for us to prove the thread was deliberately mis-quoted.

Public forums are both a bane and a boon.Anonymous viewing is a bad thing IMO. What we do is above board and legal... doing it in the dark would give people the wrong impression.

Misquotes are easily handled in the manner described by Vyndree. What we as a community need to look out for is posting things in such a way that they CAN be taken wrong. This falls on each of us individually.

[mlwhitt]

Yeah, sounds like we need to make this forum a little bit more exclusive. Perhaps make the registration process a bit more restrictive. I'm not sure if it's enabled already, but disallow anonymous viewing.

It's a double edged sword. They quote our community forums without directly linking the post in question. When we multiboxers confront them and show the community the entire thread, it's very easy for us to prove the thread was deliberately mis-quoted.

Public forums are both a bane and a boon.Anonymous viewing is a bad thing IMO. What we do is above board and legal... doing it in the dark would give people the wrong impression.

Misquotes are easily handled in the manner described by Vyndree. What we as a community need to look out for is posting things in such a way that they CAN be taken wrong. This falls on each of us individually.


I agree with Monkey. It is best off leaving things in the open so people see we are not doing anything wrong. That being said we do need to continue to argue that EULA and TOS are 100% to be followed and for those that do not wish to do so, and that wish to be fridge multiboxers are not welcome in this community.

[Taipan]

FYI: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5284849690&sid=1&pageNo=1

Hum...

Am I misreading (not being a native english speaker) or the immediate response from the Greenie Palehoof to the OP still brings back some uncertainty for software-based multi-boxers ?

I quote :
"In fairness, one player operating more than one character on more than one computer is not, so far as I know, a bannable offense.
The 3rd party software or hardware many people use to do so, however, is. "

Note : not sure how official is a Greenie vs a Blue statement by Blizz rules.

/salute

[mlwhitt]

I'm a big fan of glass house...

We live in a glass house, we police people who admit they have in the past violated the ToS willingly for discussing it and keep on top of policing any posts that promote it and it's all good.

Everyone knows someone who's e-bayed an account, or taken one over for a friend, it happens and it's by far not limited to multiboxers. In fact I'd wager that due to the number of boxers who value their accounts multiboxers are LESS likely to cheat than anyone else - we have more to lose (4x the effort on average.)If I had thought of multiboxing BEFORE I stupidly ebayed accounts, I would have NEVER ebayed an account. I just had no idea Keyclone existed! But it's no excuse, and I learned my lesson - the hard way.

See the problem here is that the Dual-Boxing community does not support ebayers wither they are boxers are not. By admitting that you have 'ebayed' accounts you are actively admitting that you have chosen not to follow the EULA. People can make honest mistakes but ebaying an account really doesn't fall under an honest mistake. By posting anything about ebaying an account you are reflecting bad on the community even though you didn't mean to.

You can't assume that MB haters will separate the fact that your ebaying accounts was not related to your multiboxing. Instead all they will see is "OMG see here they are admitting to having ebayed accounts." It is that type of thing that everyone wants to avoid. Just because someone in the community once ebayed an account should not reflect on the entire community but unfortunately for us it does.

[mlwhitt]

FYI: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5284849690&sid=1&pageNo=1

Hum...

Am I misreading (not being a native english speaker) or the immediate response from the Greenie Palehoof to the OP still brings back some uncertainty for software-based multi-boxers ?

I quote :
"In fairness, one player operating more than one character on more than one computer is not, so far as I know, a bannable offense.
The 3rd party software or hardware many people use to do so, however, is. "

Note : not sure how official is a Greenie vs a Blue statement by Blizz rules.

/salute

Greenies are just people that volunteer to help be hall monitors so to speak. I would never take their word the same was a a blue. Pretty much Greenies are just people that Blizzard has a little extra faith in making valid postings, but I wouldn't place anything they say as being completely valid. I would ALWAYS go with what blue(s) say.

[bugilt]

Players in the barrens seem to fit into 4 categories.

1. I'm jealous of you and there for hate you. Chuck Norris Rocks!
2. OMG, how do you do that? (let me ask 100 questions.) wait!
3. I've seen it before, that is pro.
4. I'm to lagged out to see you.

[Ðeceased]

FYI: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5284849690&sid=1&pageNo=1

Hum...

Am I misreading (not being a native english speaker) or the immediate response from the Greenie Palehoof to the OP still brings back some uncertainty for software-based multi-boxers ?

I quote :
"In fairness, one player operating more than one character on more than one computer is not, so far as I know, a bannable offense.
The 3rd party software or hardware many people use to do so, however, is. "

Note : not sure how official is a Greenie vs a Blue statement by Blizz rules.

/salute

Greenies are just people that volunteer to help be hall monitors so to speak. I would never take their word the same was a blue. Pretty much Greenies are just people that Blizzard has a little extra faith in making valid postings, but I wouldn't place anything they say as being completely valid. I would ALWAYS go with what blue(s) say.

QFT additionally I guess the misunderstanding, if that is the right word to use, comes from the fact that the OP is talking about 3rd party software. I assume the greenie believed him to actually be referring to 3rd party software (automating software), whereas the OP was intentionally trying to slander Mboxing by saying keyclone (non-automating software) is 3rd party software that automates..
I don't think the greenie meant to say anything other, just got tied up in the OPs misrepresentation

[geoffdavison]

I've noticed that the OP is a flamer.. he instigates and flames in several posts.



edit: clairification.. the OP from the wow forums that was referenced earlier.

[kllrwlf]

Players in the barrens seem to fit into 4 categories.

1. I'm jealous of you and there for hate you. Chuck Norris Rocks!
2. OMG, how do you do that? (let me ask 100 questions.) wait!
3. I've seen it before, that is pro.
4. I'm to lagged out to see you.

LOL... I don't think it's limited to Barrens. :rolleyes:

[Bradster]

To be honest I think the reason why is you have already been suspended once. Players with a history are watched, seeing something out of the norm, their not going to be open minded. Just hey look this isn’t right look what he’s up to now! *whack with the ban stick.

Look at some of the 3rd party program user forums such as popular bot programs, there’s a pretty distinct track record for them getting baned for something stupid on there new account after being banded before, or in your case suspended once.


Not the answer you want to hear, but something to consider as a possibility

[thinus]

As far as bypassing the GCD - I spam arcane explosion, arcane missiles, pretty much any of the dps keys I have on my mages/priests like I'm having a siezure... I'd be curious to see how blizzard differentiated this from a macro set to repeat every 25ms since the time between the server getting this would be skewed by latency...

Because they don't check it server side. You have a nice little monitoring tool sitting right on your PC called Warden.

EDIT: And they could be monitoring it through your client as well pretty easily.

[Stabface]

Still waiting on an email from Blizz ?

[PyrostasisTDK]

Still no update? Im curious whats up.

[Hotnutz]

Well it seems like the guy died? I didn't know Blizz was that harsh :P

Still no response. I'm guessing the guy was doing something shady and may be embarrassed to admit what it was.

[PyrostasisTDK]

I originally thought he was one of the wow forum flamers setting up the post here to fuel the fires there, but his (non dual-boxing ban) kind of killed that idea. :thumbdown:

[Wilbur]

I'm gonna force this thread to die now.

Please PM me or any member of staff if you have an issue.

Regards.