Shaman vs dk patch 4.3

[tanknspanker]

So the shammies get buffed in the next patch..
Will they mew pew the dk comp then ? Or will it be a 'fair' battle?
Greetingz!

[Nikita]

Go check out Kruschpaks 2700 rating in 5s! There's your answer :)

[zenga]

Go check out Kruschpaks 2700 rating in 5s! There's your answer :)

This Week 22 – 0 (100%)
Season 170 126 – 44 (74%)

Yeah right :P

Either way what 1 (exceptional) player is able to reach is not really a reference for a whole spec.

[Nikita]

Well, my high was 1940 rating this season, and up to 2100 MMR. Ive been beating 2500++ rated pvp players in 5s this whole season. So shaman are very viable idd :)

[ebony]

chain Lighting FTW :D

been haveing losts of funs on the ptrs with shammys and the buffs

now just to fram 391 gear (honor gear) in the next av weekend and have some fun

[tanknspanker]

Okej then .. Continue with shamans and forget dk xP

[Emo?]

Well the question i have is what you refer to?

Best team to reach most rating in Arena? Or who will win in a 5v5 between them?
There is many aspects to where the teams is good and not, i concider DK beeing very nice overall since you can solo instances (for mount farm like TK etc) and be viable in PvP with many more.

[tanknspanker]

Well the question i have is what you refer to?

Best team to reach most rating in Arena? Or who will win in a 5v5 between them?
There is many aspects to where the teams is good and not, i concider DK beeing very nice overall since you can solo instances (for mount farm like TK etc) and be viable in PvP with many more.

well I love arena and world pvp/bg so something for that :p
tbh, dk is like easy mode so thats just spamming a button and pew pew..
with the shaman i would be able to do instances also, bcause i still have a paladin leader who can tank the place.
decissions decissions..

[Zub]

well I love arena and world pvp/bg so something for that :p
tbh, dk is like easy mode so thats just spamming a button and pew pew..
with the shaman i would be able to do instances also, bcause i still have a paladin leader who can tank the place.
decissions decissions..

you could still do instances with paly + 4dk

[Fat Tire]

Go check out Kruschpaks 2700 rating in 5s! There's your answer :)

Got balls Krush, a big hairy sack. Love it!

[Nikita]

Well, the 2 different teams got pros and cons. My 2 cents

Shaman team
Pros
1. Kill someone in 1 GCD
2. Self heal
3. Can cast while moving
4. Spammable CL much?!

Cons:
1. Easy to lockdown
2. Some mana issues
3. Lack of a big defensive CD

[valkry]

Well, the 2 different teams got pros and cons. My 2 cents

Shaman team
Pros
1. Kill someone in 1 GCD
2. Self heal
3. Can cast while moving
4. Spammable CL much?!

Cons:
1. Easy to lockdown
2. Some mana issues
3. Lack of a big defensive CD
Maye add for pros, multi target hex, multi target interupts, with /target arena1 etc.
And for cons, easy to pillar hump against.

[Quiding]

Maye add for pros, multi target hex, multi target interupts, with /target arena1 etc.
And for cons, easy to pillar hump against.

DKs would also be able to multi target interrupt/strangulate so that not a cons over DKs.

[valkry]

DKs would also be able to multi target interrupt/strangulate so that not a cons over DKs.
He wasn't doing a comparison, only the pros and cons for the shammy side. Otherwise, dpsing while moving wouldn't be up there either.

[Nikita]

DKs would also be able to multi target interrupt/strangulate so that not a cons over DKs.

Id say hex is more powerfull then DKs interrupts/silences

[Multibocks]

Id say hex is more powerfull then DKs interrupts/silences

I think strangulate is one of the best abilities in the game. If you glyph it you get 7 seconds of no casting if it interrupts a cast. That is a ridiculous LONG time for a healer not to be able to heal. And if you are good enough to manually strangulate then that's 4 times you can lock out a healer (not counting diminishing returns.)

One thing I'm not sure of is can you trinket out of silence effects?

[valkry]

I think strangulate is one of the best abilities in the game. If you glyph it you get 7 seconds of no casting if it interrupts a cast. That is a ridiculous LONG time for a healer not to be able to heal. And if you are good enough to manually strangulate then that's 4 times you can lock out a healer (not counting diminishing returns.)

One thing I'm not sure of is can you trinket out of silence effects?
No you can't. But I think it is a magic affect so can be dispelled by others, not sure on that though.

[Fat Tire]

No you can't. But I think it is a magic affect so can be dispelled by others, not sure on that though.


you can trinket strangulate - I do it all the time.

[valkry]

you can trinket strangulate - I do it all the time.
Nice, I have been proven wrong then :p

[Multibocks]

you can trinket strangulate - I do it all the time.

Ah ok, still think its awesome.

[valkry]

The argument is quite simple, DKs are OP in pvp, shammies are not. 4x DK... well, I'll leave the guess up to you lol.

[Nikita]

Quick question thou, any DK teams above 2200 rating or even 2000 rating atm?

[Shodokan]

Quick question thou, any DK teams above 2200 rating or even 2000 rating atm?

Mine were, i quit playing though and disbanded team.

I was also 2300+ in 3's.

[Nikita]

Talking about right now. There are far more teams around 1800++ rating in 5v5 with 2500 exp in 2s and 3s then there were earlier in the season. So the difficulty is higher now in 5s then it was early in the season

[Shodokan]

Talking about right now. There are far more teams around 1800++ rating in 5v5 with 2500 exp in 2s and 3s then there were earlier in the season. So the difficulty is higher now in 5s then it was early in the season

I was 223x up till about a month ago in 5's. RIGHT now? I don't know of anyone. Quad dk is too easy to beat with something like a well played RMPLS.

[ebony]

Play what you like to a lot get bord of deathkights becouse all the one button press gets kinda boring.

Deathkights running off falling off hills getting stuck. ( i love ctm/itw) but useing it all the time get to massey.


Shammys can solo os+3 TK/BT and loads of other raids. 5 man shammys a few av even 5 manned a few bossess in hc's, i love to see what the new gear will let me do.

[MiRai]

I just deleted a shit-ton of posts from this thread. It's amazing how this thread went way off topic and tried
to justify cheating and exploiting the system as if it's something we allow.

I realize it's extremely difficult to not post stuff about cheating and exploiting but... try to control yourselves.

[Zub]

I just deleted a shit-ton of posts from this thread. It's amazing how this thread went way off topic and tried
to justify cheating and exploiting the system as if it's something we allow.

I realize it's extremely difficult to not post stuff about cheating and exploiting but... try to control yourselves.


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[remanz]

sorry but what did DK and shaman get in 4.3 ? exactly.

mmo-champion blocked for me at work.

[Shodokan]

sorry but what did DK and shaman get in 4.3 ? exactly.

mmo-champion blocked for me at work.

Shaman got a few buffs, dks got nothing.

[Nikita]

Shamans get dmg boosted, which is totaly not needed. Dmg is fine PvP wise, but we're lacking defensive CDs big time!

[Eloxy]

Shamans get dmg boosted, which is totaly not needed. Dmg is fine PvP wise, but we're lacking defensive CDs big time!

Been like this since tbc? :) shamans dying? Lets buff damage!

[Emo?]

DK gets some minor buffs to UH. So nothing for us boxers so to speak.

I do believe that the comps are hard to compare and specially not against each other, in a 4v4 arena between 4 dks and 4 shamans i bet my money on the DKs.

For overall gameplay and fun, i actually don't think there is any difference. Both teams are viable for most things in game, just in different approaches.

[zenga]

Shamans get dmg boosted, which is totaly not needed. Dmg is fine PvP wise, but we're lacking defensive CDs big time!
It should be more or less the same. The 3 main things that change for shamans is:

- flametongue weapon imbue is changed from 747 spellpower (about 1K if talented) to 5% overall spell damage (7% if talented) increase. It means that shamans will scale much better with gear, but for some it might mean that certain spells hit less hard initially. Some spells will benefit more from it than others, since spells have different individual scaling factors.
- shamanism got increased from 32% to 36% (lb, lvb and chain lightning benefit 4% extra from spell power)
- cooldown on chain lightning got removed

(besides this EQ got buffed and fire nova will no longer increase duration of flame shock)

It basically all means that ele shamans scale much better than before with gear, at the cost of a 1k spell power loss. It means that for nuke phases, the orc racial (updated into a flat spell power increase) + engineering glove tinker becomes a really strong cooldown.

Might also be worth it for 5v5 to look into acquiring 2 pieces of T13 raid gear ... the bonus is basically 2000 mastery everytime you pop elemental mastery. You will obviously lose the 4p pvp gear set bonus, but this extra nuke sounds like incredible to me if you can stack it. Downside is that you can no longer acquire set pieces from valor points, they are raid drops (lfr).

[Noids]

DKs did get the atk pwr buff buff :P

ie. if you run with a pally healer who buffs might, you now get +20% to atk pwr rather than just +10%... not an insignificant boost.

[Multibocks]

Zenga is your picture some new internet meme that I don't know about?

[Santa]

DKs did get the atk pwr buff buff :P

ie. if you run with a pally healer who buffs might, you now get +20% to atk pwr rather than just +10%... not an insignificant boost.

Is this nerf to Howling Blast going live?

"Howling Blast (frost talent/skill) - This has now been nerfed a little it now scales from 44% for single targets and 22% AOE of attack power, down from 48% and 24% respectively."

This pretty much nullifies the dmg increase from Blessing of Might. Other skills still get a slight boost in dmg but Howling Blast is teh sh*t in pvp.

[zenga]

Zenga is your picture some new internet meme that I don't know about?

Figured I would stop hiding my real identity.

[Multibocks]

That is you? Here I thought you were like 18

Edit: I don't mean that as a negative thing

[zenga]

When I wear my hotpants and makeup during the weekends I feel 18.
The rest of the week I'm 33.

[Multibocks]

Lol kind of got off topic, but that picture looks a little older than 33. I'm guessing 52 without hot pants.

[smalltanker]

So I have been doing some 80+ AV and IofC with 4 of my 5 shammy team (5th is 85 already and my main). I am hear to tell you chain lightning is full of goodness now at choke points, bridges,near GY flags. I cam mightly close to getting Wrecking ball and have been tracking pretty high in damage and KBs. What is everyone elses experience with the new spells.

On a different note I don't like the new lightning bolt graphics. We might as well draw a line for melee to come ROFLstomp us.

BTW George Lucas called... he wants his Sith Chain Lightning graphics back...

[Nikita]

Totaly agree! I did WSG yesterday, and got wrecking ball on my main, and 18 kills zero deaths on my alts :) went oom fast thou

[smalltanker]

I need to refine my Ele Shammy set up. My cast sequence is jacked up for some reason. Will put flameshock on one target and then later will fire off my Lava Burst... uggh... Gimping my DPS. 2 x 84 and 2 x 83.9+, so tomorrow is Twilight Highlands and PVP as it is my weekend. I picked up the crafted pvp caster relic, neck, 2 x rings, and cloak for my team for the iLevel 377 intro pvp gear for when I hit 85. Will bang out Crucible of Carnage tomorrow for the weapon and then be questing and queing until I hit 85.

How much flak do you think I will get if I randomly queue for BGs with 4 undergeared 85 shammies and one partial ruthless? I don't want to be free HKs to everyone else so I normally duck into IoC or AV. Luckily I have 3 of the 4 shammies capped for honor. So probably grab two resil trinkets each and then save other points for new set pieces next tuesday.

[ebony]

I need to refine my Ele Shammy set up. My cast sequence is jacked up for some reason. Will put flameshock on one target and then later will fire off my Lava Burst... uggh... Gimping my DPS. 2 x 84 and 2 x 83.9+, so tomorrow is Twilight Highlands and PVP as it is my weekend. I picked up the crafted pvp caster relic, neck, 2 x rings, and cloak for my team for the iLevel 377 intro pvp gear for when I hit 85. Will bang out Crucible of Carnage tomorrow for the weapon and then be questing and queing until I hit 85.

How much flak do you think I will get if I randomly queue for BGs with 4 undergeared 85 shammies and one partial ruthless? I don't want to be free HKs to everyone else so I normally duck into IoC or AV. Luckily I have 3 of the 4 shammies capped for honor. So probably grab two resil trinkets each and then save other points for new set pieces next tuesday.

Don't do randoms in low gear my shammys have been Hk's so far (got a few season 10 itams)

2nd thing DO NOT GET PVP GEAR NOW!

This is the gear that be on the servers when season 11 starts for honor (shammys) its a nice boost then the current set. if you can get weps/shileds as they do not change. am just framing AV/IOC

(and queing for AV then leave Que Reque for random then i get a 90% of that av as a random for my 100 conquest a day)

http://www.wowhead.com/item=72443
http://www.wowhead.com/item=72444
http://www.wowhead.com/item=72445
http://www.wowhead.com/item=72446
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PS: AV WEEKEND IN 2 WEEKS!!!!

[Wokomehee]

I love my shamans atm, the changes really makes them worth playing again imo. Im currently farming gear and having fun with it.
Earlier today my cute girls got fried by another boxer tho, 10 shamans from Dommhammer... i entered Balinda feeling pretty good, until i 1 sec later saw all my chars on the floor... woot :/ ..oh well, i wont go whining on forums about boxers anyway xD

[smalltanker]

Well I am up and running at 85. Transferred my one toon to another account and have been getting stomped. Lost 3 Tol Barads, 8 AVs (won 3), and lost 2 IOCs. Yggh. On the plus side the shaman even in quest greens and some crafted PVP gear are doing well. My iLevel went from 312-315 to about 329 with the 5 pieces of crafted gear. I am now sitting around 350 on the four new toons and tonorrow night will probably grind out enough to get into LFR before the reset this week. The shaman are fantastic with the changes.

I do need to get a round robin for my tremor totems. Shadow Priest and Warriors are my bane.

On a different note I ran into several horde boxers in AV. And one of them was from my server. I also bumped heads with Hordekillera-e:Korgath hunter boxer. He gives as good as he gets but I was generally doing more damage. Now if I had permanent elementals (not gonna happen) the hunters would re-roll and/or run from boxxing shammies. I was also in a AV raid with 3+ horde boxers twice. One was a 10 boxer, and then two 5 boxxers. Good to see we are all grinding gear for the weekend.

Night team.

[Multibocks]

I wish they would remove all mass CCs as they take no skill or thought, but I'm just bitter!

[Kruschpakx4]

Got balls Krush, a big hairy sack. Love it!

actually just did some "smart use of game mechanics" but dont really expect to get away with it since its kinda obvious, will se til tuedsday

2,1k was max this season and should be fairly easy to do again in season 11 but actuall a bit afraid of blood dk stacking teams with melee buff

regardless of my actions shamans are still 2,2 viable dont worry

[Multibocks]

So I was just doing my thing with pvp and realized something. I should have farmed farmed some justice points on my teams. 4K justice + 4k honor = about 7kish honor through the conversion at the pve vendors. Sorry if this is well known, just realized it today. Its a nice jump on the season when 390 stuff hits.

[Nikita]

So I was just doing my thing with pvp and realized something. I should have farmed farmed some justice points on my teams. 4K justice + 4k honor = about 7kish honor through the conversion at the pve vendors. Sorry if this is well known, just realized it today. Its a nice jump on the season when 390 stuff hits.

You should have bought 2 x pvp head enchants and 2 x pvp shoulder enchants aswell :) would have saved you alot of farming next season.

[Multibocks]

I have BH tokens for that :)

[Nikita]

Ohh, nice :) are you capping conquest points now then? Your able to farm 1650 conquest before the season starts :)

[Meshuggenah]

I keep leaning towards shelving my DK's and gearing up 4x Shamans. I like the idea of a single group that can PvE or PvP equally well, since I'm lazy and don't like maintaining two groups. Melee boxing PvE is generally a nightmare. So, I get all hyped up on the idea of dusting off the Shamans, go run a couple of BG's and remember what it's like to be constantly circle strafed by melee. . .

I guess it's an unfair comparison, since I've played DK's constantly since Cata released and haven't played Shamans at all since mid-Wrath.

[Toned]

I keep leaning towards shelving my DK's and gearing up 4x Shamans. I like the idea of a single group that can PvE or PvP equally well, since I'm lazy and don't like maintaining two groups. Melee boxing PvE is generally a nightmare. So, I get all hyped up on the idea of dusting off the Shamans, go run a couple of BG's and remember what it's like to be constantly circle strafed by melee. . .

I guess it's an unfair comparison, since I've played DK's constantly since Cata released and haven't played Shamans at all since mid-Wrath.

Atleast thunderstorm has a snare attached to it now, to give you more casts. IF you want to see something lolzie, use the Glyph of Unleashed Lightning + IWT, and circle cast round the melee, throwing in Fulminations when you can.

[Meshuggenah]

Atleast thunderstorm has a snare attached to it now, to give you more casts. IF you want to see something lolzie, use the Glyph of Unleashed Lightning + IWT, and circle cast round the melee, throwing in Fulminations when you can.

I had thought about this but it still seems like unreliable damage, since lightning bolt damage is pretty poor to begin with, and you only have a 50% chance of being facing your target when the cast finishes.

If I stuck with it and got their gear up to my DK's level, refined my macros and got used to using round robin, thunderstorm and earthbind properly, I'm sure it'd make managing melee much easier. All of that requires actually pressing buttons, though. I'm too used to being able to semi-AFK faceroll 20-0 with my DK's.

Actually, something I haven't noticed as much yet (because I haven't PvP'd with them much yet), is being at a default disadvantage because I'm Alliance. I imagine the BE racial is still a nightmare to deal with in arena.

[Multibocks]

Ohh, nice :) are you capping conquest points now then? Your able to farm 1650 conquest before the season starts :)


Well shit I didnt think you could do arenas last week or that conquest was even attainable. Damnit

[ebony]

Well shit I didnt think you could do arenas last week or that conquest was even attainable. Damnit

not from arana its 100% from random bg's 100 then 50 a day each win

[Barazanthul]

Seems Krusch got Gladiator this season

http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/arthas/Kruschpak/advanced

[Eloxy]

Seems Krusch got Gladiator this season

http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/arthas/Kruschpak/advanced

Haha so awesome Nice stunt bro :) kudos

[valkry]

Seems Krusch got Gladiator this season

http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/arthas/Kruschpak/advanced
Link doesn't work for me ;(

[Multibocks]

Seems Krusch got Gladiator this season

http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/arthas/Kruschpak/advanced


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[Kruschpakx4]

transfer in progress

[MiRai]

Cleaned up the thread again.

Keep your ArenaJunkies drama on ArenaJunkies and don't bring it over here.