Arena is now unnecessary 4.3

[Fat Tire]

4.3 Battleground Conquest Rewards
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker (http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/206409/43-battleground-conquest-rewards) / Official Forums (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3595670888#1))
In patch 4.3 we’re changing the daily battleground (BG) to reward 100 conquest for a win (up from 25). In addition, every non-rated BG that you win will also give you 50 conquest. There is no limit to how many BGs you can run this way, up to the normal conquest cap.

Our intent is to start acting even more on our Mists of Pandaria philosophies of encouraging players to approach the content they want to, how they want to, and be able to work toward meaningful player progression. Arenas and rated battlegrounds will still earn Conquest faster, but with this change you can now work your way up by running normal BGs, if you so choose.





Thought it deserved its own thread since this is pretty huge. Basically removes the need to arena except for 2200 and cheesy titles and with the advent of pve bosses dropping tons of weapons now I even see the need for 2200 not needed. I guess you could do arena to raise your point cap, but this gives you the option.

[Bollwerk]

About damn time!

[Void]

glad i dont play anymore they might as well just give the epics away for free. where is the challenge? Anyone can sit in bg's all day semi afk and get good gear. awesome

[cmeche]

glad i dont play anymore they might as well just give the epics away for free. where is the challenge? Anyone can sit in bg's all day semi afk and get good gear. awesome

You can do that now.....
T2 is not that big of a difference anyway.

[Multibocks]

Holy shit this makes me mad!

[Oatboat]

make 1/4 of your customers mad all the while making the 3/4 that never arena very happy... I'd say its a good trade off.

[Svpernova09]

Some Napkin math:

Assuming you cap your points every week from BGs alone, it would take you 20 weeks to fully gear. If you run 2 heroics and trade your valor -> Conq every week (or do rated bgs and never raise your weekly conq cap) it will take you 17 weeks to full gear.



Head 2200
Neck 1250
Shoulders 1650
Back 1250
Chest 2200
Bracers 1250
Gloves 1650
Belt 1650
Pants 2200
Feet 1650
Ring1 1250
Ring2 1250
Trinket1 1650
Trinket2 1650
MH 2450
OH 950
Ranged 700
Total 26850




Why are people mad about this? You were either already doing arena or you were only getting half the current Conq set per season.

[Crum1515]

Seems like a good move. It will get more people in a position to compete on an even playfield. And coming in half way through the season wont be a horrible disadvantage if you can't find an arena partner.

[Svpernova09]

Seems like a good move. It will get more people in a position to compete on an even playfield. And coming in half way through the season wont be a horrible disadvantage if you can't find an arena partner.

I see it as a way to entice more people to try arena / rated BGs just so they gear faster. If you look at the fact that S10 (if it ends on time) was only 21 weeks long, you're going to be "Under Geared" for 90% of the season. I think it promotes an environment of moving from BGs -> Rated PvP if nothing else than to gear faster.

[Eloxy]

Everyone can have everything...great. this is fail...
reason i do arenas is to get gear and acomplish something not everyone can get/do. And i dont even like arenas that much but i do it for the feeling i get when i reach a goal.

Gotta laugh.. blizz is heading down the wrong road with this. Atleast seen through the eyes of "over mid interested" gamers...

[Svpernova09]

Everyone can have everything...great. this is fail...
reason i do arenas is to get gear and acomplish something not everyone can get/do. And i dont even like arenas that much but i do it for the feeling i get when i reach a goal.

Gotta laugh.. blizz is heading down the wrong road with this. Atleast seen through the eyes of "over mid interested" gamers...

The fact that you expect different considering what they did with Wrath really makes me wonder: What exactly were you expecting?

[Tehmuffinman]

Ive got a lovely bunch of coconuts.

[Crum1515]

At any rate, this change will not affect the way you play the game if you currently RBG or Arena. Other people getting routes to progression is not a step in the wrong direction, its opening currently closed avenues of progression to an untapped population. With more people pvp'ing perhaps more focus will go into content creation for it, and then ultimately, free waffles and costco.

[Oatboat]

pvp was the main reason i played this game.

This will be a huge boost for boxers that dont like arenas. Myself included... i love the bigger mapped bgs.

[valkry]

BGs are pvp too, why do us Battlegrounders have to do stupid arena to get good pvp gear? Battlemaster Atox approves of this change. Lets face it, I only do Arena for points each week anyway, not like any Joe Blow can't do that either!!

Pft, my 14 year old clicker brother can win arena matches for weekly point cap. All you gotta do is have a Dk partner and you are set.

[Multibocks]

The fact that you expect different considering what they did with Wrath really makes me wonder: What exactly were you expecting?

Actually of all things arena has gone from easy to hard to semi hard. So really not much of a trend.

edit: as far as 5s are concerned

[Nikita]

This will make more ppl do BGs -> more arena teams -> faster ques -> more wins against not-so-great-pvpers

[Ughmahedhurtz]

At any rate, this change will not affect the way you play the game if you currently RBG or Arena. Other people getting routes to progression is not a step in the wrong direction, its opening currently closed avenues of progression to an untapped population. With more people pvp'ing perhaps more focus will go into content creation for it, and then ultimately, free waffles and costco.
Playing devil's advocate for a second, the only reason I can come up with is that with BGs awarding conquest points, there will be fewer noob teams for the arena "pros" (lol) to farm for early points. Additionally, it should make it harder for people to "carry" others to higher ranks if that proves true. Arena folks should love this change as it will mean fewer casuals will be cluttering up the arena ladders, making for more exciting and competitive arena play.

Ultimately, more choice can only be a good thing.

[valkry]

Actually of all things arena has gone from easy to hard to semi hard. So really not much of a trend.

edit: as far as 5s are concerned
Arena is still very easy to win 8 games a week to cap out points. This change to removes the bother of having to do that, not the challenge, because there is virtually none anyway.

[Multibocks]

So the only point of arenas is 2200 weapons? Also I dont buy that there will be more noobs in arena, in fact I bet there are less. If I can get my conquest points in BGs why bother? Isn't this a single player game?

[valkry]

So the only point of arenas is 2200 weapons? Also I dont buy that there will be more noobs in arena, in fact I bet there are less. If I can get my conquest points in BGs why bother? Isn't this a single player game?
That, and because you actually LIKE arena. And yes, this will mean the less skilled people and people who don't like Arenas will do BGs instead, making Arenas more competitive (and thus enjoyable for arena junkies). It's a win win imo.

You say it like BGs are 1v1. I must have missed that BG

[Multibocks]

That, and because you actually LIKE arena. And yes, this will mean the less skilled people and people who don't like Arenas will do BGs instead, making Arenas more competitive (and thus enjoyable for arena junkies). It's a win win imo.

You say it like BGs are 1v1. I must have missed that BG

This game is all about convenience now. How am I supposed to get better when I find 2 teams on 5v5 at my rating during primetime?

[Zub]

THE SKY IS...
oh wait. nvm

[Multibocks]

People are... oh wait nm.

Thanks for adding to the discussion.

[Oatboat]

for every 1 person hating this on the forums there were 10 in favor of it.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3595670888#1

[Multibocks]

I didn't say anything to the contrary.

[Oatboat]

I know.. i'm just stating that the overall general public is excited about this change.

not trying to do the "nana nana boo boo stick your head in doo doo" thing.

[valkry]

This game is all about convenience now. How am I supposed to get better when I find 2 teams on 5v5 at my rating during primetime? Fuck.
Get better? There's a reason they are giving conq gear to BGs, arenas are not fun for most people. The best weaps and t2 armour will still be from arena, but it will be hard and long to get... but isn't that the point?

It's good that Blizz is makign it so you aren't railroaded into one area of the game to earn certain reqards. That they are giving you options to play the game differently. Excuse me if i Think that is similar to multiboxing, and hence look forward to it.

[Zub]

People are... oh wait nm.

Thanks for adding to the discussion.
lol, love the irony of this ;-)

[Multibocks]

And the irony of your post.

[Multibocks]

Get better? There's a reason they are giving conq gear to BGs, arenas are not fun for most people. The best weaps and t2 armour will still be from arena, but it will be hard and long to get... but isn't that the point?

It's good that Blizz is makign it so you aren't railroaded into one area of the game to earn certain reqards. That they are giving you options to play the game differently. Excuse me if i Think that is similar to multiboxing, and hence look forward to it.

HAHA oh thats rich. Get better he says. How am I supposed to get better when the only teams I get to play are almost 500 points of ahead of me. Arena is dead for me.

[valkry]

HAHA oh thats rich. Get better he says. How am I supposed to get better when the only teams I get to play are almost 500 points of ahead of me. Arena is dead for me.
Verse them, and verse them, and verse them, and learn. Just like anyone else in the world trying to get better.

[Multibocks]

Ok now you are just trolling.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

If I'm reading you right, Multibocks, you're saying instead of playing better teams than you and getting better gradually, you'd rather be able to beat teams even with you or below you to make up those 500 points of difference? Or are you saying the system is matchmaking you with people 500pts above you ONLY? In either case, it sounds like a broken-ass system.

[edit] But forcing noobs into Arena so you'll have someone you can beat isn't exactly a winning strategery.

[Multibocks]

What Im saying is 5v5 is so rare that I get the same 2 teams. I have only met 2-3 below me, almost all are a good 200+ above.

edit: the point of it was that if there are more people playing 5s I will have a better chance of facing people that are at or slightly above my rating. But whatever, Im done talking about this.

[Fat Tire]

Both sides have points. I prefer to have it reverted back to 5 wins to cap. This change will certainly get more people playing in random bgs and botting for that matter, however I am not sure it will translate into more arena participation. Maybe a more active RBGs ladder though. One of the reasons I have always taken long breaks from wow was the lack of player progression through gear or otherwise.

[Kruschpakx4]

this change is appreciated, since there are sub 400 5v5 teams on my pool no reason to play :I

[Selz]

I honestly like this change

Now I just want them to remove that instant kick ability, then im actually hooked on playing again:rolleyes:

[pinotnoir]

This is a great change. While it does not replace rated bg's and arena for points it does supplement them. Maybe you can save yourself a few games a week to cap points if you bg. I like the change.

[EaTCarbS]

This will make more ppl do BGs -> more arena teams -> faster ques -> more wins against not-so-great-pvpers

This is the way I see it.

[valkry]

What Im saying is 5v5 is so rare that I get the same 2 teams. I have only met 2-3 below me, almost all are a good 200+ above.

edit: the point of it was that if there are more people playing 5s I will have a better chance of facing people that are at or slightly above my rating. But whatever, Im done talking about this.
The reason why people aren't playing 5s is because most people don't like arena. And don't like being forced there to get the best and 2nd best gear.

[Ualaa]

I've always enjoyed battlegrounds, and have always disliked arena.
But have run arena because that is where the best gear was/is.

With the ability to get the best gear from Battlegrounds without having to do Arena at all...
I doubt I'll step into the arena again.



Arena is superior to battlegrounds, as an e-sport.
Battlegrounds seems to have larger appeal to the masses.
Each individual will like one more than the other (aside from a few who like them equally), and liking one more than the other is not right or wrong.

I'd like to see each arena team with exactly equal gearing, much like their advertised dungeon challenges.
That way the winning team is probably the more skilled team (although lower ping might change things), rather than the more geared team having a huge edge.
Rating would be a more accurate measurement of pvp skill, if everyone had the same gear.
Of course then you'd need to work out an incentive to arena...

[ebony]

i love the change for my lets say 2nd group that can olny play in big bg's (av ioc eots ab) mages/warlocks (maybe even shammys) that have noway to play arana becouse the right setup you be killed. but its like fram max honor gear then thats it nothing else to do with this group. or solo play them in arana but to be fair am mutiboxing so i do not need to solo play so why spend days takeing them in one by one when i can fram out bg's (hello av weekends ;) )


now if they got rid of randoms and made it play what bg's you like/can do and get same stuff Happy Days!!

[thefunk]

i love the change for my lets say 2nd group that can olny play in big bg's (av ioc eots ab) mages/warlocks (maybe even shammys) that have noway to play arana becouse the right setup you be killed. but its like fram max honor gear then thats it nothing else to do with this group. or solo play them in arana but to be fair am mutiboxing so i do not need to solo play so why spend days takeing them in one by one when i can fram out bg's (hello av weekends ;) )


now if they got rid of randoms and made it play what bg's you like/can do and get same stuff Happy Days!!

Ebony is that a full stop in your sentence? That's a world first! ;)

[Fat Tire]

I've always enjoyed battlegrounds, and have always disliked arena.
But have run arena because that is where the best gear was/is.

With the ability to get the best gear from Battlegrounds without having to do Arena at all...
I doubt I'll step into the arena again.



Exactly, this is why I think alot of players will stop doing arena. If your not going to get above 1500 in arena or rbgs to raise your point cap there is no point in doing arenas. Since the same gear is available via random bgs.

[Emo?]

One thing to note tho is that it will req 27 wins from BG to cap the 1350ish cap.

It will go way faster to cap via arena, or RBG, still a thing that i think people should take into concideration.

From my personal view, i will prob focus on BG and RBG next season, thats what i enjoy the most.

[Fat Tire]

One thing to note tho is that it will req 27 wins from BG to cap the 1350ish cap.

It will go way faster to cap via arena, or RBG, still a thing that i think people should take into concideration.


Thats debatable and varies for each individual person. However, I think its wrong to state opinion as fact. I still get under 5 min wsg/ab/eots wins and I still get 20 min 2v2 games or 5 min+ 3s games. Although, I could a major revitalization of speed rushing AV games.

[cmeche]

I like the change. Except bring back the the ladder steping for acquiring "arena gear". And when i say arena gear.....gear with cosmetic changes only.

1200 - different color chest
1400 - different color hands
1600 - different color helm
.....and so on
2200 - then you could get the upgraded weapons

But weapons would be the ONLY thing you could get(points too obviously) that effected stats from doing arena. It wouldnt make me mad either if they raised the weapon rating.

[Fat Tire]

I like the change. Except bring back the the ladder steping for acquiring "arena gear". And when i say arena gear.....gear with cosmetic changes only.

1200 - different color chest
1400 - different color hands
1600 - different color helm
.....and so on
2200 - then you could get the upgraded weapons

But weapons would be the ONLY thing you could get(points too obviously) that effected stats from doing arena. It wouldnt make me mad either if they raised the weapon rating.

well that would be cool but with transmogrification I know I will be rocking other seasons pvp/pve gear. Gear cosmetics is no longer any kind of status symbol come 4.3

[Multibocks]

what's the point in that? PvE you can get heroic gear with better stats. PvP you get colors yay

[Ughmahedhurtz]

what's the point in that? PvE you can get heroic gear with better stats. PvP you get colors yay
Forgive me if this sounds combative, but I thought arenas was about the challenge, not just the gear?

[Fat Tire]

Forgive me if this sounds combative, but I thought arenas was about the challenge, not just the gear?

Aye. PvP is about the competition and nothing more... well that and PNAD (pwn noobs all day). Really happy resilience will be a baseline stat in mop.

[Multibocks]

Forgive me if this sounds combative, but I thought arenas was about the challenge, not just the gear?

Ok well let me go with your devils advocate. I guess everyones idea of pvp is just to win. Let's take gear completely out of the game then. Yes I enjoy pvp, and yes I expect my gear to get better. If its only to "pwn noobs" well I guess I'll take my ball and go home.

Edit: to be even more clear this game is all about showing off epeen. Seriously they have achievements for a reason. Let's just remove all reward from the game and see how many people want to play.

[cmeche]

what's the point in that? PvE you can get heroic gear with better stats. PvP you get colors yay

You are seriously butt hurt over this arnt ya?

I could give a rats ass over colors. But that should be the only reward for higher and higher rating....

[thefunk]

I play the game because it boosts my IQ

[Multibocks]

You are seriously butt hurt over this arnt ya?

I could give a rats ass over colors. But that should be the only reward for higher and higher rating....

can you teach me to new more strong like you cmeche? J would be most appreciative.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Ok well let me go with your devils advocate. I guess everyones idea of pvp is just to win. Let's take gear completely out of the game then. Yes I enjoy pvp, and yes I expect my gear to get better. If its only to "pwn noobs" well I guess I'll take my ball and go home.

Edit: to be even more clear this game is all about showing off epeen. Seriously they have achievements for a reason. Let's just remove all reward from the game and see how many people want to play.
Histrionics aside, I can understand your position. At least you're honest about it. I personally get more satisfaction in blowing up people despite being the gear/level underdog rather than roflstomping folks 40 iLevels and 2500resil below me but to each his own.

[Multibocks]

Just to be clear I don't enjoy killing defenseless people. The most fun I've had in this game was killin a horde guild that liked to camp pve people at the fire lands quest hub. It took about 15 before I couldn't handle them. Granted they weren't coordinating their targets.

Doesn't matter, thread well be locked soon. People can't help but come on and troll.

[MiRai]

Doesn't matter, thread well be locked soon. People can't help but come on and troll.
And in response to your reason for editing your post.

I edited your posts for the "F word." I let that fly from time to time but you're getting too comfortable with
it in this thread. You're getting pretty hurt over this change and if you continue to feed any trolling you can
expect that they'll stick around and continue to poke you with a stick -- This is common knowledge on the
internet.

I would hardly call the responses to your posts in this thread to be trolling anyway. You're taking this
change way too seriously and people are responding sarcastically because you're blowing up about it. Be
the bigger person and ignore it because I would find it hard to believe that you've never ever trolled
anyone on the internet before and you're an innocent victim.

/back on topic

I don't like Arena, either. I like this change in 4.3.

[valkry]

Ok well let me go with your devils advocate. I guess everyones idea of pvp is just to win. Let's take gear completely out of the game then. Yes I enjoy pvp, and yes I expect my gear to get better. If its only to "pwn noobs" well I guess I'll take my ball and go home.

Edit: to be even more clear this game is all about showing off epeen. Seriously they have achievements for a reason. Let's just remove all reward from the game and see how many people want to play.
Well, sorry to ask, but why do YOU expect your gear to be better, you are 500 points behind other teams? They should have the best gear.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Multibocks, you think I'm trolling you? Seriously? You're angry about the proposed change yet your position as to why appears to be based on a premise ("I should get gear that makes me god-like in PVP vs people that don't have my gear") that just makes it less likely you'll have anyone to blow up. I originally thought your complaint was about the MMR system being broken in general but you seem to only have a problem with PVP when it's broken in favor of your opponents.

Just to be clear I don't enjoy killing defenseless people.
Honestly? Let's revisit some previous comments.

what's the point in that? PvE you can get heroic gear with better stats. PvP you get colors yay
This comment was two posts after and (I presume) in response to this:

I like the change. Except bring back the the ladder steping for acquiring "arena gear". And when i say arena gear.....gear with cosmetic changes only.

1200 - different color chest
1400 - different color hands
1600 - different color helm
.....and so on
2200 - then you could get the upgraded weapons

But weapons would be the ONLY thing you could get(points too obviously) that effected stats from doing arena. It wouldnt make me mad either if they raised the weapon rating.
Which leads me to believe you only want gear from arenas if it gives you a material advantage over your normal opponents. Thus my question, which was basically, "How is having the best gear stats by a wide margin only available from highly-rated arenas challenging or fun unless you just like beating up 'defenseless' opponents?" especially when you admit you hardly play anyone in 5's now anyway.

I'm not picking on you personally or your motivations. Everyone likes to feel all-powerful and blow people up.

If that's not what you were complaining about, then maybe this is an ESL thing or I'm just totally misunderstanding why you're angry about the change(s).

[Multibocks]

Because it feels good to see your stats go up, having my character a different color does nothing for me. Nothing more to it than that, but feel free to pick apart my comments more; I prepared them all on a napkin.

edit: It's nice to see that new high crit, new health pool (150k sweet!), stuff like that. I regularly face opponents with the same gear so no I'm not picking on the little guys. I don't attack people, I defend myself. But I'm sure some internet sleuth will come up with one example where I attacked the poor defenseless 80 year old lady with mace on her birthday.

editX2:



Multibocks, you think I'm trolling you?That troll comment was to Cmeche and Valkry, because their differing opinions were not voiced in a constructive manner. I don't mind your debate. If yoiu look back I even made a comment towards that but it was eaten by the mods. Not that cmeche's comment was changed. Flag the person who threw the last punch and all that.


You are seriously butt hurt over this arnt ya?

[drevil]

pvp is broken a long time in this game :-)

btw. i met a 393 !! (incl.dragonwrath) PVE equiped mage in the 5v5 pool the last week for some games.
took one char out in 3 sec alone, 50k crits on 4k resi.. couldn't believe my logs first until i looked him up in armory.

[valkry]

QQ because you will not be the only one with the best gear (though how you would earn it 500 rating behind is beyond me when even you disbelieve you can improve) to pwn noobs (you say you dont want to yet you are angry all the lower rating people wont be queueing up in arena anymore) does not warrant constructive feedback.

You call us trolls, I may be black, but you are a kettle.


Seven pages of tears about going back to reasonable numbers. Wow, this slowly turns into WoW general forums.
Seriously, mudflation was bad enough with WotLK (even though its been an awesome expansion), but cata seriously messed up. So it's a good thing they are trying to fix their mistakes of the past.


Says the person crying about people crying.

Nice attack on Klesh's reasonable post. At least I'm man enough to admit I'm a bit immature and trollish on these forums. Get off your high horse mate, you are just as bad.

You will just have to deal with the fact that Blizzard are giving people who don't like arena, a way to avoid it. Maybe you should go to the suggestions forums over at Blizzard and try to help brainstorm - a way for arenas to work without relying on massive amounts of participants - with others who care about arena as much as you.

It's what I did slash have been doing for a while now. Except that my suggestion (not original but was showing my support for the idea) was to give CP to random BGs. I guess Blizzard does listen sometimes.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Gotcha. Well, let's just hope they pull it off and things improve in the BG/Arena space. I have my doubts but if they hit the right notes, they might actually start seeing some excitement again (beyond Kung Fu Panda, that is).

[Meshuggenah]

glad i dont play anymore they might as well just give the epics away for free. where is the challenge? Anyone can sit in bg's all day semi afk and get good gear. awesome

Welcome to WoW :P Epics haven't been epic since 2007.

[Meshuggenah]

WTB delete post option PST!

[Multibocks]

1000G, firm.

[Eloxy]

pvp is broken a long time in this game :-)

btw. i met a 393 !! (incl.dragonwrath) PVE equiped mage in the 5v5 pool the last week for some games.
took one char out in 3 sec alone, 50k crits on 4k resi.. couldn't believe my logs first until i looked him up in armory.

HMMMMMMM

why isnt there a pvp legendary? xD

"your dots ticks gives you "omgwtfbbq" buff that increase resilience with 50 and damage done with 2%(up to 50 stacks), when struck by an enemy you are healed for 40% of the damage recieved"

[Emo?]

This could be compared to nerfs to PVE instances overtime.

Blizzard put resources into a arena set for example, or PvP set if you would like to call it that.
Now, only 5% of the communitybase (values made up obviously, just for example) get to get full set.
This leads to a problem for blizzard since they want as many people as possible to experience the game they have created.
In this case, i think its a good idea and you can compare it with the PVE part since, you will have your full gear in the end of the season = nothing unfair.

[Eloxy]

any new movie coming out soon emo? To few boxing pvp vids these days ;)

[Emo?]

Hehe, well i have some ideas for 4.3 / S11.

But no release dates yet or anything, prob announce when i start to record.

[Tonuss]

The fact that you expect different considering what they did with Wrath really makes me wonder: What exactly were you expecting?
Kinda wondering this myself. WOW has traditionally run a sort of roller-coaster, where for a while it seems as if Blizzard is promoting the stratification of the player base, then they go to the opposite extreme. WotLK was the first expansion where they skipped the first step and opened up the candy store for everyone, so maybe people really believed that they'd do things differently with Cataclysm.

But Blizzard has ALWAYS been about providing more access for more players. Even Vanilla WOW was a much more accessible game when compared to games like Everquest. Blizzard has been very very keen on making it pretty easy to keep up with the Joneses. I don't understand why, every time they hand out more candy, people seem to be shocked. "OMG they're making it too easy for everyone to get stuff!" Yeah, that's kind of what they've been doing for a good five years now.

The only thing stranger than that reaction will be the inevitable reaction from the self-styled "casuals" who will no doubt complain bitterly about how long it will take to get all the gear, and demanding that Blizzard remove the pre-requisites for weapons and shoulders because they "pay our $15 too!!!!"

[Santa]

I don't like this change because it diminishes my chances of pwning random players in 2 seconds. There are still very much players without a conquest weapon or with a weapon but only few pieces of ruthless gear running on random bgs. These casuals will be getting too much for a too little effort in 4.3.

Atleast 2200 rating weapon item levels should be increased to make more of a difference over tier1.

[valkry]

I don't like this change because it diminishes my chances of pwning random players in 2 seconds. There are still very much players without a conquest weapon or with a weapon but only few pieces of ruthless gear running on random bgs. These casuals will be getting too much for a too little effort in 4.3.

Atleast 2200 rating weapon item levels should be increased to make more of a difference over tier1.
What a shame you are going to have to rely on your skill to pwn noobs instead :(

[Santa]

What a shame you are going to have to rely on your skill to pwn noobs instead :(

I have perfected my wtf pwn rotation a long time ago. Can't get any more ownage out of my current team.

I just hate the fact that it's possible for casuals to overwhelm and kill me easier with their shiny new no effort gear and noob skills. Atleast late in the season that is.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

So for 20% of the season, you won't be able to one-shot noobs.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/wild_catgirl_washu/Ritsu%20Sohma/ritsu08.jpg

[MiRai]

I saw the anime face and I had to throw this in.


Warning: Profanity.
dsx2vdn7gpY

[ebony]

I saw the anime face and I had to throw this in.


Warning: Profanity.
dsx2vdn7gpY

LOL

that is all

[Ughmahedhurtz]

hahaaaa....I love that movie.

[Tonuss]

I just hate the fact that it's possible for casuals to overwhelm and kill me easier with their shiny new no effort gear and noob skills. Atleast late in the season that is.
You are seriously overestimating the amount of skill in the shallow end of the pool. I'm awful at PVP, just awful. And I always have been and probably always will be, since I make little effort to improve. I play smart and am usually helpful, but in straight-up PVP against other players I am slow to react and badly lacking in coordination.

...and I constantly run into players worse than me. Constantly. And no, I'm not underestimating myself. I am bad. They are astoundingly worse.

Anyway, the point is that you'll still be slapping casuals silly from the start to the end of the season. I think that the number of players who will gain enough gear from this change to tip the odds in their favor will be very few. As you note, they made no effort (or very little effort) to get the gear, and it's unlikely that they got any better from the practice. They WILL be more inclined to play, since they believe that those shiny new epics will make them better.

To summarize: all this means is more lambs to the slaughter. Stop worrying, just sharpen your knives and enjoy.

[heyaz]

any new movie coming out soon emo? To few boxing pvp vids these days ;)

I keep dreaming of putting out a spectacular 4x Frost DK pvp video. With the 4x frost DK's I don't have :(

I still check the forums and was surprised how few videos there are. I got the sense people weren't even PVP'ing anymore. Someone make something or I'm going to have to level up 3 more DK's.

[Meshuggenah]

glad i dont play anymore they might as well just give the epics away for free. where is the challenge? Anyone can sit in bg's all day semi afk and get good gear. awesome

That's an odd statement. The challenge is (or should be) playing and winning. If challenge is what you want, you should be happy that more players have the opportunity to gear on even terms so skill can decide who wins, instead of overgearing your opponent.

In fact, the best PvP games I've played are the ones where gear has very little or no impact on your ability to do well.

[Emo?]

Heyaz, i make them for you no problems, another movie inc in S11, thats my plan at least :D

[Nikita]

Same here, gonna make a PvP vid of my shamans ripping ass in arena, BGs, RBGs and wPvP

[ebony]

Same here, gonna make a PvP vid of my shamans ripping ass in arena, BGs, RBGs and wPvP

same

[Eloxy]

same

same but with a twist..

gonna show how my shamans get torn to shreds cuz of their lack of gear xD

[Multibocks]

what a twist!

M Night Shamalamadingdong