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Themopolis

11-09-2011, 09:57 AM

Greetings Themopolis,

I am Protocol Droid J6-R2 and I have received your query regarding Multiboxing.

Please note that Star Wars: The Old Republic have no issues with the use of Multiboxing but please also be aware that we cannot offer any support should problems arise while using 3rd party software.

Sincerely,

Protocol Droid J6-R2
Star Wars: The Old Republic Customer Service

Ellay

11-09-2011, 10:09 AM

Woot, that's awesome :)

EaTCarbS

11-09-2011, 10:34 AM

Good to know for all the people planning on playing!

Apps

11-09-2011, 10:44 AM

Multibocks

11-09-2011, 10:48 AM

Damnit I was hoping they wouldn't allow it. I dont need the temptation -.-

Themopolis

11-09-2011, 11:08 AM

This is an email I received this morning. I've sent customer service several inquiries since pre-orders went live. This is the first concrete response I got.

drarkan

11-09-2011, 01:35 PM

Heh they probably got tired of hearing from you and decided to say yes just to get you to stop! Lol multiboxers have you to thank now for the first legitimate confirmation that multiboxing is allowed! This is good news indeed. after I play solo for a while, I'll cancel two subs in wow and pickup 2 extra subs in star wars! I'd rather play one account to a while first if only to get to know the different classes before paying for more than one account and not know the class mechanics :p

zenga

11-09-2011, 01:58 PM

I think anyone who is gonna multibox swtor should make a substantial donation to Themopolis his/her paypal!!

ps tThemopolis, I'm happy with 20% of what you get for bringing up the idea.

Mosg2

11-09-2011, 04:26 PM

Thank the LAWD!

This is the best news I've gotten in the past month.

Lyonheart

11-09-2011, 05:59 PM

now if can just get 3rd party software working! I would be able to two box this weekend if my dang PC would get here. It has not shipped yet.. will take 5 days to get here 8(

jinkobi

11-09-2011, 07:19 PM

Lax we need you bro! Time to get ISBoxer streamlined for SWTOR awwwww yeah!

Thanks Themopolis. I had an uncle names Theodopolis, lol. I know not the same... We called him Uncle Ted.

ZooljinX

11-10-2011, 02:45 AM

Anyone heard any news if they will drop the 1 client per machine? some people like me have a very limited ammount of money!

Themopolis

11-10-2011, 08:43 AM

Anyone heard any news if they will drop the 1 client per machine? some people like me have a very limited ammount of money!

I piggybacked off of their response to boxing yesterday and asked if they were going to allow more than one client per machine. Hopefully lightning will strike twice (inquisitor humor) and we'll get an answer.

Apps

11-10-2011, 09:14 AM

Anyone heard any news if they will drop the 1 client per machine? some people like me have a very limited ammount of money!

Wait.. if they will drop it?

I must have missed this being the requirement. When did this announcement go out?

Lax

11-10-2011, 09:24 AM

Lax we need you bro! Time to get ISBoxer streamlined for SWTOR awwwww yeah!
I don't have beta access yet

Anyone heard any news if they will drop the 1 client per machine? some people like me have a very limited ammount of money!
ISBoxer works around this limitation for various games, it's probably not a stretch to do it for SWTOR as well if there is such a limit.

moosejaw

11-10-2011, 09:27 AM

For the OP save the email and ticket # in a safe place for future reference. See Khatovar's many boxing inquery tickets for reference.

Apps

11-10-2011, 09:46 AM

I don't have beta access yet

ISBoxer works around this limitation for various games, it's probably not a stretch to do it for SWTOR as well if there is such a limit.

Ive got little interests in playing any type of testing before the game comes out. Been around the block a few times with new MMOs. I have 4 accounts on the hook for a beta key... IF or WHEN I get one, its yours. I see a greateer benefit to you having one, than me.

Lyonheart

11-10-2011, 01:48 PM

Ive got little interests in playing any type of testing before the game comes out. Been around the block a few times with new MMOs. I have 4 accounts on the hook for a beta key... IF or WHEN I get one, its yours. I see a greateer benefit to you having one, than me.

You do not get beta key.. they invite your account. Your email is your beta key. I have a full time beta I'm playing and i got in this weekends with my other account. But its my email and info. so hard to give that out or I would give Lax the extra one.

fcha

11-10-2011, 01:53 PM

It would be great if u can post the "offical reply from custom service" :)

Apps

11-10-2011, 01:56 PM

You do not get beta key.. they invite your account. Your email is your beta key. I have a full time beta I'm playing and i got in this weekends with my other account. But its my email and info. so hard to give that out or I would give Lax the extra one.

Ya, sorry, youre right... See? I trust Lax, and its not like I wont be changing the password for him anyway.. IDC, its just a game. But your point is 100% right. Sorry i wasnt clear there.

Themopolis

11-10-2011, 03:20 PM

It would be great if u can post the "offical reply from custom service" :)

Here's a jpeg of the email.....

Lax

11-11-2011, 05:21 PM

They sent out a bunch of beta invites for a stress test tonight, and I got one. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the offers anyway guys. ;)

Apps

11-11-2011, 06:06 PM

They sent out a bunch of beta invites for a stress test tonight, and I got one. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the offers anyway guys. ;)

Excellent! I got one also.

jinkobi

11-11-2011, 06:49 PM

Awesome Lax! I'm sitting here 15 mins away from the servers going up. Haven't been this excited about something in quite a while. Just wish this migraine headache would go away!

If I'd had an extra there'd been no problem with me trusting Lax either. The dude rocks and is completely reliable. Everybody knows Lax and his solid rep around here.

Mosg2

11-11-2011, 07:00 PM

Lax, I got a weekend beta invite also. Would it help you to have access to two of them?

jinkobi

11-11-2011, 08:56 PM

I am here to QQ... The SWTOR servers are getting so slammed I can't get on! lol. Been waiting 2 hours so far.

Lyonheart

11-11-2011, 09:13 PM

I got kicked off lol.. they sent a bunch of emails out ascendantly. I'm not sure they meant to send that many out. But the stress test is working..its crashing the game nicely lol

Altsoba

11-12-2011, 04:05 AM

They sent out a bunch of beta invites for a stress test tonight, and I got one. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the offers anyway guys. ;)

Gogogo Lax have fun and make us a wizard quick setup for IS ;).

Cheers,
A.

Altsoba

11-12-2011, 12:38 PM

ISBoxer works around this limitation for various games, it's probably not a stretch to do it for SWTOR as well if there is such a limit.

Can it be done on your side or you have to tweak it around on your side?
Would love to know how to do it.

Cheers,
A.

jinkobi

11-12-2011, 05:56 PM

I finally got on last night and the combat is so close to WOW that ISboxer should adapt like a champ.

Great game too. Love the companion system to bits. Guess because I'm a multiboxer at heart, lol. Original KOTOR always reminded me of boxing too.

Eteocles

11-16-2011, 07:08 PM

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=624943 - I'll just leave this here.

Multibocks

11-16-2011, 07:37 PM

Crum1515

11-16-2011, 09:40 PM

yeah, you have to log on with a beta enabled account to read that particular forum.

same multibox QQ, different game

Eteocles

11-20-2011, 03:29 PM

Yup, you should see some of the flak I've taken in other games...just as bad, vicious, and most importantly, stupidly uninformed as ever. "Zomg botters" "Char sellers" etc. When did it become cool to be stupid? Cuz it seems pretty rampant nowadays =\

MiRai

11-20-2011, 04:08 PM

Mercbeast

11-22-2011, 05:58 PM

Weird didn't know you had to log in to view threads on SWTOR.

edit: after a lot of beta play I almost feel like 2 characters with 2 companions would do almost as well as 4 different characters. Not to mention even on my ridiculously fast computer the temp gets up there with just one account. Granted everything is on high, but still...

I'd suggest that 2 characters with 2 companions will do better than 90% of 4 player PUG's! Short of one specific class 4 box (Commando/Mercenary) I think 2 box with at least one healer will also do better than just about any 4 box team. Companion tanks are just that effective.

jinkobi

11-22-2011, 06:08 PM

I'd suggest that 2 characters with 2 companions will do better than 90% of 4 player PUG's! Short of one specific class 4 box (Commando/Mercenary) I think 2 box with at least one healer will also do better than just about any 4 box team. Companion tanks are just that effective.

Yeah man... I could hardly believe how powerful the companions are and mine weren't even skilled up. Not complaining- I love it! Although in all fairness it does make things a bit too easy. I'd rather they buff the mobs than nerf the companions.

In retrospect I feel like Bioware wants to keep SWTOR fairly easy and cater to a much more casual audience.

Eteocles

11-22-2011, 08:03 PM

That would be mostly smart of them, though the way Boss encounters are you won't necessarily want companions - there's alot of actual mechanics to deal with that AI doesn't generally handle, though my group DID kill the Hammer Station final boss with my Companion out after the Sith Marauder we had with us d/c'd(I was tanking as Juggernaught) and it went much better between that and realizing how his mechanics worked ;x

Also MiRai, fair enough, lol, but it's pretty vicious in other games even outside of pvp - usually it's just pvp they get pissy about, but I've had a handful not too long ago that were mad just because I'd have multiple high lvl chars in "one run" instead of doing it one by one...lol

MiRai

11-22-2011, 08:47 PM

Also MiRai, fair enough, lol, but it's pretty vicious in other games even outside of pvp - usually it's just pvp they get pissy about, but I've had a handful not too long ago that were mad just because I'd have multiple high lvl chars in "one run" instead of doing it one by one...lol
You're right, though. Seeing as MMO's are becoming way more popular it's only attracting more
uneducated people to /spit on us.

Mercbeast

11-23-2011, 03:21 AM

Yeah man... I could hardly believe how powerful the companions are and mine weren't even skilled up. Not complaining- I love it! Although in all fairness it does make things a bit too easy. I'd rather they buff the mobs than nerf the companions.

In retrospect I feel like Bioware wants to keep SWTOR fairly easy and cater to a much more casual audience.

The DPS and Healing companions are not nearly as useful, and tanking companions will put out about 20% of the DPS of an actual player that can tank.

What companions give you is essentially a predictable statistically poor player. You know how they are going to behave. You know what their limitations are.

Most of the mechanics I have run into, and I've leveled two teams to 50 now in the real beta, are easily doable by a 2 box team. Boarding Party Imperial Side is actually probably the most difficult instance I have run into and I've run everything from 1-50 Imperial Side including the level 50 flashpoints which I completed at level 47. The final fight on boarding party is pretty difficult without a ranged tank as a 2 boxer due to the mechanics.

Rating the PvE effectiveness of 2 boxing groups is actually not that difficult.

Right now this is how I rank them.

1) Merc/Merc or Commando/Commando. This group literally doesn't need a tank. The Merc/Commando's run very high mitigation levels, and run very high sustained DPS, or insanely high burst DPS. On non-hardmode Flashpoints, starting in your mid-20's you will rarely need a tank for anything. Blizz might be awesome flavor, but Skadge is the superior tank. More on this later.

2) Sorc/Sorc. You will want to run one tank in this group for obvious reasons. However the force pool of Sorc's and the Jedi equivalent are so enormous that combined these two should almost never run out of power while sustaining good DPS AND healing. In the odd situation where you do run OOP, the enormous force pool combined and the pretty decent regeneration rate mean you will only be tapped for a couple of seconds before you can toss that big heal or chain lightning. Khem Val is your first companion and you're not going to find a better companion for Sorc's given the current companion tanking mechanics.

3) Operative/Operative. Like the Sorc's you're going to want to at least one tank. The interesting thing with Operatives is that for shorter higher intensity battles, Sorcerors are going to be a superior healer. However once you turn that battle into an endurance one, Operatives with their 31 point healing talent pull ahead. Operatives and Scoundrels are awesome, however, their DPS at range is not up to par with the other two classes. Better healers than Mercs, and on balance roughly equal with Sorcerors, Operative DPS and burst shines in melee range. There are two drawbacks to this. First you are in AOE harms way. Secondly due to the autofollow mechanic, your secondary character will take one step and then stop to attack at range while your primary character is meleeing away. While not such a huge concern on larger boss fights it becomes incredibly annoying when your secondary operative takes 10 seconds or sometimes longer to finally reach melee combat. You can remove ranged attacks from the secondary characters rotation, but this is not a great work around.

Depending on how healing intensive hardmode flashpoints are, Mercenaries could very well drop into third position with Operatives challenging and perhaps even surpassing Sorcerors as the top two man group in PvE.

To quickly touch on tank companions. Right now tank companions are woeful compared to melee companions. This is based on the current PBAOE mechanic for taunting/debuffing. Basically ranged tanks will fire their debuffs and taunts at range, and these abilities as of ~10 days ago remained centered on the companion. Big problems ensue when the range of these abilities is 10 or 15 meters, and they are engaging enemies at 25 or 30 meters. Basically they don't taunt or debuff. Melee companions don't have this problem since they are firing off these abilities in the face of what they are supposed to tank.

This means Skadge>Blizz, Scorpio>Kaliyo, Khem Val>Xalek from a pure effectiveness stand point. I'd also like to add that Scorpio is INSANELY good with fresh level 50 gear due to how droid itemization is.

eauxfolles

01-24-2012, 08:42 AM

Any update on the follow-up regarding 3rd party software?

Actually I've had a chat with a german speaking GM yesterday. He told me that any 3rd party software which is not "approved" by Bioware should not be used. From my understanding this would also include software allowing to run two clients on one system (I've explained him that I want to use the software to overcome this limitation).

I know that the GMs are not always familiar with Boxing.... so having any other feedback from a GM would be more than welcome for me.

Apps

01-24-2012, 09:12 AM

I have spoken with GM's a few times. Perhaps one comment from one of the GMs I spoke with may clarify what yours told you...

Bioware has no issue with multiboxers. However, Bioware, will not support any help while using a third party software. Any software used must not break the EULA... I.e. no injecting of code, copying of code, altering game client code, etc etc. No automated functions which would allow the user to walk away from the game and continue to play itself.

Khatovar

01-24-2012, 09:16 AM

I've contacted them 3 times now trying to get them to elaborate. And 3 times now they've closed my ticket with a canned "Thanks for your feedback!" response.

Khatovar

01-26-2012, 06:37 AM

Ok, I finally got this vague, yet uninformative response last night - almost a month after my first ticket

Your ticket ID 2634543

Greetings ********,

I am Protocol Droid J7-K0 of Human-Cyborg Relations...

I have received your transmission regarding the use of Macros.

Sorry for the late response.
“We consider “the use of third party software that interferes with the game client” to be a violation of the Terms of Service, however, this is intended for game changing/interfering software and not for things like Skype, iTunes & Co or mouse drivers, keyboard drivers etc.

Please do not hesitate to contact us again if there is anything further we can help you with.

Galactic Support is our specialty...
Sincerely,

Protocol Droid J7-K0 (aka Jens)
Star Wars: The Old Republic Customer Service

Take it however you like. The email I sent contained several very explicit and detailed questions and this kinda, sorta, maybe almost answers part of 1, so....