In game element layout and video feeds [Archive]

Redbeard

10-29-2011, 10:56 AM

Good morning,

So after talking about it in game I started messing around with the video fx feed feature of isboxer and it looks like its going to be super helpful for eve online. I just need to figure out how i am going to lay it out which lead me to start thinking about my current layout.

I am running a pretty simple setup with chat windows in the lower left , overview and gang windows taking up the entire right side of the screen.

I wondered (and honestly ive been playing since 2006 and just never thought about it much) if anybody had a drastically different setup than me.

Does anybody care to share a screenshot of what their in game layout looks like?

If you're using the feeds feature, a screenshot of how you have that setup as well would be sweet.

Just throwing it out there.

tchallawow

10-29-2011, 02:00 PM

Here's a link to some screenshots off the isboxer forums.

http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1226

I'm interested to know application of video feeds for non-farming related events, i.e. incursion etc..

*cough - Kromtor - cough*

Ughmahedhurtz

10-29-2011, 03:46 PM

Getting ready to try this out on missions. Still working on getting the repeater stuff noodled out. I can't really use mouse repeater generally as the clicks will also go to my Noctis. Gotta come up with a good strategy. Looks nice for at-a-glance looks at all the alts, though.

http://www.l00py.net/pics/upload/2011/11/07/pwg_high/20111107014708-4c1efa6b.jpg

tchallawow

10-29-2011, 06:31 PM

I like the direction you're going Ugh.

how do you control direction of your vessel or does it really matter if you've got the same Overview settings display?

Redbeard

10-29-2011, 09:24 PM

Just to give you a heads up.

You have Windows patches to apply.

That is all.

=P

Ughmahedhurtz

10-29-2011, 11:02 PM

I like the direction you're going Ugh.

how do you control direction of your vessel or does it really matter if you've got the same Overview settings display?

I usually just have them orbit my main guy.

Redbeard

10-30-2011, 01:10 AM

Heres what i am going to try for now:

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/3135/evesp.jpg

Duane

10-30-2011, 10:34 AM

Heres what i am going to try for now:

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/3135/evesp.jpg

That's a pretty sweet layout.

tchallawow

10-30-2011, 02:30 PM

I agree Duane. Looks pretty sweet.

Gotta question though, is there any way to have a "follow" command? I'm so used to Jamba and follow type commands in WOW that I don't or didn't even really think about it.

Secondly, how about mission question sharing?

Thanks. Great thread folks, I'm learning quite a bit by poring over the screenshots.

Redbeard

10-30-2011, 03:07 PM

There isnt the same sort of follow command per se. But you can right click on a ship and choose to "keep at X range"... you can also choose to orbit another ship. I am not sure if these are hot keyable or not, ive always just clicked it.

Missions are also different. One character gets a mission. He doesnt share it. However, he can bring other people to help him (as many as he wants). When you turn in the mission you have the option to share your rewards with the other people in your gang or not. So its pretty easy to share the rewards etc.

Kromtor

10-30-2011, 07:05 PM

there actually is a type of follow command. on your main guy, assuming he's squad/wing/fleet leader you can click the top left fleet icon and click regroup. this has all the other ships in your fleet either approach or orbit you super close. keep your main guy in motion and they'll stay in motion following you - it's not ideal for all situations but it can save you a lot of clicks when you're trying to converge on a gate or just ball up for whatever reason.

Redbeard

10-31-2011, 12:14 AM

Ok so found out you can move the targetting panel and also decided i wanted to pursue some golems after all, so that presented some problems for my first setup.

Here is setup 2.0
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/3782/eve2m.jpg

Benefits over the last setup:

- Moved all the pertinent stuff to one compact rectangular area. I now have 1 video feed for each character instead of 3. Not sure if there is a performance consideration here but it was sure easier to setup.
- Was able to remove stargates and stations from the overview. This is a personal preference but I dont like all that junk spamming my overview. Since there is more "white space" in my rectangle i can right click and choose the station / gate i want to go to just like i do now on my main screen.
- Instead of relying on watch list I can now see the full stats for each character including their cap which is pretty important. For those of you who dont play this lets me know when somebody who isnt fitted with a permatank setup is about to run out of gas to run his/her defensive modules. The other benefit is you have to manually setup watch list each time you fleet up. Now I dont.
- The targetting pane video feed wasnt very accurate. I am not sure whether it wouldve sufficiently shown 5 targets (which is the max for the ships i am flying right now). I have also accounted enough space for my 2 pilots who are moving towards golems to show all 10 targets (if they happen to have that many).
- Separate screen area / space for separate ship types. My three pilots on the right side of the screen will be flying tengus and focusing on death and destruction. My two ships on the left will also be salvaging. The physical separation will hopefully help me mentally.
- Provided additional overview space for my two pilots who will be looting / salvaging. This will allow me to turn off wrecks in the overview for the pilots on the right who dont care about them (and have a smaller visible overview) and turn it on for the 2 on the left who have a large overview visible.

Thats all I got. Bam.

Ughmahedhurtz

10-31-2011, 02:23 AM

I have an idea in mind for tomorrow evening. Should clean things up combined with the tip about realigning the target panel vertically. I'll sleep on it and see if anything else comes to mind.

Redbeard

10-31-2011, 07:19 AM

Cant wait to see it.

Ughmahedhurtz

11-04-2011, 01:59 AM

Round 2.
The second monitor is primarily there for more precise targeting to make sure they're not shooting things they shouldn't be. Target broadcasting just doesn't work very well in EVE with no assist and the way targets change position in the list. I've (for now) adopted the strategy of using broadcast for targeting a bunch of ships (they're close enough in the list to just mass target everything, which is usually the biggest time-waster IMO) and then I verify individual targets and start shooting on each one. With the layout below it's pretty damned trivial to do, especially with the video feeds setup to pass clicks and keys through to the source windows. :D

http://www.l00py.net/pics/upload/2011/11/07/pwg_high/20111107014710-08d5ace5.jpg

RobinGBrown

11-04-2011, 04:26 PM

Yeah that looks just about perfect. I was doing some experimenting with key broadcasting a while back and with that and being able to click through to the underlying windows you should have everything you need.

Shame I've stopped playing in a way but them's the breaks. My ikkle laptop wouldn't run more than one instance anyways.

Ughmahedhurtz

11-06-2011, 12:52 AM

Just for the benefit of folks seeing the screenshot above and wondering what I'm doing with that:

My ISBoxer config: http://www.privatepaste.com/dcba94bc5c (updated 3-19-2013 for +1year)

Things worth noting:

1) I started with your basic 4-man group with 1 alt on the other PC, then moved all 5 to the main. I used the wizard to create it, and selected "Stacked fullscreenish, no swap, avoid taskbar" I think for the window layout.

2) The dxNothing window is just a blank canvas for putting videoFX viewer feeds. (http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1222)

3) I use TAB to turn on global mouse-repeater while held down for clicking certain things. Easier than remembering to turn it back off after using it.

4) I use my thumb button on my mouse to turn on mouse-repeater just for the DPS guys when I want to target things. This allows all modifiers regardless of FTL or other keymap-based modifiers. Setup an Action Target Group with the name, then you can set the repeater target to "dps" or whatever so it only goes to those guys.

5) Because the window layout is stacked, no-swap, you'll need a keybind to switch the main windows for each guy into focus when needed. Up to you which keys to use.

6) Make sure you set your window layout option for "Focus game windows via mouse..." so when you mouseover to the dxNothing and other feeds, it automagically starts sending the keys/clicks immediately. Otherwise you'll have to click it each time you switch before things start working.

For the videoFX stuff, I just switch to each of the 5 DPS guys and add two videoFX sources, one for the target list and one for the modules/shield/etc. Make them the same size and location on each character (the feeds won't be full-size unless all the windows are full-size, thus the "Stacked, no-swap, full-screenish, avoid taskbar layout). Once you have the viewers all set up, go to the dxNothing window on the other monitor and add the videoFX viewers for each of the 4 alts. THen add the 4 viewers to your main character's window for the modules/shield/etc. and that's about it. Just remember what you saved the videoFX stuff as (I named mine "drakes") so you can then load/unload them by pressing a key if desired. This is useful so you can hide them while you're in station to get them out of the way of market and other windows.

Hope that helps. ;) Let me know if you have any questions.

tchallawow

11-06-2011, 08:19 PM

Ughma,

Are you using both the Main + Noctis and Alt Character Sets for the above screen or just 1 of them?

Ughmahedhurtz

11-07-2011, 12:27 AM

The screenshot only shows the main+noctis character set (which is reallly misnamed now since the noctis is on the alt PC and the 5th DPS is on the main PC. :P

tchallawow

11-07-2011, 03:43 AM

ah. understood.

Well.. I've got my video feeds working. but.. how do I "pass through". Example: I'm on my Monitor one w/ Toon 1. Without switching toons, i.e. cntrl f2, cntrl f3 (or however you have it setup), i want to hit a missile on toons 2 - 3 through the video feed I setup on toon 1.

Make sense?

Ughmahedhurtz

11-07-2011, 04:56 AM

You need two things for that to work well in the dual-monitor setup I posted above:

1) Set your Window Layouts --> Your layout --> "Focus game windows via mouse without clicking (Focus follows mouse)" This will allow the other monitor to gain focus immediately when you mouse over to it instead of having to click it each time first before it sends keys/clicks.

2) For each feed you want to pass keys/clicks through:
A) enable "Repeater passthru,"
B) enable "+ Keyboard"
C) Set the "Target" dropdown to the original window where the source is located (for is2, set to "2", etc.)
http://www.l00py.net/pics/upload/2011/11/07/pwg_high/20111107014705-989d1ddc.jpg

Lax

11-07-2011, 07:37 AM

Hey guys, cool stuff :) Love seeing your ideas

I dunno if you saw it but I posted recently about "Something new" in the General forum (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=45701), and I think people would really like to see your screenshots! I'm the only one who posted EVE stuff so far ;)

Try it out, add your characters and teams if you want, this should hopefully replace "who plays what where" threads like the sticky in this forum

Ughmahedhurtz

11-07-2011, 03:18 PM

I would, but I host my own images and can't link them there.

Lax

11-07-2011, 03:23 PM

You can link them there now

Ughmahedhurtz

11-07-2011, 04:00 PM

Nice. Thanks. :)

Now I've gotta figure out how to video capture 3200x1200 so I can show off how good this works running missions and warping around the universe. :p

MiRai

11-07-2011, 07:06 PM

Nice. Thanks. :)

Now I've gotta figure out how to video capture 3200x1200 so I can show off how good this works running missions and warping around the universe. :p
I tried using Camtasia to capture either 1920x2160 or 3840x1080 and it didn't like it. It was quite awhile
ago and I don't remember how I had my monitors set up at the time. I tried to export the video to AVI
instead of editing it in Camtasia and I couldn't get another program to successfully read the video file. I'll
be honest... I didn't put much into trying to get it to work with such a big resolution at the time so it might
be worth another shot. This was pre-Xsplit as well and I don't know if that might be a better choice at this
time.

Ughmahedhurtz

11-07-2011, 07:15 PM

CamStudio seems to work OK, though I have no idea how it will look generating 1080p video. It recorded OK but my monitor isn't big enough to display it at native resolution (funny, I can record that but I can't watch it due to limitations in Media Player...go figure).

/wanders off to think about how to best present things....

d0z3rr

11-07-2011, 10:31 PM

I have 4 of my clients on a separate computer. Would I be able to use this Feeds feature and control Eve clients on the other computer from my main computer?

Lax

11-08-2011, 07:02 AM

I have 4 of my clients on a separate computer. Would I be able to use this Feeds feature and control Eve clients on the other computer from my main computer?
It's currently same PC only

d0z3rr

11-08-2011, 01:57 PM

Dang. Are there any features of ISboxer that work across multiple PCs?

If Feeds did, I would snag ISboxer asap (is it even possible?). Just wondering what else would work, though.

Lax

11-08-2011, 02:04 PM

Dang. Are there any features of ISboxer that work across multiple PCs?

If Feeds did, I would snag ISboxer asap (is it even possible?). Just wondering what else would work, though.
That's actually one of the only features that wont work on multiple PCs ;)

It is technically possible, and planned but no ETA. Hopefully in 2012.

d0z3rr

11-08-2011, 02:35 PM

But the world will end in 2012.

Yeahhhh, if you could speed that along that would be grrrrrreat. In fact, I'm gonna need you to work on it this Saturday, oh and Sunday too. Mmkay?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3446/3874634702_f217c944da.jpg

Ughmahedhurtz

11-09-2011, 02:45 AM

So, I actually got the chance to record some video of the setup last night in Enemies Abound 5/5. Wow does this shit work guuuud. Blows things up pronto. :D

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?p=348585

tchallawow

11-09-2011, 11:49 AM

tks for the great video. I'm picking up some great combat tips as well as layout. When getting my Vid fx feeds setup, i didn't provide enough room Drones.

As an aside, is there an option for hotkey, rather than mouseover, for drone management? I see that drone commands are one of the few "combat" related hotkeys/ shortcuts that is available. So shortcuts plus Isboxer equals ??

Ughmahedhurtz

11-09-2011, 05:20 PM

Yes, there are hotkeys for drone management but I'm not sure what options are available. I've been doing very well with the mouse broadcasting so far and my experience with keyboard commands did not inspire confidence.

Grondir

01-30-2012, 01:17 PM

d0z3rr

01-30-2012, 04:06 PM

Now that I finally got video fx and repeater regions working in WoW, I'm super excited to get back to multiboxing eve. Those two features of isboxer is going to make my life so much easier.

Ughmahedhurtz

01-30-2012, 07:22 PM

Now after watching that video feed and seeing how it all 'works' I think I'll pick up ISBoxer again and have a go. Ugh, is there a step by step guide of how you did the setup in your video? I've completely forgotten everything about ISBoxer and am going to struggle how to start up again lol

Hmm...I thought I did put one in there. Lemme see if I can find it.

[edit] Nope, didn't put steps for setting up the feeds. The blank window (dxNothing) for adding feeds from all the windows is here: http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1222

In a nutshell, what you do is switch to the window/client you want to see a feed FROM, open the in-game GUI, add a videofx source named isSomething, apply it and save as Auto. Then go to your main window/client where you want to put the feed, open the in-game GUI, add a videofx viewer named isSomething, size/position it, apply and save as Auto. If your viewer is bigger than your source, that will just show more of the source window. If your viewer is smaller than your source, it will shrink the source down, making text harder to read, etc.

If you need more info, let me know and I'll write up something more detailed.

[ninja_edit] Why reinvent the wheel? Basically, use this as your starting point (basic videofx setup works the same no matter which game you're using):
6qHo0FTuGV0

Grondir

01-31-2012, 03:09 AM

Cheers matey, I'll give it a go at the weekend and see how I manage :)

Ughmahedhurtz

01-31-2012, 03:33 AM

Good luck. PM me if you hit any snags.

Golum

02-01-2012, 10:02 PM

d0z3rr

02-02-2012, 12:55 PM

Youre layouts look amazing i started the trial yesteday and cant understend how you do those lay outs.
I mean i can set up the regular lay out (like one screen in midle and 4 on the side) but cant set them up like you do whith those FX stuff where you see small windows of mods and overvieuw only from each caracter.
If someone of you could make video from start to the and i bet it will help many of us starters in great vay.

If you do make videos to explain how you do it ty in advance.

This video helped a little bit:
http://isboxer.com/index.php/component/content/article/3-general/100-mirai-video-feed-walkthrough

But mostly it was a lot of confusion, eye strain, excessive cursing, and alcohol that allowed me to set them up successfully.

Golum

02-03-2012, 01:26 AM

This video helped a little bit:
http://isboxer.com/index.php/component/content/article/3-general/100-mirai-video-feed-walkthrough

But mostly it was a lot of confusion, eye strain, excessive cursing, and alcohol that allowed me to set them up successfully.

ty so much that did the trick now is q. of experiment.

Ughmahedhurtz

02-03-2012, 02:54 AM

If you don't have it already, make sure you update to ISBoxer 40. Several videoFX features (like cropping, etc.) got added that should help you tweak things to your liking.

Kaytek

02-25-2012, 04:50 PM

...

MiRai

02-25-2012, 05:37 PM

Hey guys,

Been horsing around with Isboxer lately. Sorted out the whole Video FX thing. It's pretty simple once you hammer your head on the desk a few times, though the real kicker is remembering to save your layout so that you don't have to recreate it every time...

Anyway, regarding head to desk banging, I can't seem to wrap my head around doing a 'selective' or 'restricted' repeater key. Basically I want to hold down a key (or press an on/off toggle key) that gets the mouse/keyboard repeater thing going only on my dps toons. For the moment I've only got 2 dps battleships and a logi. I realize in hindsight that I could have just used Isboxer for the 2 dps toons and opened a single EVE client normally for the logi but that just doesn't seem as fun now does it? :P

While trying to figure this selective repeater thing, I did manage to create an 'Action Target Group' where I stuck my two dps toons into. I tried some other stuff with the mapped keys but it was too much of a mess to understand. In the end it didn't work :/ Can anyone explain the process please?

Cheers,

Kajtek
You're asking a repeater specific question in a thread related to video feeds.
http://isboxer.com/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_broadcast_only_to_certain_windows.2C_ and_leave_out_others.3F

Kaytek

02-25-2012, 06:00 PM

Thanks MiRai. Sorry for the derp >.<

PsyberTech

03-13-2012, 09:37 PM

I have been working to get something up like Ughmahedhurtz has, but with 7 drakes. Finding room for everything is fun, but I have been having problems with VideoFX and dxNothing wondows and getting them to work and continue to work. Working with 3 24" monitors.

Ughmahedhurtz

03-13-2012, 11:27 PM

What are they doing, exactly? Remember that you have to save the layout as "auto" (or whatever you want to name them) after every edit to make sure they all load when you log in next time. Strictly speaking, you just have to save layout in each game client window (and the dxNothing window) once when you're done editing.

If it's not named "auto" when you save, you'll have to add a mapped key event to explicitly load whatever name you used when you saved. I've used both auto and a custom name (so I could shut off parts of the videoFX when I'm doing certain things) and I've never had any issues as long as I remembered to save often and load the custom-named layouts when I want them to appear.

[edit] To reiterate, saving your layout in one game client window does NOT save the layout in the other game clients or in the dxNothing window. You MUST save within each window explicitly. (Unless Lax has changed that in the recent versions)

Lax

03-14-2012, 10:12 AM

The Save As button, in all of the tabs in the in-game ISBoxer Control Panel, saves for your entire team. If you have to go to each one and click Save As, then you're either confused or there's a bug. I'm sure it's the former, since I've never ever ever switched to each window to save. :)

Also, you can actually use the Load button in the in-game GUI as well if you have some set of Video FX that you rarely use and don't want to set/remember a Hotkey for.

leroyreborn

03-16-2012, 07:02 PM

Ughmahedhurtz

03-16-2012, 07:09 PM

how did you make that black space on the right to put all the video feeds in with out covering up a game window..

http://isboxer.com/wiki/DxNothing

leroyreborn

03-16-2012, 07:45 PM

http://isboxer.com/wiki/DxNothing

sweet thanks that did the trick.. nothing i was doing for search was coming up with what i wanted

Ughmahedhurtz

03-16-2012, 09:09 PM

sweet thanks that did the trick.. nothing i was doing for search was coming up with what i wanted
heh...glad to help. I hope this doesn't sound snarky, but I did mention this up in post 17 (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45642-In-game-element-layout-and-video-feeds?p=348377&viewfull=1#post348377) when explaining exactly what I was doing. ;)

moog

07-03-2012, 06:00 PM

Started 2-boxing in Eve today and, thanks to this thread, have a nice dual screen setup going, so thanks everyone.

One question - how do you get the dxNothing window to terminate when you finish playing and close (both) Eves?

Ughmahedhurtz

07-03-2012, 11:26 PM

One question - how do you get the dxNothing window to terminate when you finish playing and close (both) Eves?

I always just left it running or closed it manually if I was planning to play a single-player game. Modern PCs won't even notice it's there as it's not consuming any noticeable resources if you're not doing anything with it.

MrKizz

06-25-2013, 07:54 AM

Heres what i am going to try for now: snipped for brevity...

I have IsBoxer and InnerSpace, both downloaded 20th June 2013, set up with a great deal of help from the often absent LAX (joe). I am running level 3 and level 4 missions in Eve-online with just Two Characters. What a Blooming Nightnmare the set up is. I find that if the screens are not aligned to the pixel, clicking the screen can result in mis-targeting, shooting at your alt or destroying the item your trying to collect to complete a mission.

I have one character per screen, so two screens for my two characters. I 'wish' for placeable icon on my primary screen that would instruct the secondary screen. Example, Targeting. If I broadcast target with character one, I then after broadcasting the intended target, I have to switch on 'Broadcast Keys', click on the Fleet Broadcast area and click again to get both chars to identify the target to be locked onto and to initiate target lock. Next, when lock is established, in 'broadcast keys on', select the weapons to fire, select drones and then launch drones then tell drones which target to attack, then switch Broadcast keys off.

If my second ship starts to take damage, or runs low on missiles or has a drone geting damaged, focusing on that task plus the task of knowing when Broadcast Keys is active becomes a soul destroyer. Dual Boxing level 4 missions, using ISBoxer is a challenge I wish at time I had never started. I spoke to Joe on the Forums, Joe being the creator if IsBoxing and InnerSpace and he confirmed the two programs were written years apart from each other and probably dont jive well all the time.

I do realise, he has made so many updates and additions, there are hundreds of options, choices, settings and widgets available that many players never even get around to using, but out-of-the-box, setting up in Eve is frightening. The 24 hour help described on the internet for ISBoxer doesnt exist, if joe needs to leave for the kids or something, you are left soloing it without any qualified help at all, not what you expect when you buy a product from a business that boasts tech support.

TBH, there are many users haunting the IsBoxer forum on IRC that could give help, but all too often I hear, 'sorry mate, I only play WoW, but it should work ok' in otherwords, the chat forum on IRC is a hangout for many players, most of which are not looking at it all the time and will probably never see your plea for help, and of those that do look, don't know your play, your game or the magnitude of the help you need. When Joe is there, the support is often pretty good. He does rely upon users sucking up every tutorial, video, you tube account and external resource before he actually tells you things that matter. 'Go to the Wiki and see the tutorial' is often not the Tech Support I expect after playing a company for a product.

It should be easy. Many times, I watch a you tube resource only to see how well another player is doing something, it's not instructional, its a self-boast. If that player is 'ratting', it bears little or no influence on my need to do missoning, so being sent to YouTube is often a complete waste of time.

I looked at your image, and I see that you have 'segments' of other screens on the main screen you are paying, that seems to make sense, but how I put that in English so that Joe understands what I need to do is beyond me.

Are there any others using IsBoxer to run Missions with two or more characters, or am I in a world of my own???

Sounds like a palaver, I disagree, It's a Nightmare.

TL;DR How do your get little windows from other screens to show in the right place on your main screen, Is that from IsBoxer/InnerSpace or another utility.

moog

06-25-2013, 09:41 AM

Are there any others using IsBoxer to run Missions with two or more characters, or am I in a world of my own???

Sorry to hear that you're having so much trouble enjoying the benefits of ISBoxer :(

I run a 5-man PVE team (missions and anomolies) and a 10-man mining team on a single PC with two monitors.
I run all 5/10 full screen stacked on the left hand monitor and just have a dxNothing window on the right hand monitor with video feeds of what I need to know at a glance.

Like this...
http://s10.postimage.org/efvc296nd/Multi_Boxing_Setup.jpg

and detailed screen shots from when I was *only* 9-box mining:

When docked, I just have 9 miniature full-screen video feeds on the right hand monitor, like this...
http://s13.postimage.org/me6nvk153/Docked.jpg

As soon as I launch, I press a key and swap to the mining video feeds, which you can see here...
http://s14.postimage.org/x7svbq7i9/Mining.jpg

On the main screen I have local and the overview.
On the right hand screen I can see everyone's shields at a glance, make sure all the mining lasers are active and check the status of their ore bays.

You're more interested in missions, so here's an old screenshot of my 5-drakes shooting things...
http://s16.postimage.org/ktglvpfyt/PVE.jpg

Again, all 5 clients are stacked on the left screen and I use F1-F5 to select which char I'm currently driving with.
Right hand monitor has video feeds showing the ship modules/controls, drones and targets.
The green lights are something I use to indicate which client has broadcasting on - I've lost count of how many times I've spammed the corp channel with all my clients!!!

Although Eve lacks the complexity of, say, WoW, with no macros etc, it actually makes it a lot easier to setup - just get each client with identical window layouts and just toggle broadcast on/off.

To get all clients setup identical, follow this... http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4208&p=18446#p18446
I rarely have a mis-targetting incident now but you could go further and use the new tagging shortcut they added recently... http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4208&p=18613#p18613

With the above setups, I've 5-boxed L1-4 missions and am currently 5-boxing anomolies in null with a fleet of Typhoons.
Whilst my new high-sec team trains up, I'm 2-boxing L4 missions with a Rattlesnake and a salvaging Algos follower.

It can all work extremely well - keep perservering!

moog

06-25-2013, 10:11 AM

Hmm, just re-read your post and I have to take issue with this middle section...

I do realise, he has made so many updates and additions, there are hundreds of options, choices, settings and widgets available that many players never even get around to using, but out-of-the-box, setting up in Eve is frightening. The 24 hour help described on the internet for ISBoxer doesnt exist, if joe needs to leave for the kids or something, you are left soloing it without any qualified help at all, not what you expect when you buy a product from a business that boasts tech support.

TBH, there are many users haunting the IsBoxer forum on IRC that could give help, but all too often I hear, 'sorry mate, I only play WoW, but it should work ok' in otherwords, the chat forum on IRC is a hangout for many players, most of which are not looking at it all the time and will probably never see your plea for help, and of those that do look, don't know your play, your game or the magnitude of the help you need. When Joe is there, the support is often pretty good. He does rely upon users sucking up every tutorial, video, you tube account and external resource before he actually tells you things that matter. 'Go to the Wiki and see the tutorial' is often not the Tech Support I expect after playing a company for a product.

I have *never* had such amazing support for any software product from any size company as I have from ISBoxer!
For the peanuts you pay (compare it to the cost of your multiple game accounts!) it is fucking amazing value for money and to get the level of support which we do is amazing!

MrKizz

06-25-2013, 12:35 PM

Thank you Moog for an amazing reply and an close up of your view, It has me spurred on to re-look at DxNothing, am at the wiki now looking at how to set it up.

For support, if a Company takes my money for a product and promises me support, then that is what I want, it should not be a lottery when you ask for support to be told, 'he's not here, he is doing something at home', come on, if you offer support, the least you can do is arrange a co-worker or other person as your standby if you have to leave. I ran my own POS business out of Tampa FL and I know what support means to your customer base. It's a lifeline.

When Joe has been there to give support, he has been a star and I have no complaint there, but when he is not there, and for me that seems like most of the time, it sucks to be me.

When I first looked at IsBoxer, I felt it was the answer I was looking for, but the 'out-of-the-box' experience was a nightmare. Now you have shared your set-up and given me a few more clues, I think it still might be the answer I am looking for.

I run two characters because I have two screens, but I feel I could be doing five if the set up is right, and your's looks pretty darn good.

Thank you for your help Moog and thank you for countering a critisism I made, I may be wrong, with any luck I am.

Reading the wiki now to see about DxNothing....

moog

06-25-2013, 01:22 PM

Glad it has spurred you on.

Why don't I export my 5-box configuration and send it to you - PM me your email address - as that would give you a place to start... the video feeds might not be in exactly the right place but you can tweak it to what you want.

Eve really is a lot easier to get up and running with ISBoxer, short of WoW.

ha - just realised that's me in post #55 on this thread, when I started Eve boxing last year - come a long way in Eve since then :)

MrKizz

06-25-2013, 01:23 PM

How do you get the abbreeviated views on the right hand screen. I have followed the wiki on setting up dxNothing and have nothing like that, Main screen is one character and second character is a very small windows on the second screen. I must be missing something here.

MrKizz

06-25-2013, 01:44 PM

Moog
you said "Again, all 5 clients are stacked on the left screen and I use F1-F5 to select which char I'm currently driving with.
Right hand monitor has video feeds showing the ship modules/controls, drones and targets.
The green lights are something I use to indicate which client has broadcasting on - I've lost count of how many times I've spammed the corp channel with all my clients!!!"

how do you get the video feeds onto the right hand monitor? Is that another peice of software or part of IsBoxer?
Thanks in advance .

Grondir

06-25-2013, 01:51 PM

Open the isboxer GUI in game and create
vfx sources over the things you want to see, give everything a unique name. Then save as 'auto'. Do this for all your characters. Then go to the 'dxnothing' screen, open the GUI and load in all the vfx viewers that you require

moog

06-25-2013, 02:21 PM

I've just emailed you my 5-box config - extract the files where instructed in the mail and you should see exactly what I have set up... you can then tweak it to your desire.

But to answer the question, dxNothing is part of ISBoxer - you'll see in the config when you load it into the ISBoxer toolkit that there are characters EVE-PVE-01 to 05 and a dxNothing character, which gets loaded into slot 6 and runs on the right hand monitor in my setup.

dxNothing then hosts the video feeds - you define source windows on each of the 5 clients (identical windows in this case) and then have a viewer window on the dxNothing for each source feed

If you've loaded up my config, go to one of the clients and press ctrl-shift-alt-g to toggle the GUI on and you will see all of the video feed source windows for that client - do that same on the dxNothing window and you will see the viewer windows

Ughmahedhurtz

06-25-2013, 04:11 PM

I'm pretty sure there's a series of steps in here somewhere that explains how to set up DXNothing in EVE specifically and how some of us have used it to show just the parts of the main windows that we want to see. For example:

Do you understand what this post is talking about? http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45642-In-game-element-layout-and-video-feeds?p=348377&viewfull=1#post348377
How about this post? http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45642-In-game-element-layout-and-video-feeds?p=348437&viewfull=1#post348437
If not, this post explains how I did my setup: http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45642-In-game-element-layout-and-video-feeds?p=354632&viewfull=1#post354632

There's a lot of information out there. Have patience and make sure you understand each individual concept before you try to put it all together in dangerous space. ;)

Grondir

06-25-2013, 04:25 PM