Lax, might wanna respond to this

[Knytestorme]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3341758633

This is from a Blue



Correct. Having your character do something on a key press and another action on the release would exceed that one action per key press guideline.


And this is obviously from a Tim alt



Pwnboxer does not perform this automation and was written specifically to abide by the rules. It is also likely the most used software to multibox in WoW, possibly more than all combined. To give you some perspective, the author of Pwnboxer was also the CEO of Wowhead.

IS Boxer appears to perform this automation (it allows 2 actions per 1 keystroke) so it would appear to violate the rules as the Blizzard rep above has just explained it, and such violation could probably get you banned (according to the EULA/TOS, violating the rules can result in account termination). To give you some perspective, the author of IS Boxer is tied to botting software and gold farming.

[MiRai]

And this is obviously from a Tim alt
Sounds exactly like Tim. I wrote out an entire post on my thoughts and how I felt about all of this but,
after re-reading it it was ultimately a post making fun of Tim so... I deleted it because I'm not here to
start drama.

For everyone:

It comes down to this, what was said in that thread was taken out of context. You can either believe
what I say or not. I'm not going to go through another thread like this when this topic has been beaten
into the ground. The post/reply in question continues to use the word automation (as if there is any
automation happening), holds PB on a pedestal, and straight up bashes Lax as if he's a terrible person.
If anyone doesn't feel comfortable using such a feature that ISBoxer offers, then don't. Any Mapped Key
that is currently set up to take advantage of the press/release can easily be converted into 2 steps.
Bottom line, no one is getting banned for using ISBoxer/Inner Space. It's as simple as that.

[Knytestorme]

Any Mapped Key
that is currently set up to take advantage of the press/release can easily be converted into 2 steps.

I think this is the most important part to take out of it all, at least as far as I'm concerned.

We know that it's been a bone of contention at times between Rob and Lax and I believe now that there is a blue post specifically stating that an alternate down/release sequence is not allowed we need to make sure anyone using IS in WoW is aware and pushed towards using steps instead.

Don't think Lax should remove that feature obviously, since IS is used for more games than WoW, but on the WoW side any help offered should talk about it in the same way as we talk about using the macro facilities offered by keyboards and mice now.

[ebony]

this has got me into drama before with lax and tim's silly "One Button = One Action Per Window"

at the end of the day the if i set there with my had pressing all the mumpad at once am going to press a lot of keys same thing u can do it even with so call his software like what MiRai said u do not have to use it.

But blizzard looking for "One Button" "One Action" NOT "One Button" "One Key Press" this is what i been told when i asked about that and Goble cooldown and cooldown spells. (as it can be done in the in game marcio system its just a def way to do it)

Lax Does know what he can and can not do when he was adding video feeds he got it checked out before we used it and to be fair we not talking about opening a ticket to some random desk guy that reads what the screen says in front of him his gone down the guys that have the real power over the game.

tim just asks Game masters i know this becouse his done it on his live stream a few times to get this point over.

At the end of the day just becouse its blue does not meen they know it all they know what there told and what they feel is a easy way to put it.

Av been useing this system over a year on my deathkights and i been reported a hell of a lot in Bg's arana world pvp. no ban no nothing HELL i even played with a Gamemaster standing right infront of my in a dungon before and he was watching my deathkights just nuked stuff down and Nothing has been said to me EVER!

{{Changed some (stuff) am not 100% sure on))

[Shodokan]

I think this is the most important part to take out of it all, at least as far as I'm concerned.

We know that it's been a bone of contention at times between Rob and Lax and I believe now that there is a blue post specifically stating that an alternate down/release sequence is not allowed we need to make sure anyone using IS in WoW is aware and pushed towards using steps instead.

Don't think Lax should remove that feature obviously, since IS is used for more games than WoW, but on the WoW side any help offered should talk about it in the same way as we talk about using the macro facilities offered by keyboards and mice now.

Alternating has nothing wrong.... you press 1 button it does one thing, you press it again it does another. Regardless that one key press is only doing 1 thing.

[Emo?]

From what i can read in the thread its against the rules to have a spell casted on keypress and one on release, but since there is a Global CD in WoW and ISboxer doesnt remove it (so even if u whant to press 2 spells in one press+release, there is only 1 that will go off because of the GCD, there is nothing wrong really.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I guess you can do a check on the down and see if a spell is available and if its not then cast the default spell on the up ... not sure though.

I guess you can't cast a spell buff on the down and then cast a spell on the up ....

I wasn't using the up/down feature of IsBoxer but was planing to but I guess Ill abondon that plan.....

Its not like you will lose much, people can press a key twice very quicly.

I don't see where this feature has any effect on IsBoxer desireability.


Almost every programable keyboard has delays which are against the rules yet has anyone every heard of anyone getting banned for delays in keyboard macros?

[Oatboat]

I can push 5 buttons at once with my hand...... no software needed.... it doesnt mean 5 spells go off.... you are still limited by the global cooldown.

[Lyonheart]

Well I guess you can do a check on the down and see if a spell is available and if its not then cast the default spell on the up ... not sure though.

I guess you can't cast a spell buff on the down and then cast a spell on the up ....

I wasn't using the up/down feature of IsBoxer but was planing to but I guess Ill abondon that plan.....

Its not like you will lose much, people can press a key twice very quicly.

I don't see where this feature has any effect on IsBoxer desireability.


Almost every programable keyboard has delays which are against the rules yet has anyone every heard of anyone getting banned for delays in keyboard macros?


Yes, I know someone who got banned for using a G15 to do something. I'm not sure what he used it for but when he got banned he said the only thing he did wrong was use his G15 to do some "nifty" macros.

[Kedash00]

yes g15 software will allow you to macro a ton of things, i had once used it to make a macro to where i would press G1 and my priest would target a mob, cast 4 or 5 spells and kill it, loot it, and go on to the next, yes that was WRONG and i stopped doing it when i found out it was considered automation.
This was way before i was boxing though.

On a side note, it looks like Tim's post was deleted from that forum, i dont see it there anymore unless i just completely looked over it.

I dont know who that is but from that post he sounds like a real douche, we get enough heat, why would you throw another boxer under the bus like that? i dont get it.

[defactoman]

I can't find the part your talking about - looks like the blue edited the "advertisement"

[drarkan]

I've posted on the forums over there stating for tim to stop spreading lies about ISBoxer just last week. It makes me sick how ignorant he is. Bottom line is there needs to be counters to his blatant ignorant attacks on ISBoxer by clarifying them. I've done so on MB.com and they don't get deleted, I just hope people don't fall for this looser's lies.

[Lyonheart]

lol the BLUE edited his psot with this

[While multi-boxing is permitted, keep in mind that it is not a supported method of play. This includes not allowing the advertisement of programs that assist in multi-boxing. :) ~Vrakthris.

[Igg]

Since I no longer play wow it doesn't really matter concerning bliz.

But for YEARS, both my wife and use the merc stealth keyboard (officially licensed by Blizzard btw), I've used the auto repeat feature where holding one one key would make it repeat at 0ms delay rate.

For years they've never said a thing or do a damn thing to us about it.

[Svpernova09]

As I expected Blues came out and said exactly what needed to be said.

Lax shouldn't reply to these kinds of threads. This is typical Tim being Tim. This is nothing new for those of us who have been around this community for a good bit. (get off my lawn).

Love him or hate him he's doing the guerrilla style marketing that he has to simply because he has the inferior product. You don't see Lax resorting to these methods simply because his product (and this community that largely uses it) speaks volumes, damn near encyclopedias about how well Lax's product is.

If you use Pwnboxer (or ANYTHING else for that matter) and you're happy with it, that's great. When you're ready to get rid of your multiboxing training wheels let us know and we'll get you a 7 day trial of ISBoxer asap. That's not Lax paying me to say that, that's not me pushing ISBoxer down anyone's throat. That's me letting you know I'm using the best multiboxing software available and you're not. But if you're happy with what you've got, by all means I'm happy for you.

[justmoremages]

As I expected Blues came out and said exactly what needed to be said.

Lax shouldn't reply to these kinds of threads. This is typical Tim being Tim. This is nothing new for those of us who have been around this community for a good bit. (get off my lawn).

Love him or hate him he's doing the guerrilla style marketing that he has to simply because he has the inferior product. You don't see Lax resorting to these methods simply because his product (and this community that largely uses it) speaks volumes, damn near encyclopedias about how well Lax's product is.

If you use Pwnboxer (or ANYTHING else for that matter) and you're happy with it, that's great. When you're ready to get rid of your multiboxing training wheels let us know and we'll get you a 7 day trial of ISBoxer asap. That's not Lax paying me to say that, that's not me pushing ISBoxer down anyone's throat. That's me letting you know I'm using the best multiboxing software available and you're not. But if you're happy with what you've got, by all means I'm happy for you.

For real? you are going to blame a blue telling people that 2 actions for a key isnt allowed on tim?
For your info, me and an load of others have been watching his stream marathon yesterday and theres no way he managed to pull off this or even worry about it while beating up stuff in wow for 24 hours straight.

Just go reread that batlle net thread.. and you will see what actually happened.
A guy asked if multiboxing is allowed, and what is allowed considering broadcasting keys, at no point did he even mentioned the way ISboxer works..

I don't normally actually post on either of your two sides, But this is just stupid guys, this discussion should be about the fact that theres a problem with ISBoxer and what wow allows, not about how you are going to blame this usefull info on tim.

As far as im concerned, this post stopped being any use after this post, cause thats all that matters here isnt it?


I think this is the most important part to take out of it all, at least as far as I'm concerned.

We know that it's been a bone of contention at times between Rob and Lax and I believe now that there is a blue post specifically stating that an alternate down/release sequence is not allowed we need to make sure anyone using IS in WoW is aware and pushed towards using steps instead.

Don't think Lax should remove that feature obviously, since IS is used for more games than WoW, but on the WoW side any help offered should talk about it in the same way as we talk about using the macro facilities offered by keyboards and mice now.

Also

Lax shouldn't reply to these kinds of threads. This is typical Tim being Tim. This is nothing new for those of us who have been around this community for a good bit. (get off my lawn).

Love him or hate him he's doing the guerrilla style marketing that he has to simply because he has the inferior product. You don't see Lax resorting to these methods simply because his product (and this community that largely uses it) speaks volumes, damn near encyclopedias about how well Lax's product is.

This whole thread has been exactly what you have been blaming him off, i know both forums tend to do this.. but honestly, you cant call yourself any better when a thread goes like this.. Someone actually considered trying to market yourself without trying to stab the other in the back along the way recently?

[Svpernova09]

For real? you are going to blame a blue telling people that 2 actions for a key isnt allowed on tim?
For your info, me and an load of others have been watching his stream marathon yesterday and theres no way he managed to pull off this or even worry about it while beating up stuff in wow for 24 hours straight.

Just go reread that batlle net thread.. and you will see what actually happened.
A guy asked if multiboxing is allowed, and what is allowed considering broadcasting keys, at no point did he even mentioned the way ISboxer works..

I don't normally actually post on either of your two sides, But this is just stupid guys, this discussion should be about the fact that theres a problem with ISBoxer and what wow allows, not about how you are going to blame this usefull info on tim.

As far as im concerned, this post stopped being any use after this post, cause thats all that matters here isnt it?



Also


This whole thread has been exactly what you have been blaming him off, i know both forums tend to do this.. but honestly, you cant call yourself any better when a thread goes like this.. Someone actually considered trying to market yourself without trying to stab the other in the back along the way recently?


You're obviously new here, so I don't expect you to understand my reasoning.

[Khatovar]

This is going nowhere but downhill.

A blue made their statement.
This has zero impact on ISBoxer...you feel one way, stick with press and release, you feel the other way, move to steps per press.
Ugliness is still ugly. We're not playing this game again.

[MiRai]

Little Timmy couldn't wait for someone to purposely bring this up:

http://multiboxing.com/forums/f32/wheres-new-pwnboxer-4641-4.html#post38123

And then, of course, it was taken out of context. Tim's been slandering Rob, Keyclone, Lax, ISBoxer, and
every other software/developer that has stood in his way since the beginning of time. ISBoxer and Lax are
the last 2 things standing in his way to "dominate" the market with an inferior product. Why else are the
only two "supported" multiboxing software solutions offered on his website endorsed by him?

I'm going to reiterate this for everyone who is worried about ISBoxer's features. Both HotKeyNet and
AutoHotKey offer features that could easily result in botting and automation, more so than any feature that
has ever been implemented into ISBoxer. I have nothing against either one of those software solutions
and both are able to be talked about on this forum. You don't see people showing up on this forum talking
about how they were banned from the game for using either one of those solutions in a legit manner. I'll
say it again, if people don't want to use the press/release feature of ISBoxer, then don't -- any Mapped
Key can easily be converted into multiple steps.

It doesn't matter whether he was streaming live at the time or not, it takes 60 seconds to spew out a post.
The numerous people that are blaming Tim for this have good reason to do so. He's the only person that
ever bothers to talk about how PB abides 100% by the rules and ISBoxer is full of features that result in
automation and botting (when that's completely untrue). He's also the only person that can't stop talking
about how he's the ex-CEO of Wowhead... as if that means anything at all. If you're a veteran of this
community you know exactly what to expect when Tim starts talking and you know how to spot it a mile
away.

Any attempt to criticize Tim in public on his site results in a ban, completely being ignored, or a reply along
the lines of "let's take this to a PM where people can't call me on my bullshit answers."

I posted this after the thread was locked because I felt this needed to be said after seeing Tim's reply to
Khatovar's final post over on his forum.

Update/Edit: The thread in question has been deleted. How convenient, Tim. Lucky for you... I took a
screenshot (Post 33). /wave @ Tim

Update/Edit2: Thread in question has been un-deleted -- screenshot will stay here.

http://multiboxology.com/bin/images/tim-sends-someone-on-a-mission.png