[WoW] BG and AFK - Jamba suggestion as well [Archive]

blast3r

10-07-2011, 07:03 AM

I have seen a HUGE increase in players flagging my toons AFK. It is hard to try and even play AV anymore. :( Yesterday, I was flagged AFK before the gate opened and toons were ported out as I was turning the first corner. To remove the AFK debuff you must fight a player. Killing a mob won't remove it.

Most of the time I don't even notice I have been reported AFK and think it would be useful if Jamba could warn you with a loud sound and message on the main window. At least I could attempt to remove the debuff.

Has anyone else noticed an increase in this? I was going to post my discontent on WoW forums but then figured it would only bring more attention to it and box-haters would be all over it.

This whole situation gives me a pouty face. :(:mad:\

ebony

10-07-2011, 12:15 PM

probey not what u wonnted to hear but i did do something to help this :D works kinda sweet just video feeds to show the chats of the other chars you "could" make a new window that only shows System msgs so u will not get all the BG chat to be fair i called all my def names and i join the last few mins so they can not see me standing at the gate makes stuff sometimes easyer if i been in a few groups getting kicked.

but to be fair there not a lot u can do once reported there not much way out of it unless u can kill a player.

They do whatever they can to piss u off hates will be hates nothing we can do about it now blizzard got there new systems in place.

MiRai

10-07-2011, 12:31 PM

ebony

10-07-2011, 12:33 PM

You could always set up Power Auras to show the Idle (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=95784) (or 43680) and Inactive (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=94028) (or 43681) debuffs on your
screens for your entire group (even with a countdown!).

maybe we can add that in jamba?

Edit thats for procs really not debuffs. was there not a addon that did cross chars buffs/debuffs being made?

MiRai

10-07-2011, 12:44 PM

You could always set up Power Auras to show the Idle (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=95784) (or 43680) and Inactive (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=94028) (or 43681) debuffs on your
screens for your entire group (even with a countdown!).

was there not a addon that did cross chars buffs/debuffs being made?Power Auras

Ualaa

10-07-2011, 01:48 PM

valkry

10-07-2011, 04:07 PM

If I get reported AFK when I'm not AFK, I respond with:

/run for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers()-1 do local unit = "raid"..i local name,realm = UnitName(unit) if(realm) then ReportPlayerIsPVPAFK(name.."-"..realm) end end

With five toons running that macro, it reports every person in the BG as AFK if they're not from your server.
One of the Legion of Boom guys originally posted that macro, and it gets people rather upset quickly.
I like to pipe in, some idiot reported me AFK too, and I'm not AFK...
That macro has been around for ages and was even reported in a similar thread to this a few weeks ago. And that macro was king back in the mass cave afk days. My win ratio actually increased significantly due to horde still having 15 afkers and that macro kicking all of ours, nice healthy advantage.

Also, you don't have to kill an enemy player, 1 offensive spell is enough. I forget if attacking galv/bal wipes it though.

Kang

10-07-2011, 04:34 PM

Ualaa

10-08-2011, 12:06 AM

You have no idea which three (or is it five) toons have reported your guys as AFK.
I know five is enough of my toons, to report everyone else AFK.

Budkin

10-08-2011, 12:37 AM

Sure way to cure that just do what i do have the bloodthirsty title on all your guys lol

Multibocks

10-09-2011, 12:06 AM

Well we all cant be that good lol

Ughmahedhurtz

10-09-2011, 02:02 AM

Yesterday, I was flagged AFK before the gate opened and toons were ported out as I was turning the first corner.
That seems like an exploit to me. Surprised you can report people AFK in the first couple minutes at least. Or just sloppy coding, IMO.

blast3r

10-09-2011, 05:30 AM

You can also submit a GM ticket reporting that individuals are abusing in-game actions to interfere with your playing. It's against the ToS and a GM can take action against the individual(s). Whether they will is a different story.

I submitted a ticket and he basically said it wasn't a violation of TOS and said just kill and enemy player to remove the debuff. If killing non-player mobs would remove the debuff maybe I should just stop and kill everything I see. :)

MiRai

10-09-2011, 10:05 AM

Sure way to cure that just do what i do have the bloodthirsty title on all your guys lol
Isn't it kind of difficult to obtain that title when people are flagging you AFK and you're getting kicked from
the BG prior to killing anyone?

I submitted a ticket and he basically said it wasn't a violation of TOS and said just kill and enemy player to remove the debuff.
That's a pretty weak response. Improper use of an in-game feature on purpose with intent to hinder
someone else's legitimate playing style. As Ugh stated above, it's pretty shitty that you can report people
so early on in the game.

zenga

10-09-2011, 11:30 AM

When I have a 5boxer in my team when I play solo in bg's (which is 95% of the bg's i run), I report them by default except for isle of conquest/AV. Seen too many of them who either plain suck, have no clue what they are doing or just honor farm and ignore any objective. Which results almost every time in a loss. Opposite team focus fire 1/2 toons who is at the graveyard and the boxer has no means to gather up again. Had several occasions where I could boot a few toons and that turned the battle to our advantage resulting in a win. If the boxer is a good player and an asset to the team I leave them be. But that rarely happens, I basically treat the boxers the same way as I treat bots, slackers, afk'rs etc ... I report them afk.

Last night in 75-79 bracker I queued up on various toons (solo) with a mate for AB weekend. There were 3 boxers active on alliance, 2 who frequent this forum and who have a decent arena rating. And in 10 games where opposite team had a boxer, we never lost a single time. Not specifically due to the boxer, but 3-4 people of his team always following him, giving us free caps. And even in 85 bracket, quite some classes can nearly 1 shot a toon in the current state of the game.

My point being, it's no surprise that in the smaller bg's people report you afk if you think you are worth 50% of the team.

Ualaa

10-09-2011, 02:43 PM

If being reported AFK before the match starts is not a bug, I'd suggest running the macro and reporting everyone else as your normal practice anytime you're reported.
At least all the assholes who report you before the match starts will also be booted.

The squeeky wheel gets the grease.
If it's going to take a few hundred threads on the suggestion forum (from angry people who have been flagged AFK before the match starts) for the Developers/GM's to change the system, so be it.

Ualaa

10-09-2011, 02:45 PM

or just honor farm and ignore any objective. Which results almost every time in a loss.

Any time I pursue objectives to win, and am reported AFK...
I stop trying to win, and just farm honor kills.

Reporting me AFK reduces your chances of winning.

zenga

10-09-2011, 03:05 PM

Any time I pursue objectives to win, and am reported AFK...
I stop trying to win, and just farm honor kills.

Reporting me AFK reduces your chances of winning.

You quoted only half of the truth :)

If the boxer is a good player and an asset to the team I leave them be. But that rarely happens,
.

Zub

10-09-2011, 05:12 PM

How can you assess their valor if you report them afk "by default"?

Multibocks

10-09-2011, 05:54 PM

Exactly, this is nothing but a dick move.

blast3r

10-09-2011, 05:59 PM

Reporting boxers by default is just so f'd up. You are griefing your own kind? *pout*

Ualaa

10-09-2011, 06:02 PM

Honestly... my accounts are not currently active.
My summer job is over, but I've not quite gotten the itch to play.

I was primarily running AV's, and occasionally IoC's (on that weekend).
And doing the minimum amount of arena to cap those points each week.

The smaller BG's aren't really worthwhile for me...
Mainly because as a 5-man team, I'm usually more of a detriment to the team than an asset despite being able to consistently take on twice as many opponents easily.
Having half the team in one place is not an asset for the smaller BG's.
But being able to break most choke points or to hold a choke against a larger force helps immensely in the larger scale BG's.

To each their own I guess.

I'm tempted with four teams.
- Continue the Pally + Frost DK's, for the HK titles.
- Take the Druids into PvE (which I've basically avoided this expansion), either as Ferals or as Tank + Healer + Boomkins.
- Level the Spacegirls, who are 80th... possibly for tradeskills and play the gold game again.
- Level the 5x Holy Pallies, who plan to stop at 72nd for the very active 70-74 twink bracket.

zenga

10-10-2011, 08:31 AM

How can you assess their valor if you report them afk "by default"?

There is no objective way. 'By default' might be bad wording, what I want to say is that when I see a 5 boxer in my 10-15 man bg I have every intention to report him, but obviously I wait a couple of mins to see the plan. Even though I admit I have been wrong, reporting someone who turned out to be an asset to the team. But in 9/10 cases it was the right call.

Exactly, this is nothing but a dick move.

Very possible, but if personally think a 5 boxer in pve gear joining my WsG farming honor in the middle, running back to GY to collect up a toon all across the map, not giving a shit about the 5 other players in the bg ... is a much bigger dick move.

It's not something to I started doing on day 1. It's because I've seen so many terrible 5 boxers who frankly give no shit in the smaller bg's. If they are entitled to their fun to join wsg with 5 in pve gear, I'm entitled to my fun and try to protect that.

Reporting boxers by default is just so f'd up. You are griefing your own kind? *pout*

I'm sorry but I'm not the kind of boxer who joins wsg with 5 toons, goes middle to farm HK's in shit pve gear and later on brags about the amount of HK's after the team loses 3-0. So I'm not really griefing 'my own kind'. If you as a boxer want to take 5 slots in the smaller bg's, you should be really really good, or else you are griefing 5 other team mates.

EaTCarbS

10-10-2011, 09:36 AM

I'm sorry but I'm not the kind of boxer who joins wsg with 5 toons, goes middle to farm HK's in shit pve gear and later on brags about the amount of HK's after the team loses 3-0. So I'm not really griefing 'my own kind'. If you as a boxer want to take 5 slots in the smaller bg's, you should be really really good, or else you are griefing 5 other team mates.

I find the middle to be the most effective spot for a boxer to be in WSG. If i'm not there, I am carrying the flag.

If I had the option, I would never have WSG come up as a random :p

Kang

10-10-2011, 03:47 PM

If I had the option, I would never have WSG come up as a random :p

QFT I hate the capture the flag games both solo and boxing.

Multibocks

10-10-2011, 04:23 PM

Zenga, question for ya:

1. Use 4 guilds to get your shaman legendary staff. 3 of which will lose said shaman after he gets it.

2. Use a couple people in BGs to help get you gear

Which do you think is worse?

MiRai

10-10-2011, 04:32 PM

Toned, question for ya:

1. Use 4 guilds to get your shaman legendary staff. 3 of which will lose said shaman after he gets it.

2. Use a couple people in BGs to help get you gear

Which do you think is worse?
Are you in the right thread? Toned hasn't posted in this thread (yet).

Oatboat

10-10-2011, 04:44 PM

Let me input my 2 cents here.

You cannot be marked AFK before the gate goes up. Believe me i've tried... if you are getting marked before the gate goes up it is indeed a bug... and you can report that.

You get 2 minutes to engage in pvp.... if you mount up and run to midfield... you can engage pvp in less than 30 seconds if you have an epic mount.

So unless you are being a starting tunnel sleeper there is no reason for you to get kicked.

So instead of typing WHO AFKD ME YOU LOSERS I"LL KILL YOU ALL..... just run to the middle and attack. (npcs do not count... wolves/harpies etc).

Multibocks

10-10-2011, 07:39 PM

Are you in the right thread? Toned hasn't posted in this thread (yet).

I'm sorry I meant zenga. His Legendary thread he mentions using 3 different guilds to get his shaman the staff and that they would transfer back to his main realm once he accomplished that. He's basically using 3 guilds and I don't see how that's any more defensible than someone who tries PvP in PvE gear. Just sayin...

Zub

10-10-2011, 08:01 PM

In my opinion the report afk tool should JUST be used to report AFKers (and that means toons that are standing in the cave or GY and not moving at all)
Reporting anybody else AFK because they are moving sideways or no doing what YOU decided is preventing them from playing the game the way THEY want. it's harrassment. And abusing game mechanics.

It shouldn't be used as a tool to remove the "not-so-good' players. Believe me, they are allowed to play the game too.

zenga

10-10-2011, 09:58 PM

I'm sorry I meant zenga. His Legendary thread he mentions using 3 different guilds to get his shaman the staff and that they would transfer back to his main realm once he accomplished that. He's basically using 3 guilds and I don't see how that's any more defensible than someone who tries PvP in PvE gear. Just sayin...

Your comparison makes no sense at all, you might as well use someone's political opinion or the fact that someone married is banging his neighbour to defend your point. Not to mention that you have no clue about the scope/deal I have with these guilds. Before going totally off topic, if you were to have questions/remarks about that, feel free to chuck me a PM or post in that thread.

All I am saying is that I report 5 boxers in the smaller bg's, when they ignore objectives, farm hk's, don't play for the team, come in crap pve gear, etc. Because it makes me waste my time. Eventually their team will be split up and a few are afk'ing on the GY. There is a pretty clear rule about that: you have to be active in a bg and are not allowed to afk. All I do is use the ingame tool available to do that. If the boxer manages one way or another to not have toons afk'ing, what I do has zero influence on him. You called me a dick for doing that. Fair enough. But next time think about the effect your way of playing in bg's has on your teammates, and then decides who is the dick.

Back on topic: power auras like mirai stated has everything needed to warn you when one of your toons is flagged afk.

Zub

10-10-2011, 10:35 PM

If for some reason one of your toons get killed, is sent to the GY and is waiting for you over there (because there is action where the rest of your toons are or whatever), Do you /afk that toon?

zenga

10-10-2011, 11:07 PM

If for some reason one of your toons get killed, is sent to the GY and is waiting for you over there (because there is action where the rest of your toons are or whatever), Do you /afk that toon?

I only 2-3 box the smaller ones. In 40 man bg's it's not really influencing the team when you 5 box (to the negative). At least not to my experience. But to answer your question: if in AV I don't have a combat rez available and right at that point graveyards change and my dead toon is at the other side of the map, yes I do leave the BG with him and carry on with the ones gathered up. But most of the time if I die in a bg while boxing, it's a complete wipe. But then again, I always have pvp gear on (at the max level that is of course), even if they just start out, there is always the crafted gear that is much better than full pve gear.

It might be just me, but I won't join a raid when I don't know tactics, I won't join a dungeon when I can't pull my weight, and I won't join pvp when I have no gear for it. For the simple reason that I don't want to be a liability to my team, when I know I could 've done a couple of simple things to avoid it. It has little to do with being a good or bad players, I personally prefer a bad player who has put the effort in getting crafted gear over a seasoned player in full unenchanted.gemmed pve gear. But as said, that might be just me.

Multibocks

10-10-2011, 11:32 PM

All I am saying is that I report 5 boxers in the smaller bg's, when they ignore objectives, farm hk's, don't play for the team, come in crap pve gear, etc.

But that is not what you said before. In fact you said you report boxers BY DEFAULT. Think about that one. You don't even wait to see if they try to perform objectives. So yea, I would call that a dick move.

zenga

10-11-2011, 12:13 AM

Read the post under that where I explained what I meant with 'by default', before jumping to conclusions. In the end I'm no native English speaker, so you need to be patient with me :)

blast3r

10-11-2011, 07:26 AM

" pvp gear on (at the max level that is of course)"

Yes, most of us who box BGs want to reach this goal. Personally, I mainly box AV because I love the instance and whether I am 5 boxing or 10 boxing, my goal is to win. I am glad not everyone pre-determine's my motivation and AFK me right off the bat.

What criteria, other than someone being a boxer, do you look at when auto-AFK'ng boxers? What if I have 5 rogues and I go guard a tower and nobody comes in for 2 minutes? No matter how you try to justify it, you are griefing fellow boxers, period.

zenga

10-11-2011, 08:13 AM

Did you actually read the thread or are you just trolling? Either way, I mentioned the reasoning behind it. If you fail to understand/read that, so be it. If that makes me a dick in your eyes, that's your problem. I rest my case.

Chumbucket

10-11-2011, 11:18 AM

I think it is generally bad policy to put power in the hands of haters.

blast3r

10-12-2011, 07:55 AM

Power Auras

btw, thanks! going to give this a try.

Ualaa

10-12-2011, 03:12 PM

Researching Power Aura's a little.

Here is a five part tutorial:
1: Forgetting Buffs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiUy3A7HCCU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
2: Tracking Buffs/Debuffs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lJz98vSbcc&feature=related
3: Action Usable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWKpHOIUrw&feature=related
4: Spell Cooldown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_kTLHALGe8&feature=related
5: Conditional Auras http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSrLgEBMzO8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL