Patch 4.3 Mega Thread - Keep it all here

[Multibocks]

I'm surprised there is no conversation on the upcoming patch. Granted we don't know the gritty details, but a lot has been released so far.

Patch 4.3 Interview with Greg Street (Ghostcrawler)
Below is a quick summary and the full thanks to Simca. Be sure to read it so that you don't miss anything! (Extra info via Joystiq, Eurogamer, TenTonHammer, and Tankspot)

Deathwing Raid
The new raid is called The Dragon Soul. It contains eight bosses, and boss 7 and 8 are both Deathwing.
There will be a mount reward for killing Deathwing.
Deathwing will only drop weapons.
Heroic Deathwing will eventually be made easier after the top guilds kill it so that more people can experience it.
Tier 13 will not be available at all from valor points.
The new legendaries are two daggers (main hand and offhand) that are only usable by all three Rogue specs. Combat Rogues will be made to use these daggers as well without a DPS loss. The questline will revolve around the pure black dragon (from the egg in the Badlands) and features several Rogue-centric elements.
Melee classes will be getting a buff that is only active in the new raid to help them compete with ranged classes.

New Five Man Heroics
You will enter the new 5-mans and raid in Caverns of Time.
The first new 5-man is called "Endtime" where Nozdormu will show players the future if Deathwing wins.
The second new 5-man, "Well of Eternity" is a journey into the past, the War of the Ancients specifically, to help Thrall recover the Dragon Soul to use against Deathwing.
The third new 5-man, called "Hour of Twilight", has players escorting Thrall in present day to Wyrmrest Temple, where the final battle against Deathwing will take place.

Looking for Raid
Looking for Raid probably won't share a lockout with Normal and Heroic raids.
Looking for Raid gear will be stronger than the new five man heroics, but weaker than normal raids.

Other
There will be raid melee buff across the board. The attack power buff will apply more to melee attack power than ranged attack power.
Tank rotation changes that are related to survivability won't be in this expansion.
Epic gems will drop in the new raid in Normal and Heroic only. Each player gets a geode when a boss is killed which has a small chance to contain an epic gem, most will have rare gems. It is rare enough to take all of 4.3 to replace all of your red rare quality gems with red epic gems.
Firelands was nerfed so that players could see the content and continue progression instead of hitting a wall in heroic modes.
"Quite a few" new profession recipes will be added.
Northrend will require 2/3rd of the experience it does now, making leveling alts faster.
Corrupted Ashbringer won't be available for transmogrification from any vendor.
Old PvP armor will come back for transmogrification.


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Adding The New Official 4.3 Information To This First Post

-MiRai

Official 4.3 Patch Notes - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3964563/

Patch 4.3: Hour of Twilight Trailer - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3964564/

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[Multibocks]

I'm really wondering how much they will buff melee, will this make DKs just ridiculous in 5s? Also they have posted the stories for the 3 new 5 man dungeons, which sound pretty interesting.

[MiRai]

Probably won't be much talk about it until it's on the PTR. But since you brought it up...

/discuss

[zenga]

I'm really wondering how much they will buff melee, will this make DKs just ridiculous in 5s? Also they have posted the stories for the 3 new 5 man dungeons, which sound pretty interesting.

Melee buff is only in raids, not outside raids.

[Multibocks]

Ah damn guess it was too much to hope!

[Quiding]

Hoping the raid is trash farmable by mages :D

[EaTCarbS]

Remake Azeroth for cataclysm. Final battle in northrend.

[Kedash00]

So in regards to Transmorfigation or however you spell it. I've been looking for a answer to this but cannot find it anywhere, but i've been running bwl with my 10 dudes and dudets.
My Death Knight has been grabbing all the warrior tier sets, he's gotten the whole set minus the belt or something little like that.
Anyways, he has the gear in his bags.

My questions is, does anyone know if he can transform his gear to look like the tier 2 warrior set, since the gear clearly says "warrior only" on it.
I've looked on wowhead, wow.com, google and cannot find a answer to this, anyone have any thoughts?

[Multibocks]

According to MMO-Champion it looks like you will be able to, as long as you do plate for plate transmogs.

[Vecter]

So in regards to Transmorfigation or however you spell it. I've been looking for a answer to this but cannot find it anywhere, but i've been running bwl with my 10 dudes and dudets.
My Death Knight has been grabbing all the warrior tier sets, he's gotten the whole set minus the belt or something little like that.
Anyways, he has the gear in his bags.

My questions is, does anyone know if he can transform his gear to look like the tier 2 warrior set, since the gear clearly says "warrior only" on it.
I've looked on wowhead, wow.com, google and cannot find a answer to this, anyone have any thoughts?

You have to be able to equip whatever item you transmorgrify. Here are the current rules:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3196342583#1

[Kedash00]

i just saw supernova post that, first one too...sucks.
thanks for the reply though

[Shania]

Seems like the epic gems are going to drop from raid bosses


The most detailed interview that covers Gems is the tankspot one.

L: Will we be seeing epic gems in 4.3?

GS: Great question, and yes, you will! The way we're hoping to set it up, and we kind of have this working but things could change before we go live, is when you kill a boss on normal or heroic mode, each player gets a geode, and when they open the geode there's a chance they may find an epic gem inside. If not, it'll have blue gems or something like that. We really want it to feel like an individual reward, and not something that the raid leader gets to have fun in deciding who gets the gems, or they all go to the guild bank or something. We really want it to feel like an individual reward.

They'll be somewhat rare. It may take the entire content cycle before someone has replaced every red gem they have, but they won't be so rare that you won't see them.

L: How is that going to work with profession bonuses? Blacksmithing with its extra sockets, assuming that you could get ahold of a full set of epic gems, seems like it would all of a sudden become the best profession.

GS: I think the epic gems are like 10 stat points over the current ones, so it's a nice boost, but hopefully it won't push everyone towards Blacksmithing.

L: So you'd only end up with like 20 extra Strength as a Blacksmith.

GS: Yeah, something like that.


Source: TankSpot Interview (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?77571-Interview-with-Greg-Street-AKA-Ghostcrawler)

But the word "ONLY" which people are focusing on at the moment is from the Eurogamer interview

Eurogamer: Are there going to be new recipes?

Tom Chilton: There certainly are quite a few new profession recipes. We also introduce the epic gems in this patch, and they'll be available only through the normal and heroic difficulty of the Deathwing raids.



http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?77571-Interview-with-Greg-Street-AKA-Ghostcrawler

Bummer, I raid on my main so thats alright but was hoping for least xmuting them on my alchemists.

[Multibocks]

Yes this sucks. Non raiders will probably never see these gems until they start nerfing the shit out of the new raid instance which will be right before expansion.

[Shania]

Yes usually the way, its kinda like the old hyjal way where you had to raid to have access to the epic gems.
But its not going to be a tonne of them floating around by the sounds of it.

I presume months down the track they will allow alchemists maybe to xmute it on a cd, and or maybe eventually have it come from some form of ore, but as you said be usually most likely to far into the patch before a new expac.

I will be raiding on 2 toons, though the chance to get an epic quality gem is slim from the sounds of it.

[Apps]

yay for the Northrend Exp change. YAY!

does this mean we can also go to Cata content at 78?

[Lyonheart]

The epic gem thing kind of bums me out. I look forward to the first few weeks that epic gems are available. Also not being able to buy ANY T13 with valor will suxor as well 8( Not sounding like a fun patch for casuals. Unless that LFRaids are supper easy ( maybe boxable? )

But what do I care?.. I'm in a beta test that I can not mention.. that should keep me busy for awhile 8)

[Fat Tire]

Well they are going with 3 difficulty levels now so, I would imagine it will all be easily puggable atleast the lowest tier. I would also imagine the the epic gems will be sold cheaply after a couple of weeks.

Keep in mind we do intend to allow tier 13 set pieces to drop for those using the upcoming Raid Finder. Similar to the difference between normal and Heroic versions of tier sets, the Raid Finder set will have a lower item level than the normal and Heroic counterparts.

Set pieces from all three difficulty levels can still be mixed and matched for the two and four-piece bonuses.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

More details here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2459-Patch-4.3-Interview-with-Greg-Street-%28Ghostcrawler%29

[Multibocks]

Well they are going with 3 difficulty levels now so, I would imagine it will all be easily puggable atleast the lowest tier. I would also imagine the the epic gems will be sold cheaply after a couple of weeks.

Keep in mind we do intend to allow tier 13 set pieces to drop for those using the upcoming Raid Finder. Similar to the difference between normal and Heroic versions of tier sets, the Raid Finder set will have a lower item level than the normal and Heroic counterparts.

Set pieces from all three difficulty levels can still be mixed and matched for the two and four-piece bonuses.

Uh blizzard said it would take a raider almost until expansion to get all their gems. I'm going to guess if you see one on the AH it will be like 5k a gem until the expansion is about to launch and raid has been nerfed. Howe er I bet their will be a PvP gem vendor and further I bet they will cost conquest points.

[Fat Tire]

Uh blizzard said it would take a raider almost until expansion to get all their gems. I'm going to guess if you see one on the AH it will be like 5k a gem until the expansion is about to launch and raid has been nerfed. Howe er I bet their will be a PvP gem vendor and further I bet they will cost conquest points.

Care to source?

[Multibocks]

First page I put the blue post

Epic gems will drop in the new raid in Normal and Heroic only. Each player gets a geode when a boss is killed which has a small chance to contain an epic gem, most will have rare gems. It is rare enough to take all of 4.3 to replace all of your red rare quality gems with red epic gems.

[Fat Tire]

First page I put the blue post

Epic gems will drop in the new raid in Normal and Heroic only. Each player gets a geode when a boss is killed which has a small chance to contain an epic gem, most will have rare gems. It is rare enough to take all of 4.3 to replace all of your red rare quality gems with red epic gems.

Thanks-

I dont see it making it out of the ptr then. The QQ will become overwhelming.

[Multibocks]

Actually I think the QQ from casuals being unable to get the new set will become overwhelming. Whats the point of running 5 man dungeons in 4.3 if you already have a full T12 set? I guess if the drops in the new dungeons are compelling enough or the new LFR feature, but this is a first for not letting them have at least a little top tier. I don't care much since I PvP more than PvE, but it does rub me a little bit.

[Multibocks]

Rogue new epic gives you wings!!http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2011/september/legendarywings_hr2.jpg

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Actually I think the QQ from casuals being unable to get the new set will become overwhelming. Whats the point of running 5 man dungeons in 4.3 if you already have a full T12 set? I guess if the drops in the new dungeons are compelling enough or the new LFR feature, but this is a first for not letting them have at least a little top tier. I don't care much since I PvP more than PvE, but it does rub me a little bit.

Apparently you're supposed to be able to, it'll just be a lower iLevel version (sorta like the 3 different versions of T9) for the LFR version of the raid. This is hear-say, and I can't even remember which forum I read it on. Could be completely wrong.

[Vipeax]

Rogue new epic gives you wings!!
Slowfall + dismount + make screenshot when wings pop = batman.
Look at the animation state and then make a night elf and slowfall yourself. Just a wannabe warlock shoulder.

[Vecter]

Apparently you're supposed to be able to, it'll just be a lower iLevel version (sorta like the 3 different versions of T9) for the LFR version of the raid. This is hear-say, and I can't even remember which forum I read it on. Could be completely wrong.

Straight from a blue:

Keep in mind we do intend to allow tier 13 set pieces to drop for those using the upcoming Raid Finder. Similar to the difference between normal and Heroic versions of tier sets, the Raid Finder set will have a lower item level than the normal and Heroic counterparts.

Set pieces from all three difficulty levels can still be mixed and matched for the 2- and 4-piece bonuses.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3196022133?page=23#456

[Ughmahedhurtz]

There ya go. Thanks, Vecter.

[Tonuss]

Slowfall + dismount + make screenshot when wings pop = batman.
Look at the animation state and then make a night elf and slowfall yourself. Just a wannabe warlock shoulder.
Isn't that image/caption from the WOW Facebook page?

[MiRai]

Isn't that image/caption from the WOW Facebook page?
Yes

[Multibocks]

Still makes me wish I had a rogue in a raiding guild. F'ing sweet, model reskin who cares.

[Vipeax]

Isn't that image/caption from the WOW Facebook page?
Doesn't change that it does not have to be an actual flying mount. It might be, but the animation is hopefully just a WIP in that case.

Just leaving that here to avoid sad faces for those who are hoping on it being a flying mount while it does not have to be ;).

[Toned]

I've got my rogue ready to go for 4.3 :P

[Multibocks]

Hah you bastard. I'm jealous, but I don't have the time to join a raiding guild.


Edit: 4.3 on test possibly tomorrow! I will update first post with patch notes.

[Multibocks]

Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Class Skills
Companions
Darkmoon Balloon Right click to summon and dismiss your Darkmoon balloon. Instant
Darkmoon Cub Right Click to summon and dismiss your Darkmoon Cub. Instant
Darkmoon Monkey Right Click to summon and dismiss your Darkmoon Monkey. Instant
Darkmoon Tonk Right click to summon and dismiss your Darkmoon tonk. Instant
Darkmoon Turtle Right Click to summon and dismiss your Darkmoon Turtle. Instant
Darkmoon Zeppelin Right click to summon and dismiss your Darkmoon zeppelin. Instant
Festival Lantern Right Click to summon and dismiss your Festival Lantern. Instant
Fetish Shaman Right Click to summon and dismiss your Fetish Shaman. Instant
Gregarious Grell Right Click to summon and dismiss your grell. Instant
Lumpy Right Click to summon and dismiss your coal elemental. Instant
Lunar Lantern Right Click to summon and dismiss your Lunar Lantern. Instant
Purple Puffer Right Click to summon and dismiss your Purple Puffer. Instant
Sand Scarab Right Click to summon and dismiss your Sand Scarab. Instant
Sea Pony Right Click to summon and dismiss your sea pony... because "seahorse fry" doesn't sound very cute at all. Instant
Father Winter's Helper no longer requires a Snowball. Helpers are very busy year-round, and only have leisure time during the Feast of Winter Veil.
Tiny Snowman no longer requires a Snowball. The snowman is larger and lasts longer during Winter Veil.
Winter Reindeer no longer requires a Snowball. The Winter Reindeer only dresses up for Winter Veil.
Winter's Little Helper no longer requires a Snowball. Helpers are very busy year-round, and only have leisure time during the Feast of Winter Veil.

Mounts
Corrupted Hippogryph Summons and dismisses a rideable Corrupted Hippogryph. This is a flying mount. 1.5 sec cast
Darkmoon Dancing Bear Summons and dismisses a rideable Darkmoon Dancing Bear. 1.5 sec cast
Mountain Horse Summons and dismisses a rideable Mountain Horse. 1.5 sec cast
Ruthless Gladiator's Twilight Drake Summons and dismisses a rideable Ruthless Gladiator's Twilight Drake. This is a flying mount. 1.5 sec cast
Space Charger Summons and dismisses a Space Charger. This mount changes depending on your Riding skill and location. 1.5 sec cast
Spectral Gryphon Summons and dismisses a rideable Spectral Gryphon mount. This is a flying mount. 1.5 sec cast
Spectral Wind Rider Summons and dismisses a rideable Spectral Wind Rider mount. This is a flying mount. 1.5 sec cast
Swift Forest Strider Summons and dismisses a rideable Swift Forest Strider. 1.5 sec cast
Swift Lovebird Summons and dismisses a rideable Swift Lovebird. 1.5 sec cast
Swift Mountain Horse Summons and dismisses a rideable Swift Mountain Horse. 1.5 sec cast
Swift Shorestrider Summons and dismisses a rideable Swift Shorestrider. 1.5 sec cast
Swift Springstrider Summons and dismisses a rideable Swift Springstrider. 1.5 sec cast
White Riding Camel Summons and dismisses a rideable White Riding Camel. 1.5 sec cast
[DNT] Orange Red Drake Mount [DNT] Summons and dismisses a rideable (???). This is a flying mount. 1.5 sec cast
[DNT] Purple Red Drake Mount [DNT] Summons and dismisses a rideable (???). This is a flying mount. 1.5 sec cast
[DNT] Red Red Drake Mount [DNT] Summons and dismisses a rideable (???). This is a flying mount. 1.5 sec cast

Racial
Blood Fury now increases your spell power instead of your spell damage.

Death Knight (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Blood
Death Strike now refunds health even if the attack misses or is parried/dodged.
Veteran of the Third War now also reduces the cooldown of Outbreak by 30 sec.
Abomination's Might now increases melee attack power by 10/20%, up from 5/10%. still increases ranged attack power by 5/10%.
Blade Barrier has been revamped and is simpler - You take 2/4/6% less damage from all sources.
Bone Shield now has 6 charges.

Frost
Howling Blast now scales from 44% and 22% of Attack Power, down from 48% and 24% of AP.

Druid (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Restoration
Wild Growth healing value has been reduced by 20%.

Hunter (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Survival
Cobra Shot now has a 2 sec cast time, up from 1.5 sec.

Marksmanship
Aimed Shot now has a 2.9 sec cast time, up from 2.4 sec.
Kill Shot now scales from 45% of Ranged Attack Power, up from 30%.
Chimera Shot now causes Nature damage. (Tooltip clarification)
Trueshot Aura now increases melee attack power by 20% and ranged attack power by 10%.

Paladin (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Retribution
Blessing of Might now increases attack power by 20%.

Holy
Divine Plea now grants a charge of Holy Power.
Holy Radiance has been revamped - Imbues a friendly target with radiant energy, healing that target and all party or raid members within 10 yards for 50 to 61 and another 683 every 1 sec for 3 sec and grants a charge of Holy Power. 40 yd range, 40% of base mana, 3 sec cast
Seal of Insight no longer restores the paladin's mana.
Clarity of Purpose now also affects Holy Radiance.
Infusion of Light now also affects Holy Radiance.
Judgements of the Pure now also increases your mana regeneration from Spirit while in combat by 10/20/30%.
Light of Dawn now heals up to 6 targets, up from 5.
Paragon of Virtue now reduces the cooldown of Divine Protection by 15/30 sec, up from 10/20 sec.
Speed of Light no longer reduces the cooldown of Holy Radiance.
Tower of Radiance got an extra effect - In addition, casting Holy Radiance will always generate one charge of Holy Power.

Priest (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Holy
Divine Hymn now heals up to 5 targets, up from 3. Maximum of 20 heals, up from 12.
State of Mind has been replaced with Heavenly Voice Increases the healing done by your Divine Hymn spell by 50/100%, and reduces the cooldown by 2.5/5 minutes.

Discipline
Atonement now affect a friendly target within 100 yards, up from 15.

Rogue (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Combat
Backstab damage has been reduced by 50%. (This change is NOT in the official notes and could be a parsing error)

Assassination
Ambush damage has been reduced by 48%. (This change is NOT in the official notes and could be a parsing error)
Mutilate now deals 179% weapon damage, up from 150%. Damage no longer increased against poisoned targets.

Shaman (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Elemental
Elemental Fury now removes the cooldown from your Chain Lightning spell.
Thunderstorm now also reduces the enemies movement speed by 40% for 5 sec.
Wind Shear now has a 25 sec cooldown, up from 6 sec.
Call of Flame no longer increase the duration of Flame Shock on Fire Nova damage.
Lava Flows now increases critical strike damage bonus of Lava Burst by 8/16%, up from 6/12%.
Reverberation now reduces the cooldown of Wind Shear by 10/20 sec.

Enhancement
Flametongue Weapon now increases magical damage done by 5%, instead of increasing spell damage by 747.
Lava Lash now deals 260% weapon damage, up from 200%.
Mental Quickness has been slightly revamped - Your spell power is now equal to 55% of your attack power, and you no longer benefit from other sources of spell power. Also, your instant beneficial, damaging, and totem spells cost 75% less mana.
Stormstrike no longer increases Nature damage against the target. Now grants you an additional 25% chance to critically strike that enemy with your Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Lightning Shield, and Earth Shock spells for 15 sec.
Improved Lava Lash now increases the damage of Lava Lash by 10% for each application of Searing Flames, now also causes your Lava Lash to spread your Flame Shock from the target to up to four enemies within 12 yards.
Unleashed Rage now increases melee attack power by 20% and ranged attack power by 10%.

Restoration
Ancestral Healing got an extra effect - heals you cast increase allies' maximum health by 10% of the amount healed, up to a maximum of 10% of their health.
Cleansing Waters - The heal effect can only occur once every 6 seconds.
Riptide healing effect has been increased by 50%, from 3725 to 5585.

Warrior (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Fury
Enrage now gives a physical damage bonus.

Arms
Shattering Throw no longer scales from Attack Power. (This change is NOT in the official notes and could be a parsing error)

Thrown
Throw now has a 0.5 sec cast time. (This change is NOT in the official notes and could be a parsing error)

[Multibocks]

Nerf to howling blast again. Blood DK changes could prove interesting.

[ebony]

WIth the changes to wow starter acconts u can make them into PTR acconts and make Permades (level 85) if u allways wonnted to try out that class at level 85 but nerver know it it work :P or maybe see if u can 20 box :D

[zenga]

The removal of the cd for chain lightning is gonna be fun for ele shaman boxers in bg's (and even arena i guess). Not to mention that flametongue weapon is redesigned into a flat 5% magic dmg done buff rather than spellpower. Seeing how crap ele scales that should be a buff. And earthquake is getting 75% buff as well.

So in pvp, boxing ele's might see actually quite a buff.

[Oatboat]

Sure enough... i love watching chain lightning forks on huge groups.

[Tonuss]

Doesn't change that it does not have to be an actual flying mount. It might be, but the animation is hopefully just a WIP in that case.

Just leaving that here to avoid sad faces for those who are hoping on it being a flying mount while it does not have to be ;).
I wasn't sure if you were saying that the screenshot was fake.

In any event, your guess was correct. From MMO-C today:


Legendary Dagger Preview - Fangs of the Father
Blizzard released a preview of the legendary daggers, with finally extra info on the wings.



These powers include a stacking increase to Agility which builds until dark wings unfurl from the rogue’s back, removing the combo point cost and increasing damage of finishing moves for a short time.
In addition, the wings which can be spread on command (with no combat benefit) to slow a rapid descent, allowing the rogue to slowly fall to the ground

[Kruschpakx4]

The removal of the cd for chain lightning is gonna be fun for ele shaman boxers in bg's (and even arena i guess). Not to mention that flametongue weapon is redesigned into a flat 5% magic dmg done buff rather than spellpower. Seeing how crap ele scales that should be a buff. And earthquake is getting 75% buff as well.

So in pvp, boxing ele's might see actually quite a buff.

so far the flametongue change is a dps nerf as long as you dont have ~16k spell power

75% buff to earthquake so ~1600 ticks then vs zero resilience (yeha)

chainlight spam is going to be fun

however considering all changes I wont expect things going to be better in arenas @4.3

[Multibocks]

I wasn't sure if you were saying that the screenshot was fake.

In any event, your guess was correct. From MMO-C today:

Fuck these sound awesome. I have never wanted an item in WoW so much as this.

[Nikita]

so far the flametongue change is a dps nerf as long as you dont have ~16k spell power

75% buff to earthquake so ~1600 ticks then vs zero resilience (yeha)

chainlight spam is going to be fun

however considering all changes I wont expect things going to be better in arenas @4.3

I welcome the buff to EQ, aswell as CL without CD. Just imagine the cleave dmg you can deal with the low casting time on CL, spamming melees with EQ up :)

[Multibocks]

I dunno CL just doesn't hit very hard on targets with resilience. I bet a single healer could keep a 4 melee team alive long enough to kill your shaman

[zenga]

so far the flametongue change is a dps nerf as long as you dont have ~16k spell power

Where do you get that number from? Because it is not correct. Flametongue currently provides 1k extra spellpower that doesn't scale, it's a flat number. Ele shaman spells don't scale too well with spellpower either. Getting 1% extra spellpower doesn't mean your damage will increase with 1%. It depends from spell to spell. Spell power coefficients are unique for each spell, and they basically contain the factor that your base spell damage will gain from extra spell power; for lightning bolt it's for example 91% and for chain lightning 77%, meaning that the lightning bolt damage profits more from extra spellpower than chain lightning does.

The change to flametongue makes it scale with everything (bar fire elemental & searing who are afaik considered physical attacks), since it's a flat 7% damage output buff (2% extra from talents). In my raid gear (mix between bis heroic and bis 378 gear) I would already profit from the change as far as damage from spells goes.

The big problem in pve is that a huge chunk of the dps for an elemental shaman comes from the fire elemental. The 2 piece set bonus for T12 raid gear is basically eternal fire elemental. The way the fire elemental works is that it takes a snapshot of your spellpower when it's activated, and it retains that value for it's entire uptime (even if you lose those buffs 3 seconds after it being cast). So flametongue weapon does have quite an effect on the fire elemental dps, just like trinket procs, tinkers, weapon procs & pots. With the 2p gone and no change in the patch notes gone for the fire elemental, it's gonna take indeed a higher number of spell power to maintain the same dps, based on the 2p & 4p T13 set. But that's basically only affecting pve, since fire elemental & raid gear are a non issue in arena.

So for pvp it's nowhere near the number you outline, though there is obviously a conversion point.

[Nikita]

I dunno CL just doesn't hit very hard on targets with resilience. I bet a single healer could keep a 4 melee team alive long enough to kill your shaman

I recently respecced into EQ, and seen alot more cleave dmg from my side. Ive seen warriors being on 70 % by simply keeping EQ up, while focusing another target. I personaly cant wait for the spammable CL on grouped up melee comps.

Keep EQ up, purge your targets, stress the enemy by using CL on melees, 4 x thunderstorm and earthbind, hex and use instants = profit :D

[Kruschpakx4]

Where do you get that number from? Because it is not correct. Flametongue currently provides 1k extra spellpower that doesn't scale, it's a flat number. Ele shaman spells don't scale too well with spellpower either. Getting 1% extra spellpower doesn't mean your damage will increase with 1%. It depends from spell to spell. Spell power coefficients are unique for each spell, and they basically contain the factor that your base spell damage will gain from extra spell power; for lightning bolt it's for example 91% and for chain lightning 77%, meaning that the lightning bolt damage profits more from extra spellpower than chain lightning does.

The change to flametongue makes it scale with everything (bar fire elemental & searing who are afaik considered physical attacks), since it's a flat 7% damage output buff (2% extra from talents). In my raid gear (mix between bis heroic and bis 378 gear) I would already profit from the change as far as damage from spells goes.



however I'm doing more damage with that 1k spellpower than with the new flametongue on ptr

[ebony]

theres a few of us on the US PVP ptr :D you sould come join us :D

[Ughmahedhurtz]

From the PTR notes:

North American realms (excluding Brazilian, Latin American, and Oceanic realms) no longer permit letters with accents in character or guild names. Existing character and guild names with special characters will be unaffected by this change.

lol...for those of you who like naming everyone the same, get 'em named soon.

[Multibocks]

Well that sucks!


Elemental 2 piece bonus was updated to 2000 mastery for 15 secs. I know what all PvP shaman will be wearing ;)

[Noids]

Krusch that new sig is fantastic. Just spent a good 10 mins showing everyone the video...

[Nikita]

Well that sucks!


Elemental 2 piece bonus was updated to 2000 mastery for 15 secs. I know what all PvP shaman will be wearing ;)

Elemental 2 set PvP bonus or PvE? Give us haste instead!

[Multibocks]

pve bonus, 2000 mastery is a lot. You will be chucking out lots of lightning with that

[Multibocks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBL4AITIoa0


Holy shit chain lightning looks awesome when it's spammed!



And chain lightning spam, holy hell... multibox shamans are going to be even MORE murder than they used to be with that.

Haha! Some guy on the MMO Champion boards said that.

[zenga]

2k mastery is about 11 mastery so 22% extra chance. if you have 30-35% from gear, use the moonlight chalice (365 on use one) and valiona's trinket when proc is up you could reach 100% chance to overload :P

[Ughmahedhurtz]

That CL spam in the video is wicked...and funny as hell. PVP is gonna be interesting to watch if that goes live.

[Multibocks]

2k mastery is about 11 mastery so 22% extra chance. if you have 30-35% from gear, use the moonlight chalice (365 on use one) and valiona's trinket when proc is up you could reach 100% chance to overload :P

Damn 100% and chain lightning would look so damn awesome.

[zenga]

Imagine turtle in AV with 100% overload chance, elemental mastery, bloodlust up and spam only chain lightning :D

[Lyonheart]

Imagine turtle in AV with 100% overload chance, elemental mastery, bloodlust up and spam only chain lightning :D


Be nice to see someone test how long they can spam CL before going oom.

[zenga]

You stay full mana as long as you hit 3 targets.

[Kruschpakx4]

Be nice to see someone test how long they can spam CL before going oom.

already now I dont go oom if I hit 3 targets, use cl glyph in av zerg and reforge to mastery and you wont dropp below 95% ever

[Multibocks]

Melee buff is only in raids, not outside raids.

Just wanted to update this. Appears melee buff is through talents however its a blood talent for DKs, so no rape train for 4xDK arena teams unless you want to spec one blood.

[Fat Tire]

4.3 swtor preview

7YvdHH9wIvE

[Lyonheart]

4.3 swtor preview

[YouTube Video]

lol..that looks too OP..think it will make it live?

[Multibocks]

With the 4.3 patch we'll be introducing some changes to the way Valor Points (VP) are obtained, as well as the items that they can purchase.

Changes coming in 4.3:



Looking for Dungeon — 150 VP per run, with a cap of seven runs per week. All Cataclysm heroic dungeons introduced in 4.0, 4.1, and 4.3, will provide 150 Valor per run.
Looking for Raid — 250 VP per run, with a cap of 500 per week. The 4.3 raid, Dragon Soul, will be split into two separate raids for the Raid Finder. While individual bosses do not drop Valor when using the Raid Finder, you will receive 250 Valor for completing each Dragon Soul raid. Each boss will only drop loot for you once per week, but you will continue to get the 250 Valor for completing each Raid Finder raid, up to the 500 cap.
10 player raid boss — 115 VP. There are nine bosses per week, counting Baradin Hold.
25 player raid boss — 135 VP. There are nine bosses per week, counting Baradin Hold.
Valor Points cap at 1000 per week.


As you acquire Valor you'll want to spend it, and vendors will be offering a wide range of items to equip you to take on the Dragon Soul raid encounters, including cloaks, rings, ranged weapons, necklaces, trinkets, chest pieces, helms, gloves, bracers, boots, and belts, all of which are ilvl 397.

Our goal with these changes is to move Valor back to the original intent of currency rewards as a consolation prize, for two main reasons: to make it less frustrating when you keep having bad luck getting an item you want from a particular boss, and to help encourage you to keep fighting bosses (and helping out the rest of your group) even if that particular boss didn’t drop anything for your character in particular. Over time we have also offered Valor as a reward for doing other activities (such as participating in Heroic 5-player dungeons) to provide players something to do on an off night or when they couldn’t raid.

In the past we have offered some tier pieces on the Valor vendor for players that just couldn’t justify the time or logistics necessary to participate in raids, but we’re hoping that the introduction of the Raid Finder tool helps remove that barrier. We think most players would agree that killing a giant monster and looting its corpse is more exciting than slowly farming a currency to purchase a reward. Currencies have their place, but we want them to be a secondary avenue of progression to boss killing.

While the Raid Finder will provide a lower difficulty for the Dragon Soul raids, and thus a lower ilvl of gear, the normal 10 and 25 raids will drop ilvl 397, with the final Deathwing encounters dropping ilvl 403. For the Heroic version, 10 and 25 will drop ilvl 410, and the Heroic Deathwing encounters will drop ilvl 416 loot.

As we near the release of 4.3 we’ll be posting everything you need to know about the Valor to Justice down-conversion process, so stay tuned.

Interesting changes, glad they got rid of having to do the Zul dungeons for max valor.

[ebony]

They added the Mouse Pad again and av added this to my UI

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20663759/PTR/Movepad.png

maybe we can use this in the addons some how jamba?

Nerver know when i need to move someone from that big a&& Defbuff thats going AOE the group down.

[MiRai]

Just came across this tidbit of info, Multiple Raid Resets:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1008290-2-Raid-Resets-for-4.0-Raids-and-Firelands-Starting-this-week

[zenga]

Just did a looking for raid pug on first boss. Quite the adventure. Reminds me on weekly icc pugs back in wrath and what a drama they could be. Lost my faith in mankind again :P

That being said, with my guild I'm going to test the bosses quite thoroughly starting tomorrow. We might be short 1-2 players now and then, so will have to find others with ptr account to join us. If anyone from here has a PTR account, who is a somewhat decent player and likes to test them out, send me a pm and we can see when we can get you in. Mind you we start our raids at 8pm euro time, which is early noon in the US. The ptr servers are located in the US, but we are on ptr server brill EU, so you'll need a premade toon there.

[Selz]

On MMO-Champion today


They really do want to bring me back ^^

Elemental

Shamanism (http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/62099/shamanism/#14911/14942) now gives Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, and Lava Burst an additional 36% benefit from spell power, up from 32%.

[zenga]

32->36% is about a 700 dps increase in T12 gear, which is a fraction of the 2 piece T12 nerf. Before you come back, I'm losing 6 to 8k dps in my current pve gear, compared live to ptr. It's a good buff for pvp though, actually ele shaman will be about the same in pvp next patch than they are now.

[Multibocks]

Wow thats sick, were elementals that strong?

[zenga]

Wow thats sick, were elementals that strong?

single target (baleroc heroic best example) ele shaman was absolute top (only got passed by arcane mage like a week or 2 ago), aoe ele is/was crap though

[Shania]

I havent had a chance to get on ptr, been busy raiding trying to finish 7/7 hm before patch.
Is the new raid trash boxable ? Anyone tried it yet ?I guess I need to get onto ptr this weekend and have a peak before its live.

[Multibocks]

Yeah Im hoping for BoE drops again. Love the gold thanks =D

[ebony]

32->36% is about a 700 dps increase in T12 gear, which is a fraction of the 2 piece T12 nerf. Before you come back, I'm losing 6 to 8k dps in my current pve gear, compared live to ptr. It's a good buff for pvp though, actually ele shaman will be about the same in pvp next patch than they are now.

but with non stop chain lighing in pvp (av) is really fun ^^ and ofc we get better gear .

[ebony]

I havent had a chance to get on ptr, been busy raiding trying to finish 7/7 hm before patch.
Is the new raid trash boxable ? Anyone tried it yet ?I guess I need to get onto ptr this weekend and have a peak before its live.

av tryed and the dungon even trying to walk though would not let me in says my raid group is not made of the right players all dps ill have to try it with a tank. see if i can get in

[Vecter]

Looks like a chance to get 4.3 next week.

Arena and Rated Battleground Season 10 is scheduled to end as early as November 15. At that point we will determine who is eligible for the end-of-season rewards, a process that should take approximately one week. It's very important for players who feel that they may be eligible for Arena titles and/or the Vicious Gladiator’s Twilight Drake to refrain from transferring their characters to another realm or faction until after Season 10 ends. During the break between seasons, all Rated Battleground and Arena matches will be unavailable.

At the end of the season, Conquest Points will be converted to Honor Points, possibly exceeding the 4,000 point Honor cap. All Season 10 items will cost Honor Points (equivalent to their previous Conquest Point cost) when the season ends, with the exception of any items with rating requirements attached. These items will no longer be available for purchase.

Please be aware that higher ilvl PvP items will be introduced and available for Honor points with patch 4.3.

The next Arena and Rated Battleground season will begin for level-85 players approximately one week after the end of Season 10 and will coincide with the awarding of Season 10 titles and mounts. At that time, any Honor accrued above the 4,000-point cap will be converted into gold at a rate of 35 silver per point. In addition, Season 11 rewards will be made available for purchase with Conquest Points awarded during the new season. Matchmaking Ratings will carry over when Season 11 begins, but all Team and Personal Ratings will be wiped.

Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3925570/PvP_Season_10_Ending_Soon-11_9_2011

[Nikita]

Ive allready capped HP, JP, VP and loads of CP to get a good start next season :) gl to all

[Fat Tire]

Ive allready capped HP, JP, VP and loads of CP to get a good start next season :) gl to all

cp points get wiped and honor over 4k gets wiped. Soooo your carrying over 4k honor like everyone else....

[Multibocks]

I thought they said over 4k it would be temporary... I need to go read that again.

edit: Oh god you are right, it will be turned into gold. Bleh.

[Nikita]

cp points get wiped and honor over 4k gets wiped. Soooo your carrying over 4k honor like everyone else....

Reading the blue post says that conquest points might be converted to honor.

[Fat Tire]

Reading the blue post says that conquest points might be converted to honor.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would get any advantages going into a new season.

[zenga]

As far as I recall the intention with the start of the current season was that:
a) you could take a max of 4k honor with you into the next season (from doing bg's, etc)
b) any conquest point you had left, was converted into extra honor, even if that would put you over the cap

Say you had 3900 honor at the start of the new season, and 4300 conquest points, it would mean that you should receive 7200 honor. And as long as you are above the 4k, you would not gain any extra honor from doing bg's.

They fucked up royally though and converted the conquest points into gold, rectifying this later by giving everyone 4k free honor.

The way I read it for the coming season is that thet step away from this and will converted conquest points that put you above the honor cap into gold, and not into extra honor.

[Nikita]

Well, the blue post says that there is a possibility that conquest will convert to honor, and possibly exced the 4 k max cap. And we must not forget about JP :) this wont be converted to gold, and you'll be able to get 3 k honor by converting it :)

[Fat Tire]

nvm

[zenga]

Well, the blue post says that there is a possibility that conquest will convert to honor, and possibly exced the 4 k max cap. And we must not forget about JP :) this wont be converted to gold, and you'll be able to get 3 k honor by converting it :)
so cap out on justice points (i have none), cap out on valor points (have like 5k atm, none for this week) cap out on honor and leave my conquest points (6k atm) ... and if I'm lucky that valor -> jp and conquest -> honor point i could be looking at 17k honor, i like the idea :D
god-damn, now i need to run dungeons on my main -_-

[Vecter]

Blue updated post, note new date:

Arena and Rated Battleground Season 10 is scheduled to end November 29. At that point we will determine who is eligible for the end-of-season rewards, a process that should take approximately one week. It's very important for players who feel that they may be eligible for Arena titles and/or the Ruthless Gladiator’s Twilight Drake to refrain from transferring their characters to another realm or faction until after Season 10 ends. During the break between seasons, all Rated Battleground and Arena matches will be unavailable.

At the end of the season, Conquest Points will be converted to Honor Points, possibly exceeding the 4,000 point Honor cap. All Season 10 items will cost Honor Points (equivalent to their previous Conquest Point cost) when the season ends, with the exception of any items with rating requirements attached. These items will no longer be available for purchase.

Please be aware that higher ilvl PvP items will be introduced and available for Honor points with patch 4.3.

The next Arena and Rated Battleground season will begin for level-85 players approximately one week after the end of Season 10 and will coincide with the awarding of Season 10 titles and mounts. At that time, any Honor accrued above the 4,000-point cap will be converted into gold at a rate of 35 silver per point. In addition, Season 11 rewards will be made available for purchase with Conquest Points awarded during the new season. Matchmaking Ratings will carry over when Season 11 begins, but all Team and Personal Ratings will be wiped.

Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3925570/PvP_Season_10_Ending_Soon-11_9_2011#blog

[Multibocks]

Fuck thats lame. Means patch is farther off than I was hoping.

[Vecter]

And more!

Hello everyone, I just wanted to bring you a brief update on Season 10. Please note that we've updated the original messaging with a new projected date for the change in season. " Arena and Rated Battleground Season 10 is scheduled to end November 29."We are also in the process of updating our messaging with the following information: "Matchmaking (MMR), Team, and Personal Ratings will all be wiped when Season 11 begins."

As always, those who took the time to share their constructive feedback in this thread and in other locations are appreciated.


Yes MMR is included.

Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3566007014?page=29#577

Looks like they updated the official announcement as well

Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3925570/PvP_Season_10_Ending_Soon-11_9_2011

[Khatovar]

Changes for Alchemy specializations are coming in the patch. If you're working on bringing up alchemists or like me, swapped specializations on some guys, you'll want to get them done before the patch -

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2551-Alchemy-Specialization-Cost-Increase-Deathwing-Event-Blue-Posts-MMO-Report

Patch 4.3: Alchemy Specialization Cost Increase
In Patch 4.3, Alchemy Specialization quests have been moved to the Alchemy trainers and the old quests have been removed. The three new quests and rough costs from Auction House prices for materials are:

Potion Master

Mythical Healing Potion x 6
Mythical Mana Potion x 6
Potion of Treasure Finding x 2
Total AH Materials Cost: 450g


Transmutation Master

Truegold x 4
Total AH Materials Cost: 2200g


Elixir Master

Flask of the Draconic Mind x 2
Flask of the Winds x 2
Flask of Steelskin x 2
Flask of Titanic Strength x 2
Total AH Materials Cost: 900g

[Kedash00]

wouldn't AH prices be based on player base?
I can see them controlling vendor prices but AH is player set pricing, which they dont control.

I am hung over so i may be missing something, but i just dont get how they can say AH prices are going to go up when we control it.

[zenga]

wouldn't AH prices be based on player base?
I can see them controlling vendor prices but AH is player set pricing, which they dont control.
.

That is why the post states 'rough costs', which is a statement at the discretion of mmo champ, not from blizzard.

[Khatovar]

The post wasn't about the AH prices going up, the post was about the change in Alchemy specialization. Right now, becoming a Potions, Elixirs of Transmute Master requires Burning Crusade stuff and is pretty cheap, especially if you do the Potions quest and pay the 150g to swap to Transmute, since Healing and Mana pots drop like candy, so all you need to make is Dreamless Sleep potion.

After the patch, it's going to use Cata stuff, which is going to make it cost more to chose a specialization. There's also rumors going around that you won't have the option to just swap for gold like you can now. People are saying that you unlearn the spec then provide the appropriate items to change. But, I'm not on PTR to check and it's always possible that they simply haven't added swapping in yet.

[Nikita]

Sucks that they changed the launch day for the new patch. I cant fking wait!! Has anyone seen the PvP gear stats and bonuses? I cant find em anywhere :/ Do we get to keep the lightning shield bonus from the Ruthless gear?

[Fat Tire]

4.3 Battleground Conquest Rewards
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3595670888#1))
In patch 4.3 we’re changing the daily battleground (BG) to reward 100 conquest for a win (up from 25). In addition, every non-rated BG that you win will also give you 50 conquest. There is no limit to how many BGs you can run this way, up to the normal conquest cap.

Our intent is to start acting even more on our Mists of Pandaria philosophies of encouraging players to approach the content they want to, how they want to, and be able to work toward meaningful player progression. Arenas and rated battlegrounds will still earn Conquest faster, but with this change you can now work your way up by running normal BGs, if you so choose.





This basically kills off 2v2 arena. A real nice change though.

[pinotnoir]

As far as I recall the intention with the start of the current season was that:
a) you could take a max of 4k honor with you into the next season (from doing bg's, etc)
b) any conquest point you had left, was converted into extra honor, even if that would put you over the cap

Say you had 3900 honor at the start of the new season, and 4300 conquest points, it would mean that you should receive 7200 honor. And as long as you are above the 4k, you would not gain any extra honor from doing bg's.

They fucked up royally though and converted the conquest points into gold, rectifying this later by giving everyone 4k free honor.

The way I read it for the coming season is that thet step away from this and will converted conquest points that put you above the honor cap into gold, and not into extra honor.

They never fixed it for the people who got screwed by the conversion. What they did was give people honor who purchased pvp items off the vendor which changed item level. I took a good ass reaming on that conversion deal. The only good that came out of it is I no longer pvp for the latest greatest carrot on a stick.

[valkry]

They never fixed it for the people who got screwed by the conversion. What they did was give people honor who purchased pvp items off the vendor which changed item level. I took a good ass reaming on that conversion deal. The only good that came out of it is I no longer pvp for the latest greatest carrot on a stick.
You are saying it like it's a new change. Blizz have been doing this new set of gear every major patch for like 3 and a half years now.

Getting tired of the whole "I worked hard to get the best gear now I have to do it all over again," welcome to WoW, you new?

[Multibocks]

You are saying it like it's a new change. Blizz have been doing this new set of gear every major patch for like 3 and a half years now.

Getting tired of the whole "I worked hard to get the best gear now I have to do it all over again," welcome to WoW, you new?

Actually people have been able to save 8k before. Conquest + justice to get a jump on the other teams.

[valkry]

Actually people have been able to save 8k before. Conquest + justice to get a jump on the other teams.
Saving up 4k CP, buying conq gear before the patch, then selling back after the patch for full CP was a cheap method to get ahead, and I can pretty much say on behalf of Blizz that it wasn't intended to be possible. I'm glad they are changing it.

[Multibocks]

Doesnt change that it was possible.

[valkry]

Doesnt change that it was possible.
So people who tried to follow the example of some others and tried to get an unfair advantage at the strat of a season got screwed over by Blizz fixing it...? I don't see your point.

[Multibocks]

Everyone knew about it and everyone that had any brains used it. Should have just let it be.

[valkry]

Everyone knew about it and everyone that had any brains used it. Should have just let it be.
Same could be said for any bug.

[zenga]

I still think most people are missing the fact that valor points and conquest points will be turned into justice points and honor, even above the 4k cap. I'll have 4k honor, 4k justice points, 6k valor points and 8k conquest points. So after the patch hits I'll have 12k honor, and 10k justice points. You obviously have to use up honor first before you can convert justice points into honor, but in total it's gonna be around 18.5k honor I get while a full suit costs something like 23;5k if I recall correct (minuts the weapons). So that is something like 5k to grind on patch day.

[pinotnoir]

I still think most people are missing the fact that valor points and conquest points will be turned into justice points and honor, even above the 4k cap. I'll have 4k honor, 4k justice points, 6k valor points and 8k conquest points. So after the patch hits I'll have 12k honor, and 10k justice points. You obviously have to use up honor first before you can convert justice points into honor, but in total it's gonna be around 18.5k honor I get while a full suit costs something like 23;5k if I recall correct (minuts the weapons). So that is something like 5k to grind on patch day.


Yeah if you really want a jump you can bank everything like I did last season. Just pray they don't fubar the conversion and turn it into gold like they did last time. I lost many thousands of honor when they messed up the conversion. After the error last season I would say bank at your own risk. Goodluck!


You are saying it like it's a new change. Blizz have been doing this new set of gear every major patch for like 3 and a half years now.

Getting tired of the whole "I worked hard to get the best gear now I have to do it all over again," welcome to WoW, you new?

I think your confusing what happened. The people who purchased pvp gear before they changed the ilevel received honor compensation. The thing I am talking about is when they made an error with the conversions. Instead of letting the conquest points give honor above the 4k cap like they stated, the system mistakenly converted anything above 4k to 35 silver. So anyone who would have had 10K+ honor (like me) lost it all and received 35 silver instead. Banking points is a great way to get a jump on gear but with last seasons screw up it's very risky.

[valkry]

Yeah if you really want a jump you can bank everything like I did last season. Just pray they don't fubar the conversion and turn it into gold like they did last time. I lost many thousands of honor when they messed up the conversion. After the error last season I would say bank at your own risk. Goodluck!



I think your confusing what happened. The people who purchased pvp gear before they changed the ilevel received honor compensation. The thing I am talking about is when they made an error with the conversions. Instead of letting the conquest points give honor above the 4k cap like they stated, the system mistakenly converted anything above 4k to 35 silver. So anyone who would have had 10K+ honor (like me) lost it all and received 35 silver instead. Banking points is a great way to get a jump on gear but with last seasons screw up it's very risky.
I'm pretty sure I read, that after the season ends, they are converting all CP to honour, and it stays above the cap. You then get a week to spend it for when the new season hits, they are converting everything above the cap into gold/silver.

I will try to find it.

Arena and Rated Battleground Season 10 is scheduled to end as early as November 15. At that point we will determine who is eligible for the end-of-season rewards, a process that should take approximately one week. It's very important for players who feel that they may be eligible for Arena titles and/or the Vicious Gladiator’s Twilight Drake to refrain from transferring their characters to another realm or faction until after Season 10 ends. During the break between seasons, all Rated Battleground and Arena matches will be unavailable.

At the end of the season, Conquest Points will be converted to Honor Points, possibly exceeding the 4,000 point Honor cap. All Season 10 items will cost Honor Points (equivalent to their previous Conquest Point cost) when the season ends, with the exception of any items with rating requirements attached. These items will no longer be available for purchase.

Please be aware that higher ilvl PvP items will be introduced and available for Honor points with patch 4.3.

The next Arena and Rated Battleground season will begin for level-85 players approximately one week after the end of Season 10 and will coincide with the awarding of Season 10 titles and mounts. At that time, any Honor accrued above the 4,000-point cap will be converted into gold at a rate of 35 silver per point. In addition, Season 11 rewards will be made available for purchase with Conquest Points awarded during the new season. Matchmaking Ratings will carry over when Season 11 begins, but all Team and Personal Ratings will be wiped.

IN SHORT:
1. Season ends
2. CP turns into HP, can go above the 4k limit, but can't earn any more until you spend it.
3. The season 10 CP gear will be buyable with HP

4. ONE WEEK PASSES

5. New arena season
6. Anything above 4k HP gets turned into gold
7. Gear, better than season 10 CP gear (from point 3) will be buyable with HP.
8. Season 11 gear better than the new HP gear will be buyable with CP.

Last season, a LOT of people got pissed because they bought all the old CP gear with honour, BEFORE the NEW honour gear got released, making them farm 23k honour AGAIN.

[MiRai]

I'm pretty sure I read, that after the season ends, they are converting all CP to honour, and it stays above the cap. You then get a week to spend it for when the new season hits, they are converting everything above the cap into gold/silver.
Pinot is talking about when last season ended and Blizzard screwed up the conversion.

[pinotnoir]

I'm pretty sure I read, that after the season ends, they are converting all CP to honour, and it stays above the cap. You then get a week to spend it for when the new season hits, they are converting everything above the cap into gold/silver.

I will try to find it.

Arena and Rated Battleground Season 10 is scheduled to end as early as November 15. At that point we will determine who is eligible for the end-of-season rewards, a process that should take approximately one week. It's very important for players who feel that they may be eligible for Arena titles and/or the Vicious Gladiator’s Twilight Drake to refrain from transferring their characters to another realm or faction until after Season 10 ends. During the break between seasons, all Rated Battleground and Arena matches will be unavailable.

At the end of the season, Conquest Points will be converted to Honor Points, possibly exceeding the 4,000 point Honor cap. All Season 10 items will cost Honor Points (equivalent to their previous Conquest Point cost) when the season ends, with the exception of any items with rating requirements attached. These items will no longer be available for purchase.

Please be aware that higher ilvl PvP items will be introduced and available for Honor points with patch 4.3.

The next Arena and Rated Battleground season will begin for level-85 players approximately one week after the end of Season 10 and will coincide with the awarding of Season 10 titles and mounts. At that time, any Honor accrued above the 4,000-point cap will be converted into gold at a rate of 35 silver per point. In addition, Season 11 rewards will be made available for purchase with Conquest Points awarded during the new season. Matchmaking Ratings will carry over when Season 11 begins, but all Team and Personal Ratings will be wiped.

IN SHORT:
1. Season ends
2. CP turns into HP, can go above the 4k limit, but can't earn any more until you spend it.
3. The season 10 CP gear will be buyable with HP

4. ONE WEEK PASSES

5. New arena season
6. Anything above 4k HP gets turned into gold
7. Gear, better than season 10 CP gear (from point 3) will be buyable with HP.
8. Season 11 gear better than the new HP gear will be buyable with CP.

Last season, a LOT of people got pissed because they bought all the old CP gear with honour, BEFORE the NEW honour gear got released, making them farm 23k honour AGAIN.


As MiRai said I am talking about last season. They actually made two mistakes. First they turned the extra to 35silver before letting the one week pass. Next they changed the gear on the honor vendor to 371. They compensated people who purchased any gear but said sorry for the conversion. That's why I was saying bank your points at your own risk. I did it last season and had my extra points turned to silver with their mistake.

[valkry]

As MiRai said I am talking about last season. They actually made two mistakes. First they turned the extra to 35silver before letting the one week pass. Next they changed the gear on the honor vendor to 371. They compensated people who purchased any gear but said sorry for the conversion. That's why I was saying bank your points at your own risk. I did it last season and had my extra points turned to silver with their mistake.
I see. Lets hope they don't screw up again then. Though I probably won't be bothering with "banking points." Doesn't take too long to grind out honour and I will probably be working when the patch is close to coming out. At least everyone will know about the ilvl change this time too, I know that upset a lot

[Ughmahedhurtz]

[edit] Blah...change wasn't 4.3. Sorry. Disregard.

[Multibocks]

So does LFR have a minimum ilvl to use it? I was hearing 372, but no one could say where they heard it. Also can PvP gear be used to circumvent that? I hope they wont let you join if even once piece has resilience...

[sparvath]

i found it here but since LFR is only for the new instances 372 sounds about right

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/623-Patch-4.3-Raid-Finder/

[MiRai]

Official 4.3 Patch Notes - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3964563/

Patch 4.3: Hour of Twilight Trailer - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3964564/

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[Multibocks]

Are servers up yet? Stuck at work

[Quiding]

Silly... they're not even closed yet... on EU :(