performanace of Ele shaman in 4.2?

[death]

how do you guys think itll shape up

[Multibocks]

Unless you can move them all in synch and jump turn to throw out lightning bolts.... I'm gonna go with same old sucky ele pvp.

[death]

yeah, though as much, im going to be leveling boomies soon, should be more fun lol i hope

[Cookiebo]

i have just farmed 5x full set of heirlooms to casters with trinkets + got helm and cloak.
Im thinking of starting either 4x ele sham + pala/war tank. or 5 mages.. I cant realy deside which one, im gonna buy 5 new accounts and get that new 1-80 recruit a friend system on them, so 5 mages would be ALOT easier with recruit.

[death]

yeah guess im choosing between 4 ele sham or 4 boom for my main Box

[Lyonheart]

They will be much better as solo.. for PvP, and PvE once you get the two set bonus!

[Ashley]

What are the set bonuses?

[Lyonheart]

2-Piece - Your offensive spells have a chance to reset the remaining cooldown on your Fire Elemental Totem.

4-Piece - Your Lava Surge talent also makes Lava Burst instant when it triggers.

According to testers, this makes it available almost non stop. I think this should be a glpyh..not a set bonus, Ele needs the help.

[zenga]

2-Piece - Your offensive spells have a chance to reset the remaining cooldown on your Fire Elemental Totem.

4-Piece - Your Lava Surge talent also makes Lava Burst instant when it triggers.

According to testers, this makes it available almost non stop. I think this should be a glpyh..not a set bonus, Ele needs the help.

I've been playing ele a lot on ptr with a premade toon and the 2 piece bonus is plain awesome (but our fire ele is still plain dumb, rather than fixing the AI of the fire ele, they now give us a way to cast it again). The 4 piece is not a huge dps increase, but it's more a problem to deal with lava surge procs that we get while we are casting lvb, which was basically a waste so far. There is quite a lot of speculation on totemspot (main ele site) whether this is meant as test case for a future talent change (perma pet for ele and lava surge = instant in talent tree).

In pve ele shaman was at the bottom of all dps specs in current raid tier. And to be viable the skill cap was pretty high. That will be solved through new lightning bolt movement glyph though. But there is still the fact that we don't have the burst we used to have, our lava burst is not the hardest hitting spell in the game. Good thing is that we scale extremely well with gear.

[Littleburst]

I've been playing ele a lot on ptr with a premade toon and the 2 piece bonus is plain awesome (but our fire ele is still plain dumb, rather than fixing the AI of the fire ele, they now give us a way to cast it again). The 4 piece is not a huge dps increase, but it's more a problem to deal with lava surge procs that we get while we are casting lvb, which was basically a waste so far. There is quite a lot of speculation on totemspot (main ele site) whether this is meant as test case for a future talent change (perma pet for ele and lava surge = instant in talent tree).

In pve ele shaman was at the bottom of all dps specs in current raid tier. And to be viable the skill cap was pretty high. That will be solved through new lightning bolt movement glyph though. But there is still the fact that we don't have the burst we used to have, our lava burst is not the hardest hitting spell in the game. Good thing is that we scale extremely well with gear.

Could be. First I was thinking, that could be OP. But then again, you need several Flame shocks rolling to get a good proc rate. Which are dispellable. Besides that it's not like you got much to offer atm anyway, as ele sham in a pvp scenario.

[death]

still, im sticking with the class, as i enjoy it, and ill continue to work at it......that is unless my boomkins will be even more fun :P

[Nikita]

Wish we still were in s8 with wrathfull gear :/ <3

[Meshuggenah]

In pve ele shaman was at the bottom of all dps specs in current raid tier

That's a misleading quote. Elemental Shaman DPS is very competetive, it's only bottom currently because the majority of fights this tier involve some kind of cleave (either 2 bosses or lots of adds). It's the mechanics of this tiers encounters that are the problem, not their damage. Which is probably why Blizzard is giving them a spammable elemental.

[Nikita]

That's a misleading quote. Elemental Shaman DPS is very competetive, it's only bottom currently because the majority of fights this tier involve some kind of cleave (either 2 bosses or lots of adds). It's the mechanics of this tiers encounters that are the problem, not their damage. Which is probably why Blizzard is giving them a spammable elemental.

Atm with full bloodthirsty gear and vicious weps my lightning bolts are hitting for 8 k on lvl 85 dummies, while my equal geared hunter with spammable arcane shots hit for 10-12 k. So dmg is fairly low from a PvP point of view

[zenga]

That's a misleading quote. Elemental Shaman DPS is very competetive, it's only bottom currently because the majority of fights this tier involve some kind of cleave (either 2 bosses or lots of adds). It's the mechanics of this tiers encounters that are the problem, not their damage. Which is probably why Blizzard is giving them a spammable elemental.

No my quote was spot on. Over all raid content ele shaman is at the very bottom of the dps specs. There is simply no way to deny that, as all numbers will prove you wrong; A good elemental is just competitive when there are multiple bosses active, for the simple fact he can dot up flame shocks and get thus more lava surge procs. But lets see:

Magmaw HC: 2 adds, not really 'cleave', rest of fight requires hardly movement
Maloriak HC: black adds are awesome for our new aoe rotation, other adds don't have enough health, hardly movement
Chimaron HC: hardly any movement involved
Atramedes HC: basic movement, but we always have something to cast
Defense system HC: single target fight, quite some movement
Nef HC: no multiple adds, hardly any movement involved, gimmic fight due to buff, pure rng if u get it or not

Conclave HC: depending on your role and tactic moving intensive or not, not multiple adds
Alakir HC: adds, but you can't cleave them, moving intensive

Halfus HC: adds that allow us to do better to cleave & multi dot - gimmick fight
V&T HC: no adds, 2 bosses, quite some movement
Council HC: way too much movement and prolly worst fight for ele
Cho'gall HC: adds, but rest of fight is pretty static
Sinestra: not really a cleave fight, again haste modifier

Bar council hard, we always have spells enough to cast while moving. There are not more cleave fights than stand alone fights. And moving will always be a part of encounter design.

Go to this site (http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/all/14/60/default/), and check the dps ranking from all logs available, and check on a boss per boss level, and you'll see that every time ele is near or at the bottom of dps specs.

On 8 heroic fights (25) I've scored a top 200 rank in world of logs as ele shaman in 4.1. And on none of them I was the top dps in my raid, often facing a large gap with others, who were at only 80% of scoring a ranked kill for their spec.

[zenga]

Atm with full bloodthirsty gear and vicious weps my lightning bolts are hitting for 8 k on lvl 85 dummies, while my equal geared hunter with spammable arcane shots hit for 10-12 k. So dmg is fairly low from a PvP point of view

Yeah our lava burst hits for pathetic damage compared to other specs.

[Toned]

Ele works in 3s single from what I was doing on PTR, but I'm still skeptical of 4 sham 5s. The burst just isn't what it used to be, and we're still crippled by stuns and interrupts.

[Shodokan]

Ele works in 3s single from what I was doing on PTR, but I'm still skeptical of 4 sham 5s. The burst just isn't what it used to be, and we're still crippled by stuns and interrupts.

There are far far too many interrupts in the game compared to when we were in our prime... but there are also very few prot warriors and such running around stunning things.

[remanz]

I haven't been in the shaman scene since cata. and can't check talent trees at work. What did they give elementals for survival when they removed Astral shift. nothing? Shaman can take some beatings back then. Now I'd imagined you have to run sideways while casting LB. When they got near, earthbind, then run again. and finally TS, and run again. All the running, you chip in Lava burst whenever it is up. Otherwise, just keep running LB all day. and this obviously won't be too easy to do with boxing.

[Lyonheart]

I haven't been in the shaman scene since cata. and can't check talent trees at work. What did they give elementals for survival when they removed Astral shift. nothing? Shaman can take some beatings back then. Now I'd imagined you have to run sideways while casting LB. When they got near, earthbind, then run again. and finally TS, and run again. All the running, you chip in Lava burst whenever it is up. Otherwise, just keep running LB all day. and this obviously won't be too easy to do with boxing.

TS has a snare now as well

[remanz]

Right. I got that from the patch notes. The snare is definitely welcome.

But no compensation for Astral Shift removal when cata launched, so we just lost 30% damage reduction flat ? That seems pretty harsh to me.

Astral Shift was not OP like divine sacrifice for paladins.

[luxlunae]

No my quote was spot on. Over all raid content ele shaman is at the very bottom of the dps specs. There is simply no way to deny that, as all numbers will prove you wrong;

On 8 heroic fights (25) I've scored a top 200 rank in world of logs as ele shaman in 4.1. And on none of them I was the top dps in my raid, often facing a large gap with others, who were at only 80% of scoring a ranked kill for their spec.

Back in Wrath I once had a very frustrated conversation about my ele.

"Me: At this point I just try to out dps anyone that's stupid enough to die and any shadow priests"
"Reply: Really? They are buffing shadow priests next patch"
*SHAMAN RETIRED*

[zenga]

After playing the entire noon since patch is up on my main ele in BG's ... all I can say is WoW. It's fcking awesome with all the changes. Can't wait for AV this weekend and run around with multiple ele's.

Melee ... for the first time in 7 months they actually ran away from me. Self heals that crit for 50k :o (ghw)
The crit boost to healing spells is actually a serious boost for ele.

Being locked out of your nature school is still painful, but man I'm having a blast.

[Ashley]

The crit to healing spells is for every healing ability in the game that can already crit.

[zenga]

Obviously, but it's very welcome for ele shamans, something I never really realized when thinking about the 4.2 pvp buffs.

[Multibocks]

how are you taking advantage of running while casting LBs? You just not bother? Seems too difficult to be advantageous.

[zenga]

how are you taking advantage of running while casting LBs? You just not bother? Seems too difficult to be advantageous.

huh? if you move after rooting someone you can cast lb's and build up a stack of fulmination ,.... i don't really see whats hard with casting while for instance circle strafing ... of course you should bother

[Multibocks]

You can circle strafe on all 5?

[EaTCarbS]

You can circle strafe on all 5?

with the right keybinds, yes.

[Meshuggenah]

Atm with full bloodthirsty gear and vicious weps my lightning bolts are hitting for 8 k on lvl 85 dummies, while my equal geared hunter with spammable arcane shots hit for 10-12 k. So dmg is fairly low from a PvP point of view

Probably, I don't really PvP in WoW.


No my quote was spot on. Over all raid content ele shaman is at the very bottom of the dps specs. There is simply no way to deny that, as all numbers will prove you wrong; A good elemental is just competitive when there are multiple bosses active, for the simple fact he can dot up flame shocks and get thus more lava surge procs.

There are several Elemental Shamans in the top 200 damage done on 25H Chim (the only single target encounter in the entire tier that I can think of?). So, I'd say there is plenty of evidence that Elemental damage on single targets is competetive with other classes/specs. Flame shock on a couple of targets is not even in the same ballpark as double dotting Moonkins, Spriests, impact, DK cleave, Rogue cleave, Warrior cleave, hunter cleave . . . probably could have saved time and just said any other class in the game.

If you actually go through world of logs and look at the the damage split between targets on each fight, the single target damage done to focus targets (the boss) is competetive. The inflated numbers other classes get are, in most cases, caused by cleave. There's no way a Shaman of any spec can keep up with Rogue cleave on Heroic Magmaw, Warlocks on Maloriak, Mages on Halfus. It's just the way classes interact with cleave.

[zenga]

If you actually go through world of logs and look at the the damage split between targets on each fight, the single target damage done to focus targets (the boss) is competetive. The inflated numbers other classes get are, in most cases, caused by cleave. There's no way a Shaman of any spec can keep up with Rogue cleave on Heroic Magmaw, Warlocks on Maloriak, Mages on Halfus. It's just the way classes interact with cleave.

Top 200 parses are no evidence at all to prove the viability of a spec, because they are either the parses were rng was on your side, or they got dark intend / focus magic. They prove nothing. The only way that they are useful is to prove a spec is not viable: if you have #70 parse on fight A for your spec, and you are 6th on damage done in your raid, while others are nowhere near a ranked parse for their spec, it gives an indication.

The only viable data available are the simcraft results, which are theoretic numbers, and the collection of ALL world of logs parses, including the non ranked ones.

Like I said, on all single target encounters, ele shamans are near the bottom or at the bottom. It has nothing to do with cleave, since they are single target. I linked the data in question, so your claim that there is plenty of proof that ele is viable single target is simply crap (the more cause you use chimaeron, where there is a hit debuff). Maybe in your raid you are top single target, but that tells more about the others in your raid. (talking 4.1 btw). Just go to the site I linked and spend a few minutes browsing through the fights one by one, then come back and tell me again ele is competitive single target. Again, they contain ALL parses. And there are different ways to look at the data (all, medium, etc). They all give more or less the same result.

[Toned]

Ele died with the lich king.... maybe some day it will come back ><

[remanz]

How is enhance~

I noticed my enhanced shaman damage increased quite a bit in 4.2 comparing to pre-4.2. But he was not 85 yet.

[Shodokan]

How is enhance~

I noticed my enhanced shaman damage increased quite a bit in 4.2 comparing to pre-4.2. But he was not 85 yet.

It did increase a lot, but not enough to make it viable to 2200 or anything in my opinion, at least in 5's.

[Meshuggenah]

Top 200 parses are no evidence at all to prove the viability of a spec

I would prefer the realistic data provided by actual in-game combat of the top 10% of players to a combined log full of randoms, personally. Or to a simcraft calculation based entirely on stats with no input from movement or environmental/encounter effects. Especially when that log lists arms above fury, BM hunters above all mage specs, frost spec mages more than 10k DPS behind other specs.. I can see a dozen flawed results by clicking all DPS from my knowledge of comparative DPS alone.

That site is simply wrong. I assume it's wrong because it includes input from the bottom 90% of raiders, where there are a lot of bads to skew the numbers (myself included).

[Nikita]

Got my ele shamans up and running today in AV. Dmg is semi okay I guess, but any target who gets focused by 1 healer is hard to kill, and thats when my team stands freely to cast. The upside of my shaman is the new glyph which makes you able to cast LBs on the run, really helpfull in chasing ppl, FCs and such, BUT has limited use in arena im afraid :/ After a few AVs I switched to my 4 BM specced hunters and pretty much lolwtfpwnd every alliance player. The difference is insane!! Sent 3 of my 4 pets to a holy paladin hiding behind a tower I was defending, and by only spamming Kill Command, I was able to make him bubble, and eventually die :D cant wait to gear up my hunters in full vicious and try 5s again.

[Alemi]

Got my ele shamans up and running today in AV. Dmg is semi okay I guess, but any target who gets focused by 1 healer is hard to kill, and thats when my team stands freely to cast.

What's your gear like?

I can pretty much global people again with my 4 shamans and have been having a blast with them. With the new 4 piece bonus, fulmination hits like a truck and when i get 9 stacks, earth shock alone will one shot people. Really fun have a warrior bladestorm me and give me charges, target switching and killing someone outright with earth shock.

[valkry]

Ele died with the lich king.... maybe some day it will come back ><
Ele died with the Ulduar patch actually. Ever since then it's been catch-up.

Ulduar patch, same gear, same fights, same group, 1-1.5k less dps

[death]

What's your gear like?

I can pretty much global people again with my 4 shamans and have been having a blast with them. With the new 4 piece bonus, fulmination hits like a truck and when i get 9 stacks, earth shock alone will one shot people. Really fun have a warrior bladestorm me and give me charges, target switching and killing someone outright with earth shock.

i got 8 pieces of S9 over the AV weekend

[Ñightsham]

What's your gear like?

I can pretty much global people again with my 4 shamans and have been having a blast with them. With the new 4 piece bonus, fulmination hits like a truck and when i get 9 stacks, earth shock alone will one shot people. Really fun have a warrior bladestorm me and give me charges, target switching and killing someone outright with earth shock.


That's just freaking awesome LOL especially the warrior bladestorm deal

[Nikita]

What's your gear like?

I can pretty much global people again with my 4 shamans and have been having a blast with them. With the new 4 piece bonus, fulmination hits like a truck and when i get 9 stacks, earth shock alone will one shot people. Really fun have a warrior bladestorm me and give me charges, target switching and killing someone outright with earth shock.

Full bloodthirsty gear + the vicious weps and trinket. Perhaps its a gear issue :/ you gonna do arena with your shamans?

[Toned]

Ele died with the Ulduar patch actually. Ever since then it's been catch-up.

Ulduar patch, same gear, same fights, same group, 1-1.5k less dps

True I cleared everything in Wotlk as an ele sham, and towards the end of ICC geared out a hunter alt. It was ridiculous how hard I had to work to get top 5DPS... Got on my hunter I could drool on my keyboard for #1 dps slot.

[Alemi]

Full bloodthirsty gear + the vicious weps and trinket. Perhaps its a gear issue :/ you gonna do arena with your shamans?

That's the plan.

I pretty much dropped flame shock and lava burst from my rotation, completely and respeced into a full on lightning bolt spam machine. Mana is much more efficient using lightning bolt + chain lightning and, lightning bolt + chain lightning + earth shock, pretty much kills a target outright. 60k Fulminations on a target with no resilience is stupid. Even with max resilience you're looking at around 25k-30k with 9 stacks. It hits harder than lava burst without the ramp up.

That, and in arena, flame shock and lava burst are easy to see coming. Lava Flows is dispellable and spellstealable (and the last thing you want to do is give an arcane mage 90% haste) so I don't see it being too overly useful. With how fast I was generating charges, I want to use my shock cd for earth shock and fulminations. With the new unleashed lightning glyph is allows shamans to actually go offensive at the start of an arena match. Charge in, ramp up with a few lightning bolts + spiritwalkers to get a chain lightning while on the move and you should be able to drop a target and get a mobile hex in and turn the match to our advantage from the get go.

The biggest changes are the new 4 piece bonus and the undispellable nature of Lightning Shield, which we didn't have before.

[Nikita]

Seems like ele shamans will soon be viable in arena, since Blizz is uping the item lvl of PvP gear which equals more dmg :) we can only hope. New tacs for arena could be to flame shock one target then switch to another, making the other team believe an incoming burst is inc, then BAM!! Fulimination baby!!

Btw, do you get fulimination stacks on mastery procs? What do you gem and enchant for? Haste, intellect or mastery?

[Toned]

3 frost DK 3s is semi working... it's sad how any team with a DK = train the dk for profit lol.

[zenga]

Btw, do you get fulimination stacks on mastery procs? What do you gem and enchant for? Haste, intellect or mastery?

Yeah elemental overload can proc rolling thunder (extra lightning shield charge + mana restore).

[death]

Seems like ele shamans will soon be viable in arena, since Blizz is uping the item lvl of PvP gear which equals more dmg :) we can only hope. New tacs for arena could be to flame shock one target then switch to another, making the other team believe an incoming burst is inc, then BAM!! Fulimination baby!!

Btw, do you get fulimination stacks on mastery procs? What do you gem and enchant for? Haste, intellect or mastery?


im gemming for int and int haste, with some spell pen/int + spirit

just done an IoC and defended the docks against 6 people, feral kitty, affi lock, 2 warriors and a frost mage

FULMINATION FTW

im really noticing a difference with better gear and the 4.2 changes.....although now i have to grind for the 371's >.< after i grinded 7 pieces of 365 over AV weekend.....going to upgrade the remaining slots first though

[Alemi]

Seems like ele shamans will soon be viable in arena, since Blizz is uping the item lvl of PvP gear which equals more dmg :) we can only hope. New tacs for arena could be to flame shock one target then switch to another, making the other team believe an incoming burst is inc, then BAM!! Fulimination baby!!

Btw, do you get fulimination stacks on mastery procs? What do you gem and enchant for? Haste, intellect or mastery?

I played about 40 games yesterday trying different things, trying to get a feel for what works and what doesn't and trying to remember how to play arena. I'm way out of practice from my Duelist days. Shiznit. Interact with target spam, while hysterical to see a warrior shit his pants with 4 ele shaman running circles around him, wasn't so good since it pretty much killed my healing (since i'm 5 boxing). For you 4 boxers out there with a healer, it should work great for you against melee.

I gem int then haste. I'm probably going to reforge my gear tonight towards haste as well.

Mastery, while nice, is still too RNG based. I've always preferred stats that are a flat benefit. Just my two cents.

[Multibocks]

When using Spellsteal on a shaman, Lava Flows will no longer be given to the mage as a buff. The buff, however, will be removed from the shaman.


Hmm...

[Nikita]

I played about 40 games yesterday trying different things, trying to get a feel for what works and what doesn't and trying to remember how to play arena. I'm way out of practice from my Duelist days. Shiznit. Interact with target spam, while hysterical to see a warrior shit his pants with 4 ele shaman running circles around him, wasn't so good since it pretty much killed my healing (since i'm 5 boxing). For you 4 boxers out there with a healer, it should work great for you against melee.

I gem int then haste. I'm probably going to reforge my gear tonight towards haste as well.

Mastery, while nice, is still too RNG based. I've always preferred stats that are a flat benefit. Just my two cents.

I think im gonna farm full s10 gear, gem, enchant and reforge to mastery + get a mastery use/proc trinket :) ill let you guys know how it goes :)

[Multibocks]

Sounds cool, let us know how it goes.

[Kruschpakx4]

havent done any arenas since patch but from what I've seen in bgs so far, quad ele should work again in 5s - at least for 2.2

but I still dont know how I should reforge everything, either max crit and hope for lava burst/fulmination oneshots or full mastery, I'm a bit scared of the mana regg so mastery should be better, hopefully blizzard fixes ele mana reg asap

and wtf is this shit with team names, blizzard reduced the max letters for an arena team name to 23 so I have no friends cleave (24) doesnt work anymore :/

[Shodokan]

havent done any arenas since patch but from what I've seen in bgs so far, quad ele should work again in 5s - at least for 2.2

but I still dont know how I should reforge everything, either max crit and hope for lava burst/fulmination oneshots or full mastery, I'm a bit scared of the mana regg so mastery should be better, hopefully blizzard fixes ele mana reg asap

and wtf is this shit with team names, blizzard reduced the max letters for an arena team name to 23 so I have no friends cleave (24) doesnt work anymore :/

What have you seen that changes your mind?

[zenga]

Lava flows that can be dispelled is a f**** retarded mechanic btw... dispell flame shock on target + dispel lava flows on ele. Ele -> double fucked. There is no way any good dispeller should not take of flame shock.

I doubt a full mastery build is viable tbh compared to a full haste build. Having my shamans now at 1800 haste which accounts for a 1.6 LB cast and 20% overload (missing 3-4 pieces of 371). With a full mastery build I'm near 30% overload. But with 1.9s cast on LB ... The difference is pretty huge. Trinkets I'll be using are the sp on use (http://www.wowhead.com/item=70518) and the mastery on use (http://www.wowhead.com/item=70142) from the molten vendors. So far I've been running around with mastery proc (http://www.wowhead.com/item=65105) The ability to combine mastery trinket with on use sp is pretty crazy burst.

[Alemi]

I doubt a full mastery build is viable tbh compared to a full haste build. Having my shamans now at 1800 haste which accounts for a 1.6 LB cast and 20% overload (missing 3-4 pieces of 371). With a full mastery build I'm near 30% overload. But with 1.9s cast on LB ... The difference is pretty huge. Trinkets I'll be using are the sp on use (http://www.wowhead.com/item=70518) and the mastery on use (http://www.wowhead.com/item=70142) from the molten vendors. So far I've been running around with mastery proc (http://www.wowhead.com/item=65105) The ability to combine mastery trinket with on use sp is pretty crazy burst.

I'm back and forth and back and forth on this. I ran full haste and had my LB's down to 1.6 seconds/21% overload but found that mana started to become a real issue (and I run with replenishment on 100% uptime). I switched back to mastery 1.9 second lb/26% overload, but feel like the benefit is just meh too.

I think I'm going to switch back to haste just to try to get more casts off before I start getting chain kicked/silenced. I like the survivability that I have now and playing around, tweaking things here and there - but I still feel like our biggest concern is mana. Healing Surge is mana hog for little benefit, but GHW is a sign that screams "KICK THIS LONG CAST."

I find that unless a big defensive cd is used, fast, a Flame Shock, Lava Burst, Chain Lightning, Fire Nova, Earth Shock pretty much kills anything.

[zenga]

I see your point, but ...



I find that unless a big defensive cd is used, fast, a Flame Shock, Lava Burst, Chain Lightning, Fire Nova, Earth Shock pretty much kills anything.
... why on earth would you fire nova, unless it's against another boxer?

[Alemi]

I see your point, but ...


... why on earth would you fire nova, unless it's against another boxer?

Instant & out of nature school so I don't risk locking out my earth shock/fulmination by trying to squeeze in a Lightning Bolt (which I've found to be one of the biggest issues), and by that time I'm usually cleaved and have 2-3 melee on me so it's extra splash damage. The only other real option to toss in there is a lightning bolt or wait a few seconds of down time to earth shock. I've found the fire nova to be pretty useful with the multitude of melee cleave teams.

I've tried unleash elements but I hate the ramp up time/opening for dispels and with it being nature school again, it's really fucking useless.

[Kruschpakx4]

What have you seen that changes your mind?

new 4p set bonus and 200% heal crits, last season I was close to 2k with pally healer then droppt to 1800 with druid, I wont break the 2.4 mark like s8 but 2.2 should be no big deal

[Nikita]

So Ive geared my shamans abit, they are now in 1/3 Bloodthirsty, 1/3 Vicious (s9) and 1/3 in s10 gear. Done a few arena matches, trying to get used to the play style again. Flame Shock, Lava Burst, Chain Lightning, Earth Shock combos will kill full PvP geared 120-140 k players. Huuuurrfuckingay! Ele shamans are once again, viable in arena. Congratz all

My kill macro:

/castsequence reset=/8 Vicious Gladiator's Badge of Dominance, Elemental Mastery, Lava Burst, Chain Lightning, Earth Shock

[zenga]

My kill macro:

/castsequence reset=/8 Vicious Gladiator's Badge of Dominance, Elemental Mastery, Lava Burst, Chain Lightning, Earth Shock

done you cast flame shock?
also you can write that macro as
/use 13
/cast EM
/castsequence FS, LvB, CL, ....

[Nikita]

done you cast flame shock?
also you can write that macro as
/use 13
/cast EM
/castsequence FS, LvB, CL, ....

You can use that combo to kill ppl without FS. But yeah, I do use FS but on another keybinding

[Shodokan]

You can use that combo to kill ppl without FS. But yeah, I do use FS but on another keybinding

FS makes it a guaranteed crit...why would you not use it?

[Nikita]

It depends on the situation, when I pop FS ppl expect dmg inc. And if a target is low, FS isnt needed. But I use the FS combo pretty much all the time :)

[death]

im at 25% win rate in 3s, doing it for points, yet to find a decent healer for 5v5

[Nikita]

After 2 days playing in 5s with different healers Ive reached 1350 rating. Ive had about 40 games or so, gonna continue tomorrow. Shamans are back, and its great fun :) The best healer for this comp is priest, you need a mobile healer with abit of CC to manage wins now. But all in all, its good to be back wit dem lightning orbz.

[Yahtzee]

After 2 days playing in 5s with different healers Ive reached 1350 rating. Ive had about 40 games or so, gonna continue tomorrow. Shamans are back, and its great fun :) The best healer for this comp is priest, you need a mobile healer with abit of CC to manage wins now. But all in all, its good to be back wit dem lightning orbz.

I've actually really been enjoying the company of a holy paladin friend. If he gets trained he can bubble, if I get trained by a melee team he'll throw out a BoP, and Hammer of Justice is really nice for keeping a target in place long enough to burst it down.

As for shamans in general, while I haven't played my Shaman team a whole lot since the patch, I sure am enjoying it. It feels fresh with the recent changes, and at the very least competitive in mid-range arena. With the change to healing crits, tossing down a healing rain and earthquake against a melee cleave team is absolutely phenomenal.

100% loving my shamans.

[Littleburst]

I've actually really been enjoying the company of a holy paladin friend. If he gets trained he can bubble, if I get trained by a melee team he'll throw out a BoP, and Hammer of Justice is really nice for keeping a target in place long enough to burst it down.

As for shamans in general, while I haven't played my Shaman team a whole lot since the patch, I sure am enjoying it. It feels fresh with the recent changes, and at the very least competitive in mid-range arena. With the change to healing crits, tossing down a healing rain and earthquake against a melee cleave team is absolutely phenomenal.

100% loving my shamans.

Those have always been the 2 healers to accompany boxers in arena. It's personal preference combined with the skill of the people you played with. I've had insane priests and OK paladins. Eventually got my 2k with a paladin though. It's all down to playstyle. A paladin is a bit more sturdy and has a ranged stun. Priests can die quickly if you're vs a heavy physical team, but got a very powerful fearbomb + mass dispel. I like to think priest is for offensive playstyle, paladin for more defensive.

[Nikita]

Those have always been the 2 healers to accompany boxers in arena. It's personal preference combined with the skill of the people you played with. I've had insane priests and OK paladins. Eventually got my 2k with a paladin though. It's all down to playstyle. A paladin is a bit more sturdy and has a ranged stun. Priests can die quickly if you're vs a heavy physical team, but got a very powerful fearbomb + mass dispel. I like to think priest is for offensive playstyle, paladin for more defensive.

I played with 2 different healers yesterday, one was a paladin, full s10 geared with the Ruthless shoulders (except weapons), and a priest with only 3,3 k resilience. Both had over 2000-21000 rating experience in RBG and arena. The paladin was lacking mobile healing, while the priest was throwing out insane heals while bein trained long enough for me to kill the other players.

Hex and Wind Shear on a target arena 1-2-3-4 macro is too much fun to tap! :)

[Mercbeast]

I played with 2 different healers yesterday, one was a paladin, full s10 geared with the Ruthless shoulders (except weapons), and a priest with only 3,3 k resilience. Both had over 2000-21000 rating experience in RBG and arena. The paladin was lacking mobile healing, while the priest was throwing out insane heals while bein trained long enough for me to kill the other players.

Hex and Wind Shear on a target arena 1-2-3-4 macro is too much fun to tap! :)

I'm leveling shamans up right now.

I'm considering 2 DK's 2 Shamans currently, backed up by an outside healer or my paladin.

[Nikita]

I'm leveling shamans up right now.

I'm considering 2 DK's 2 Shamans currently, backed up by an outside healer or my paladin.

Just saw a movie on an enhancement shaman using a 2H, he had critts up to 50 k on pvp geared players, and consistent hits of 30-40 k!

[Multibocks]

Inconceivable!

[Shodokan]

Just saw a movie on an enhancement shaman using a 2H, he had critts up to 50 k on pvp geared players, and consistent hits of 30-40 k!

That is with windfury + crit + stormstrike

you sacrifice way too much damage(lava lash can crit very high) and maelstrom procs going dual wield.

[death]

You can use that combo to kill ppl without FS. But yeah, I do use FS but on another keybinding

me and a friend were discussing the burst potential of these combos

EM, Trinket, FS, UE, LvB, CL and Trinket, FS, UE LvB, EM, CL, as tot the 2nd one with the insta CL, would hit roughly the same time as the LvB.

what do you guys think would provide more burst potential, the insta LvB or the Insta CL after hard cast LvB?

[Nikita]

me and a friend were discussing the burst potential of these combos

EM, Trinket, FS, UE, LvB, CL and Trinket, FS, UE LvB, EM, CL, as tot the 2nd one with the insta CL, would hit roughly the same time as the LvB.

what do you guys think would provide more burst potential, the insta LvB or the Insta CL after hard cast LvB?


My kill rotation is like this:

Keybind 1:

/castsequence reset=5 Flame Shock, Unleash Elements


Keybind 2:

/assist focus
/use Ruthless Gladiator's Badge of Dominance
/use 10
/use Lifeblood
/cast Elemental Mastery
/castsequence reset=/8 Lava Burst, Chain Lightning, Earth Shock


This hits like a damn truck!

I make sure that all 4 shamans have 7-9 lightning orbs on their shields :) CL doesnt take long too cast, as Im reforging everything to haste on my shamans.

[Mercbeast]

That is with windfury + crit + stormstrike

you sacrifice way too much damage(lava lash can crit very high) and maelstrom procs going dual wield.

This post confuses me. Is this in support of 2h for Shaman or against it?

[Multibocks]

I think hes against it, because it requires the stars to align for that kind of damage... but I'm not sure. Considering my DKs will only give max around 30k damage each in a global(pvp geared target).. I think its pretty good.

[Mercbeast]

I think hes against it, because it requires the stars to align for that kind of damage... but I'm not sure. Considering my DKs will only give max around 30k damage each in a global(pvp geared target).. I think its pretty good.

Ya...

I mean, those are some SILLY numbers being thrown up in that video. 30k's pretty regularly and the occasional 50k...

It just so happens that I have 4 shamans closing in on 85.

Right now I am looking at subbing 2 Shamans into my team. It might not be better than 4 DK's but it might just round the team out more. Besides all it will take is one shaman to pop off one of those monster crits and that guy is basically dead.

I'll for sure check out the DPS between 2h and dw, however I am sort of thinking that a 2h DPS setup will not only be more efficient for boxing, since DW dps is so proc based, but much easier to pull off due to its simplicity.

[Nikita]

For those of you wondering about ele shamans burst capability, I frapsed a video of me and my shamans doing some target practice on a 2,6 k resilience retri paladin with kings buff and 123 k HP! I dropped him with only 4 x FS, UE, s10 trinket and Lava Burst. Im in almost full s10 gear, fully gemmed with intellect and reforged to haste :)

[Mercbeast]

What do we think is going to perform better, ele or enhance?

My Shamans are gonna be 85 in the next day or two and I'm wondering which set of gear I should work towards first!

[Nikita]

PvP or PvE?

[Mercbeast]

PvP or PvE?

PvP

[Nikita]

PvP

Well, we all know boxing ele shamans work in arena. Im currently have 1500 rating in 5s without a struggle, havent hit the roof @ all. Im not sure about enhancement shamanas performance, BUT everytime I meet one in arena, I choose a warrior first! They got good healing spells, and do good dmg. Ive just finished gearing up in elemental gear, getting enhancement gear is next on my list. Gonna try running 4 enhancement shamans with 2H + priest in arena

[Mercbeast]

Well, we all know boxing ele shamans work in arena. Im currently have 1500 rating in 5s without a struggle, havent hit the roof @ all. Im not sure about enhancement shamanas performance, BUT everytime I meet one in arena, I choose a warrior first! They got good healing spells, and do good dmg. Ive just finished gearing up in elemental gear, getting enhancement gear is next on my list. Gonna try running 4 enhancement shamans with 2H + priest in arena

That 2h video is interesting. However he was using zerker buff everytime.

What is intriguing about 2h for me is that I think the DPS cycle on 2h is probably easier to manage than on dw.

[Multibocks]

oh I didnt know that, using zerker buff is cheating. Got my hopes all up.

[smalltanker]

Doesn't the troll racial and a herbalism "lifeblood" haste buff get you close to a Berzerker buff speed? Might be an option for those that run horde shaman which is what I do.

[Toned]

Well, we all know boxing ele shamans work in arena. Im currently have 1500 rating in 5s without a struggle, havent hit the roof @ all. Im not sure about enhancement shamanas performance, BUT everytime I meet one in arena, I choose a warrior first! They got good healing spells, and do good dmg. Ive just finished gearing up in elemental gear, getting enhancement gear is next on my list. Gonna try running 4 enhancement shamans with 2H + priest in arena

What's your win/loss ratio? Are you over 50%?

[Nikita]

What's your win/loss ratio? Are you over 50%?

I did a few matches with a setup of 1 mage + 4 ele shamans, and a few matches with a scrub paladin. Didnt work out until I found a great priest.

My stats with the priest is currently 44 - 35. But atleast we win more then we lose now. Been gearing up, and Im now finished :) Broke the 1550 achievement today, I think it went like 8 wins 3 loss.

[remanz]

The problem with getting ratings up early in the season is that you will meet the good teams on their way up. All your hard earned ratings will be ended up feeding them.

its best to let them pass you and play the catch up.

The block comes at around 1900. If you can break that, 2200 is within reach.

[Nikita]

The problem with getting ratings up early in the season is that you will meet the good teams on their way up. All your hard earned ratings will be ended up feeding them.

its best to let them pass you and play the catch up.

The block comes at around 1900. If you can break that, 2200 is within reach.

Ive heard this before, and I know its doable with ele shamans. Once Im in full ruthless you have enough burst to take on any combo :)

[Toned]

Ele shams are a lot more effort that DKs atm... I'm still mashing away with the DKs using a priest who was in mostly lvl 80 pvp gear... Yes level 80 (he quit with cata launch).

I tried a few diff games and comps with my shamans, but I concluded as long as DKs are working I'm going to leave the shams shelved (But I need force myself to keep conquest capping for Gear).

I went 9-15 playing all 5 toons... soon as I found out that Psychopriest was back I hit him up, and went 34-25. Now I'm just waiting on him to farm gear.

[Nikita]

I just hit a losing streak! Soooo fuckin annoying! Im down 70 rating, and now Im @ 1505 again.....

[remanz]

I just hit a losing streak! Soooo fuckin annoying! Im down 70 rating, and now Im @ 1505 again.....

Well. don't get discouraged. have to know when to stop. Some nights you have it. Some nights you don't. Its like gambling lol. and admit some teams just have your number.


and like I said, better let the pros pass you. Knowing that you are practicing and possibly feeding the pros, you should not be too demoralized at those losses.

EDIT:
the hardest part at this for me is that I cannot find a partner (healer) that wishes to lose with me, learn the fight. Its all nice and easy when I win. After losing 4-5 in a roll, they just quit.
So I ended up mostly 5 boxing.

[Mercbeast]

Well BGing at 83 with 4 enhance shamans is one of the most frustrating things when compared to DK's.

There is no comparison at this point, the reverse mobility grip gives you just makes the team. I'll go with elemental on the shamans now, no chance of running enhance I don't think. Two ele + 2 DK + paladin or outside healer could be interesting.

The Ele's at the very least will be providing a constant source of solid ranged dps.

[Nikita]

Well. don't get discouraged. have to know when to stop. Some nights you have it. Some nights you don't. Its like gambling lol. and admit some teams just have your number.


and like I said, better let the pros pass you. Knowing that you are practicing and possibly feeding the pros, you should not be too demoralized at those losses.

EDIT:
the hardest part at this for me is that I cannot find a partner (healer) that wishes to lose with me, learn the fight. Its all nice and easy when I win. After losing 4-5 in a roll, they just quit.
So I ended up mostly 5 boxing.

Yeah, my healer knows the limitations, and also the potential of this combo. And losing 5-7 fights in a row (havent happened yet) is frustrating for both. But for every fight we lose, we stop queing and discuss what went wrong, and we learn from it! We've beaten tough combos like warrior, DK, 2 x rogues and holy pala. Its all in the learning process :) and its fun!

[Toned]

Don't queue on Tuesdays, if you lose 2 or 3 in a row stop queueing for a bit.

[Kruschpakx4]

The only way to master an opponent is to get practise, losing 10 games in a row is still more useful than not queueing except you are already high rated. 4 of my 7 loss this season were against a boomkin/rogue/mage/disc/rshaman comp, theres not much to do against smokebomb+ solar beam, but I still managed to pull out 2 wins at the end by just zerging the mage, four ele shamans dpsing a mage creates incredible much pressure, save grounding totems for solar beam and at least 2 thunder storms for smokebomb if he got shadowstep ready. The most annoying thing is solar beam+smokebomb together because my pally cant heal without using bubble, if hes running in hes getting silienced and I cant run out due to kidney/df/70% slow poison and usually die in this situation when I got no trinket ready, solar beam has only one minute cooldown and rogues also place two smokebomb within a minute when using combat readiness.
So the only way I could defeat them was by zerging the mage and every shaman focus shocking the druid, costs a lot of mana but once the mage uses iceblock I can oneshot him afterwards with instant lava burst/earth shock easily. A well timed hammer on the rogue while bursting is also a good idea.

... so basic strat survive until all shamans have 9 orbs of lightning shield, pruge your focus target and flame shock him wait about 2 sec perhaps dropp grounding totems between or fake cast something, if they dont dispel flame shocks then unleash elements- instant lava burst - earth shock, thats usually a guaranteed kill, my pally is also using aura mastery shortly before I start to burst to prevent soft counter/silience effects like strangulate/garrote .. (if he got aura mastery ready wich is not always possible if our opponents focus all counters on him)
and its always better to not cast anything a few sec before you use your cooldowns except you know that none of your toons was interrupted on that cast, dont forget you get also lightning orbs by recieving damage (recommending to use interface addons like xperl to track how many lightning shield orbs each shaman has), at the beginning of each match I'm starting with fs lava burst to eat melee kicks into fire school so I can cast lightnings and stack the shield up faster (most people still think 4 lava bursts are going to oneshot someone :D)

oh and yeah against resto druid teams switch a lot, it doesnt make sense to dps someone who got 3 stacks of lifebloom and other trash hots

[Nikita]

Well. don't get discouraged. have to know when to stop. Some nights you have it. Some nights you don't. Its like gambling lol. and admit some teams just have your number.


and like I said, better let the pros pass you. Knowing that you are practicing and possibly feeding the pros, you should not be too demoralized at those losses.

EDIT:
the hardest part at this for me is that I cannot find a partner (healer) that wishes to lose with me, learn the fight. Its all nice and easy when I win. After losing 4-5 in a roll, they just quit.
So I ended up mostly 5 boxing.

I hit a really big losing streak, and went from 1578 to 1412 in 2 days. Now Im up @ 1615, MMR closing in on 1700. The last match I did today was against DK/Warr/Rogue/Retadin/H-pala. Their team MMR was 2,150 k! Got their warr down to 30 k hp, but had to heal my priest up. Next time ill be more greedy on handing out TS to opponents, and stack on top of a pillar against 4 melee + 1 healer teams. We also went 3-1 against a 3 healer 2 dps team. After 1 loss we knew what to do, survive the first burst wave and go really defensive, stack up 9 lightning shield orbs on all shamans, quick hex then burst rotation!

[death]

my shamans have reached 1115 in 3v3 now

[Nikita]

my shamans have reached 1115 in 3v3 now

Whats your win ratio like? As long as your having fun, and get points for it :)

[death]

my win ratio is something like 70-100 for the season, but going up slowly, and yeah having fun

[Nikita]

Anyone know of a high rated shaman multiboxer these days?

[death]

nope, i obly know of you and me nikita, im at 1255 with only one night of 5v5 done....what kinda of combos do you lose too?, ive lost to warrior/dk/rogue/Rsham and Rdruid tonight, as a shaman how do you counter heavy melee + 2 heals

[Nikita]

Ive beaten 3 healer 2 melee combos. Ive beaten 4 mages 1 priest combos, Ive beaten 4 mages 1 rogue combo. But what really destroys me is rogue, warr, DK , hpala, Priest/shaman/druid combos. They are the hardest. My tacs for these fights is to purge both the warrior and the DK. Try to force the DK to use his anti magic shell real early. Then do a quick hex, and start nuking either one of em. My priest will also try and fear the healer when I do this.

[Shodokan]

Ive beaten 3 healer 2 melee combos. Ive beaten 4 mages 1 priest combos, Ive beaten 4 mages 1 rogue combo. But what really destroys me is rogue, warr, DK , hpala, Priest/shaman/druid combos. They are the hardest. My tacs for these fights is to purge both the warrior and the DK. Try to force the DK to use his anti magic shell real early. Then do a quick hex, and start nuking either one of em. My priest will also try and fear the healer when I do this.

Tatic vs that team...

Wait for smoke bomb and use your round-robin t-storms. Purge the warrior and dk like you said and get DK to use AMS/AMZ (if unholy). DK is your best target as he has the least amount of defensive cooldowns. Keep the rogue hexed as much as you can and keep your grounding totems down. Switch to paladin for lava bursts to force bubble, wait for 7-9 shield stacks and then burst down either the dk or warrior (depending on what the warrior is doing)

[Nikita]

Peaked @ 1748 today, stopped playing! Qued up later and dropped to 1668 :/ 2 points from the achievement sucks! But we'll get there :)

[Alemi]

I was in the same boat... stones throw from 1700 and back down to 1560 after facing what felt like every possible spell cleave over and over. Melee teams aren't a huge problem unless they get a ton of control on me early and i can't down either the warrior or dk. Usually start with someone as a decoy target and focus target whatever i feel like killing and then blowing them up.

Very rarely will something live through the FS/UE/LVB combo. Once I get the moonwell chalice on Tuesday it'll be even more ridiculous.

[Nikita]

Ive lost too many fights due to lack of dmg. Too many times my kill target has less then 5 k hp left after my kill rotation, so in 2 weeks I get the Ruthless dagger which will be a huge upgrade from the s9 mace. Cant wait to reach 2 k with this team :)

[death]

think 2k is possible?

[Nikita]

I think 2 k is very possible, if me and my healer que at the right time we can farm 100-200 rating in 2-4 hours

[death]

ive been losing a few games, reached 1504 though, dropped from 1200 to 1135 in 3v3 though (3 ele), can you tell me your playstyle in 5v5 do you place totems then wait for them to come to you, or totem, spirit walker's grace and nuke one down

[death]

1130 Rating before i quit for the night, i think if i lose 2-3 games in a row ill quit it for a while from now on

[Nikita]

I almost never play offensive, I place totems down and wait for their opening! I use spiritwalkers grace for when I hard switch to a healer which has used his defensive CDs. I usualy purge buffs from my kill targets when they open, then I try to do a perfect hex before using CDs to finish em off

[Alemi]

ive been losing a few games, reached 1504 though, dropped from 1200 to 1135 in 3v3 though (3 ele), can you tell me your playstyle in 5v5 do you place totems then wait for them to come to you, or totem, spirit walker's grace and nuke one down

For me, it depends on the map and the team I'm playing. Back in BC/WOTLK, the general strategy was to drop totems and wait for them to come to you. Mostly, due to tremor totems and so we could prevent getting sapped. I've gotten so used to this strategy that, for the most part, I stick with it.

The only map I usually rush on/go really offensive is Ring of Valor. Mount, run in, immediately purge someone to get in combat (prevents sap) and then nuke to my hearts content. Ruins of Lord depends on how fast the other team makes it to the center ruin, if I can get around it before they can, then I'll go offensive. Nagrand is just LOS city, so it's almost always a park and wait. Sewers BEM is the same (getting a kill anywhere but on the bridge/center of the platform makes it way too easy for them to get a rezz off).

That said, I'm used to the waiting game. I like to make them fight me on my terms even though it allows them to get a bit of control on me at the start.

Edit: Keep in mind I'm 5 boxing too unlike you two so I have to really play cautiously.

[death]

For me, it depends on the map and the team I'm playing. Back in BC/WOTLK, the general strategy was to drop totems and wait for them to come to you. Mostly, due to tremor totems and so we could prevent getting sapped. I've gotten so used to this strategy that, for the most part, I stick with it.

The only map I usually rush on/go really offensive is Ring of Valor. Mount, run in, immediately purge someone to get in combat (prevents sap) and then nuke to my hearts content. Ruins of Lord depends on how fast the other team makes it to the center ruin, if I can get around it before they can, then I'll go offensive. Nagrand is just LOS city, so it's almost always a park and wait. Sewers BEM is the same (getting a kill anywhere but on the bridge/center of the platform makes it way too easy for them to get a rezz off).

That said, I'm used to the waiting game. I like to make them fight me on my terms even though it allows them to get a bit of control on me at the start.

Edit: Keep in mind I'm 5 boxing too unlike you two so I have to really play cautiously.


i can relate to that (in 3s) i do w/o a healer, currently getting my rating back to 1200 after a losing streak last nite, damn pally healers/rogues :(

[Littleburst]

Guys, could you tell me what you generally crit for with Lvb/LB/fulmination? I always thought it was nerfed really hard, untill i got a 24k Lvb on me from a full vicious shaman while I was wearing 4k resilience. You guys get the same numbers aswell when you pop trinket?

[Alemi]

Guys, could you tell me what you generally crit for with Lvb/LB/fulmination? I always thought it was nerfed really hard, untill i got a 24k Lvb on me from a full vicious shaman while I was wearing 4k resilience. You guys get the same numbers aswell when you pop trinket?

Sounds about right for me... I got a 48k crit yesterday w/out UE on a no resilience target.

[death]

seen as low as (LvB) 24K seen as high as 42/52k. (fulm) 46k crit

[zenga]

Guys, could you tell me what you generally crit for with Lvb/LB/fulmination? I always thought it was nerfed really hard, untill i got a 24k Lvb on me from a full vicious shaman while I was wearing 4k resilience. You guys get the same numbers aswell when you pop trinket?

On a non resilience target ...

http://i55.tinypic.com/mab5w6.jpg

This was within a 4 seconds time frame, all procs up with double dps trinket and 15k spellpower. My LvB generally crits for 30k on full resilience.

Oh and btw, i just read this ...

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/icons/ishamans.gif Shaman (Forums (http://www.mmo-champion.com/forums/276-Shaman) / Talent Calculator (http://www.wowtal.com/#k=..shaman) / Skills/Talents (http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1124-Shaman-Cataclysm))

Shamanism (Elemental passive) now causes Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, and Lava Burst spells to gain an additional 32% benefit from the shaman’s spell power, up from 20%.

[Alemi]

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/icons/ishamans.gif Shaman (Forums (http://www.mmo-champion.com/forums/276-Shaman) / Talent Calculator (http://www.wowtal.com/#k=..shaman) / Skills/Talents (http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1124-Shaman-Cataclysm))

Shamanism (Elemental passive) now causes Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, and Lava Burst spells to gain an additional 32% benefit from the shaman’s spell power, up from 20%.



Nerf to Moonwell Chalice is huge though, but it'll allow us to have a on use trinket back to back.

[Fat Tire]

nvm ; I

[Kruschpakx4]

have full 371 gear, s9 t2 wep, instant lava burst does about 52-58k with cds up (em bloodfury 14 ue), since that shamanism hotfix instant lava burst is as powerful as a fulmination crit with 9 orbs

calculating with 42% resilience 55k*0.58 *4 = 127,6k thats about as much as a full geared dk has, lets see how arena works this week

[Littleburst]

have full 371 gear, s9 t2 wep, instant lava burst does about 52-58k with cds up (em bloodfury 14 ue), since that shamanism hotfix instant lava burst is as powerful as a fulmination crit with 9 orbs

calculating with 42% resilience 55k*0.58 *4 = 127,6k thats about as much as a full geared dk has, lets see how arena works this week
Let's do that please :D

I doubt i'll get back into it, but those numbers really look good.

[Selz]

O-M-G.......just returned from holiday and read this, which ive been looking for 6 months

im getting exited again :p

[Toned]

The 12% buff is kinda nice :P My season 9 geared toons are doing decent numbers... Might be enough to motivated me to BG the 371 gear

[Shodokan]

The 12% buff is kinda nice :P My season 9 geared toons are doing decent numbers... Might be enough to motivated me to BG the 371 gear

It has me wanting to level my shammies....

[Kruschpakx4]

It has me wanting to level my shammies....

not sure if that makes the shaman team better than dks, will see have both now but dks not full geared

[Toned]

I have both teams at 85 in season 9 gear. Dks have a few pieces of the new 384 gear. I only tried 3 boxing 3s with ele. I haven't been forcing myself to cap points like I should have been :P

[Shodokan]

not sure if that makes the shaman team better than dks, will see have both now but dks not full geared

Not so much to replace dks (all i do is arena on them anyway), but to add a 2ndary good team to play... not sold on my warriors. But if the damage is as high as you say theres a good chance that lightning bolt + instant lvb will kill someone (no elemental mastery procs), and another chain/lb and fulmination will kill a 2nd.

[zenga]

FYI In PVE the shamanism buff was accounting for about 3-4k dps increase in my raid tonight, depending on the fight.

[Kruschpakx4]

went to 1780 today ~2k mmr, although 8-7 sounds bad, I had 4 loss due to hardware/software problems, 3 loss due to gameplay fails (2 me 1 healer)


the comp feels really strong again, fs ue instant lava burst was in 90% of all cases enough to oneshot mages/warriors/dks without prepurging, mostly used fulmination in combination with some lightning bolts -chainlight-shock which works pretty well against classes like paladin/mages because they usually they save their bubble/block for that em+ lava burst

but anyway too much looses today, found out that I have no heal macro for my pally when it was too late, a screen freeze on main, shift key stucked (guess I should stop smashing buttons), only thing that missed was a disconnect

however I'm looking forward to break 2k within that id

[Shodokan]

went to 1780 today ~2k mmr, although 8-7 sounds bad, I had 4 loss due to hardware/software problems, 3 loss due to gameplay fails (2 me 1 healer)


the comp feels really strong again, fs ue instant lava burst was in 90% of all cases enough to oneshot mages/warriors/dks without prepurging, mostly used fulmination in combination with some lightning bolts -chainlight-shock which works pretty well against classes like paladin/mages because they usually they save their bubble/block for that em+ lava burst

but anyway too much looses today, found out that I have no heal macro for my pally when it was too late, a screen freeze on main, shift key stucked (guess I should stop smashing buttons), only thing that missed was a disconnect

however I'm looking forward to break 2k within that id

Good to hear man. Making me wanna level my shammies and drop my warriors...

[Barazanthul]

Go Krusch,

time for some 2,2k weapons on your shamans again and some flamethreads on mmo-champion.com like season 8 :)

[Shodokan]

Go Krusch,

time for some 2,2k weapons on your shamans again and some flamethreads on mmo-champion.com like season 8 :)

Shaman are 81 for me... i'll join him soon =P

My dks didn't get flame threads when i hit 2200 in 3's or 5's last season though.

[Toned]

That's because everyone was qqin over the 2900 double dk paladin team.

[remanz]

Great. At least I didn't level my shamans for nothing. Can I also squeeze in another owl for better damage.

[Void]

Smoke bomb is going to make me rage quit! sigh

[zenga]

Thunderstorm knocks ppl out of a smoke bomb

[Homer]

Could be. First I was thinking, that could be OP. But then again, you need several Flame shocks rolling to get a good proc rate. Which are dispellable. Besides that it's not like you got much to offer atm anyway, as ele sham in a pvp scenario.

If you dispell a FS your screwed lol 90% haste is it not?

[Multibocks]

Yes.


Question for the shaman PvP pros here. How are you doing your dpsing? Castsequence macros or just straight up pressing each ability? Also what's a good blow em up macro?

[death]

im using a mix of both,

Macro im using

#showtooltip Flame Shock
/cast Elemental Mastery
/use Vicious Gladiator's Badge of Dominance
/castsequence reset=12/combat/target Flame Shock, Unleash Elements, Lava Burst, Chain Lightning

,Earth Shock (optional at the end of chain lightning)

[Littleburst]

If you dispell a FS your screwed lol 90% haste is it not?

Depends, If you got people who are stupid enough to stand in the open while dispelling Flame shock. Any decent team will seek shelter to dispell it. I was mainly talking about the usefullnes of Fire Nova. If you get flameshocks rolling on 4 targets, that can be fun. But as said, I don't expect that to happen, since they'll dispell them off if they're able to think.

[zenga]

What are the odds that your opponents stand within 10y range from eachother? Fire nova does not do damage to the target it's on, only to ppl in a 10y radius around the target. Nor does it increase the duration of flame shock on the target it's on, only on the targets that get hit by fire nova.

Yeah if you play against another multiboxer this is particularly fun, or in an AV turtle. Or vs a 4 man melee team that stands on top of you the entire time :).

Apart from that it's a waste of mana in arena to me. Unless a healer stands for instance close to a target with FS on him and wants to drink.

[Void]

Well i spend most of the past 2-3 days gearing my shamans in vicious gear (still 5 pieces of blue crap to replace) and finaly decided to give arena a try with pinot's priest. We went 8-4 and are almost 1500 rating already. I feel the power returning to me with every upgrade. I do find use for earthquake against melee teams. It may cost alot of mana but it usualy gives me enough breathing room to land a kill. I think with full ruthless gear 2200 will be obtainable, maybe even before then. Anyway just letting others know of my success for the night we plan to do more games tomorrow. Maybe get to 1700-1800. Smokebomb sucks ass btw!!! good luck to the rest of yas!

[Multibocks]

Nice work!

[Mercbeast]

Well i spend most of the past 2-3 days gearing my shamans in vicious gear (still 5 pieces of blue crap to replace) and finaly decided to give arena a try with pinot's priest. We went 8-4 and are almost 1500 rating already. I feel the power returning to me with every upgrade. I do find use for earthquake against melee teams. It may cost alot of mana but it usualy gives me enough breathing room to land a kill. I think with full ruthless gear 2200 will be obtainable, maybe even before then. Anyway just letting others know of my success for the night we plan to do more games tomorrow. Maybe get to 1700-1800. Smokebomb sucks ass btw!!! good luck to the rest of yas!

I geared my shamans out with the season 10 honor gear the last couple days. I haven't run them yet in arena. Might check it out.

[Nikita]

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I remade a new team, since our stats werent that awesome :P But kept the MMR ofc, been fighting teams around 1600-1700 MMR the 2 last days. And have 27 wins and 16 losses, pretty happy about it. Getting my ruthless weps next week! Rating is 1659 btw, noticed is was kinda hard to see that on the picture

[death]

glad to see your doing good nikita, ive decided to switch to Dk's

[Nikita]

glad to see your doing good nikita, ive decided to switch to Dk's

NOOO!! Shamans are 2 k viable atleast!

[Shodokan]

NOOO!! Shamans are 2 k viable atleast!

2k is all well and good, but you can't get elite weps with 2k rating.

[Nikita]

2k is all well and good, but you can't get elite weps with 2k rating.

Reaching 2k for me is a goal itself, and as seasons go by ele shamans will get stronger, and im guessing next arena season more boxers will be over the 2,2 k mark.

[Shodokan]

Reaching 2k for me is a goal itself, and as seasons go by ele shamans will get stronger, and im guessing next arena season more boxers will be over the 2,2 k mark.

why do you say that? dks are worse than they were by a large margin. Shaman are decent and CAN 1 shot things but as people get more gear their HP spikes quite a bit as well which will keep it about what it is at now unless the classes people box get upgrades as far as damage or class mechanics go.

Shaman are 2.2k viable but like dks its really dependent on the opponent's team makeup if you can win "easily" or not.

We're not going to have an s7/8 again as far as damage vs health pool.

[Nikita]

why do you say that? dks are worse than they were by a large margin. Shaman are decent and CAN 1 shot things but as people get more gear their HP spikes quite a bit as well which will keep it about what it is at now unless the classes people box get upgrades as far as damage or class mechanics go.

Shaman are 2.2k viable but like dks its really dependent on the opponent's team makeup if you can win "easily" or not.

We're not going to have an s7/8 again as far as damage vs health pool.

Its like this every x-pac! World of Meleecraft early in the x-pac, World of Spellcast later on. With Flame Shock, UE, LvB, CL and Fulimination x 4 I can drop any 140+ k hp full pvp geared player. And once I have full ruthless, Im guessing 2k shouldnt be too much trouble.

Edit: Guess this is my fault. What I meant was: as seasons go by ele shamans will get stronger, in the form of new gear.

[Multibocks]

why do you say that? dks are worse than they were by a large margin. Shaman are decent and CAN 1 shot things but as people get more gear their HP spikes quite a bit as well which will keep it about what it is at now unless the classes people box get upgrades as far as damage or class mechanics go.

Shaman are 2.2k viable but like dks its really dependent on the opponent's team makeup if you can win "easily" or not.

We're not going to have an s7/8 again as far as damage vs health pool.


Ya since healthpools have gone up so much my DKs kill sequence doesnt work anymore. I've lost 5 or so battles today because the healer saved the first target. DKs are really best at BGs.

[Shodokan]

Ya since healthpools have gone up so much my DKs kill sequence doesnt work anymore. I've lost 5 or so battles today because the healer saved the first target. DKs are really best at BGs.

Dks never really had a "kill sequence"

[Multibocks]

First set of runes. You know when you have all your procs and shit up? Whatever.

[Mercbeast]

my shift key appears to not be working.

anyways, i've found that with 4 dks i get some of my best success from spamming hb and deathcoil. deathcoil is recharging runes and when i am being kited the extra hbs can sometimes mean the difference between a kill and a fail.

[Shodokan]

my shift key appears to not be working.

anyways, i've found that with 4 dks i get some of my best success from spamming hb and deathcoil. deathcoil is recharging runes and when i am being kited the extra hbs can sometimes mean the difference between a kill and a fail.

i added that last night, its funny.

[Nikita]

Ya since healthpools have gone up so much my DKs kill sequence doesnt work anymore. I've lost 5 or so battles today because the healer saved the first target. DKs are really best at BGs.

Boxing in arena is hard idd, but I think its easier to get a kill with my shamans then it is with DKs. Ive lost several fights due to ppl having like 1-5 k hp left after my rotation, and Im hoping getting the ruthless weps will push me over that tiny obsticle.

[death]

Boxing in arena is hard idd, but I think its easier to get a kill with my shamans then it is with DKs. Ive lost several fights due to ppl having like 1-5 k hp left after my rotation, and Im hoping getting the ruthless weps will push me over that tiny obsticle.


well i plan on still capping my shamans CP but im planning on giving my DKs a serious go (gear/arena)

[Multibocks]

Boxing in arena is hard idd, but I think its easier to get a kill with my shamans then it is with DKs. Ive lost several fights due to ppl having like 1-5 k hp left after my rotation, and Im hoping getting the ruthless weps will push me over that tiny obsticle.

Can you list your burst sequences? I'm just starting out on my shaman and could use the help.

[death]

Can you list your burst sequences? I'm just starting out on my shaman and could use the help.

/cast Elemental Fury
/use Vicous Gladiator's Badge of Dominance

/castsequence reset=target Flame Shock, Unleash Elements, Lava Burst, Chain Lightning, Earth Shock

[death]

/cast Elemental Fury
/use Vicous Gladiator's Badge of Dominance

/castsequence reset=10/target Flame Shock, Unleash Elements, Lava Burst, Chain Lightning, Earth Shock

[Nikita]

/assist focus
/use Ruthless Gladiator's Badge of Dominance
/use 10
/use Lifeblood
/cast Elemental Mastery
/castsequence reset=/8 Lava Burst, Chain Lightning, Earth Shock


I use flame shock on another button since I use flameshock everytime its off CD. I usualy FS everyone just so the other team can waste defensive CDs cus they are afraid of incoming burst :)

[Multibocks]

Haha nice. I have a hard time with the unleash elements part. It really clues the other team in that a burst is coming :/

[Nikita]

Haha nice. I have a hard time with the unleash elements part. It really clues the other team in that a burst is coming :/

I usualy start on purging Dks, warriors and mages, use a FS + LvB combo to force ice block, anti magic shell and spell reflect, after that hex 4 targets and go for a kill :) you should have 2-3 seconds of free cast by then to get a kill

[Nikita]

Peaked today @ 1800 rating. Met a few high rated teams, and got farmed down to 1758. Stopped queing for the night, im def going above the 1800 mark again tomorrow. Main issue atm is dmg, Ive had soo many players down below 5 k hp that its unbelievable!! Once I get my ruthless weapons this reset, 2000 rating should be in reach :)

[zenga]

I usualy start on purging Dks, warriors and mages, use a FS + LvB combo to force ice block, anti magic shell and spell reflect, after that hex 4 targets and go for a kill :) you should have 2-3 seconds of free cast by then to get a kill

You might know/not know that you can actually wind shear a spell reflect. If a warrior sees 4 flame shocks coming, chance is there he pops reflect when it's off cd. Seems kinda like a waste to me to cast LvB when it's up.

[Nikita]

You might know/not know that you can actually wind shear a spell reflect. If a warrior sees 4 flame shocks coming, chance is there he pops reflect when it's off cd. Seems kinda like a waste to me to cast LvB when it's up.

I dont shoot LvB on him if spell reflect is up, I just want to fake cast it, to make him pop spell reflect so I can switch to another target while spell reflect runs out, it creates massive pressure on the healer when I hard switch like that.

[Alemi]

You might know/not know that you can actually wind shear a spell reflect. If a warrior sees 4 flame shocks coming, chance is there he pops reflect when it's off cd. Seems kinda like a waste to me to cast LvB when it's up.

This.

or purge into your own grounding totems.