Blue Post against Complainer about Multiboxing

[drarkan]

Yet another bliz response to a QQer

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/178334/stop-the-multiboxing

[Ashley]

I took it on myself to reply...

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2151758257?page=2#27

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Translation: "It's still allowed. Stop whining. Also, if you can't get enough people together to defeat a multiboxer, how the hell do you expect to defeat a half-decent normal team?"

[Ualaa]

I don't have an EU account, but if you feel like posting a bit more...

They guy going off about it should be illegal because it is third party software... might be interested in learning that Windows and their mouse drivers are also third party software.
All these threads are kind of funny, and probably not worth the time to reply to them; but still fun to see what they say as they get riled up with your calm responses.

[drarkan]

Heh yeah, I saw it on the other site so thought I'd repost it here! Quite a gag to read :D

[Ualaa]

Those posts can be rather fun.

[Cookiebo]

haha :D

[Apps]

Boy I love these threads.

These are like "tacklin' fuel".

I am close and soon I will be "that" guy in PVP who has 5 pallies all wearing 6 pieces of heirloom gear. leveling capped at 69 and just boxing even HARDER than the last game.


What you gonna cry for me baby? HAHA!! CRY FOR ME! CRYY!!!!

[Sam DeathWalker]

At least the blue post hit it on the head that we can't take evasive action as well as individual players ....

[Ughmahedhurtz]

At least the blue post hit it on the head that we can't take evasive action as well as individual players ....

It's funny, though, how you have basically three standard arguments from the multiboxing haters:

Blizzard is making too much money from it to ban it.
They're impossible to kill.
They're easy to kill: just kill the lead guy and they all stop.

1 = "...vanishingly small minority that multibox..." = INVALID
2 = Obviously not, or multiboxers would be topping all the arena ratings. = INVALID
3 = Unless you're using any FTL-type setup where leader swaps are either instant or fairly quick and painless. = INVALID

The first two are so stupidly obvious as to be unworthy of rebuttal. The third is obviously false, but I'm OK with letting them stew in their own ignorance. ;)

Regardless, anti-boxers are so completely irrational in their arguments that it defies belief.

[Apps]

I love the comments about the money.

Really dude with the double negative grammar error and broken writing styles of a 9th grader?

Really?

You seriously believe a 10 million client base at $15 a month, really gives two shits about my 4 accounts? for a whopping $720!!

(Holds up a picket sign) - "Dont piss me off, else Ill wreck your company!!!"

tard.

[zenga]

Yeah in nearly each topic on EU forums I try to educate people that the money argument is invalid. Should take away some of the hate in the threads.

[Tonuss]

I stopped reading after page two. The amount of stupid in there was simply overwhelming.

In the past, whenever someone used the "Blizzard only does it because it's more money" phrase, I would point out that if this were true, then the complainer in question is supporting a company that has no integrity and has sold out the player base for a few extra dollars. Then I'd ask them how they could, in good conscience, continue to support a company that did something so immoral?

I've probably asked that question in three or four of those threads. I never got a reply. Ever. When it comes down to it, they're not going to quit over multiboxing. So why would Blizzard ban multiboxing just to appease them?

And LOL at the idiot who replied "Cloning keystrokes is NOT a form of automation? I must have missed a refresher course somewhere in my last 25 years as IT specialist then." No, dipstick, you missed the refresher course on reading comprehension, because the Blizzard rep clearly stated "(i.e. as long as one keypress only initiates one action per client)." No wonder this argument still goes on; when Blizzard takes the time to clarify their terms, some numbskull with 25 YEARS IN IT manages to not comprehend what he is reading. Blizzard says "here is what we mean by automation" and the moron replies "but that's not the official definition from my IT specialist refresher dictionary!!!"

[Ughmahedhurtz]

And LOL at the idiot who replied "Cloning keystrokes is NOT a form of automation? I must have missed a refresher course somewhere in my last 25 years as IT specialist then." No, dipstick, you missed the refresher course on reading comprehension, because the Blizzard rep clearly stated "(i.e. as long as one keypress only initiates one action per client)." No wonder this argument still goes on; when Blizzard takes the time to clarify their terms, some numbskull with 25 YEARS IN IT manages to not comprehend what he is reading. Blizzard says "here is what we mean by automation" and the moron replies "but that's not the official definition from my IT specialist refresher dictionary!!!"

"Dipstick" is the correct term for this sub-species of homo sapiens. As soon as they trot out whatever experience they have as justification for their position, you know they can't argue the point on its own merits. Argument effectively over at that point.

[Littleburst]

(i.e. as long as one keypress only initiates one action per client).By that definition, multi-boxing is against the terms of use. It's one keypress initiating one action on more than one client. They're not pressing the button 5 times in a row.

I lol'd.

[zenga]

Call me a fool but I can totally understand that if you press 1 key and it gets send to 5 clients, there is automation involved. Keybroadcasting is some form of automation. Automation in my book is something you don't need to do yourself, so 4 out of the 5 are automated keypresses. One can argue about the semantics, but I wouldn't call someone retarded for sticking to that logic.

The point is however that it's allowed by bliizzard, could even call it non banable automation. So the whole discussion doesn't really matter. Truth is that there are so many ways to accomplish this (think about the 5x mouse tied to 1 stick) it's basically irrelevant.

[Atrocious]

There were a few responses in there that made me laugh. :)

I had to throw in my 2 cents in that thread. Come on, Blizz says it's ok, just give up. Reminds me of stubborn kids crying in the store, pleading with their parents to buy them that one toy eventho they said no. If blizz one day said botting was legal, there is not a thing we could do about it. It's their game and we play it.

If they could start discussing if it was OP to multibox in PvP, then it could maybe be a "good" discussion.

[Atrocious]

Hey guys I just fed Blizzard another €100

http://ash.gdkr.net/wow/WoWScrnShot_053111_221256.jpg

U mirin? Come at me brah

Hahaha. Good one. :) You're just hankering for a fight today?

[Tonuss]

Call me a fool but I can totally understand that if you press 1 key and it gets send to 5 clients, there is automation involved. Keybroadcasting is some form of automation.
Correct, which is why Blizzard defines what they mean when they use the term. They are referring to automating a series of commands, which you would be able to do with a single client. They have-- repeatedly-- clarified this distinction. But you always get several people who insist that all that Blizzard said is "automation is bannable" and that therefore ANY type of automation is bannable. But that isn't the case, and when they dig in their heels you just end up going in circles.

It is really another form of "I don't care what Blizzard says, it's cheating." It may be Blizzard's game, but by golly the rules belong to Josh in California, because he's King of the Universe.

[ebony]

It's funny, though, how you have basically three standard arguments from the multiboxing haters:

Blizzard is making too much money from it to ban it.
They're impossible to kill.
They're easy to kill: just kill the lead guy and they all stop.

1 = "...vanishingly small minority that multibox..." = INVALID
2 = Obviously not, or multiboxers would be topping all the arena ratings. = INVALID
3 = Unless you're using any FTL-type setup where leader swaps are either instant or fairly quick and painless. = INVALID

The first two are so stupidly obvious as to be unworthy of rebuttal. The third is obviously false, but I'm OK with letting them stew in their own ignorance. ;)

Regardless, anti-boxers are so completely irrational in their arguments that it defies belief.

i posted this on the topic i like it (hope u do not mind)

[Apps]

....It is really another form of "I don't care what Blizzard says, it's cheating." It may be Blizzard's game, but by golly the rules belong to Josh in California, because he's King of the Universe.


ROFL! Now thats a good line.

[MiRai]

It's funny, though, how you have basically three standard arguments from the multiboxing haters:

Blizzard is making too much money from it to ban it.
They're impossible to kill.
They're easy to kill: just kill the lead guy and they all stop.

1 = "...vanishingly small minority that multibox..." = INVALID
2 = Obviously not, or multiboxers would be topping all the arena ratings. = INVALID
3 = Unless you're using any FTL-type setup where leader swaps are either instant or fairly quick and painless. = INVALID

The first two are so stupidly obvious as to be unworthy of rebuttal. The third is obviously false, but I'm OK with letting them stew in their own ignorance. http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Regardless, anti-boxers are so completely irrational in their arguments that it defies belief.

i posted this on the topic i like it (hope u do not mind)
More of our secrets! Keep the uninformed uninformed. :)

[Krago]

What I like about these threads is the inability to understand that MB s/w is not required to MB.

"3rd party violates, blah blah blah"

"You know, you can achieve the same thing with either a h/w multiplexer/repeater or a wireless keyboard and n receivers on the same frequency."

"Yeah, but 3rd party s/w violates the blah blah blah"

Another thing I throw out when people say it's not that hard to MB is explain to them how to set it up with 2-5 WoW trial accounts using HKN and a simple setup and then come back and we can talk.

It's not that MB'ing is hard or difficult but it takes time to set it up, test it, write some macros, troubleshoot the setup, get used to having to do everything, trying different setups, etc ...

[Noids]

There is absolutely no doubt that key senders (whether software or hardware based) are providing a form of automation but as Blizzard states this is perfectly acceptable for them. Macros are another form of automation that Blizzard permits in game however. Both of these tools are obviously essential for multiboxing. Surprisingly the anti boxing people hone in on the key replication being unlawful automation but don't have a problem at all with macros...

The anti-boxing argument should therefore read: "It is unfair that other players have access to automation that I myself do not have the time, money or intelligence to utilise!!1!111".

[moog]

You guys should give up arguing with those retards - they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience :)

When they continue to argue in a thread where there is a blue post confirming that it's ok, it's time to throw in the towel!

[riffraff]

I like this gem:

"Boxing gets boring in WoW. Unless you are going to run 5+ a geared DK can do the same."