4x Hunter + Healer

[nobodyz]

Anyone done it before? I figured it would be a 'wow' sight to see like... 5 toons + 4 pets running around :p not sure if pet can tank well.. but i guess not viable for instance i suppose?

should it be 4x hunter + pally? or 3x hunter + healer + tank?

ideas?

and the specs for hunter? survival? :p

[Khatovar]

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=44285&highlight=hunters

[nobodyz]

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=44285&highlight=hunters

thanks alot ;) guess i wasnt searching hard enough.... :D

[Andreauk]

I'm currently at level 77 with 4 hunters leading with a holy priest.

The other day I needed to ding so popped into Halls of Stone.. bosses were 4 levels above the dps and we cleared the place fine. I even went into Tempest keep at level 71 with 3 guildies and we cleared that place, so now we mount farm it weekly.

I havent found an instance I have tried that I cant clear although the last boss in Nexus was a pain.. had to make a pet follow macro because the debuff actually had the pets going down fast.

A link to one of my vids (you can see the rest there too)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5b4ex1tCZY

I would advise healing with a Priest.. fade is a must to drop your heal aggro. The pets hold aggro great. I have 2 tank pets and they get really nice talent trees.. bear is my main pet with a worm as a backup. Not had this much fun in ages.. it feels faceroll compared to a tank, dps heals setup.

I don't instance until level 20 though as until then the pets just cannot hold aggro for more than a second.

My hunters have dual spec but atm I'm running x3 bm, and 1 survival.. just got a corehound for ancient hysteria.

[Machoclown]

It's good te see other Hunter MB'ers :)
I am running 3 groups of hunters:
I run dungeons with dungeon tool only (started at level 15)
Group 1 = 1 Pally tank - 3 MM hunters - Shaman Healer (group = level 54)
This is a very solid group, and the only real problem I've had so far was with Captain Kromcrush, that was really a pain in te @ss for me.

Group 2 = 4 BM hunters and - Shaman Healer (group = level 36 duh)
More fun than group 1 because of the aggro and tactics you have to watch out for.

Group 3 = 5 BM hunters (Group = level 36 duh :))
Darn, this is the most fun group. Glad I have Feign Death now as Wipe saver :)
So much fun to play, but I only play (all groups) at rest time, so it will take a while to reach the higher levels. I have 3 heirloom bows too (1 for every group) and the hunter with the Heirloom bow is always doing most damage.

[Machoclown]

A link to one of my vids (you can see the rest there too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5b4ex1tCZY


Nice video's and awesome HD quality too!.
Your hunters are really kicking :)
Looking forward for some more hunter reports/progression and video's

[Andreauk]

Nice video's and awesome HD quality too!.
Your hunters are really kicking :)
Looking forward for some more hunter reports/progression and video's

Thanks :D

[Andreauk]

It's good te see other Hunter MB'ers :)
I am running 3 groups of hunters:
I run dungeons with dungeon tool only (started at level 15)
Group 1 = 1 Pally tank - 3 MM hunters - Shaman Healer (group = level 54)
This is a very solid group, and the only real problem I've had so far was with Captain Kromcrush, that was really a pain in te @ss for me.

Group 2 = 4 BM hunters and - Shaman Healer (group = level 36 duh)
More fun than group 1 because of the aggro and tactics you have to watch out for.

Group 3 = 5 BM hunters (Group = level 36 duh :))
Darn, this is the most fun group. Glad I have Feign Death now as Wipe saver :)
So much fun to play, but I only play (all groups) at rest time, so it will take a while to reach the higher levels. I have 3 heirloom bows too (1 for every group) and the hunter with the Heirloom bow is always doing most damage.

Let us know when you have some movies :) Are you leading with the shaman healer with the 4 hunters?

[Machoclown]

Let us know when you have some movies :) Are you leading with the shaman healer with the 4 hunters?

I lead my 4 hunters exactly the way you do with your Priest!

Till now I have never made a movie of my MB group(s), I will try it. Can you give me a hint/tip what program to use? I would like making HD movies too!

[Andreauk]

I lead my 4 hunters exactly the way you do with your Priest!

Till now I have never made a movie of my MB group(s), I will try it. Can you give me a hint/tip what program to use? I would like making HD movies too!

I'm using keyclone to box.. so have my main window 1680x1050.. I record with fraps.. then use windows live movie maker to add a title.. then upload it straight to youtube via the same program.. just select the highest quality it will let you upload.. then the rest is done for you .

[Machoclown]

Let us know when you have some movies :) Are you leading with the shaman healer with the 4 hunters?

LOL I have made 2 movies. 1 movie of 5 Hunters killing a Uldaman boss and 1 movie 1 of 1 Shaman and 4 hunters killing a Mauradon boss.
When killing those bosses I forgot to play my routine (kill shot, postion, etc.) but oh well here you go.
5 hunters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CQaB277m7U) 4 hunter + resto Shaman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd970otwOaI)

Thanks for the tip, Fraps is indeed a nice program to make Wow movies.

[Nikita]

Its perfectly doable running hunters + 1 healer in heroics now as the upcoming gear upgrades are closing in :)

[Boylston]

Sometimes I think I need to return to the game just to stop this sort of nonsense...

[Andreauk]

Its perfectly doable running hunters + 1 healer in heroics now as the upcoming gear upgrades are closing in :)

I cleared a lot of stuff fine.. then when I got to Stonecore at 82, trash up to first boss was ok.. but the first boss was hell.. it was always the adds that wiped me. Stuck all traps down.. but have to keep moving a lot.. tried sticking pets on aggressive.. that didn't work either.. so I figured now what? Do I forget instances until 85?

Nikita how on earth did you clear that first boss without a healer? Even with healer I got owned lol

[Nikita]

I cleared a lot of stuff fine.. then when I got to Stonecore at 82, trash up to first boss was ok.. but the first boss was hell.. it was always the adds that wiped me. Stuck all traps down.. but have to keep moving a lot.. tried sticking pets on aggressive.. that didn't work either.. so I figured now what? Do I forget instances until 85?

Nikita how on earth did you clear that first boss without a healer? Even with healer I got owned lol

Pets on aggressive, pop (in your case, 4 x MDs) on your tank pet, set out explosive trap, snake trap and use multishot. Keep moving aswell :) BM specc helps alot too

[Mercbeast]

My hunters are 37 now. I'm actually instance locking myself I clear them so fast. This is only marginally slower (25% maybe) than PLing myself through SM on a DK.

I feel like I've got the ultimate sub level 69 pet setup.

Cat
Wolf
Fox
Bear
Turtle

Gets me +str +agil +crit -10% AP on mobs and -20% attack speed on mobs + the uber tanking of the turtle.

It certainly helps that I am BOA'd up but holy sweet jesus my pets can tank like 10 mobs once I start bursting them down. Can't wait for 44 with thunderclap and my pets will hold proper aoe agro!

[Nikita]

My hunters are 37 now. I'm actually instance locking myself I clear them so fast. This is only marginally slower (25% maybe) than PLing myself through SM on a DK.

I feel like I've got the ultimate sub level 69 pet setup.

Cat
Wolf
Fox
Bear
Turtle

Gets me +str +agil +crit -10% AP on mobs and -20% attack speed on mobs + the uber tanking of the turtle.

It certainly helps that I am BOA'd up but holy sweet jesus my pets can tank like 10 mobs once I start bursting them down. Can't wait for 44 with thunderclap and my pets will hold proper aoe agro!


BM specc I pressume? Once you ding 60, go grab a Corehound for bloodlust, and go Un'Goro Crater for Silithid for stamina buff, once you ding 82, go Deepholm and get a Shale Spider for kings buff. Would also replace that wolf for a Devilsaur, gives healing debuff and critt buff :) keep the turtle tank

[Morganti]

For 4 hunter PVP madness (fifth is a pocket healer) I'm brainstorming and coming up with the idea that a split spec group might be a better idea? One hunter in each spec would give the big tree buffs (damage, attack power, attack speed), allow you to pick up one core hound for hunter bloodlust, gives access to a daze (MM), silence (MM), Wyvern Sting (Survival), etc. I guess I'm just wondering if the hunter specs really change the classes THAT much and would be more of a help or hindrance.

[Toned]

Just remember no lust in arenas.

[Akoko]

Wasn't the Aggressive pet stance removed in 4.2 and replaced with an Assist stance? :P

[Littleburst]

Wasn't the Aggressive pet stance removed in 4.2 and replaced with an Assist stance? :P

yup.

[Andreauk]

Wasn't the Aggressive pet stance removed in 4.2 and replaced with an Assist stance? :P

You can still use a pet attack macro to send them in first.

[Lyrix]

I've had a group of 4x hunters and priest healer back in TBC. Was lots of fun.. Then pets took way more dmg then they do now. 90% AOE reduction is really awesome! So is the cower and turtle shield wall. Right now ive started a new 4x hunter 1x priest team (RAF) Lots of fun in PVE.. PVP not so much imo but they are only 55 right now.

Got 2x MM 2x BM.. BM both turtles.. Was kinda crap with packs of mobs in the low levels tho.. Lots of healing arggo..
Still best/fun group ive ever had..

[Ughmahedhurtz]

My hunters are 37 now. I'm actually instance locking myself I clear them so fast.Enjoy it while it lasts. Top-tier 5-mans (even on normal) will be an eye-opening experience.

[Akoko]

Enjoy it while it lasts. Top-tier 5-mans (even on normal) will be an eye-opening experience.

Yeah. I'm estimating that you'll need the holy trinity (tank, healer, 3x dps) for any team that isn't a mage team :P Warlock pets couldn't survive long enough to tank. Maybe hunter turtles could stay alive if you have pets on your Grid and keep them spam healed?

The only other option is multiple tanks but it is too slow to kill single targets in my opinion. Someone mentioned using all Blood DK's and another person was using 5 bear druids.

[Mercbeast]

Enjoy it while it lasts. Top-tier 5-mans (even on normal) will be an eye-opening experience.

I'm not so sure about this to be honest.

I've cleared plenty with 4 blood DK's + a paladin, and now that you can get redic s10 PvP gear for your hunters, your pets can literally tank raid content. It's been done already.

Running 4 pets who are going to ping pong agro, constantly heal and get healed by a healer, my guess is you will walk through normal dungeons and most heroics.

[Nikita]

My turtle pet could tank stonecore packs without a healer, and I kept him up with only mend pet and the tier5 2 set bonus :) with the new gear and a healer, you should be fine!

[d0z3rr]

After reading this thread and remembering the fun I had with my hunters in BC, I'm gonna start another group.

Kinda sucks that they won't be able to use dungeon finder....

But now I'm stuck deciding what healer to use with my 4 hunters. I'm leaning towards shaman for the totems, but I like the priest's group healing capabilities.

[ConnorL]

roll a priest, looks more epic :D

[Nikita]

Do priest, great aoe healing :) + shield on turtle tank

[Morganti]

Got my 4 hunters up to 85 (1-80 in under 24 hours played) and...melee is just destroying me. They squat on you and you really can't do much. Disengage is nice for the solo hunter, but it really causes some LOS issues with boxing. Damage is under impressive (granted I'm not super geared at item level 349, but I have guns the dps equivalent of vicious guns) even with all 4 hunters and 4 pets pounding on something. The pets aren't the super killer BM pets I remember from the old days either. The team does have some cool novelty tricks (camo is pretty awesome for ranged guys). A noble idea, but overall very underwhelmed so far.

[Nikita]

Got my 4 hunters up to 85 (1-80 in under 24 hours played) and...melee is just destroying me. They squat on you and you really can't do much. Disengage is nice for the solo hunter, but it really causes some LOS issues with boxing. Damage is under impressive (granted I'm not super geared at item level 349, but I have guns the dps equivalent of vicious guns) even with all 4 hunters and 4 pets pounding on something. The pets aren't the super killer BM pets I remember from the old days either. The team does have some cool novelty tricks (camo is pretty awesome for ranged guys). A noble idea, but overall very underwhelmed so far.

Last season my 4 hunters could blow up plate users in 2-3 sec. Keep gearing em up :)

[Morganti]

Not giving up on them, just not impressed with the survivability or dps so far. It's always so depressing going from max level -1 to max level ;)

[Nikita]

The trick for when you get swarmed by melee is to use traps as much as possible, and use Kill Command to finish em off, since its kinda hard kiting melee as a multiboxer

[Morganti]

If it's just one melee I can usually get them off/kill if I have a bit of healing, but 2 tend to eat me fast. My pets are usually out being offensive, so I gotta pull them back in to help be defensive. One big problem I'm having is I'm doing too much fire and forget with the pets, especially for a BM hunter. I rely on my gun damage and positioning and let the pets autopilot too much, especially in big brawls like AV/IoC/TB.

[Lyrix]

If it's just one melee I can usually get them off/kill if I have a bit of healing, but 2 tend to eat me fast. My pets are usually out being offensive, so I gotta pull them back in to help be defensive. One big problem I'm having is I'm doing too much fire and forget with the pets, especially for a BM hunter. I rely on my gun damage and positioning and let the pets autopilot too much, especially in big brawls like AV/IoC/TB.

Had the same problem as you with hunters.. They are fun in pve.. but pvp is kinda meh.
Ofc im not max level with them so i cant say much about it.

[Nikita]

Put pets on assistance stance or whatever its called, pop deterrence early, snake traps and explosive traps down, disengage and spam KC. I destroy melee with this tac

[pinki104]

4 hunters 1 priet was my first ever team and they worked so far but the bears just wernt able to tank the higher heroics and in pvp warriors used to crush you

[Nikita]

There is huge difference between PvP pets, and PvE pets. Turtle is the best PvE tank pet

[Morganti]

I'm using a Devilsaur, Corehound, Silithid, and Shale Spider all specced for max dps.

[Morganti]

Excellent advice on the hunters vs. melee Nikita....I gotta start thinking of kill command as more than just my fallthrough cast on my dps macros.

[d0z3rr]

I went with a priest, just makes more sense in the long run. I haven't played hunters since BC, I love the new changes:

No happiness (YAYAYAYAYA!!!!!!!!)
No ammo
No mana

So awesome. I don't plan on running heroics or anything with this group, mainly to just mess around with when I'm bored. If they can run some normal instances between 80-85 I'll be satisfied.

[Lyrix]

There is huge difference between PvP pets, and PvE pets. Turtle is the best PvE tank pet

Sorry to ask but.. Do i take 2x turtles? Or just one turtle tank the rest dps pets? PvE ofcourse :-)
At the moment i've got 2x turtles 1x Core hound and 1x wolf.

[Zzc2]

Anyone have some MM hunter macros? I have only seen SV and BM

[Morganti]

Should basically be the same, just a different kind of shot.

#show arcane shot
/castsequence reset=1 !Aspect of the Hawk, null
/castsequence arcane shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command
/petattack [target=pettarget,noexists]

#showtooltip Cobra Shot
/castsequence reset=1 !Aspect of the Fox, null
/cast rapid fire
/cast blood fury
/castsequence reset=6 Cobra Shot,Cobra Shot,Cobra Shot, Cobra Shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command
/petattack [target=pettarget,noexists]

#showtooltip Bestial Wrath
/castsequence reset=1 !Aspect of the Fox, null
/cast Call of the Wild
/cast Rabid
/cast Bestial Wrath
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command

#show Kill Shot
/castsequence reset=1 !Aspect of the Hawk, null
/cast Kill Shot

#showtooltip Freezing Trap
/castsequence reset=10 !trap launcher, !Freezing Trap(Frost - Trap Launcher)

[Kang]

Anyone have some MM hunter macros? I have only seen SV and BM

I just started MBing with my hunter. I modified Merc's survival macro to the following. It definitely needs tweaking. The first macro I used as a solo spam button and it worked quite well. The proc macro needs work. Input is always welcome.

Spam Sequence Macro
/stopmacro [channeling]
/assist focus
/castsequence reset=target/combat Serpent Sting,Steady Shot,Steady Shot,Steady Shot,Steady Shot,Steady Shot, Steady Shot, Steady Shot, Steady Shot
/cast Chimera Shot

Surv Proc Macro
/stopmacro [channeling]
/cast steady shot, Aimed Shot
/cast Rapid Fire
/use 13
/use 14

I just tested this and did just over 11k on the raid target dummy in ilvl 330 gear.

[Nikita]

Sorry to ask but.. Do i take 2x turtles? Or just one turtle tank the rest dps pets? PvE ofcourse :-)
At the moment i've got 2x turtles 1x Core hound and 1x wolf.


How many hunters are you running with?

MT - Turtle for 50 % reduced dmg spell
OT - Bear for reduced physical dmg taken buff
DPS - Shale Spider for kings buff
DPS - Silithid for Stamina buff
DPS - Cat for STR/AGI buff (you can take whatever you want here tbh)

On your hunter tank I strongly advice to get the 2 set bonus from tier5. Go check the bonus out on wowhead. And stack shitlaods of stamina and stamina/mastery proc trinkets on your tanking hunter

[Mercbeast]

I think Hunters + healer are probably, next to arcane mages, the best possible PvE team.

With the pets tanking some of the 10 man raid content I would not be shocked in the least if most heroics once you get geared out, are more or less faceroll. Send pets, blow up with arcane/steady spam. Keep mend up and keep your heals ticking on the main tank. Set your healer to heal via a target of target macro.

Set your heals up in isboxer something like this.
Step 1
Target the target of your target.
Set focus

In another keybind
Heal focus via this macro
'/cast [target=focus,exists][target] (whatever heal you are using)

That macro will heal your focus if you have one, otherwise it will heal your target, or yourself if you cannot heal your target!

Probably setup a focus macro to quickly reset your focus to whatever the target is DPSing. Have a second key to actually do the heal.

So like key 1 = set focus off of target of target.
Key 2 = heal focus or target if no focus set.

[Lyrix]

How many hunters are you running with?

MT - Turtle for 50 % reduced dmg spell
OT - Bear for reduced physical dmg taken buff
DPS - Shale Spider for kings buff
DPS - Silithid for Stamina buff
DPS - Cat for STR/AGI buff (you can take whatever you want here tbh)

On your hunter tank I strongly advice to get the 2 set bonus from tier5. Go check the bonus out on wowhead. And stack shitlaods of stamina and stamina/mastery proc trinkets on your tanking hunter

Im running 4x hunter 1x priest.. Im playing the healer my self. Ive changed to that setup now. 1x Bear 1x turtle 1x Wolf (for crit) 1x Core Hound for Bloodlust. :-)

[Nikita]

Im running 4x hunter 1x priest.. Im playing the healer my self. Ive changed to that setup now. 1x Bear 1x turtle 1x Wolf (for crit) 1x Core Hound for Bloodlust. :-)

Go for devilsaur, gives the critt buff and more dmg :)

[Lyrix]

Go for devilsaur, gives the critt buff and more dmg :)

Oh, didn't know that! Thanks for info :-) Will go for that then.

[Machoclown]

Go for devilsaur, gives the critt buff and more dmg :)

According to Petopia there is no difference between the wolf and dinosaur special abilities (+5% crit chance), or what I miss here?

[Nikita]

According to Petopia there is no difference between the wolf and dinosaur special abilities (+5% crit chance), or what I miss here?

Devilsaur gives a 10 % healing debuff on targets :)

[Machoclown]

Devilsaur gives a 10 % healing debuff on targets :)
Ok, but healing debuff gives more damage?

[Nikita]

Ok, but healing debuff gives more damage?

No, but certain mobs in instances do have healing power, and you cant allways guarante that you'll interrupt them. I might be wrong here, but doesnt Devilsaurs have rabid which increases size and dmg + stacks 5 times?

[valle2000]

When using hunters as slaves together with a plate tank should I go BM or MM? Currently use BM thinking my improved pets will compensate if I'm not optimal in handling the rotation of the hunters. But will I improve my dps output if changing to MM instead?

And when using 5 hunters, should those hunters not using tank pets be MM instead?

[Nikita]

I have allways prefered BM. Its a simple rotation! Hunters Mark, Serpent Sting, Arcane Shot until 0 focus, then spam cobra shot. Keep KC on CD :)

Ive allways used a turtle and bear on my hunters. The turle is MT, and the bear is OT. The rest of my hunters uses DPS pets such as tiger, devilsaur, and shale spider for kings buff.

[Boogieman]

I posted something about my hunter team
I considered posting in this thread but thought it might get more attention in its own thread so i started a new one in general and it got moved to the New To Multiboxing section (where I believe that it will be viewed mostly by newer more inexperienced boxers so input will be minimal) I do welcome input from anyone new guys and old pros alike i just think that the more experienced boxers among us might have more to say about what I've asked I would expect that the long in the tooth fellows might even pick apart everything that is wrong with what I'm doing
So i guess I'll just link it if you guys don't mind

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=45506

If you have suggestions post replies here or there I will check both lol
thanks

[Nikita]

Check out page 4 in the PvP Discussion forum. Ive made a post there about my hunter setup