PVP Server Kill or Be Killed?

[Bueller]

I come from 3+ years on a carebear PVE server where both factions live in boredom. When I started multi-boxing my 2 locks I wanted to experience the PVP server life since that is the portion of the game I enjoy the most (bg's and arena).

I have seen different mentallities when playing Horde on Daggerspine US. Both in groups and against the other faction I have seen everything from 70's trolling STV and killing everything to the opposing faction helping complete quests.

My Question is which are you? Do you KOS or play nice with the other kiddies?

[Vyndree]

I had a leveling rule that I would never attack unless provoked. This would prevent me from unnecessary speedbumps when I would roll someone's best buddy, who would then cause me much pain by camping me with their buddy 70's. When you're leveling, PvPing is just a waste of time that will keep you from reaching your leveling goal.

Now that I'm 70, I choose not to attack unless it's a relatively fair fight, or they attack me first. It's just no fun to roll people without any risk. However, once attacked by an enemy player without provocation, they are on my KOS list FOREVER and I will not hesitate to initiate PvP whenever and wherever I see them.

People who attack while you're doing the Ogri'la memory game are particularly obnoxious and are hunted down and killed ruthlessly.

[Bueller]

Haha. Thanks for the response. That has been my mode of operation as well. I actually have a notepad at my computer desk of name and class that were significantly higher level or that were in a group that made it an unfair fight. I just dinged 67 on my toons this morning and my list is now 3 pages long single spaced. The fun part is I have been able to scratch off half a dozen names after finding them all by their lonesome lol

[boxer]

I leveled my first character (a rogue) on a heavily populated and very old pvp server (Deathwing).
This server's horde population would constantly gank me on sight and camp me, and I decided to return the favor. I will almost always engage first, provided that it looks like I have a chance to win (not hard when you're well geared). I do have exceptions of course, like when people are doing daily quests, or if a hordie is somehow helpful or nice to me (saves me from death, etc.)

This is actually an interesting topic to me, because I believe it is a psychological issue. People who got ganked when leveling will gank others IMO. When talking about behavior, people are a product of their genetics and their environment. We can't measure pvp aggressiveness with genetics, so I think its all about what they experienced.

This is much like the fact that most sexual offenders were sexually abused as children.

If this is too deep or touchy just ignore it, but I find this stuff fascinating. :thumbsup:

[Boylston]

I kill them all, anytime, any situation. I will occasionally let someone live, but only if I can induce more interesting pain by doing so. For example, I might help an alliance complete a group quest, but then I'll camp them so they can't reach the NPC and turn it in. I find this behavior generally brings out L70s, and then I get a good PvP workout.

Generally speaking, I will kill someone then ride off in a different direction from the one I'm actually headed. I find this keeps me safer than being a "nice guy" and letting folks follow me around and emote goofy things, etc. Curious folks have guildmates, and not all guildmates are of the watch and admire quality.

Occasionally this behavior catches up with me, but so does letting people live and attracting attention due to "Wow, you gotta see this!" comments in /g, General, Trade, LocalDefense, etc etc...

I'd kill a level 4 Gnome with 10% health that was busy fighting a mob... happily, in fact!

[Stealthy]

I had a leveling rule that I would never attack unless provoked. This would prevent me from unnecessary speedbumps when I would roll someone's best buddy, who would then cause me much pain by camping me with their buddy 70's. When you're leveling, PvPing is just a waste of time that will keep you from reaching your leveling goal.

Now that I'm 70, I choose not to attack unless it's a relatively fair fight, or they attack me first. It's just no fun to roll people without any risk. However, once attacked by an enemy player without provocation, they are on my KOS list FOREVER and I will not hesitate to initiate PvP whenever and wherever I see them.

People who attack while you're doing the Ogri'la memory game are particularly obnoxious and are hunted down and killed ruthlessly.

This is exactly how I play as well. If I'm in a good mood, I might even help an ally complete a quest or kill an elite. The flip side being that if I keep getting attacked I might roll through a zone and clean house.

The only other thing I do is if enough people from a guild try and grief me, their whole guild goes on my KOS list.

Cheers,

Stealthy

[Tasty]

I got the crap beaten out of me whilst leveling. Camped literally for days at a time so I had to res hearth a few times :P Now I'm 70 and as mentioned above if its red its dead. Doesn't matter what level you are or how many of you there are. I'm also quite fond of killing people in Area 52 where they think they're safe :) and lets not forget Pom Pyro + Iceblock in mid air :D

Edit: I don't kill people doing escorts or dailies in BEM (unless attacked first there)

Double edit: I mean seriously, I swear I got attacked more than I would have had I not been boxing

[Stealthy]

...if its a Rogue, I'll build a camp fire as well. I hate rogues. all of them.Ahh yeah this is my exception as well. All rogues have to die... :D

[Mosg2]

I'm with Boylston and Fursphere. I instanced to 60 power leveling so I didn't have to deal with the "speed bumps" as Vyndree stated... Now that I'm in Outlands I nuke anything red that gets within range. I know it's easy to generalize, but virtually everyone that plays this game are Oppurtunists. They may follow you at a safe distance and gawk for a minute, but they'd slaughter you in a heartbeat if they thought they'd win.

The only downside to this policy is that when you 4x Trinket/EM/CL a level 70 down, his ego is usually hurt juuuuuust enough to call in a friend or two and camp the shlt out of you. It's happened once or twice so far, but everyone rezzing at the same moment and insta gibbing one of the campers down before they know what happened makes tears of joy well from my eyes :)

[Tasty]

ego

Its a big thing on PvP servers :)

[Tehtsuo]

I had originally intended to follow the "Live and let live" mantra, and didn't touch anyone till around level 39. I pretty much let alliance be, and even helped a few with quests. Then I got camped by a duo for a while in Thousand Needles. It wasn't even a duo of 70s, they were around 55 but would not let me be. I said "Oh well, it's a pvp server" and logged out for an hour.

However, since then I've followed the fight or flight rule. If I can kill them, they're gone, and they don't get to be in my area until I'm done there unless they bring bigger firepower to take me on. If I can't kill them, I move on and occupy myself elsewhere. This doesn't upset me, as it's what I rolled on a pvp server for: it's like being an animal, people actually stake claims to territory and fight trespassers off. If I ever get tired of it, I can always relog to my pve server.

[thinus]

I leveled my first character (a rogue) on a heavily populated and very old pvp server (Deathwing).
This server's horde population would constantly gank me on sight and camp me, and I decided to return the favor. I will almost always engage first, provided that it looks like I have a chance to win (not hard when you're well geared). I do have exceptions of course, like when people are doing daily quests, or if a hordie is somehow helpful or nice to me (saves me from death, etc.)

Rogues have some of the best escape abilities. Yes, stealth is useless when someone is 20 levels higher than you and they have mounts and you don't. But as a rogue I have escaped from corpse camps more times than I can remember. I leveled my rogue in STV and TM by choice, actually, more than 1 of them. With other classes I avoided STV and TM.

Speaking for myself, the actions of other people in game hardly influences my own playstyle. Yes, you will get the morons with nothing better to do than camp players 30-40 levels lower than them. My response towards THOSE players is influenced but not my playstyle in general.

I am the kind of player that would organize groups to corpse camp town gankers in places like Ogri'la etc. I am always up for a fair fight and always up for laying down some righteous retribution on those that do not fight fair.


This is actually an interesting topic to me, because I believe it is a psychological issue. People who got ganked when leveling will gank others IMO. When talking about behavior, people are a product of their genetics and their environment. We can't measure pvp aggressiveness with genetics, so I think its all about what they experienced.

Your view is too simplistic. Getting ganked implies that some high level character took the trouble to go to a low level area purely with the motive to gank. Yes, there are exceptions, but this probably covers the majority of ganking situations. Most of the serial griefers get pleasure out of making other people's lives miserable. They derive their enjoyment from playing people, not from playing the game. They are the minority. They will always justify their behaviour with "it's just a game" etc. They are probably cowards as well and they can get away with being complete dickheads due to the anonimity provided through the internet. You will see the same people trolling message boards. All they are interested in is riling people up, the more upset they can make you the more satisfaction they get from it. I call them sadists and will go out of my way to return the favour although in most cases it is best just to ignore them.

I don't believe your experiences in game will influence your general behaviour. Most people level, deal with the gankings and move on. Few go back to low level areas purely to gank because they were ganked and fewer still will do it on a regular basis.


This is much like the fact that most sexual offenders were sexually abused as children.

Comparing sexual abuse to ganking is like comparing apples and the ex-planet Pluto. I'd like to know where you got your facts from though. The statement is also "most sexual offenders were sexually abused" so it does not say anything about most sexually abused children. For all we know 99% of sexually abused children does not turn into sexual offenders. Also, most sexual abuse occurs within the family which brings genetics into play. Be careful with the conclusions you draw from the statistics.

Just a FYI, I do know people that were sexually abused as children and I would be totally blown away if they are sex offenders. I don't think you ever get over the psychological damage and trauma but I find it really hard to believe it turns you into a child molester.

[Chorizotarian]

I play nice with lowbies unless they do something to deserve it.

[Tasty]

Camping is bad. M-O-O-N, that spells bad.

[Stealthy]

This is actually an interesting topic to me, because I believe it is a psychological issue. People who got ganked when leveling will gank others IMO. When talking about behavior, people are a product of their genetics and their environment. We can't measure pvp aggressiveness with genetics, so I think its all about what they experienced.

Your view is too simplistic. Getting ganked implies that some high level character took the trouble to go to a low level area purely with the motive to gank. Yes, there are exceptions, but this probably covers the majority of ganking situations. Most of the serial griefers get pleasure out of making other people's lives miserable. They derive their enjoyment from playing people, not from playing the game. They are the minority. They will always justify their behaviour with "it's just a game" etc. They are probably cowards as well and they can get away with being complete dickheads due to the anonimity provided through the internet. You will see the same people trolling message boards. All they are interested in is riling people up, the more upset they can make you the more satisfaction they get from it. I call them sadists and will go out of my way to return the favour although in most cases it is best just to ignore them.

I don't believe your experiences in game will influence your general behaviour. Most people level, deal with the gankings and move on. Few go back to low level areas purely to gank because they were ganked and fewer still will do it on a regular basis.


This is much like the fact that most sexual offenders were sexually abused as children.

Comparing sexual abuse to ganking is like comparing apples and the ex-planet Pluto. I'd like to know where you got your facts from though. The statement is also "most sexual offenders were sexually abused" so it does not say anything about most sexually abused children. For all we know 99% of sexually abused children does not turn into sexual offenders. Also, most sexual abuse occurs within the family which brings genetics into play. Be careful with the conclusions you draw from the statistics.

Just a FYI, I do know people that were sexually abused as children and I would be totally blown away if they are sex offenders. I don't think you ever get over the psychological damage and trauma but I find it really hard to believe it turns you into a child molester.
This is off topic but there have been several studies done suggesting a link between sexual offenders and those that were abused as children - apparently the incidence rate is around 35% of sexual offenders being abused as children. I'll see if I can dig up a link...

Back on topic - I think its not just the anonyminty of the internet that turns people into gankers, but also the lack of consequence of actions built into the game itself. Anyone can hit a lowbie zone and start greifing other players. The worst consequence of this, a bunch of 70's find you and camp you and you may be forced to spirit rez and hearth. 10 mintues with rez sickness seems a pretty easy way to get off, and thats assuming you get caught in the first place.

Adding into the mix that there are a lot of immature kids playing WoW and you are bound to get gankers & griefers.

Cheers,

Stealthy

[Quix]

Damn,, even split so far..... Im definately in the "If its red, its dead Catagory".

From UO, to Shadowbane, to World of Warcraft (at least till something better comes out)

Leigon of Hing
United Humpers
Lords of Death
Weapons of Mass Destruction

My desire to kill other players has outlived many guilds & many games.

I R PK.

My name is Quix & Im a Gankaholic.

I don't camp lowbies. I don't Go to Lowbie areas looking for a fight. I do play the game as normal, & attack every red name I run across (Sometimes with the result of me getting knocked the F$%K out)

I find it amusing when multiboxing at lvl 62 I took out 3 70s that were in my leveling area ganking lowbies. Oh the irony :whistling:

[Tasty]

well I R PKK :P take that you. I agree on some points but not others. It is as people say 'just a game' so I should be allowed to kill whoever I want whenever I wanted. That being said I don't agree with camping/griefing people. (My definition of griefing doesn't mean killing someone 2 or 3 times then leaving - my definition is doing anything for the sole purpose of making someones gameplay experience miserable) I like ganking people its fun :) and killing someone 3 times and then leaving is NOT camping. On that note is there a set number of times you kill someone when ganking turns into camping? or is camping defined by the way you act? Sitting on their corpse and waiting to kill them. /shrug

Edit: lol@diablo PK :P also LoD TPPK :D good times

[unit187]

If you call your buddies for a gank-fest, prepare to eat 4x fire elementals as I chain heal through the chaos, then /spit, /mount, and leave your burnt corpses. :D
dunno how about your server, but on Shadowmoon EU we got powerful and overpopulated horde. So once I come and steamroll 5 people at elemental plateu, in 10 mins I get hunted by 1000 a3 geared undead warlocks spamming seed of corruptiong and 5000 dots.

[thinus]

I like ganking people its fun :) and killing someone 3 times and then leaving is NOT camping.

Sticking around waiting for someone to rez after you killed them is camping.

And what makes it "fun"?

[Tasty]

I'm sure thats probably a psychological thing or something I don't know but to me ganking just IS fun.

[kllrwlf]

I don't attack unless attacked first... then I put you on my list with Vanakos and will kill you every time I see you.

[Simulacra]

If it's red, it's dead.

This attitude enables me to handle being ganked without batting an eyelid (it's a game ;) ). Today my team got ganked by a skull level hunter in STV, meh, I rezzed starting questing again and promptly got ganked by the same guy, so I rezzed again and kept on trucking. In thousand needles my pally and mage were hunted down and killed by a 47 hunter, I didn't think I had a chance so just let him get on with it. Later on the mirage raceway another 47 hunter ganked us (pally and mage) again, I put up a fight and managed to get him to about 40% health before I died, my thoughts on that are : you fail hunter lol letting a 39 Prot pally take you down so far. But I bare him no grudge and I have no KoS list. I've played on some rather nasty ganking realms, Tichondrius, Jubei'Thos and Barthilas. Hillsbrad is simply a no go zone on all of these. You get used to it and payback the other faction whenever you can but without mailce, I very rarely camp and only when they're particularly obnoxious.

I used to have one rule, never gank on an escort quest, then TBC came out and on my first escort quest I was ganked...twice. Now it's open slather for me.

I think what a lot of people forget is that Warcraft has the word War in it.

[kllrwlf]

I don't attack unless attacked first... then I put you on my list with Vanakos and will kill you every time I see you.

Need to add... that slowly, I'm moving over to the Red==Dead. While I was typing the previous post, I was getting corpse camped by a 70 Rogue and 70 Warlock. 1 hour later, still getting camped...

[Kel]

I started off (single player) on a pvp server with some friends, my first character was a resto druid, second a holy paladin... I was definately the gankee not the ganker. I once logged in my druid to go on a killing spree after being wasted on an alt, found a lowbie and then though 'na, why upset them just because someone upset me?'

The only time I killed people at an unfair advantage was if they were doing something unfair (e.g. killing npcs/quest givers or rooftop camping lowbies), but this seems to be mostly on pve where I play now. There was a hunter using eyes of the beast to run his pet into darkshore and eat unfortunate lowbies, I had a lot of fun when I found him (hiding out in the water) and got a nice frostbolt off at him when he couldn't see me, shame is he didn't come back after that :(

Another time I got my priest pvp flagged trying to hand in a quest before someone killed the npc, a little while later I was fighting a mob and a hunter attacked me and I kill him and the mob. Then he ressed and attacked me again while I was fighting - dead hunter again. Then he ressed and ran away with AotC on :P

Fair fights are too few and far between for my liking, which is why I play one pve servers. There's still occasional scope for pvp encounters, but without being camped by level 60s (now 70s).

[Mudd]

My rules of engagement:
- Don't attack unless attacked or they are on KOS list.
- Don't attack anyone who is known to camp for hours, and will get revenge on my main (holy priest).
- Large groups of allies watching me will die as soon as someone stealths, buffs, dismounts, or summons a pet.
- Anyone visible while doing the group Simon daily dies.
- While leveling, skulls are fair game.
How to get on the KOS list:
- You're a male night elf hunter (camped if your name is a variant of XXlegolasXX420).
- You're a male dwarf that uses /dance /lol too much.
- You've ganked me while levelling.
- You've forced me to kill you too many times.
- Your guild contains too many of the above.

Sometimes I like to follow people and make them sweat. Wind up some soul fires and cancel at the last second. Most of them keep their cool. Once in a while someone will get nervous and attacks which gives me the go ahead to kill them. Also, I don't consider it first attack if you toss 5x Seed of Corruption on a mob they are close to :D .

[kayb]

It all depends on my mood. If I'm angry I will kill anything and everything, I might even decide to ruin someones day (at least until they log off). I've got an extremely short fuse sometimes, and believe it or not this brings me back into a good mood. If I'm happy I will sometimes decide to roleplay with the opposite party, doing some emotes and stuff. Good example of this is the other day I was doing alot of AV's. A mixture of afk-botting raid leaders, completely useless and retarded raid leaders, raid leaders out to ruin my day, losing to premades etc, made me want to rip something apart. So in one game vs a Stormscale premade I decided to do nothing but defend. I managed to hold them off at the bridge to the alliance base for about 1 hour and 20 minutes before our reinforcements were out, one after one of their premade leaving the BG. We barely lost in the end (WHO THE FUCK CAME UP WITH THE REINFORCEMENT IDEA ANYWAY? RETARDS!) but knowing that I delayed their usual 10-minute steamrolling games to almost a one and a half hour grind made me really happy. Knowing that many of their premade team quit the bg, and that they were arguing amongst themselves and spamming yells at me made me ecstatic. It was alot better than winning. Basically ruining their evening made mine.

[Slats]

I chose play defensively.



For one, it is usually solo targets I run accross. 5vs1 is not really a huge challange. I am at a point where I can kill 70's quite easily now (at 66/67) and if they make any kind of aggresive move towards me I will kill them first.
However if I see a group of people I run in and attack because people are more cocky in groups and experience has shown me they will all attack me regardless.

If you shit people off too much, they tend to bring groups of 70's to hunt you and this just slows down your own levelling.

[sanix]

You guys convinced me to never ever roll on a pvp server. ever.

[Tasty]

You guys convinced me to never ever roll on a pvp server. ever.Damn :/ I love PvP servers, always something fun happening. If anything I would try to convince you to roll on one, but to each his own. Not everyone likes the world PvP's

[efwee]

I really never do much unless attacked. However it's getting more and more tempting every day to just KoS every player considering the way they always try to get the jump on me after following me around for a while.

[Mosg2]

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=367158

That is one of the best posts I've ever read about PvP servers. I think it bears a good reading every now and then. While not everything is entirely applicable to WoW PvP compared to EQ2, the gist is the same I think.

As he so eloquently puts it, we roll on PvP servers so that we're not as safe. It just takes a different mind set. Remember though, you lose xp when you die in EQ2 pvp... And you gain it when you kill others.

[Quix]

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=367158

That is one of the best posts I've ever read about PvP servers. I think it bears a good reading every now and then. While not everything is entirely applicable to WoW PvP compared to EQ2, the gist is the same I think.

As he so eloquently puts it, we roll on PvP servers so that we're not as safe. It just takes a different mind set. Remember though, you lose xp when you die in EQ2 pvp... And you gain it when you kill others./agree
This is what makes PVP servers enjoyable for me. Well Written post.

[kllrwlf]

So, since I've reached level 62+, the only time I get ganked, are by multiple level 70s. If it's a single 70, they run away... especially since I reached level 66.

So the conclusion... most people on PVP servers gank if they know they have a high advantage... tonight's leveling, I /waved to about 4-5 hordes, who were happy that I did... then 3 70's flew in and ganked away... twice. Don't know if there will be more because I'm still a ghost and haven't rezed yet. :sleeping:

So... slowly... with every group of 70s that gank me and camp me... I'm get closer to just killing all REDS. :thumbsup:

[butta]

- You're a male night elf hunter (camped if your name is a variant of XXlegolasXX420).
- You're a male dwarf that uses /dance /lol too much.
- You've ganked me while levelling.
- You've forced me to kill you too many times.
- Your guild contains too many of the above. I am composing a "ganked me while leveling" list, and this made me laugh. The male night elf hunter haterism is wonderful too, don't need many of them around.

It is my first group of four that I'm leveling. That said, I do get a giggle out of 'one' shotting equal and higher levels as me. I would generally stay defensive because it really does slow down leveling to get into a PvP fiasco but, on Cho'gall at least, horde 70s always seem to be very willing to protect their lowbies.

If there's someone 5 or fewer levels higher than me at my questing area, I'll kill them and try to finish the quest ASAP (before 70s arrive). I really do detest the corpse camping by 70s. It's always some warlock in all netherweave crafted or rogue with freshly 70 gear who wants to stroke his epeen. grr, /endQQ.

But if you're looking for some pvp fun and to get better at is as you level, I certainly think it is good to get yourself into some fights so you can learn what your weaknesses are, especially with your setup. Look for groups of opposition your own level and initiate some combat. ;)

[junx]

Any group of 3 or more red I will attack first.

One or two players keeping to themselves I'll leave alone. Doesn't take any skill to kill somebody 1 v 5.

[Moxy]

My views are currently in transition. >;) I was all for the live and let live- mess with me- you die- philosophy. Then I was getting repeatedly jumped for over an hour by ?? people in groups while trying to make it up to SM. I had some controls screwed up from updating addons and getting some macros wiped out (wtf?) so this was adding alot to my frustration. Mostly, I've been able to cope with the nature of a PvP server- and even /yawn at the high levels that need more entertainment. I was getting pretty upset today though (maybe it was teh caffeine) so I might soon have a policy of 'Its red, its dead, and then I will hurt it some more.' I guess I'm vindictive like that. I don't think I'm vengeful enough to make out a mental KoS list thought- I never remember names. ;)

[kayb]

The only thing that sucks with this game is that I cant kill alliance players. Alot of them are too stupid to deserve to live, but I can't do anything about it. I hate it =|

[kllrwlf]

You could always get another account and reroll the opposite faction...

If I get jumped by an officer of a small guild repeatedly, I put the entire guild in KOS. Ashenvale... Felwood... yep, gank all the lowbies. :thumbsup:

[Mosg2]

From Hellfire Peninsula to Blade's Edge I was never corpse camped. I got killed by a 70 once or twice but I made over 2k honor in just kills getting to 69 with my Shammies, where I am presently. As soon as I hit Netherstorm though... The gankage began. Every red name was KoS and I was able to push my way through it with only getting chain CC'd for a total of 1.5 hours.

The moral? As I said earlier, you have to treat every red name as an oppurtunist. They're just waiting until they think they have enough of an advantage to win.

[crebble]

Kill on sight. If its red, it dies. Sorry, but if you dont' like it, get off the PvP server.

hehe kinda my tactics too!
tho these days they dont even try get their buddies for assist! ;(

[pinotnoir]

I usually leave people alone if I am leveling. If they are killing the same stuff I am for quest then they must die. I dont think its fun to kill some poor bastard who is a lowbie with my 70 and camp him forever. I got better stuff to do with my time. If some high level ganks me I usually kill any red in the area after as payment for the gank. My goal is to reach 70. Once I am 70 I will attack depending on my mood and if I am busy or not. If I am trying to get to an instance for a raid I dont mess with people. I have things to do so attacking would make me late and waste time.

Yesterday I had some jerk 70 kill my 3 51 shamans and the flight guy I was getting ready to talk with in searing gorge. He ended up killing me 2 times each. I was able to finally fly away when I rezed everyone at the fight guy when he respawned. You have to be pretty bored to do that. Once I get my team to 70 I plan on making many alliance pay for my ganks during leveling. And if anyone in my guild is getting ganked I will rush to their aid if I am not in a bg or instance. Thats something The Zerg is not very good at doing so far since I been in the guild. I have been camped by 70's several times while leveling and no Zerg has come to help. Once my team is 70 I will be the one that comes and helps the guys who are leveling up. Maybe when they get camped back they will think twice about messing with a lowbie zergling.

[Vyndree]

I am composing a "ganked me while leveling" list, and this made me laugh.

I highly recommend VanasKOS, btw. ;) If your guildies use VanasKOS, you'll get an alert with coordinates if THEY see someone on your KOS list. ;)

[Quix]

The only thing that sucks with this game is that I cant kill alliance players. Alot of them are too stupid to deserve to live, but I can't do anything about it. I hate it =|lol, I feel the same way about some of my faction. If WoW ever implemented a FFA server I'd start over on that the next day.

[Nitro]

I tried to be nice for awhile because i massively outnumbered and out powered people but when they feel safe around you they get brave and bring thier friends to mess with you thinking your a bot. So now if its red its dead and to rub it in real good i camp them multiple times to make sure they to to head to the other side of the map next time thy see me.

After taking this stance I have had very few troubles lately.

[Rimmel]

I'm not really big into ganking horde while they are questing or anything. If I see something like "South Shore is under attack!" then I usually show up and see what I can do. SS is under attack 24/7 on my server with more horde than alliance. I also got ganked a LOT while leveling different toons, mostly from lvl 70's camping me in Duskwood or something, very rare was it to be ganked by a horde near my level. I guess 70's just get bored sometimes. But, I play on a PVP server and kinda knew what I was getting into.

Sometimes, I even try to help lower levels of opposing factions, and they sic their imp or void walker on me like they are really going to take my group down or something. I don't really understand That, but oh well.

[kayb]

I usually leave people alone if I am leveling. If they are killing the same stuff I am for quest then they must die. I dont think its fun to kill some poor bastard who is a lowbie with my 70 and camp him forever. I got better stuff to do with my time. If some high level ganks me I usually kill any red in the area after as payment for the gank. My goal is to reach 70. Once I am 70 I will attack depending on my mood and if I am busy or not. If I am trying to get to an instance for a raid I dont mess with people. I have things to do so attacking would make me late and waste time.quote]



But, see, you're not getting back at the person who did something to you, you're just killing random people. But it does feel good, doesn't it? Welcome to my world. You're just the same as me =)

[kllrwlf]

LOL... ganking is about opportunity... and not about skill, or honor, or about having an fair fight.

While I was doing a collection quest, the one where the item that you are looting off of the group either zaps you or gives you the quest item, I had my 5 team spread out to 5 spawn points.
A person 3 levels lower then me sees one of them just standing there... waits, then decides that he/she'll gank me because I might be AFK... *sigh*
So I get my main, gather up all my other toons then head over and pwn him. He was shocked to see 4 toons run up to him.

An hour later, I see a lvl 64 hunter and ignore him and continue to my questing. 2 level 70 Rogues unstealth and kill everyone and the hunter moves on after taking a couple shots at me.

On the same night, I see a level 65 and a level 70 doing a quest. So I just do my own thing. They decide that they'll gank me, all my toons died because I wasn't prepared. 2nd round I got both of them and a rogue that was with them. 3rd round, I killed their lower level then almost had the 70 but died.

Later on the same night, a level 70 hunter decide that he/she'll test his/her skills. I was low on mana and health and drink/eating when I got ganked, had the hunter down to ~100 health, but couldn't finish it.

Moral of the story... people will gank when they feel they have the advantage.

My question to those that is on the "Red == Dead". How does their retaliation go?
As in, after killing X amount of the other faction, is there always a group of 70s that come specifically for you?
OR do you find that the ganking towards you goes down or stay about the same?
OR since you've already killed X amount of the other faction, when the ganking comes it just becomes sport?

[Tasty]

My question to those that is on the "Red == Dead". How does their retaliation go?

As in, after killing X amount of the other faction, is there always a group of 70s that come specifically for you?

OR do you find that the ganking towards you goes down or stay about the same?

OR since you've already killed X amount of the other faction, when the ganking comes it just becomes sport? The other night I had an entire raid gank me because I was "defending the Netherstorm summon stone for the Alliance" I felt so proud :D
That night I had around 240 HK's and around 1300 honour :)

[junx]

On Skullcrusher I had a toon on the Alliance and Horde. Way back in the day before most people even hit 60, heck most didn't have their mounts, I corpse dragged a level 1 gnome and a level 1 orc to the arena in STV and setup fights between the factions. This was before all the 'l33t sp33k' mods and such. It was a lot of fun.

I also used to run up and down the roads in Ashenvale on my alts with my 60 druid or rogue in stealth on follow. Invariably somebody of a much higher level would come by to gank and then... Surpise! lol

[butta]

I am composing a "ganked me while leveling" list, and this made me laugh.

I highly recommend VanasKOS, btw. ;) If your guildies use VanasKOS, you'll get an alert with coordinates if THEY see someone on your KOS list. ;)Oooo thank you very much ! Gonna pick this up for when I actually start/join a guild ;p I'm brand new on Cho'gall so I don't really know many people yet. Besides the folks who are really enamored with dancing quadruplets of course (=


The other night I had an entire raid gank me because I was "defending the Netherstorm summon stone for the Alliance" I felt so proud :D
That night I had around 240 HK's and around 1300 honour That's awesome :D I ran into my first meeting stone troubles trying to get a fifth up to SM. Had to kill a ?? hunter TWICE to get the damn summon off. I know he was steaming when he ran back ASAP and got 4X earth shocked instantly ;)

[Team Squishee]

Where can we get this Vanoskos mod? It isn't on curse.

I have been drawing up an Excel spreadsheet of everyone who has ganked me so far and an in game mod like that sounds awesome.

It seems that on EU Al'Akir there are always Undead Rogues at Lakeshire & Darkshire flight points ganking all the lowbies that fly in - my list grows every day.

The only person I havent added was an Undead rogue who got me twice in Stormwind at about 3am - credit to the guy for getting into the city to pick off lowbies when there are 70s everywhere so he escaped my future wrath.

I think I will start with a 'live and let live' attitude vs single players when i do start seeing horde of my own level, groups will be red=dead, and anyone who does the /spit emote after ganking me will go not only on the KOS list , but also on the corpse camping list.

[Djarid]

Camping is bad. M-O-O-N, that spells bad.ROFL!!!

[kllrwlf]

Where can we get this Vanoskos mod? It isn't on curse.

http://www.wowace.com/wiki/VanasKoS

[Vyndree]

I am composing a "ganked me while leveling" list, and this made me laugh.

I highly recommend VanasKOS, btw. ;) If your guildies use VanasKOS, you'll get an alert with coordinates if THEY see someone on your KOS list. ;)Oooo thank you very much ! Gonna pick this up for when I actually start/join a guild ;p I'm brand new on Cho'gall so I don't really know many people yet. Besides the folks who are really enamored with dancing quadruplets of course (=

Well the trick here is to put VanasKOS on all your /follow'ing chars, so that if they spy someone in the air that you haven't seen yet, you'll get a nice flashy warning on your main's screen to duck and cover. That is, until you turn 70 and then you hunt them down with the fury of the angry camped-while-leveling level70 multiboxer.

[lille]

Im in a guild that really tries to start some world pvp on our server. We try so hard that when we invite low levels to the guild or mostly those who just start in hellfire peninsula, they usually comment that since they joined the chances a horde will attack them first has increased by 90% or so... My motto is: If its red, its dead! And the only time i dont follow this is if the horde are superior in numbers, or if its a) a warlock or b) a hunter with equal or superior gear. Another exception is if they are doing a hard/irritating quest, like escorting the skettis guy, wait time for him is forever.. BUT if i was attacked while escorting i usually stay in the area and kill everyone i see doing the quest =)

[Eteocles]

It depends on my mood. When I'm questing or on a mission to do something specific, I'll leave people alone unless they bother me or someone in my faction first(Unless it's someone in my faction I hate, like Goosexi, who I lol'd at while he got ganked by a druid near Ogrila)

There's times I'll be a merciless motherfucker though; when I was lvling my NE Rogue on Gul'Dan, I tried to lvl in felwood...couldn't go 2 steps without a new ganker showing up to rape me silly(this was pre-bc); I couldn't get shit done. I eventually got so fed up with it I left, went to STV, and ganked the ever-loving shit out of every horde I could find, in the troll ruins, at nesingwary, at the bloodsails, everywhere, I even went into fucking Grom'Gol and DESTROYED them, vanishing from the guards after(I was subtlety/daggers with a +5 Shanker MH at the time so I could 2shot lv60 clothies with a crit ambush/backstab), and even ganked a few on the zeppelin after it pulled away, hopping down to continue my rampage.

I also had a bad experience awhile back on my Druid post-BC, I forget WHY exactly but I was 70 already and geared a bit, something pvp-related pissed me off hardcore, and I spent the rest of the fucking day ganking every horde I could find, in and out of town mercilessly in Hellfire peninsula; 70s showed up to help if I waited too long in one spot and I destroyed them too. I was pissed and my Crit was cooperating with me, 5k starfires for all! Fuck you 60 rogue! Fuck you 55 warlock, go back to Azeroth! Fuck off lv70 hunter, your fucking pet can't get me up here, eat moonfire assmunch! ;P

But yeah that's my only 2 "major" "returned favors". Rest of the time I won't go specifically looking for pvp unless I'm making a video(Like when I ganked half the Orgrimmar AH pre-bc with my rogue at 60 lol) or it's a KoS guild(Like Superiority Complex for ruining our Kazzak attempt awhile back; I did the same to them by Cycloning their MT when they tried him a few days later ;) Much fun ensued as he oneshotted non-tanks >D and I cyclone any horde kazzak MT I catch since then, if I can't down him noone can!)

Bottom line: Don't fuck with me or my allies and I won't fuck you raw ;p

[thinus]

As I said before, I am the defensive kind. My group is halfway through 69 and I only really got camped once and not for long. I got killed twice by a roaming 70 priest in STV when my group was in their thirties and ganked a few times at Nessings but this is also where I killed my first skull. I also got ganked occasionally by a passing 70 power leveling in the same instances I was running.

The only time I got camped was in Nagrand. A 70 hunter with some arena gear and a 68 or so shaman attacked me, I was 67 or 68 I think. I ignored the shaman, and just closed on the hunter. The hunter just stood there shooting at my pally (lawl). Killed the hunter and then killed the shaman. The hunter came back on the flying mount and hid on a tree somewhere and shadowmelded. Insta-gibbed one of my clothies from max range and was restealthed before I realized and could get in range to retaliate. Rinse and repeat for all my other clothies. I think I tried to make a run for it or get out of range and this is where the hunter just picked me off from range. I felt pretty useless.

So...I ran halfway across Nagrand to rez and then got jumped by the hunter again. At this point I logged my rogue on with pretty decent honor gear and S2 weapons and went looking for the hunter. Halaa raid started and I caught up with the hunter there. Got a few retribution kills in and 150 Halaa tokens later the Alliance dogs were driven from Halaa.

Funnily enough, the ganking happened at Nessings in Nagrand, let that be a lesson to y'all.

[Tasty]

Sorry bout the semi-thread resurrection but I just though up a question I found interesting. Do you ever gank people because of the guild they're in. Guilds like <If its red its dead> <I'm sorry were you questing> etc?

[Eteocles]

There's a guild on mag named <I'm sorry were you questing?>...I half-wished right then I could gank them then and there, but they were same faction =x

I don't typically gank based on guildname being pvp-oriented...but I DO gank guilds if enough of their members piss me off or do something cheap/low, which is why I ganked a Shaman from <Run Out> this morning for his guildies having bothered me over the past couple weeks, and his hunter buddy looked over my 3 alts, got on his flying mount and ran the fuck away cuz i basically 2shotted the shaman mid-heal lol