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Xzin
07-20-2007, 03:20 AM
Let's face it. 5 computers can give off some heat. Especially if you are in a room with poor air circulation or a small room. I used to suffer through it with my original setup and eventually installed a "whisper quiet" bathroom fan to help vent the air outside. It worked and helped quite a bit but it was always warmer than I would have liked. It also required cutting a hole in my house - something not everybody can do. When I revised my setup, I made the decision to do everything right - this included environmental controls.

You need to do SOMETHING to think about keeping yourself and your equipment cool. If nothing else, your computers will not like the heat and will start to corrupt the memory, reboot randomly or simply wear out faster (hard drives in particular). Be sure to have adequate fans in place at the minimum - you can pick up fans cheaply at monoprice.com - newegg charges too much to ship. Be sure to allow for proper air flow through the back of your machines too - cramming them into a wall might be a bad idea.

So, you want to cool yourself and your computers. How?

Cooling falls into two main strategies:

1. Fans
2. AC Units

Fans / Forced Air Circulation

If you can simply vent the air somewhere, that usually works - provided you are able to capture it all and prevent it from radiating out into the room. Simply turning a fan on will only cool you though as your sweat evaporates. Your computers will not benefit from this, other than the moving the hotter air away from them, which will probably be fairly minimal. The hot air will continue to build up though unless it has somewhere to go.

Your fan solution can be as simple as a standing fan or as complex as an inline duct fan or even a custom built box to direct the air through your computers and outside. None of which work well unless they can capture the heat as it is produced and get rid of it right away.

AC Units

These fall into several categories. The simple ""through the wall" AC unit is the cheapest. They are also VERY LOUD. They contain the compressor and the fan and neither of which are usually designed to be quiet. These tend to be the cheapest though and you get what you pay for. Figure you will pay $200 to $400 for one of these. Most run off of 120V AC power but pull A LOT of power, so don't expect to put one and 5 computers on the same breaker. They require a window to vent the hot air out of.

The next unit up is a portable AC unit. These range in price from $500 to $900 for the sizes you would want for boxing. They are usually on wheels and are designed to cool up to about 1 Ton (12000 BTU) - which is what you will likely need, depending on your climate, personal needs, room size, room insulation, etc. These DO need to be vented somehow - you usually have a few feet of hose though and many come with window adapters. You could also cut a hole in your wall and properly caulk and seal it and install a self closing baffle to keep pests out when it is not in use. Many of these run on 120V AC, so they are easy to use but also take up a lot of power.

The next step up is what I consider the ultimate setup (short of designing a house's duct system with a separate zone for your computer space). It is called a ductless, or mini split AC unit. I just finished installing mine and the results are incredible. The compressor sits outside, just like a normal central air system (only a little smaller). 4 lines run to the indoor unit, up to 40 or so feet away. Which means you will likely need to cut a hole in your wall, but only about 3" in diameter. The 4 lines are an electrical conduit, drain lines and copper gas and liquid lines. These units are hardwired and usually considered permanent installs. They will most likely require a professional install to run electrical and charge the unit with "freon" or its equivalent. But boy are they SILENT. If you put it on maximum blast and stand next to it, you can hear it - but compared to a normal "through the window" unit, it is night and day. Perhaps 40 db vs 70 - 80 - and remember, decibels is a logarithmically scaled measure, not linear. I had a 2 Ton (24000 BTU) unit installed and my average room temperature went from 85+ to 70 degrees. The actual unit is mounted some 30 odd feet away no less! I can't hear it at all from here, which was the point. I moved EVERY computer away from my monitors and inputs to keep the increasingly loud roar and whines to a minimum. Mini splits cost around $1500 to $2000 for a professional install and the unit. Units themselves are generally $800 to $1000 with an extra $250 for fittings and pipe, usually not included.

Other than a duct based system, you are not going to get a quieter solution than a mini split (ductless) system. Real popular in Europe, Asia and the Middle East but not very common in the USA.

I would like to elaborate a bit more on this topic at a later date. No guarantee I will do so here though.

jmet
07-20-2007, 08:05 AM
I have to agree, these units are great. At my prior place of employment we had one of these in our server room. And currently I am getting pricing to put one in my server/game room in my house.

Nitro
07-20-2007, 01:04 PM
I run 7 PC's in my living room and installing an AC in the living room window during the summer is an absolute must. On the plus side though, during the winter, my PC's heat my entire house, I havnt turned on my house heating in over 3 years.

Xzin
07-20-2007, 01:30 PM
Me neither and where I live it gets COLD.

inire
07-20-2007, 02:18 PM
Interesting. Never heard of these before today.

here's a link to a FAQ for other silly americans like me who never heard of this.

http://www.air-n-water.com/splitac.htm

Xzin, have you had any experience with using direct contact cooling i.e. water cooling and the like? would that be another way of eliminating the heat?

inire

Shogun
07-20-2007, 02:55 PM
Funny, these things are what I immediately think of when AC is mentioned, as growing up in Europe they're really common. We had one installed in the office a few days ago, and I managed to get a free one many years ago in exchange for advertising in my parents newspaper (in Spain, the office was an oven)

Xzin
07-20-2007, 02:56 PM
I have dabbled with evaporative cooling. It works VERY WELL but it gets messy and condensation can be a big problem. It is one of the best ways to overclock though, short of liquid nitrogen.

Water cooling is something I profess limited experience with but I do understand the concepts. You will never be able to cool more than ambient as it only moves the heat from one place to another (the room).

You would have to cool 5 computers, 5 video cards and even then the benefits would be pretty minimal at best - you would be moving the heat from one place to another, and the CPU and the GPU are not the only sources of heat.... so I can't see that being viable unless you are water cooling outside or somewhere that was then chilled. Water cooling gets expensive with 5 rigs that need it though.

The heat needs to either go somewhere else, be cooled or not be produced at all. Not many other options really.

Morganti
07-20-2007, 03:00 PM
Window unit user here. Loud as all get out with 5 computers and a tv and a celing fan and whatnot....Thank god for good headphones that cover my ears completely ;)

Shogun
07-20-2007, 03:09 PM
With the water cooling option you need a "reservoir" and a pump to pass it through the cooling devices on each component, you could however run 1 large pump and 1 big reservoir, with cold water, for all 5 PC's. Still alot of cash for the cooling parts for components etc, and I just don't trust water+PC :P

JesDyr
07-20-2007, 03:39 PM
I have dabbled with evaporative cooling. It works VERY WELL but it gets messy and condensation can be a big problem. It is one of the best ways to overclock though, short of liquid nitrogen.


"Bong coolers" (evaporation towers) were a short lived thing in the OC/Modder communities. The problems they caused were just not worth it. They could only drop a little bit below ambient temps at best. They basicly replaced TECs (peltier cooling) which could not scale well with the hotter CPUs.

Rightnow there is MANY active cooling solutions out there that work great for single systems. Using 5-10 and the cost gets high plus with any active cooling solution you are producing more heat than cold. This is why you have A/C units exhaust to the outside. These little units are not a good idea for multibox setups.

Air cooling is the easier method and is tried and true. Using a "room" A/C unit would be the cheapest and lowest cost solution but the noise is an issue. A combination of heatpipes, A/C and well directed air flow might work out the best, but this requires a great deal of work.

.... yah .. I use to be very active in the case modding community ;)

kermitforney
11-15-2007, 03:57 PM
Bumping an old thread.... :)

Something I found that may help in this area.

http://www.xtremods.com/?pg=review_exhaustsystema1

http://www.xtremods.com/reviews/exhaustsystem/exhaust/tn/DSCN0800.jpg http://www.xtremods.com/reviews/exhaustsystem/exhaust/tn/DSCN0807.jpg http://www.xtremods.com/reviews/exhaustsystem/exhaust/tn/DSCN0808.jpg

Vent the excess heat directly into your walls, or out a window, or whatever. Now, these are a bit restrictive, but the general idea is pretty sound. Make sure all the airflow in your case pumps out the power supply fan, and then direct it from there where you need it to go.

This was exactly what I as thinking about, but adding an outside exhaust vent similar to dryer machines (without the lint :)).

The IT Monkey
11-15-2007, 04:05 PM
Bumping an old thread.... :)

Something I found that may help in this area.

http://www.xtremods.com/?pg=review_exhaustsystema1

http://www.xtremods.com/reviews/exhaustsystem/exhaust/tn/DSCN0800.jpg http://www.xtremods.com/reviews/exhaustsystem/exhaust/tn/DSCN0807.jpg http://www.xtremods.com/reviews/exhaustsystem/exhaust/tn/DSCN0808.jpg

Vent the excess heat directly into your walls, or out a window, or whatever. Now, these are a bit restrictive, but the general idea is pretty sound. Make sure all the airflow in your case pumps out the power supply fan, and then direct it from there where you need it to go.

This was exactly what I as thinking about, but adding an outside exhaust vent similar to dryer machines (without the lint :)).

Ummm... you haven't opened one of MY computers have you? If you had you would see that while it's not filled with lint... there is enough dust to PASS as lint. LOL

Xzin
11-15-2007, 04:38 PM
You guys know what dust is... right?

It's kind of like knowing where honey comes from or how sausage is made.

The IT Monkey
11-15-2007, 04:39 PM
You guys know what dust is... right?

It's kind of like knowing where honey comes from or how sausage is made.

Yes,
Honey=Bee Vommit
Sausage = Casing at least is usually pig intestine
Dust=Dead, human skin cells.

Xzin
11-15-2007, 05:39 PM
Also bologna. Yummmmmy beef hearts.

Crayonbox
05-08-2008, 07:43 PM
This has to be one of the best threads for newbies coming into multiboxing.

When I first started with multiple boxes, I had major overheating problems due to small room. Later on, I found out the problem was that my room lacked airflow. Simply opening my windows fixed the problem for short term and then redoing my fans and vents fixed it longterm. California weather ftw ^_^

yarr
05-08-2008, 07:59 PM
cool your cpu with a stirling imo ;P

Jaws5
05-08-2008, 08:07 PM
I have found , in my High desert area the best way to cool is with swamp cooles. you open a window or upduck fan up stairs and turn on the cooler. house stays 15-30 degrees below outside temp. This only works will if humity is below 20 percent. Where I live (Vegas Baby) it works great until the rains come.

:)

opt
05-08-2008, 10:51 PM
At work, we refer to the "through the wall" units as window or wall wrattlers, and for good reason there bloddy noisy and anoying. Plus there an old style system very inefficient and nasty, but they are cheap and easy to install.

The split system is a great alternative and if you shop around you maybe able to find yourself a kit where you may not need a proper electrician to install them. Im not sure around the world, but in australia these systems need to be installed by a refrigeration mechanic, basically because of the type of gas used in them is not to be handled by the general public (R22).

Currently at my place I have an evaprotive cooler, its not the greatest unit but its alright, cools down the whole house reasonabily well unless its blistering hot, in which it doesnt work all that great. There are vents in the roofs around the whole house and there is a unit which sits ontop of the house basically with a water pump and a fan in it. These units are also reasonably cheaper than the refridgirated ducted split-system, but dont have as much goods like the refrigerated.

I currently rent my house from the australian defense force. I am also apart of the electrical contracting group up here are we are currently looking at all the australian defense housing here and upgrading the air conditioning in them. Most of these houses have evaprotive coolers in them but we are slowly changing them to ducted-split systems. There are 2 of us who do this.

Basically what im trying to get to, if you have the money i would push getting a ducted split system in your house.
It is a reverse cycle unit, so you can heat and cool, but one of the great features with some of the models we're putting into the houses is that it has controls for multiple zone temperatures, so you can set many rooms at different temperatures. This is great for your boxing room because you can drop it down to 17 degrees celcius and keeping your equipment nice and cool whilst setting the rest of the house around 20-22 which is a very comfortable living condition.

Currently it is the best systems in the market at the moment, and this is the options you should be considering if you have the money. Unfortunently 99% of the time you wont be able to install it yourself, it requires duct work put into your roof aswell as a indoor unit in your roof and an outdoor unit which is where the compressor is kept, like the minisplit zin is talking about. There are super quiet, the only noise you really get is at the return air vent which is where the air is sucked into the indoor unit before it is cooled. If the filters are dirty they will make a whistling noise, otherwise its a peaceful fantastic system.

For anyone who has a split system, please clean your filters. It will prevent problems in the future.

Theres my aircon wrapup:)

Anozireth
05-09-2008, 01:57 AM
During my time in Iraq, we had two of the split AC units per 8-man tent. They did a pretty good job of keeping it cooler inside during the evening. During the day it would often get so hot (125F or hotter even) that our generator would overheat and shut down, so we couldn't run them during the hottest part of the day, but we weren't usually in the tents at that time anyway.

One thing I didn't see mentioned, the units we had were also capable of running in reverse and acting as a heater in the winter. Yes, it does get cold enough to need a heater in Iraq. :D

Skuggomann
05-09-2008, 12:38 PM
I live in iceland so its kind of like livig in a cooling box :P

bugilt
05-09-2008, 12:48 PM
5 clients x 1 pc FTW

Eteocles
05-09-2008, 01:53 PM
That's PC modding/cooling on a Tim Allen level there Fur..lol

Eteocles
05-09-2008, 02:42 PM
Actually it was Tim the toolman Taylor I think...Allen is the actor's name I guess, my bad :P

Preddz
05-09-2008, 05:33 PM
As Opt said, Your best bet is to get a split system. Very Quite. Very economical. If your lucky you can get a really cheap one fitted for nothing. The split system just recirculates the air in the area its cooling down. All you need is space for the Condensing unit [Outdoor unit], which means no appartments/flats, unless you want a REALLY long pipe run :P A small wallmounted split system can cool your room down to around 17 degrees.

Over here in the UK i bought a Mitsubishi Wallmounted Air Conditioning 3kW System for £350 [$700?]. Obviously i fitted it myself, but what you looking at being charged in the UK for something like that is around 1 Days work, so basicly what ever the hourly rate is. Estamated £30 an hr. Might sound slightly expensive but if kept well maintained can last for Years.

Abit off Topic, Nitro, Not sure if you remember me. Alastorr from RF Online, Fire Server. :D Impressive setup hope i can get my shamans as equip soon.

Sam DeathWalker
05-09-2008, 09:45 PM
I got kinda crazy on this issue. I took the insides out of one of these:

http://www.coolorheat.com/

its a thermoelectic cooler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect

Has a pump that circulates fluid. Took some hoses like they use for under the sink water supplies and put those to a copper pipe and put the copper pipe under my arm ... Sometimes you can know to much ... crazy but it works lol. Very low cost becuase all you cool is yur armpit heh.

I use the thermaletake big typhoon and dont ahve problems with my computers ...

Its a very good idea to vent your computer heat to the outside though thats for sure.

Xzin
05-10-2008, 05:02 PM
Unfortunently 99% of the time you wont be able to install it yourself

I guess I am that odd 1%. I installed a mini split unit myself. Had a HVAC guy do the final charging (basically putting in the gas).

Very quiet but a bit more of an install than just sticking something in the window.