Paladin + 4 Shammys OR 5 Shammy's

[IWestyI]

So, ive come stuck apon a a choice. I am stuck bewteen 5 shammys or 1 paladin and 4 shammys.

I would like to do 5 shammys, simply because pvp will rock and it will be easyer to, it will also look really good around town lol.

But, would a 5 shammy team be able to solo every instance and be able to bash down some heroics? as once i hit 70 i will be planning on doing mainly heroics.

A paladin + shammy team would also save me buying BC for my 5th account untill i reach 60.
So in otherwords, would 5 shammys be able to do most instances + heroics with some decent gear? Or will i need to get my self a paladin.

And one last thing, im pretty sure this PC will just be able to handle 5 wows, but seeing as i cant try it out yet ill ask anyway.

http://www.arbico.co.uk/Arbico-Performance-PentiumD-Custom-Built-Computer-p-17353.html

I upgraded the graphics card toa 8500GT.
I managed to run 2 WoW's on a 2.4ghz P4 with 1gb ram that was 6/7 years old, so ive got more than double that spec now so surely i would be able to get 5 wows going?

Thanks

[Mith]

While i have no experience 5manning heroic content w/ a shaman team, i can tell you that from a tanking perspective heroics are VERY VERY difficult if not optimally geared. In plate, specced prot, my paladin could not handle heroics until i had snagged a little KZ gear and enchanted/gemmed everything i could. This was due mainly to the HP issue paladins faced prior to a recent patch. So i'd say in theory that a 5 shaman group, while not doomed to failure, will definitly have it a bit harder than a pala+4sham group. The reasons are many, but i won't get too deep into it unless you really want to know.



~ mith

[Vyndree]

There's a search box in your upper right hand corner.

[Chorizotarian]

I don't have any direct experience with the Pentium D ('http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_d'), but I'm skeptical that you'd have a good experience running 5 copies of WoW on that system. I have a 4GB Core Duo, and I found that I need to upgrade to a quad proc to get acceptable frame rates with > 3 WoWs. The 2.4 GHz Quad Core Q6600 is going for like $250 US right now. You might consider dual boxing for a while on your current machine until you can save enough to buy something more up to date.

[Vyndree]

O M G.

How many of these threads do we really need?

We should have a "I want to copycat a known working 5-box team but I can't decide WHO TO COPY.... oh, btw, what's a search box?" forum.

[Eteocles]

Boomkin all teh way! Moonfire it all down! Let your Forest of Death©(I forget the combination for the little trademark symbol =( ) tank! Catform and sprint away from bad situations! lolz

[Vyndree]

Write a book on what? I just roll my face on the keyboard and insta-win arenas and instances.

...right?

[BobGnarly]

There are some heroics you could do with 5-shaman, and some parts of other that you could do, but it's doubtful you will be able to do them all without a tank. A shaman can't tank heroic mobs, so it would require some clever approaches to fighting, most notably, kiting.

Here's a guy who did a few that might give you some hope: http://home.comcast.net/~xbx/xbox.htm ('http://home.comcast.net/~xbx/xbox.htm'). He cleared SP iirc.

It's difficult to say exactly what you will and will not be able to do with that computer, why not just try it? I have a core-2 duo with 2G of RAM, and was surprised to find out that I actually could run 5 clients on it (and this is with a 30" monitor too, putting extra strain on the graphics sub-system) just fine as long as I didn't go into a major city or anywhere else with a lot of other players. I didn't think I would be able to, so I'd say give it a try. You might be surprised.

BTW, a big hint about that is to set the background wow processes to have a maxfps of around 15 or so. This will give the foreground process (which is the one you really care about) more space to run. This helped me out a ton.

[Eteocles]

Write a book on what? I just roll my face on the keyboard and insta-win arenas and instances.

...right?I thought you were Shamen not Warlocks...

[Boylston]

I want to let you in on a little secret. Shaman groups are so 2007...

If you really want to dominate, you'll roll one of the following groups:

4xRogue, 1xHunter (alternatively 5xRogue for maximum DPS)
This is a very, very high DPS group that achieves basically instant-kills every 30 seconds, as opposed to the shaman who have to wait 3min in between NS+EM+CL cooldowns. You start from stealth, so you pick your fights/targets, and use Shadowstep to coordinate massive instant cast damage that your opponent can't avoid. You'll have a little difficulty for the first 50 levels, but if you start a new thread about b00sting your guys, we'll give you some tips on how to do that. Hunter is useful since the pet can be used to tank heroics.


5xPaladins
Changes to retribution have made this more viable since patch 2.3. Huge DPS coupled with very strong survivability. You can bubble and kill someone while your entire team is invulnerable. Alternatively, if you get outnumbered, there is always the indefensible 5xBubbleHearth. You will want to run instances with 1 Prot, 1 Holy, 3 Ret most likely (can swap one Ret for another Prot later for BC heroics). Virtually immune to focus fire on the 5v5 arena scene.


2xFeral Druid, 1xFury Warrior, 1xEnhance Shammy, 1xRogue
Maximum skill/talent synergy with melee damage boosting abilities. Very devastating once you get all your guys on target. Can run a Quad Box setup by just dropping the second Feral Druid and replacing with a friend who is a pocket healer. Incredibly versatile since you have a variety of classes. I have used this setup before personally, so I can email you my macro files when your guys start to need it, around level 45-50...


Ignore the hate about "lrn2search". Most of these folks asked the same questions over and over again when they were new, too.
(You can tell Fursphere has asked a lot of questions, just check out his post count!!)

[Eteocles]

Boyl if you ever get a 5th shaman promise me you'll name him Boyardee for me. :p

[Boom]

There's a search box in your upper right hand corner.

There's a subject line on every thread. I suggest the two of you read it. If you've seen it before, or 10 others just like it, don't open it, and let those who don't mind talking about it, have a conversation without needed to scroll through your unwanted attitudes.



Back to the topic at hand. I've run several instances with five Shaman so far, (Mana Tombs just this morning) and each time I was at either the middle, or the top of the recommended level. (I'm 65 atm)

You're right, my boys can't tank that long, but with five DPS classes, all focused on one target, you don't have to. And don't forget the two greatest totems ever... Grounding and Stoneclaw. I can usually kill two mobs in Manatombs and have a third still busy trying to kill all the stoneclaws.

If you bring a Pally tank, you're taking away a significant amount of DPS, and for what? I don't even have Rock Elementals yet, and I'm still rolling instances (including bosses) with just a good set of shields. :) There are alot of great stories on these forums about high end raiding with full Shaman teams. This includes Heroics. Be sure to search for those.

Boom

[Mac]

...Then we'll get "post your entire macro collection and key bindings" + "screenshot of your desk layout" + "screenshot of your ui layout"

You forgot list of addons you use and how they are configured.

btw, how soon can we get this?

[Boom]

I want to let you in on a little secret. Shaman groups are so 2007...

If you really want to dominate, you'll roll one of the following groups:

4xRogue, 1xHunter (alternatively 5xRogue for maximum DPS)

5xPaladins

2xFeral Druid, 1xFury Warrior, 1xEnhance Shammy, 1xRogue

You know, I started a 5x Hunter group the other day... was so odd to fight things without waiting to cast. :) Tons of fun so far. But what I'm really interested in, is a 5x Druid group. Purely for the insane mobility. I SO want to stealth in with a 5box team, and pop out with trinket buffed Starfire. ^.^

Boom

[Sanctume]

4xRogue, 1xHunter (alternatively 5xRogue for maximum DPS)
This is a very, very high DPS group that achieves basically instant-kills every 30 seconds, as opposed to the shaman who have to wait 3min in between NS+EM+CL cooldowns. You start from stealth, so you pick your fights/targets, and use Shadowstep to coordinate massive instant cast damage that your opponent can't avoid. You'll have a little difficulty for the first 50 levels, but if you start a new thread about b00sting your guys, we'll give you some tips on how to do that. Hunter is useful since the pet can be used to tank heroics.

Yeah, with Welfare Epics (27k honor gives you 2x 91 dps daggers), 3+ Shadowstep Rogues would so own even if you have all greens other than your epic daggers. OMG, I'm gonna roll Team Rogue. :)

[IWestyI]

There's a search box in your upper right hand corner.


I tryed typing it into the search box, but it wouldnt fit, think im going to need a bigger search box. Am i not allowed to ask people their oppinion on which of the two setups will work best for my needs? If yes, then sorry i will delete this thread, if no, then unless your going to help, dont post.

Would heroics be easy if i were to make it really complicated, and have a paladin tank, 3 shammys and a priest healer? When i say easy i meen more easy than 5 shammys.

I just dont want to get to 70 to find out 5 shammys arnt the best for soloing heroics...

Thanks

Oh yea and the reason i cant try to see if 5 wows will work is because i only got this PC yesterday, it is still downloading wow extremely slowley -.-

[Sanctume]

...Then we'll get "post your entire macro collection and key bindings" + "screenshot of your desk layout" + "screenshot of your ui layout"

You forgot list of addons you use and how they are configured.

btw, how soon can we get this?
Or just have the whole thing burned into a DvD, or download from somewhere that installs in one click of a button.

[Vyndree]

There's a search box in your upper right hand corner.

There's a subject line on every thread. I suggest the two of you read it. If you've seen it before, or 10 others just like it, don't open it, and let those who don't mind talking about it, have a conversation without needed to scroll through your unwanted attitudes.

Of course I read them. I look for things like "I've searched everywhere and can't find an answer to my unique (or at least hard to find) question".

There's a difference between a genuine and well thought out question and beating a dead horse that cannot always be gleaned via subject line. Besides, my post has substance. The OP now knows there's a searchbox in his upper right, and I've alluded to the fact that there are many other people who had the exact same question answered numerous times.


Am i not allowed to ask people their oppinion on which of the two setups will work best for my needs? If yes, then sorry i will delete this thread, if no, then unless your going to help, dont post.

Of course you're allowed to ask for people's opinions. But so far I see nothing original in your thread.
5 Shammy or 4 Shammy and Pally ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=23519')
March of the Shaman? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=2228')
5 Shammies or 4 Shammies & 1 Paly? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=31603')
Origins of the Shammy+Pally Fad/Phase/Craze/Insanity(?) ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3060')
5xshamans vs 1xpali&4xshamans ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=30993')
How do you guys level 5 shamans ?? It would take half a year? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=31999&highlight=pally+shammy#post31999') (Elo's post)
5 shamans in instances ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=18317')

Just some suggested reading. And, as suggested, I'll quit posting -- clearly people think that asking a question and getting an appropriate answer is not the hand holding they wanted.

[BobGnarly]

There's a search box in your upper right hand corner.


I tryed typing it into the search box, but it wouldnt fit, think im going to need a bigger search box. Am i not allowed to ask people their oppinion on which of the two setups will work best for my needs? If yes, then sorry i will delete this thread, if no, then unless your going to help, dont post.

Would heroics be easy if i were to make it really complicated, and have a paladin tank, 3 shammys and a priest healer? When i say easy i meen more easy than 5 shammys.

I just dont want to get to 70 to find out 5 shammys arnt the best for soloing heroics...

Thanks

Oh yea and the reason i cant try to see if 5 wows will work is because i only got this PC yesterday, it is still downloading wow extremely slowley -.-OK, well, I can save you from that possibility right now. 5 shaman aren't "the best" for soloing heroics. My understanding is that you were asking if you could do it so you could keep 5 shaman for PvP, and the answer is yes, but it certainly isn't as good (imo anyway) as a group with a tank (like 1paly4shaman).

RE: your comp - wait until wow's done downloading, copy the directory 4 times (need wow in separate dirs if you want to run them at the same time), and see how it goes.

[Boom]

O M G.

How many of these threads do we really need?

We should have a "I want to copycat a known working 5-box team but I can't decide WHO TO COPY.... oh, btw, what's a search box?" forum.
Vyndree,

Your first post was a reminder... this second one (quoted above) was just mean. Don't go replying now, claiming to be a dang humanitarian and ignore this post you made.

Then you backtrack and start posting useful links for the guy AFTER bashing him? Why couldn't you just post those links in the first place? The kid said he tried to search and it didn't work. But even if he DIDNT try, you don't have to make the kid feel bad.

You knew from the subject of this thread that it was a topic you have already read about, and obviously don't care about... so just don't click on those threads. That fair?

I've had no problem with you up till now. I'm not pissed, and I certainly don't mean to start anything here. I just wanted to point out that if you don't like the subject of this thread, you can go elsewhere, and let the rest of us enjoy talking about it. I assure you, there are plenty of threads on these forums I DONT click on. That's my choice too.

Boom

[Vyndree]

Then you backtrack and start posting useful links for the guy AFTER bashing him? Why couldn't you just post those links in the first place? The kid said he tried to search and it didn't work. But even if he DIDNT try, you don't have to make the kid feel bad.

I posted the links after he attempted to search on his own and couldn't find anything. There's a difference between ignorance and an honest attempt. I am patient with people who at least TRY to help themselves.

And my comment was in reply to Fursphere, and made in a joking manner not specifically to the OP, but to the massive amount of identical questions regarding what's become a very COMMON setup. Read the posts between me and Fursphere where I "roll my face on the keyboard and win". If you can't tell that I'm joking, then you sir have humor problems.


You knew from the subject of this thread that it was a topic you have already read about, and obviously don't care about... so just don't click on those threads. That fair?

I already responded to this issue you keep bringing up.


Of course I read them. I look for things like "I've searched everywhere and can't find an answer to my unique (or at least hard to find) question".

I can and will look at them to see if there's a unique question from a person who has already done their homework or has at least tried their best to find out themselves.

As far as I know, no other 1x paladin/4x shaman group (or 5x shaman group for that matter, since I have both) has gotten as far as I have. Would you like me to censor this knowledge because some people are overly sensitive?


I've had no problem with you up till now. I'm not pissed, and I certainly don't mean to start anything here. I just wanted to point out that if you don't like the subject of this thread, you can go elsewhere, and let the rest of us enjoy talking about it. I assure you, there are plenty of threads on these forums I DONT click on. That's my choice too.

See my last message:

And, as suggested, I'll quit posting -- clearly people think that asking a question and getting an appropriate answer is not the hand holding they wanted.

I'm perfectly willing to stand aside for the sensitive folks on the forum when asked. Enjoy your thread.

Don't direct any posts to me if you'd like me to stand by that statement. If there's nothing else specifically directed to me, I'm leaving this thread alone.

[Dezeral]

RE: your comp - wait until wow's done downloading, copy the directory 4 times (need wow in separate dirs if you want to run them at the same time), and see how it goes.

You do not need to have separate directories to run multiple WoWs. You can run 5 copies of WoW from one directory. If you want to have different video detail settings on your main versus your alts, then having separate directories is useful. There are other reasons to have separate directories, but as I said, it is not required. In fact, if you run multiple copies from the same directory, you will find that you zone/load faster (assuming that you have a newer hard drive with a decent sized cache).

[IWestyI]

Those threads you listed, i only looked at the top 3, and i still couldnt find my answer.
I know that a pally and 4 shammys will be better for instances, (Or i guess anyway), what im asking is can you achieve the same as you can with 5 shammys, as i have only seen 3/4 heroics ever done with 5 shammys, but i havent yet had chance to find a video with paladin and shammys.

I could read every single post on every single thread untill i find a specific answer to my question, but i live a busy life and dont have that much time :(

[Eteocles]

Bottom line I think is it comes down to what you're more comfortable with...complicated tanking/dpsing/healing with a pala/4sham, or kiting ALOT + learning every totem-related trick(earth eles, stoneclaw, staggering Earthbind totems) to let you kill while running. The latter will take time as you may have to sit for 20mins waiting on your earth totem cooldowns before the next attempt(I believe Ellay or Vyndree one mentioned having to do so for on of their vids, I can't keep track of who is which lol); the former may not take as long but it's alot more micromanagement + class AND spec diversity as you'd probably need a resto to keep him up in the harder instances + mana tide to give him the mana to tank and yourself the mana to heal lol

[Boylston]

Those threads you listed, i only looked at the top 3, and i still couldnt find my answer.

...

I could read every single post on every single thread untill i find a specific answer to my question, but i live a busy life and dont have that much timeOk, seriously... Vyndree was incredibly helpful by hand-picking some great references for you and you "only looked at top 3" before giving up and wanting us to spell something out for you in this post. What you want, quite frankly, is still a little confusing. Those threads plus the feedback in this one should have answered what you were asking for originally.


Tank+4xShamans will be better for PvE content by yourself, especially heroics. Paladin makes a great Tank choice because its AoE threat capability matches the Shaman pros/cons of no CC and good AoE capability.

5xShamans is better for world PvP and BGs, since you have another chunk of ranged damage capability. This same makeup can do well in instances, but it requires special tactics, better gear, heavy use of elementals (on cooldowns), and has not been proven to be able to consistently and/or safely tackle the same content as the Pally+4xShammy combo. There is some content you can do as easily (maybe even better) with 5xShaman, but there are a larger number of PvE situations where the tanking class is invaluable.

4xShamans + A healer friend is a great combo for 5v5 arena. Either setup can be altered to produce this, however.

[elo]

zomg...

"Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who... this is supposed to be a HAPPY occaision!"

Let's all meet in game, drop 100 totems and have a party.

BTW - I'm rolling 5 Fury Warriors, pwnage

[IWestyI]

Those threads you listed, i only looked at the top 3, and i still couldnt find my answer.

...

I could read every single post on every single thread untill i find a specific answer to my question, but i live a busy life and dont have that much timeOk, seriously... Vyndree was incredibly helpful by hand-picking some great references for you and you "only looked at top 3" before giving up and wanting us to spell something out for you in this post. What you want, quite frankly, is still a little confusing. Those threads plus the feedback in this one should have answered what you were asking for originally.


I never said i gave up, like i said my life is quite busy, especially now. I dont have time to go through all of those threads reading every single post. Since i started this thread i have had to finish two a level physics peices of work, make my self and my 2 cousins some dinner, walk the dog and put both those cousins to bed. But still my question is simple, yet no one has specificly answered it.

Can you ACHEIVE the same with 5 shammans as you can with one paladin tank and 4 shamans, not how easy/hard it is, but can you do the same heroics with 5 shammans as you can with 1 paladin + 4 shammans, or is there some heroics that are to hard for 5 shammys but paladin and shammys can handle?

[BobGnarly]

I never said i gave up, like i said my life is quite busy, especially now. I dont have time to go through all of those threads reading every single post. Since i started this thread i have had to finish two a level physics peices of work, make my self and my 2 cousins some dinner, walk the dog and put both those cousins to bed. But still my question is simple, yet no one has specificly answered it.

Can you ACHEIVE the same with 5 shammans as you can with one paladin tank and 4 shamans, not how easy/hard it is, but can you do the same heroics with 5 shammans as you can with 1 paladin + 4 shammans, or is there some heroics that are to hard for 5 shammys but paladin and shammys can handle?I've answered your (constantly changing) question twice myself, not counting the other attempts to help you, but I guess you were probably too busy cleaning out the garage to actually read the responses. One wonders when you could even attempt to play a game like WoW if you can't be bothered to take the time to read a few posts about it (btw i read every one, took about 5 minutes).

No matter, I tried to be helpful even though your question is a dead horse, but I think I'm switching sides now. Use the search feature.

[Bollwerk]

Can you ACHIEVE the same with 5 shamans that you can with one paladin tank and 4 shamans? i.e. not how easy/hard it is, but can you do the same heroics with 5 shamans as you can with 1 paladin + 4 shamans, or are there some heroics that are to hard for 5 shamans but paladin and shamans can handle?No, most heroics you will not be able to do without a tank.

[Boylston]

The answer to your question is: NOPE.
I dont have time to go through all of those threads reading every single post. Since i started this thread i have had to finish two a level physics peices of work, make my self and my 2 cousins some dinner, walk the dog and put both those cousins to bed.To be honest, it sounds like a multi-boxing hobby is going to be something you will not be able to dedicate much time to anyhow. If you do not have time to read a few threads, I hesitate to see how you could put in the time investment required to create/refine/tweak the macros and WoW-client setup necessary to successfully multibox well.

Ask myself, or Fursphere, or Vyndree, or any one of the other multiboxers with some experience how much time they have invested in getting their software/hardware/macro/addon pieces of the equation to work.... It's orders of magnitude more than you appear willing to spend to find out basic answers when there are both 1.) easy-to-use search options and 2.) clearly laid out links to follow provided by a respected community member.

[Ripper]

What's up with all the mean back and forth in this thread. People can get too judgmental at times :(

[glo]

No matter, I tried to be helpful even though your question is a dead horse, but I think I'm switching sides now. Use the search feature.Welcome to the dark side :evil:

[Nepida]

What's up with all the mean back and forth in this thread. People can get too judgmental at times :(

Maybe the wow forums were down or something.

[IWestyI]

I have weekends and holidays. i started this thread to ask two simple questions, and all i got was abuse (Apart from one or two people who i thank very much). If you are fed up off reading the same question over again, dont even come inside the thread, it was obvious what the question was about in the title, you didnt come in intending to help me, all you wanted was a way to vent all your anger, well now youve done that i hope your happy, and can respond to this post in a way that wouldnt put anyone new to multi-boxing off the whole idea.

So i am at the conclusion, 5 shammys can do a few heroics, but in order to do most of them i will have to have a tank.

Thank you

[Boylston]

So i am at the conclusion, 5 shammys can do a few heroics, but in order to do most of them i will have to have a tank.This conclusion was easily reachable by only scanning the titles of the last 30 or so posts that are in the general forum. It's also probably reachable by reading some of the stickies in the beginner area (esp. the class selection guide(s)).


all you wanted was a way to vent all your anger, well now youve done that i hope your happy, and can respond to this post in a way that wouldnt put anyone new to multi-boxing off the whole idea. You are the new one to our community, and to be fair, have written a couple threads now in two different forums that have asked no new/unique questions. If every person "new to multi-boxing" behaved in the same way, we'd have 10,000 threads about "should I roll 4xShamans or 5xShamans" and "write me multi-box macros please" etc etc...

We can be amazingly helpful, but don't dilute the forums with requests without doing any homework and expect an overwhelmingly friendly response from 100% of the community.

[IWestyI]

I did my homework, i have read 4/5 Guides on how to multi-box, but i have not seen this class selection thread, where may i find this?

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?form=Search&searchID=13887&highlight=Class+selection

That is what i get when i search class selection before anyone rages.

[IWestyI]

Found one, but it still did not directly answer my question.

Just one more thing, are resto shamans good healers?

[Boylston]

Just one more thing, are resto shamans good healers?http://www.otherhand.net/resto/Resto_Shaman_Guide.html

I found this informative link in less time than it took for you to type your message. Search engines can be your friend.

[Suvega]

LOL, you do not learn?

by searching 'healer' and 'shaman in that box in the upper right...

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?form=Search&searchID=13932&highlight=healer

Tanking Heroics and Class Combos ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=644&highlight=healer')

[WoW] Best PvE Setup ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3890&highlight=heal+shaman+resto')

[WoW] Best pvp healer for 5-box ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=7962&highlight=heal+shaman+resto#post7962')

Heroics from a Multi-boxer perspective ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=26448&highlight=heal+shaman+resto#post26448')

Having healer vs Not Having a healer ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=18242&highlight=healer#post18242')

Druid or Paladin healer? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=21699&highlight=healer#post21699')



And the best yet:

4 Shamans, What kind of healer? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=23145&highlight=healer#post23145')

Thread title? 4 Shamans, What kind of healer?



You fit straightly into the "I'm too lazy to do anything myself, PLEASE HAND FEED ME, I WANT TO BE LEET BUT TOO LAZY TO RESEARCH"

[Sanctume]

Doh, I posted in the wrong thread, but I'll just duplicate it here.

My approach is from one character's strength and weaknesses.

My first character was a warrior and I played it and learned how it is.

Then eventually, I come upon things in the game that I can't quite do, or do well. I would say, if I only had some small heal over time, I can take on these 2 mobs. The idea of a priest standing in the back tossing heals over time sounded great. And what about the priest tossing from dots on my warrior's target as well?

Soon I am taking on 3 mobs at a time. My first challenge back at level 60 was how do I clear those 5 packs (Officer, medic, +3) in BRD to get that dark iron node. I could almost tank all 5, but that damn officer and medic heals. Simple tank and spank wasn't enough.

I eventually learned how to handle that 5 pack. Mind control on the medic kills the medic fast. During the MC, The warrior charges the lowest add. When the medic dies, warrior does AoE and priest dps the one fast. After the fear is gone, I'm back to a 3 mob situation.

Fast forward to TBC. I levelled a paladin on my priest's account, and I end up having a Warrior + Paladin at level 60. I did not do BRD as much, but when I did quests, I found out that my Paladin can handle 3+ mobs without a healer. It sure was slower, but I used my warrior as DPS with some good shouts and debuff that benefits the paladin tanking: thunderclap, demo shout, and battleshout to speed up the killing.

Anyway, when it comes to instances, a tank is a tank no matter what class. The tank's job "buys time" or helps increased the "margin of error" I can do in a fight before things get out of control. That's how I approach it; based on what the game event and mechanics.

A warrior can do the tanking job. It may not be as efficient as front load threat. but a warrior has a bit more health and mitigation compared to a paladin when "just stating out and gearing up." This little bit of advantage can be overcome by a paladin over time as the paladin gets geared up.

Overall, the paladin is "easier" to micro manage in normal 5-man instances. Having a high DPS team helps here.

But when it comes to heroic, a fresh paladin geared with quest items and random blues will most likely not last versus heroic trash without good heals, and good dps. That's verus 1 trash heroic mob. What are you going to do with the other 2 or 3 mobs in a pull?

A similarly geared starting out warrior for a heroic instance will have a slightly more hp and slightly better mitigation than a similarly geared paladin. It will still not be trivial to tank one heroic mob. He'll have a much hard time tanking 2 as a paladin regardless of threat.

The heroic videos shows high DPS team. These teams have been geared well above the heroic trash mob encounter, and just about even par with certain boss mob encounter. I fresh DPS team with quest items and random blues will not survive the first pull of a heroic instance. They will not have enough dps, and not enough health to survive a couple of heroic trash mob hits. Having a tank "buys you time" to learn that encounter. Or if you don't have a tank, then you would be farming for better gear before you tackle a heroic instance as a pure dps team.

[Boylston]

You fit straightly into the "I'm too lazy to do anything myself, PLEASE HAND FEED ME, I WANT TO BE LEET BUT TOO LAZY TO RESEARCH"

We have a winner!!

Read his other threads/posts and you'll see a consistent theme.

[Ripper]

Well, to be fair, these forums are littered with so many of the same questions. Maybe we need more forums, like group composition, quests, pvp, pve, etc. If nothing else, it would make it easier for the regulars to sort out the good topics.

[Wilbur]

No, what we need is a wiki. Dilluting the forums anymore is a bad idea and won't happen.

[Nepida]

No, what we need is a wiki. Dilluting the forums anymore is a bad idea and won't happen.
Agreed. This would also allow better categorization of strategies. Running mana tombs with 5 shaman is a heck of a lot different than running it with a pally tank, 2 mages and 2 locks.

[Djarid]

I must admit to not enjoying this thread as much as some others, partly down to (lets be kind here ;) ) a lack of familiarity of this forum by the OP but also to comments both for and against the OP.

As I see it, yes this has been asked many, many times before and to some of this gets very tiresome... @OP and Boom, just be glad Wilbur didn't see it in time (not a dig mate) ;)

I think the biggest problem with this is that it was posted in General when it is quite clearly a topic belonging in Beginners... where lets face it, it would have reached a much smaller audience.

[Ripper]

There is already a wiki. Could use an update.

[Wilbur]

lets implement the Infraction tag ;-)

[Boylston]

I blame that multi-boxing woman who has generated all the publicity with her Shaman videos and the Karazhan raiding... What's her name again? Oh yeah, Suvega's girlfriend! The influx of "gotta do that too" posters is certainly due to her.

All her fault, I say!

[Vyndree]

I blame that multi-boxing woman who has generated all the publicity with her Shaman videos and the Karazhan raiding... What's her name again? Oh yeah, Suvega's girlfriend! The influx of "gotta do that too" posters is certainly due to her.

All her fault, I say!

Hey, it's not my fault wowinsider didn't call me by my NAME. Therefore, since I wasn't named, it's now Suvega's fault.

And he doesn't play 4 shammies + 1 pally so it couldn't be his fault either. MWAHAHAHAHA!

[Stealthy]

Vydree & Fursphere - I think you guys need to calm down. :)

You have the benefit of prior knowledge - you have read and posted in the relevant threads before, and are on the forums every day -you know how to find them quickly with the search function. I typed in shaman + paladin in the search box and it came back with 316 results - how do you think that looks like to someone who isnt familiar with the forums? Now add in all the alterntative spellings - shammy, pally, etc...it starts to look a bit overwhelming.

Now I am not advocating spoon feeding every new poster on the forums, but the fact the same question is being asked over and over suggests that the information is not as easily found as it needs to be. I've started to put together a multiboxing shaman FAQ - hopefully this will be able to help with questions like this.

Cheers,

Stealthy

[Vyndree]

Vydree & Fursphere - I think you guys need to calm down. :)

Please don't drag me back into this thread for further bickering. I've made my point in previous posts.


You have the benefit of prior knowledge - you have read and posted in the relevant threads before, and are on the forums every day -you know how to find them quickly with the search function. I typed in shaman + paladin in the search box and it came back with 316 results - how do you think that looks like to someone who isnt familiar with the forums? Now add in all the alterntative spellings - shammy, pally, etc...it starts to look a bit overwhelming.

I mentioned in my post before that if he had mentioned that he had tried searching and was lost, I would happily help find links. Which I did. From the OP's continued messages it does seem that laziness and spoon feeding was what he had intended for his thread, so I don't feel upset about acting the way that I did. Vyndree intuition - score.


Now I am not advocating spoon feeding every new poster on the forums, but the fact the same question is being asked over and over suggests that the information is not as easily found as it needs to be. I've started to put together a multiboxing shaman FAQ - hopefully this will be able to help with questions like this.
Agreed. I think this thread started migrating from "how to we answer the OP's question" to "the OP doesn't like our answers and wants to be spoonfed - how do we prevent this in the future". If you'd like to contribute to that, we're all ears. :) Link us the FAQ when you get done, I'd love to see it. :D

I've also spoken with Ellay about getting a more visible place on the website menu for FAQs, since they are hidden in random places.

[Vyndree]

(insert Vyndree rants about people telling her the combination would never work months ago).

Be careful, people are starting to mistake my rants for angry trolling. ;)

[Stealthy]

Now I am not advocating spoon feeding every new poster on the forums, but the fact the same question is being asked over and over suggests that the information is not as easily found as it needs to be.

Are you sure about that "not easily found" comment?

If you look at the WoW population statistics, Shaman are the LEAST PLAYED CLASS. There isn't a lot of them out there when compared to other classes. Now, why would joe-new-guy roll into a multiboxing forum (the only multiboxing forum?), and "out of the blue" with "no prior knowledge" ask about rolling FOUR OR FIVE Shaman specifically? Seriously?

Not about the 8 other classses in WoW, or the thousands of other possible class setups, he/she asks specifically about Shaman (and a Pally, 1 out of 3 possible tanking classes!).

...and since he threw out the "paladin + shaman" suggestion, he already knew they worked well together, how in the hell else would he throw out that class makeup (insert Vyndree rants about people telling her the combination would never work months ago).
Well gee I dunno...maybe because 4 shaman videos are plastered all over the home page on www.dual-boxing.com ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/')? :rolleyes:

Or maybe he has played shaman's before but never a pally, so has a basic understanding of how the pally class works, but no hands-on experience.

Whatever the case, I don't think the harsh / sarcastic / smart-ass replies really help to do much other than alienate new boxers. The number of people willing to offer friendly advice is one of the things that makes this forum great IMO - lets keep it that way...



Cheers,

Stealthy

[Suvega]

How about this. I'll solve everyones problems with my post here ready?

If you aren't burnt out of posting positive usefull feedback to even the most lazy and useless of posters who care not to do any reading upon their own, but would like to ask for the 15th umpteenth time ZOMG 4 or 5 SHAMANS!?, just don't post.

If you are complaining about the people who ARE burnt out, and want to keep these forums helpfull and usefull to all of the people (even the most lazy of said people), post all the comments you want to help them.



Problem with forums is after answering a Question the same time, the same way, 60 times, and still having the question asked... you get tired of it. So, since you want the forums to maintain this holy light of multiboxing goodness, it's your job to give feedback.



~Suvega OUT.





PSEDUO POST LOCK. (queue for some forum moderator to lock the thread. PLEASE lol ;) )