So much hate...

[Vociferate]

Far more often than not, I get so much hate in BG's. I know what we do may be overwhelming for some. But it seems more and more of the player base seem content with spiting me as a boxer and losing the BG purposely instead of using 5 toons to an advantadge.

Does anyone else encounter this?

If I ever get WSG I tend to always leave, for their sake, but Battle for Gilneas, EoTS, and such where we can really shine I see people ignore flags, run around, farm HK's. Then we start losing because I can't take 2 flags, fight 7+ with constant rez'ing....

The hate starts in the beginning of the BG, and only gets worse as 1-2 dickheads ignore the BG objectives and go on their little angry tirade then blame me for the loss.


Do you guys even queue for the smaller Random's? Do you encounter this much hate?

I am not disheartened, if I lose I still get 30 Honor for the loss plus another 20-35 honor during the BG. I am just annoyed where the player base is heading.

[Kang]

There is hate in BG's regardless of whether or not a person boxes. Boxers just make for easy targets.

In our battlegroup, I found the level of maturity to be pretty low. The BG's need clear leaders who shout directions at the start of each match. Otherwise, it's as you say - a group of morons running around not contributing anything. You could take on that role and shout exactly what you are going to do and what everyone else should focus on.

Ignore the haters. People's BG chat is often inversely proportional to their contributions. If they are really pissing you off, just flag them afk x5 over and over again.

[Ualaa]

I basically queue one of three ways.

If the weekend BG is good, I queue for that.
Good for me, means a large player pool.
As I do a lot better is the bigger BG's than the smaller.
I sometimes queue for the BG weekend, even when it is one that sucks to box, as it seems to be the best honor per hour, when a team is gearing up.

Second choice is the Random.
That is more honor than any specific BG, if it isn't a BG Weekend.
The larger BG's where we have a better chance to win are ideal.
The smaller BG's which are much less boxing friendly, generally losing these quickly is the best honor (I never play to lose).

My third choice is to queue for a specific BG, usually Alterac Valley.
That is consistently the most fun for me.
I'll often queue for this, at least half the time, over the Weekend BG or Random BG.
Just because you have to enjoy the game, not just go for the best honor per hour.

[Apps]

There is hate in BG's regardless of whether or not a person boxes. Boxers just make for easy targets.

In our battlegroup, I found the level of maturity to be pretty low. The BG's need clear leaders who shout directions at the start of each match. Otherwise, it's as you say - a group of morons running around not contributing anything. You could take on that role and shout exactly what you are going to do and what everyone else should focus on.

Ignore the haters. People's BG chat is often inversely proportional to their contributions. If they are really pissing you off, just flag them afk x5 over and over again.


This + a ton.

I wonder... if boxing different kinds of toons makes any difference. When I run in with 4 priests, people love me. When I come in with 4 rogues... well, actually, no ones commented yet.

[Negativ1337]

Just switch to combat log and do your thang ;>

Thats what i do...

Based on my experience i've noticed that people like multiboxing A LOT or not at all (they can't stand it). No one is in the middle.

[ghonosyph]

I see this type of thread every few months and think that the general populace really doesn't have a fuC*(#$(King clue. I've gotten mixed reviews but generally you get three types of people:

1. they friggin love you, and cheer you on/defend you when flames go a' flamin
2. the friggin hate you and think you're the reason we're losing this AB, not because they're following you around watching you and not capping flags or healing you, but just watching you do your thing... they blame you for whats wrong and dont help at all
3. the ones who think you're cheating or hacking, so instead of helping out and trying to win, they follow you around the whole time, not helping, not healing, not capping flags, and constantly trying to goad you into chatting or flaming them so they can report you, or they spam afk reports :)

I look at it like this, make a macro that explains the strat you're going to follow, and a suggestion of what everyone else should be doing. This should help with the goal of "lets try to win" and puts you in the role of director. i have a click bar that runs a keybind that runs these macros... tho you could setup an action bar with this stuff, i like having it work for all my teams that i pvp with so the clickbar comes in handy. Also have on that clickbar stuff like /bg Cap the flag for me plz, /bg need help at... one button for each node in each bg. its a big clickbar but its off to the side and it has small buttons :) lol

Make a macro that says "check the scoreboard and get educated before you blame me for the loss, i'm doing my job... how about you do yours" <-- that usually shuts them up or gets them to /afk out lol. Once they see you're topping kills and getting the most honor they really cant argue that you're not being helpful...

With that being said, i like negativ's comment the best... sometimes its just best to shut off the chat window and go for broke and wtf pwn some nubs as best you know how and forget the flamers... if they want to waste their bg time chatting that you suck, more power to them, you're STILL getting more honor per game than they are :D lol

[Ughmahedhurtz]

With that being said, i like negativ's comment the best... sometimes its just best to shut off the chat window and go for broke and wtf pwn some nubs as best you know how and forget the flamers... if they want to waste their bg time chatting that you suck, more power to them, you're STILL getting more honor per game than they are :D lol

I'd go with this. People aren't THAT stupid. THey'll pull up the score panel at the end of the match and see:

[Boxer1] = OMG KILLS - BBQ DMG
[Boxer2] = OMG KILLS - BBQ DMG
[Boxer3] = OMG KILLS - BBQ DMG
[Boxer4] = OMG KILLS - BBQ DMG
[Boxer5] = OMG KILLS - BBQ DMG
...
[Whiner] = 2 assists; no caps; 8200 DMG

It will be obvious who was slacking.

[Ualaa]

In general, I don't really care what BG chat is saying about me.

They can praise me, because boxing is cool.
They can blame me for losing, or even blame me for causing their victory to be slower (yes, have had that).
And I don't really care what they say.

I really like the idea of the Clickbar.
With your general strategy, and what they can be doing for the win.
I have had macros for... need help at wherever.
But... cap the flag please, and similar is a great idea.

If I get flagged as AFK, because someone is an idiot.
I return the favor, with the macro posted by the Legion of Boom guys in another thread (it reports anyone not from your server as AFK; with all your guys doing it, everyone else in the BG is reported AFK).
And then just farm honor, to stay in combat.

/run for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers()-1 do local unit = "raid"..i local name,realm = UnitName(unit) if(realm) then ReportPlayerIsPVPAFK(name.."-"..realm) end end

[Firstcow]

Yes, I get a LOT more hate on alliance than when I was horde. I fucking hate the fucking alliance. It's filled with a bunch of fat angry nerds who bitch about anything and want to have everything easy. The only thing that keeps me from going back to horde is the instant queue times on alliance. If it wasn't that I would faction change in a hearbeat and camp alliance assholes all day long. Fucking losers...

Oh and yea, one time they hated me a lot because I made them win a WSG too fast. They said they wanted to camp the horde, not win fast. Fucking scumbags...

And don't get me started on AV... all I can say they are a bunch of pussies who want to SKIP GALV because horde defend him. Then they go into towers like 2-3 ppl and everyone else runs south and they don't defend the towers, they stare at eachother on the fucking mound in front of the boss room. And they lose every single tower, unless I get into one to defend it. Fucking alliance terribles. I fucking hate them back so hard.

[Toonarmy]

a pretty good rant ... [sic]

What was the middle thing?

toonarmy

[Vociferate]

I love that macro, that has mad my hatred for the haters dissipate. Haha, it's so much win. I don't care about getting WSG now.

They spam me, /spit, run their mouths, report me or my slaves AFK. Spam that macro, and hilarity ensues.

[Apps]

Wow census (http://www.dual-boxing.com/www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php)

So I recently had an epiphany . So I checked our servers avg age population, and as suspected, the ~ age of alliance player on my server is 13. Its difficult to strategize against individuals who have little clue of what they are doing, and play wrecklessly. So... recalling when I was more youthful, I loathed being taunted. My adolescent ego would send me through the roof. Perhaps people already do this. I just started it.

Using a high level hunter, I decided to test this theory in AB. Two sets of gear, ONE: strictly for PVP and damage. (Typical), SECOND: strictly survivability. Tons of stam, resil, enchanted for stam, trinkets to escape, etc. "sort of a tank huntard" (not typical, but im sure done before)

My strategy is to simply piss off the opponent, to the point to goad them into abandoning basic game strats, just to come after me.

one Macro "/y LOL"

I was astonished at how many BG games were won, due to at least 2 or more minutes of 10+ players chasing me.

The execution was even more simple than the strategy.
When an opponent was near death, click macro once.
When an opponent died, click macro once.
When an opponent was after me, (regardless if I was about to die), click macro once.
I.e. I made it personal

After only a QUICK few seconds, (next rez), those same players would run head long into a group of us, targeting me and going for me the entire time. When I lived... click macro once.

1.5-2 mins into a game. There I would mount up, and charge into enemy occupied nodes, spamming macro. THEY FOLLOWED!! One or two (usually one), of my teammates would capture the node. Meanwhile I would head to the next occupied node, and grab more.

SOMETIMES, one guy wouldnt follow...but that was rare.

Once I had 10+ guys after me, I would simply run around the big circle with the victims in tow. 3 easy nodes, and sometimes 4 or full cap of 5.

Moral is: we all know there is excessive rage in gaming, and especially when people feel personally attacked by their ego. Use it to your advantage. My sons may watch me play from time to time, and we all just roll laughing at how stupid people really are.

[Littleburst]

Wow census (http://www.dual-boxing.com/www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php)

So I recently had an epiphany . So I checked our servers avg age population, and as suspected, the ~ age of alliance player on my server is 13. Its difficult to strategize against individuals who have little clue of what they are doing, and play wrecklessly. So... recalling when I was more youthful, I loathed being taunted. My adolescent ego would send me through the roof. Perhaps people already do this. I just started it.

Using a high level hunter, I decided to test this theory in AB. Two sets of gear, ONE: strictly for PVP and damage. (Typical), SECOND: strictly survivability. Tons of stam, resil, enchanted for stam, trinkets to escape, etc. "sort of a tank huntard" (not typical, but im sure done before)

My strategy is to simply piss off the opponent, to the point to goad them into abandoning basic game strats, just to come after me.

one Macro "/y LOL"

I was astonished at how many BG games were won, due to at least 2 or more minutes of 10+ players chasing me.

The execution was even more simple than the strategy.
When an opponent was near death, click macro once.
When an opponent died, click macro once.
When an opponent was after me, (regardless if I was about to die), click macro once.
I.e. I made it personal

After only a QUICK few seconds, (next rez), those same players would run head long into a group of us, targeting me and going for me the entire time. When I lived... click macro once.

1.5-2 mins into a game. There I would mount up, and charge into enemy occupied nodes, spamming macro. THEY FOLLOWED!! One or two (usually one), of my teammates would capture the node. Meanwhile I would head to the next occupied node, and grab more.

SOMETIMES, one guy wouldnt follow...but that was rare.

Once I had 10+ guys after me, I would simply run around the big circle with the victims in tow. 3 easy nodes, and sometimes 4 or full cap of 5.

Moral is: we all know there is excessive rage in gaming, and especially when people feel personally attacked by their ego. Use it to your advantage. My sons may watch me play from time to time, and we all just roll laughing at how stupid people really are.

+1 for that.


There is always hate in BGs. I did a fair share of solo played BG´s since Cata and well, it really doesn´t matter if there´s a boxer or not.

To be completely honest, it really depends how well you do in a BG. If you are indeed just not really contributing that much It's understandable hate.(causes could be gear, less experience, testing software or whatever) If you're however contributing pretty well then I just taunt them and make sure the raid will laugh at the hater. Those games usually end with a big smile on my face, wether we won or lost.

If you start a game with the idea that your fellow players will actually think and try to contribute then you could end a game very pissed off. You can often conclude wether you´re going to win a game within the first 2 minutes. I will always try to get people to contribute, by suggesting tactic and be communicative. Imo Moral and communcation are much more important then skill or gear. Just do your thing, if they fuck up just farm the oposing faction or semi afk and browse a forum or so. Be carefull to not get reported though, especially on a slave.

[Lpwned]

Ha ha ha. I used to get pissed until Ualaa showed me that wonderful macro a while back. If the group hate started... I would simply say "GG guys, I will show you what it is like if I MAKE you lose" and the spamming starts. Man chat would go NUTS!

If there is an individual that is REALLY pissing you off, be careful not to use profane words toward him, use that macro, then report him for all the rude words he is saying toward you. It is a 3 day banable offence (I know from personal experience >.< lol)


The people that run up to you in a city, say "what a loser fag has no life" and promptly log off... All I would ever say is "Oh look, A WoW player who thinks he has the right to critique someone else's hobby... How cute!" :D

[Pycno]

Do you guys even queue for the smaller Random's? Do you encounter this much hate?

I am not disheartened, if I lose I still get 30 Honor for the loss plus another 20-35 honor during the BG. I am just annoyed where the player base is heading.

Adapt :)

What right does internet bullies have to harass you?

None..

What can you do about it?

1. Meet their demands and stop playing, only to find that they continue whining anyway (they never run out of things to go aggro on)
(Its not really your fault they have IRL issues causing them to go nuts over a game that they should have a good time playing)
2. You can endure their unrespectful behaviour
3. You can turn the tables around and have LOADS of fun on their expense.


This is making me want to reopen my accounts, I miss (politely so I cant be banned!) harassing the harassers and standing up for the newbies in battlegrounds. The only kind of player I dislike is the bullies that will harass your gf/wife if she rolls on an item she dont need or if she drops the flag... I have nothing against slackers, newbies etc as they are playing the game their way without trying to ruin the experience for everyone else.

I in particular loved the small battlegrounds as people would blame me for their loss and contribute to my entertainment. There is nothing like having a few angry german kids going crazy because they lose, and pretty much all players lose 50% of their games meaning there is never a shortage of people to poke when they are about to burst out in tears.


No I aint perfect but I never start harassing anyone, but Ill join whenever someone starts up that game of ball :D
I seriously laugh out aload over what some people can say and how serious they take the game, its just priceless!

So yeah, take advantage of the haters, they dont deserve your best behaviour OR your friendship anyway.

[Apps]

Love how well thought out Pycno's post is.

This weekend. Im my huntard. I used my Charlie Sheen Tactic, and was "Winning...Duh". Then used the ole "/y LOL" as I made a pain train following me around EotS. So predictable.

I actually managed to piss off a guy on another server, so much that he needed to create a toon, just to chat at me and cuss me out.

I relished in this. "What you little b----, you cant take me on 1v1!?!? You suck, Eat my s---...you are a baddie. Im good, you're not! Blah blah blah HATE HATE HATE"

To which I replied.
"Mr. Internet Big Talker, Thank you for the screenshot you have just provided me, and my friends, for what will be several minutes of enjoyment. Clearly, your toon was better geared than mine. Grats, to playing this game more. There is a fine line between stupidly charging into a battle you cant win, and being totally insane. Example: charging headstrong into a conversation with one of more experience and wit, definitely out-gunned. Please feel free to rant and create as many toons as you see fit to accomplish and fulfill your venting... my ignore button will work for them all. :)"

Its a two part macro.

I have no idea which opponent this was, he didnt announce himself. Maybe he was shy.

http://spaghettitesting.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/internetdickwadsmall.jpg?w=480&h=167

[Pycno]

Love how well thought out Pycno's post is.

To which I replied.
"Mr. Internet Big Talker, Thank you for the screenshot you have just provided me, and my friends, for what will be several minutes of enjoyment. Clearly, your toon was better geared than mine. Grats, to playing this game more. There is a fine line between stupidly charging into a battle you cant win, and being totally insane. Example: charging headstrong into a conversation with one of more experience and wit, definitely out-gunned. Please feel free to rant and create as many toons as you see fit to accomplish and fulfill your venting... my ignore button will work for them all. :)"

Its a two part macro.

I have no idea which opponent this was, he didnt announce himself. Maybe he was shy.


Hahaha I love that! :D

I sometimes take the edge out by just stating the obvious..
"%(/#)%/ YOU NO SKILL NOOB LOLLOL!"
"You are right! Im very bad at computer games, you are very good!"
"I PWN YOU 1V1 NAB!"
"Yes I cant win anything 1v1"
"I OWN YOU MULTIBOTNOOB!"
"Yes and now all the girls will want you because you are better than me at a game :("
"Girls only date high rated players yes" etc.

Many of these complainers are decent in the game and they tend to spend much time in it also resulting in top notch gear. However they are very rarely among the best players, in order to compete with the best you need to adapt and learn instead of complain and anger reduces skill somewhat also imo.


Actually sometimes I do get slightly provoked and I feel like "Wait thats not right!" very briefly, that only happens when people say Im good xD But I dont argue about it, if someone thinks 1500ish rating is skilled then so be it :P