Zero(?) City Lag - 5 Clients One PC - Your Specs? [Archive]

dancook

02-04-2011, 08:04 AM

I have a Q6600, 4gb Ram and once upon a time this was fine! But now things have changed and hanging around the AH in Stormwind can cause some laggy issues.

Could I get an idea of people's specs and how much lag they get around City AH? Just so i know what to expect from various upgrades.

Cheers, Dan

Vociferate

02-04-2011, 08:21 AM

That's really bordering on "Not optimal" these days.

The engine for WoW hasn't had much change, but with a Q6600 and the amount of people that are running around the cities, it's a lot to process.

What are your in game settings?

In SW, I have a fair bit of lag, and some FPS drop. Albeit, my internet is terrible.

My system is:
AMD 965 BE OC'ed to 3.85Ghz
ATI 5870 GPU
8GB RAM

And I sometimes get choppy in the city.

dancook

02-04-2011, 08:27 AM

I usually have high/ultra on main and poor/fair on the slaves. This has been fine for instances and outside of cities.

It doesn't make a huge difference unless i try and run all on high or something :)

alcattle

02-04-2011, 10:14 AM

had the same specs, and was starting to see some lag. New GFX were some but the textures were a lot of it. New CPU and 8 + gigs are the new basic boxing machine.

dancook

02-04-2011, 10:17 AM

had the same specs, and was starting to see some lag. New GFX were some but the textures were a lot of it. New CPU and 8 + gigs are the new basic boxing machine.

I have the new graphics card, so I guess i'm looking at an i7 950 with 12gb ram? and I should be smooth as a baby's bottom?

It's also raiding, where it matters, than I'm getting sluggish framerates.

I already have SSD.

dancook

02-04-2011, 01:03 PM

Think more like the spec attached after some research

MiRai

02-04-2011, 02:30 PM

Think more like the spec attached after some research
Uhhh...

Besides the fact that P67 boards just got recalled because of a defect [there's a thread about it in this same forum], the 1155
chipset does not use triple channel RAM. I'm also curious as to why you are going to spend $70+ on a CPU cooler when that
money probably could have gone towards a nice 570 GTX? :)

dancook

02-04-2011, 02:34 PM

Uhhh...

Besides the fact that P67 boards just got recalled because of a defect [there's a thread about it in this same forum], the 1155
chipset does not use triple channel RAM. I'm also curious as to why you are going to spend $70+ on a CPU cooler when that
money probably could have gone towards a nice 570 GTX? :)

I was going to overclock - and thought a decent cooler would be needed. Also i hadn't planned on buying any more hardware, I only just changed my mind :)

I didn't realise about the triple channel only with i7 950 etc then?

Also I see the recall didn't affect all motherboards, and some sources suggested it's no reason to put you off buying it - but then i suppose some might say that, depending on what you had to gain :)

Kicksome

02-04-2011, 03:08 PM

I have a i7 - 920 CPU @ 2.7 MHZ
12 gigs ram
580 GTX Video card
256 gig SSD Corsair drive

I get 60 fps in stormwind. When I had a HD5870 video card, I was getting like 20 FPS in stormwind.

MiRai

02-04-2011, 03:09 PM

I was going to overclock - and thought a decent cooler would be needed. Also i hadn't planned on buying any more hardware, I only just changed my mind :)

I didn't realise about the triple channel only with i7 950 etc then?

Also I see the recall didn't affect all motherboards, and some sources suggested it's no reason to put you off buying it - but then i suppose some might say that, depending on what you had to gain :)
You're right, if I really wanted to buy a new system now I wouldn't let that recall affect me. It would also really suck if it
somehow affected me later down the road. Also, triple channel RAM is currently only used on 1366 chipsets.

dancook

02-04-2011, 05:16 PM

I've specced up this instead

MiRai

02-04-2011, 05:52 PM

Looks good. People with old i7's are reporting 8-9GB of RAM usage and you might find yourself getting capped if you like
higher quality video settings. If you can afford it, I would suggest 4 x 4GB for a total of 16GB.

dancook

02-04-2011, 06:08 PM

Ualaa

02-04-2011, 06:09 PM

I notice a FPS drop in Stormwind, near both of the auction house/banks.

Flying above the city, with 310% flyers I have not yet lost follow.
But the following toons drop enough behind that Grid shows them as out of range.

I'm running:
i7, 920 (stock)
12GB DDR3, 1600mhz
Patriot Torq SSD
GTX 275 Video

Slaves run on rather low settings, medium view distance.
Master runs on slightly higher video settings and maximum view distance.

MiRai

02-04-2011, 08:49 PM

I have :) quantity = 2

cheers
Oh haha, looked at it too quick. :)

Bollwerk

02-05-2011, 03:12 AM

FWIW, I just upgraded my PC and it made a HUGE difference in Stormwind.

No change - 30" monitor, 8GB RAM

Old PC:
Q6600 (stock speed)
Nvidia GTX 280

New PC:
i5-2500K (stock speed, but may OC after burn in period)
Nvidia GTX 570

On the old PC, I had ALL toons on lowest graphics settings, but with the lead toon on "good" draw distance. With these settings, I would stutter flying over crowded parts of SW and some toons would break follow.

On the new PC, I haven't yet seen how far I can crank up the settings, but so far I have set the draw distance to "ultra" on all 5 and I had ZERO stutter flying over SW now. Framerates stay capped (60 lead, 15 slaves) and task manager shows all cores at around 50-60% utilization. (Old PC had all 4 cores pegged at 100% all the time with 5 toons, regardless of location)

dancook

02-05-2011, 08:56 AM

thanks for the info, i'll look forward to the upgrade!

d0z3rr

02-07-2011, 04:40 PM

I have the new graphics card, so I guess i'm looking at an i7 950 with 12gb ram? and I should be smooth as a baby's bottom?

It's also raiding, where it matters, than I'm getting sluggish framerates.

I already have SSD.

Yes and yes. There seriously needs to be a sticky now - All people with Q6600s should consider an i7.

BTW, SSD will not increase your frame rates. They only decrease loading times. worthless because loading times in WoW are nil (even in cities), a regular 7200 HD suffices.

dancook

02-07-2011, 05:01 PM

Yes and yes. There seriously needs to be a sticky now - All people with Q6600s should consider an i7.

BTW, SSD will not increase your frame rates. They only decrease loading times. worthless because loading times in WoW are nil (even in cities), a regular 7200 HD suffices.

I didn't buy an SSD for WOW :) and SSD is great for many more things.

thefunk

02-07-2011, 05:51 PM

Can I ask rezident experts for actual difference between I5 and I7? Is the difference really like broadband Vs dialup or more like 1.000000001 > 1?

MiRai

02-07-2011, 06:05 PM

Can I ask rezident experts for actual difference between I5 and I7? Is the difference really like broadband Vs dialup or more like 1.000000001 > 1?
You may have to be a little more specific since there are multiple versions of i5 and i7, even more now that Sandy Bridge has
been released. I'm sure Intel had no idea they would confuse people who don't constantly keep up with the technology world.

Probably best to start a new thread too as it might get lost in here. :)

Noids

02-08-2011, 10:20 AM

I'm running an i920 with 12GB Ram Raid 0 Intel SSDs and a GTX 580.

I recently had a stick of RAM die which reduced me to 8GB. I have windows 7 64. I have always disabled paging with this level of RAM and never had an issue with 5 clients, normally sitting around 8GB. I had forgotten about the disabled pagefile but after about an hour of play yesterday I received an unpleasant reminder as 4 out of 5 clients exploded and the 5th stalled.

I ordered some more RAM but ir was going to take a few days to arrive so I enabled the pagefile again. Even with the SSDs when I hit the wall a couple of hours later again I found some major lag again.

Moral of the story is buy plenty of RAM. I can't really contemplate how low your graphics settings and resolution must be to get 5 clients playable with only 4GB. This alone would probably be enough of an upgrade to solve a lot of your issues I reckon.

dancook

02-08-2011, 11:20 AM

Bollwerk

02-08-2011, 03:07 PM

As for the i5 vs i7 ...
If you are comparing the 2500k to the 2600k, they are almost identical in gaming benchmarks. AFAIK, the biggest difference between i5 and i7 is Hyperthreading, which has been repeatedly shown to make no difference in gaming, or even make it worse.
IMHO, the 2600k is not worth the extra $100 if all you do is play games.

P.S. Yes, I realize that the 2600K also has slightly more cache and slightly higher stock clock speed.

Ualaa

02-08-2011, 05:21 PM

My games run marginally better with all four physical cores assigned to each of my five warcraft clients, but none of the logical cores assigned to any of the games. That is, better than having all four physical and all four logical cores assigned to all games. The difference wasn't much, but consistently a few FPS.

Multibocks

02-10-2011, 04:39 PM

I have a i7 - 920 CPU @ 2.7 MHZ
12 gigs ram
580 GTX Video card
256 gig SSD Corsair drive

I get 60 fps in stormwind. When I had a HD5870 video card, I was getting like 20 FPS in stormwind.

So that's my problem. I'm sporting 2 4870x2 and lately the frame loss has been pissing me off. I have a 920 @ 3.6 Ghz and 12 GB RAM. I was considering upgrading the whole rig. I don't like to spend money on piece meal upgrades. I usually wait for a new chipset and gpu worth upgrading to.... Maybe I should try a new GPU

Edit: I'm pretty new to changing gpus from ATI to nVidia. Is it as simple as install new card and driver or is it more complicated than that? I'm looking to do SLI 580s

pinotnoir

02-10-2011, 05:35 PM

So that's my problem. I'm sporting 2 4870x2 and lately the frame loss has been pissing me off. I have a 920 @ 3.6 Ghz and 12 GB RAM. I was considering upgrading the whole rig. I don't like to spend money on piece meal upgrades. I usually wait for a new chipset and gpu worth upgrading to.... Maybe I should try a new GPU

Edit: I'm pretty new to changing gpus from ATI to nVidia. Is it as simple as install new card and driver or is it more complicated than that? I'm looking to do SLI 580s

I have a 4850x2 ati and I get lag in high traffic areas with the same processor and ram you have. Our problem is the gpu. I think I will update to a new 6000 series ati. Call me crazy but I like ATI better than nvidia. Every nvidia card I have had in the past had some issues. Plus I think the colors look better with ati.

Multibocks

02-10-2011, 06:33 PM

I've read some horror stories about driver issues with ATI stuff on new cards so I'm not real keen to explore that.

Jeremiah

02-10-2011, 09:56 PM

I have a 27 inch iMac with 2.8 ghz i5 and 12 GB DDR3. I get lag on the initial load but after that cities run fine. I have my main on medium settings and poor/fair on my boxes

ebony

02-10-2011, 10:25 PM

System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: P43-ES3G
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.50GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.0GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 4094MB RAM
Page File: 2304MB used, 5882MB available

Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2

is my system all my clones and main (5 wows) run on low settings and i can not even get in org (ok am on a full server now) without my pc dieing on me i used to beable to use fraps and now i find it hard to even play in AV i know its the ram letting me down as am running at 98% 80% of the time and i can see its pageing on the HDD, now am looking for a update as well. but am not getting the DDR2 ram i got now it costs more then 8gb ddr3 and i feel am going to need more the 8gb anyway i run about 30fps on all windows.

am not sure if to go down the I5 road or the amdx6 road av allways love and used AMD (cheepo) and i know i can get a amd faster then the i5/i7 road.

Umbaalo

02-11-2011, 01:50 AM

So that's my problem. I'm sporting 2 4870x2 and lately the frame loss has been pissing me off. I have a 920 @ 3.6 Ghz and 12 GB RAM. I was considering upgrading the whole rig. I don't like to spend money on piece meal upgrades. I usually wait for a new chipset and gpu worth upgrading to.... Maybe I should try a new GPU

Edit: I'm pretty new to changing gpus from ATI to nVidia. Is it as simple as install new card and driver or is it more complicated than that? I'm looking to do SLI 580s

Hope you are going to be running other games instead of just WoW if you are serious about setting up SLI. WoW doesn't benefit from SLi, actually there is a decrease in performance. This is also true with some other games as well. Don't remember for certain where I read this information, but more than likely it was from anandtech.com

Don't get me wrong, its amazing for games that gain from having it...but a brutal waste of money if just using for WoW (especially the gtx 580 cards!).

PS: I've had issues in the past with ATI drivers, I'm putting my faith into nvidia this time around. Best of luck with whichever route you decide to take!

katsurahama

02-11-2011, 03:39 AM

Having just upgraded from 4gb of ram to 8gb, i can tell you that alone will make a huge difference. Four is not enough anymore for five instances of wow.

Ualaa

02-11-2011, 03:42 AM

There was a thread which linked tests of Intel vs AMD specifically for Cataclysm.
The Intel processors were far superior, it wasn't even close.
Even relatively lower end Intel processors had better benchmarks than the top AMD processors.

Edit: http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=33360

dancook

02-11-2011, 07:38 AM

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Glenni

02-11-2011, 08:00 AM

Good shipped! Exciting :D

I thought the Sandy Bridges were pulled back?

dancook

02-11-2011, 08:16 AM

I thought the Sandy Bridges were pulled back?

up to 5% boards affected, as I want something now.. I'm not going to buy a first generation i7 just because of it.

Glenni

02-11-2011, 08:39 AM

Aha. Sounds sweet. Lets just hope nothing comes shipped wrong.

dancook

02-11-2011, 08:55 AM

Aha. Sounds sweet. Lets just hope nothing comes shipped wrong.

Don't be so determined to shoot me down :p

Sam DeathWalker

02-13-2011, 06:17 PM

To correct a previous statement.

If your frame rates are limited by texture lag a SSD will help. Stand in org somewhere where a lot of new characters won't be coming in and out of visual range and spin, this will stress your gpu but not the drive.

If you get high frame rates spinning but then get low frame rates when you run through org (with new characters coming in and out of range) you need an SSD.

If you get low frame rates spinning you need a better gpu.

dancook

02-14-2011, 08:24 PM

running all copies of wow @ 1920x1200 for fast switching in ultra! :) woo

Sam DeathWalker

02-16-2011, 06:12 PM

Whats your drives and video card?

You are tiled with isboxer (5 clients) running at 1920X1200 and get zero lag in cities?

Multibocks

02-17-2011, 12:38 AM

Ya whats your video card?

dancook

02-17-2011, 05:31 AM

I'm using a GTX 480 and a Radeon HD 4970. Latest drivers as of were available Saturday just gone.

Due to framerate in the BG, Ultra @1920x1200 all round, I put the settings down to good,good,good,good + ultra on my main - same res.

I can stand outside the AH and spin round so smoothly.. it's so much better than it was before.

Sam DeathWalker

02-18-2011, 03:42 AM

dancook

02-18-2011, 05:11 AM

So you have two monitors with one video card going to the main and the other video card going to a tiled set of 4?

Which card is the main on while spinning? Although its smooth are you at 60fps or 30fps?

Whats the SSD?

80gb Intel X-25M SSD

Two monitors, 24inch main and 22inch secondary. The GTX480 is hooked up to the main, the secondary has four tiled and is running on the HD4870.

I thought it might be better to run the secondary with the GTX480 - but as soon as I swapped the monitors around it ran sluggish. I didn't investigate I just switched back :)

I'll have to come back to you about FPS.

I was mining last night, main on 60 fps whilst the the slaves were stood in stormwind.

Sam DeathWalker

02-18-2011, 05:58 PM

Ahh 1.5G on the 480 vs. 1G on the 4870 (plus the 480 is better anyways) so that would explain the loss when swaped out.

And the 480 is only running a single client, with 1.5G no wonder its no lag.

I need to look up sandybridge more and see if the same thing can be gotten with the X58 / i7 boards.

Looks like for people with one computer running two video cards in a 1main 4tiled is the way to go.

Thanx lots of good infos there dancook.

Well I get 30fps spinning after things stabilize with a single client 1920 X 1200 on ultra in front of the org AH with a 1G 460; so you should get 60fps with your better system (mine is 3.2G Athlon X2 / nvidia590mb). I also have an amazing 24ms ping.

Ualaa

02-18-2011, 06:39 PM

If you physically switched which video card each monitor was plugged into, that would remove the sluggishness from swapping main on one card and four alts on the other.
Of course it would then be sluggish the way you're running it now.

Vista/Win7 loses performance when you render on a monitor that is plugged into a different video card, but if they're both plugged into the same card then you can swap fine.