Accounts shelved. Keep me updated!

[Lpwned]

I leveled my multiboxing shamans for the SOLE purpose of arena. I have been running 5s with a 2300 rated priest, and I'm sitting on 4K resilience.

Let me know if you guys think I'm just way off mark here. Or maybe I just flat out suck. Maybe I'm just cranky because its late at night :P

I don't foresee a bright future for Multiboxing shamans (Assuming they buff us at all), and I'm not leveling those dam DKs all the bloody way up to 85. With class homogenization everyone in the game has every ability they need to face roll casters, even groups of casters, not to mention a ridiculous defensive cool down (Apart from Ele of course :P)

My accounts have been canceled. I will remain active on the threads to see if Bliz has any comeback to the pitiful pile of junk they call Elemental. Let me know if we become viable again, and ill reactivate my accounts.

Ill bump this thread in a few weeks to see how things are progressing.

[valkry]

You didn't include your progress so I can't tell you if you suck or not lol. Also, your 2300 priest, does he/she have much xp rolling with a boxer?

Apart from that, I can understand why you would want to quit, especially as it seems arena is your nieche. Hopefully even if you finish with wow you will stay a part of this community. Good luck with the shammy buffs matey.

[jinkobi]

I'd like to offer some encouraging words but all I can say is- Join the club! lol

After 6 years and 5 accounts I called it quits a few months ago. What I felt would probably just be a hiatus is turning into not wanting to go back. Once you start playing other video games and enjoying every moment of them. Everything being new. You start to think why do I blow 80$ a month on such a grind.

Having an extra 80 bucks per month for other video games has been quite nice. It really starts to add up. Now with playing DC Universe and several other games I've missed out over time. Really seems all my WOW desire is falling by the wayside.

You should ask yourself- am I having fun anymore? If the answer is no. Then you should ask- why am I paying for this? If you are good or bad is very subjective and shouldn't be your determining factor. How much fun you are having should.

[SaraiE]

Haha,
I was leveling my second team yesterday, five demo locks, and after a few quests, I asked myself, what the hell are you doing?
It is a grind, I abhor the phasings, break the follow, and the linear quest lines.

I went to account management and unsubscribed. Took my wife and my three years old out and had fun.
My wife was happy!

If anyone have details about multiboxing being allowed in the new game RIFT, please post. That game looks promising.

Multiboxing is fun, I enjoyed it but Cata sucks.

I will probably single box RIFT, and if they allow MB, then I will do five boxing too, I am thinking of the Defiants fraction, since i am currently alliance in WoW.

SaraiE

[thefunk]

Totally agree - I stopped having fun when I got to stonetalon 2 weeks ago on a new team and realised there were NO quests at level. None whatsoever. Some stupid chain to get there. What's most disappointing is that some wotlk quests were awesome. But a whole expansion of them? No thank you.

Ok that sounds overly negative - I loved wow but you can have too much of a good thing. Time for something new.

[Drizhal]

Questing isn't even the worst of it in my opinion.

I enjoyed the first time up through to 85 (Excluding Uldum) however it gets tedious just like leveling any alt. But I am a very casual player, I work rotating long shifts and a lot of times I have to go in for extra shifts due to constantly being short handed. Now with this being said, sometimes I may have 5 hours to dedicate to playing but that doesn't mean I want to sit in the majority of dungeons upward to 2-3 hours. (Another reason I liked boxing, it allowed me to sit in a dungeon as long as I wanted not in the que for the dungeon as long as I wanted.)

Average it would take about 90ish hours to get all the justice point gear.To me this is very very tedious, I dislike grinding dungeons repetatively for "maybe" a drop. But worse is grinding for astronomically priced "minor" upgrades. Not to mention heroic gear is 346 and regular is 333 ....that's fine I guess? Justice gear is 346 and they took away the purple at the last boss for heroics?

Perhaps I am getting burnt out of the game but despite it's flaws I did like the majority of WotLK, especially the shorter dungeons.

I feel they took all the major aspects of the game in BC that "hardcore" players liked, spliced them around shook them up stuck em in their mouth chewed on em awhile and spit it out and said "TA! DA! Here's Cataclysm end game!" Currently the tedious wipe fest of heroics is sickening, PuGs are awful. Guild runs are slightly better but I already have a job that I can be unhappy at if I choose, why would I want to carry that over into my free time?

Honestly excited about Star Wars MMO that should be out later this year (not a fanboi just looks good) and even may try DCUO it also looks decent. To me Cataclysm feels like the beginning of the end of my WoW experience but who knows things change.

[leroyreborn]

yupe closed my 5 accounts today.. just not fun anymore

[Mickthathick]

If you read the forums there have been a lot of posts like this, and based on my feelings towards WoW I think it's been caused by the following:

General burnout- WoW is still pretty much the same old timesink it was before Cata dropped.

Linear quest progression in ALL zones- WoW questing now involves going from hub to hub collecting a kill quest or 2 and a collection quest or 2 again and again and again. I like a lot of the final quests in a zone though, however as they are easy to solo at level they really don't feel epic enough.

The grind- I have to grind faction rep for enchants and gear again :(

Professions: I have to grind professions again, and also I feel that there were many elements in professions that were not implemented well such as Chaos orbs being BoP, over the top mat requirements for items such as flasks and truegold, no cool fun stuff from fishing daily (I guess all the fun stuff went into Archaeology)

Archaeology: Seriously, why do people do this? A guildie spent 5 days of his annual leave grinding sites in Kalmidor to get some crappy healing trinket- why?

Heroics are hard- badge gear is harder to get and is not purple, dps have to pay attention and tanking/healing with moron pugs is frustrating. Also the time they take as mentioned above, I'm always happy if I get Tol'var or ToTw for my daily random.

Lack of interaction with the other faction- I miss being in a city that contained both factions

I'm pretty much at the stage now that all I want to do on my main is raid, and all I want to do on my alt is tank/mine as I level from 63.

[Velassra]

Currently I'm single boxing Cataclysm stuff. Not at all happy witht he difficulty level of the instances. I won't even bother to PuG them, guild run or not at all. I don't think I'll be able to multibox them at all; I'm just not that skilled at it. I still run around with a team on WoTLK accounts, but that'll end soon enough on a PVP server I think. Right now, mainly spending my time PvPing with Alliance (20-30 minute queue times as Horde are retarded.) but I hate Alliance.

Someone mention Rift, looked like a decent game. Videos looked interesting.

[Lpwned]

Wow! I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting this response. It seems that I am not an outlier.

Cat was a waste of money. Apart from it bring VERY clear that WoW has been put into a "bleed these suckers for every penny we can get" mode, It tried to bring PvP to what it was back in BC. This is all good (I loved BC) but ultimately doesn't work with the disgusting level of class homogenization.

There is no way to fix the game at this point other than to start taking abilities away from people. Let's take a look at how much homogenization we have... this is just what I can think up off the top of my head. A lot of it relates all the way back to BC, so if you don't know what I'm talking about, likely its a BC ability / talent.

Ability copied and changed -> Class
_________________________________
Blink -> Warlocks, warriors
Sprint/dash -> lol everyone
Evasion -> Hunters
Bloodlust -> Mages, hunters
Charge -> druids
Polymorph -> Shamans
Blizzard -> everyone
Stuns -> everyone
Entangling Roots -> Shamans
Frost Trap -> Mages, Deathknights
Concussive shot (BC version) -> Mages
Disarm -> Spriest, rogues... LOL Love the Spriest one.
Blessing of Freedom -> DKs, hunters
Improved Counter spell -> DK strangulate
HoTs -> Shaman
Soul Link -> Hunters
Dispel ->Everyone
Insane (I can't be killed) buttons:
Dispersion, Disengage, Ice Block, Survival Instincts, Shield Wall, Bubble, evasion (Lol at evasion changes), Knockbacks, AoE stuns, fears, sheeps', silences.
I could go on and on...
_________________________________


I hated Wrath for the very reason my signature states. It wasn't a thinking game, it was who ever could mash more buttons, had more Rets / DKs, and could burst a target down first.

It seems that Cat is the same thing... But it's now who ever can mash more CC macros.

[Drizhal]

Wow! I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting this response. It seems that I am not an outlier.

Cat was a waste of money. Apart from it bring VERY clear that WoW has been put into a "bleed these suckers for every penny we can get" mode, It tried to bring PvP to what it was back in BC. This is all good (I loved BC) but ultimately doesn't work with the disgusting level of class homogenization.

There is no way to fix the game at this point other than to start taking abilities away from people. Let's take a look at how much homogenization we have... this is just what I can think up off the top of my head. A lot of it relates all the way back to BC, so if you don't know what I'm talking about, likely its a BC ability / talent.

Ability copied and changed -> Class
_________________________________
Blink -> Warlocks, warriors
Sprint/dash -> lol everyone
Evasion -> Hunters
Bloodlust -> Mages, hunters
Charge -> druids
Polymorph -> Shamans
Blizzard -> everyone
Stuns -> everyone
Entangling Roots -> Shamans
Frost Trap -> Mages, Deathknights
Concussive shot (BC version) -> Mages
Disarm -> Spriest, rogues... LOL Love the Spriest one.
Blessing of Freedom -> DKs, hunters
Improved Counter spell -> DK strangulate
HoTs -> Shaman
Soul Link -> Hunters
Dispel ->Everyone
Insane (I can't be killed) buttons:
Dispersion, Disengage, Ice Block, Survival Instincts, Shield Wall, Bubble, evasion (Lol at evasion changes), Knockbacks, AoE stuns, fears, sheeps', silences.
I could go on and on...
_________________________________


I hated Wrath for the very reason my signature states. It wasn't a thinking game, it was who ever could mash more buttons, had more Rets / DKs, and could burst a target down first.

It seems that Cat is the same thing... But it's now who ever can mash more CC macros.

As a response to the pvp concerns they decided feral druids being able to break roots after 6 years should go away.
I liked being feral even if it meant I wasn't the best. Cataclysm is a mess, more so than I remember the other xpac's being honestly. Nostalgia is funny, I liked BC a lot but I remember being frustrated a lot but never this much.
Glad, so to speak, to see I am not the only one who has problems with Cataclysm. Was starting to think I just simply sucked really really bad.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I'm not quite to the point of quitting but suffice it to say I've been replaying old RTS games more than I've been playing WoW this month.

[Longshot17]

The way they've changed questing is unfortunate. I've leveled up (via traditional questing) 4-5 characters and still don't think I saw more then 75% of all the quests, so it was fun to look for quests I hadn't done before. Now this linear, one path through the quest chains, is fairly uncreative, low budget.

BC was such a good expansion/improvement game enhancement... Wotlk seemed to be the best lore-wise, but Cata is sort of cut and paste, re-do existing zones... feels like a gear reset, not sure maybe the story/lore will unfold as content is added.

Heroics are not fun at all... I looked forward to tackling (multiboxing wise) each new instance as I progressed in BC and WoTLK, but now I dread going into them... I've just done VP and SFK over and over... SFK takes forever to run (at least for me).

I've actually gone back to singleboxing a bunch (only reason I came back was because multiboxing was so fun) so not sure how much longer I'll last. Going to make a serious effort to raid in this expansion... I always felt doing anything with 25 (or 40 in vanilla) people was a recipe for keyboard to forehead smashing... nothing burned me out more then a 3-5 hour instance run with 25 people you really didnt know that well expressing opinions, stories about themselves, or jokes you've heard 9000 times over vent.

I only played Wotlk from May/10 to Cata go live, but it's the longest stretch of WoW I played, where I was 100% hooked during the whole time...was fun/challenging/rewarding.

Only been roughly a month into Cata, so really gonna try to persist (telling yourself to persist, with a video game is already a sign that maybe it's not that fun).

[Negativ1337]

I hope that in the future Blizzard will open realms for old expension. Level 60, 70 or 80 max level cap so if you choose a WotLK realm, your just in the last patch that has been made for that expension. I don't think cata is bad, but arena is the thing i enjoy the most on my realm. I have deserted my shamans, now going to level DKs. I'm leveling them now i got 4 DK's on level 70, and don't really mind leveling them. Just not looking forward to 70-78 since i hate wotlk leveling.

Kind regards,

Negativ1337

[Leovindica]

I haven't been playing all that much during WOTLK and restarted boxing 5 just before Cata, never did any instance boxing and still in the process of lvling teams (3x 5 @60 now) but I still enjoy it. true there's a lot of gathering quests but tedious as they are, they give xp;-) Got 2 chars to 85 boxing quests and will now set of to lvl 1 more team (prob dk's) and after that I will start to lvl them all to 85 too.
I am looking forward to instancing with them and I read alot here about tactics and all, only thing I'm abit worried about is how to CC, gonna need to really get that right.

So all in all still enjoying it all:)

[HPAVC]

So all in all still enjoying it all:)

Ditto here

[Ualaa]

My favorite class is Feral Druids, that was my first toon and I've maxed her level every expansion.

I saw Ellay's videos for quad shammies, and that got me into boxing.
Was running two accounts, on two PC's with no software/hardware before that.
Kind of jumped on the band wagon with shammies, but did a bunch of stuff with RAF.

They've announced two rather crappy changes for Ferals.
The Berserk would be a pain, but aside from the current stacked Tremors every boxing comp has that same issue with fears.
The Shifting, not sure I would want to play with that change.
They did say, there might be a DPS increase to compensate; although bleeds are supposed to be nerfed in that same patch, so that is inconsistent.
I'd guess the Shift nerf, is purely to enrage the community, so Blizzard can revoke it and be seen as nice; meanwhile the Berserk will go through as intended.
If that is Blizzard's actual approach, it shows an incredible lack of respect for the player base, but they've done exactly that scenario three or four times to various classes, so I would guess that is the case.

In any case, I've canceled all five of my accounts.
They run out in mid march, as they were on six months recurring.

So, if the Feral nerfs leave the class as fun.
Or if the nerfs don't go through (they're on test, meaning being tested or looked at)...
Then I would naturally renew.
But if they leave the class feeling lackluster...
Then what is the point of playing something else, that will be nerfed (or could be at any point) into the ground too?

See how it goes.

[Tyval]

Wow, lots of forum names I'm use to getting tips/info from pondering retirement (at least temporary). Can't fathom a forum without Ualaa giving all the great advice and help. :(

Folks bring up good points. If it isn't fun, why pay to do it?

I don't like much about this expansion,

HATE the linear quest setup, Some of the phasing is ok, one the one hand nice to see that all my work made an area safe, but down side is well no point ever going there again as nothing to hunt...
not happy about some of the classes changes, though I don't PvP much if at all so not impacted at least in that respect.

Not a big fan of the changes to dungeon difficulty. Partly I'm sure because of my skill level as a boxer. I go back and forth between trying to meet the challenge and wanting to bag it and move on.

Pondering what I do like about the expansion, some of the quests were fun, though as a boxer all the cuta-aways were kind of annoying. Like some of the new proc based mechanics, but am confused by what the devs really achieved. The talent changes were because folks were having to take mandatory talents, but things seem even more forced and boiler plate now than before. most talent points are no brainer, fill up the tree except the PvP ones. Then add the remaining to the other trees as fits the spec.

Pondering playing Rift, which means I ask the question even more now, If I'm not having fun, and I'll be switching games in a month why play at all.

Really hope that Rift allows boxing as we have come to know and love with WoW, but I can always go back to 2 boxing, running on two computers and two keyboards, though not sure if I could stand that any more, ISBoxer and Jamba has forever changed me I think...

[Grondir]

Cancelled all 5 of my accounts too. Really enjoyed Wrath at the end, enjoyed the challenge of boxing and quite enjoyed levelling all the alts.

Levelled 1 toon solo to 85 and since then I've not had the urge to log in. Seems strange after 5 years of keeping me hooked, that I no longer feel like playing it, I log in and within minutes I'm logging out again.

Dabbling a bit in Eve, not sure it's my thing but need something to keep me occupied (and the insane learning curve makes it a bit more challenging).

Waiting for The Old Republic and Dark Millenium: Online, they will be my next hobbies/obsessions :D.

Bought a few games i've been meaning to play for ages, Dawn of War 2, Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age: Origins, so i'll see what they're like.

I check the forums everyday still, but not seen anything that makes me want to log in :(

[Fat Tire]

Blizzard will never ever be able to make wow a balanced game or a game that is perfect. In fact one could argue its in their interest not to, if they did make it perfect it would become stale and boring. There will always be a constant ebb and flow to the game for it to be profitable and keep people interested.

They want people to theorycraft like insane dribbling mouthbreathers every patch, that way they are thinking about wow alot more than they should even when they are not online. All changes whether good or bad from each individuals perspective only last for a relative short period only to be changed again later.

Now with all that said, I could myself say I have canceled my accounts also since I used to play 5 but only have played 2 since mid wotlk. Only down side is I cant do heroics by myself, but I can do everything else, its cheaper too.

[d0z3rr]

All 10 accounts of mine have been cancelled. Have no desire to level to 85.

Thinking about Eve...but I've been playing Pharaoh a lot lately.

[Reprisal]

That's funny, so many people quitting because cata is to challenging. It's completely opposite for me, the only reason i'm still playing is because it's challenging. I took a break from wotlk after like two months because it was way to easy, and didn't even come back until two months before cata came out. Arenas can be rough against the right group, but there are just as many teams I destroy with 4 shaman. I just don't understand complaining because you can't easily get to a 2k rating multiboxing. Cap out every week, get your gear and destroy people in rated bgs. And don't worry, they're hardcore nerfing pretty much every heroic, even the really easy ones, because of people wining and quitting. But you're right, quitting wow is way easier than improving your skills as a boxer and downing some content. But that's just my opinion, and you're right, it is just a video game and at the end of the day if you don't enjoy it why waste money on it.

[Teslah]

That's funny, so many people quitting because cata is to challenging. It's completely opposite for me, the only reason i'm still playing is because it's challenging. I took a break from wotlk after like two months because it was way to easy, and didn't even come back until two months before cata came out. Arenas can be rough against the right group, but there are just as many teams I destroy with 4 shaman. I just don't understand complaining because you can't easily get to a 2k rating multiboxing. Cap out every week, get your gear and destroy people in rated bgs. And don't worry, they're hardcore nerfing pretty much every heroic, even the really easy ones, because of people wining and quitting. But you're right, quitting wow is way easier than improving your skills as a boxer and downing some content. But that's just my opinion, and you're right, it is just a video game and at the end of the day if you don't enjoy it why waste money on it.

Not sure people are quitting because it is hard. Long and a little annoying at times might be a better explanation. For me, it just doesn't have the same feeling as previous expansions.

I love the challenge, but the rewards are not there. I think they went too far in the other direction from Wrath. Upping the time it takes to learn strategies and finish dungeons was fine with me. It made it a lot of fun at first. The problem is once you spend a couple of weeks in heroics you are pretty much done with them and only the raids are left.

I'm getting close to taking an extended break. Of course I tend to do that once the majority of the content is cleared.

Anyway, good luck to everyone.

[Tyval]

But you're right, quitting wow is way easier than improving your skills as a boxer and downing some content.

Seriously?

That is all you got from the thread?

Do to time constraints I just got to where I can attempt heroics(queue), I spent yesterday learning/completing the first 2 named in SFK, and the first named in VP. Actually most of the time was just on the first named in SFK. I was having interrupt issues and getting bad timing on the mend, with my interrupt not ready. Or trying to time the tick of regen too close and stopping it too early, Not timing the last phase right and not getting healed up enough. I also threw in a fair amount of stupid. I did the stupid thing way too much, intermixed with decent attempts. I lost count of how many wipes I had Gear had to full repair twice or was it 3 times...

But by God i was going to beat that thing!

It did force me to improve and change things around, I had one attempt where he cast mend right after his strangulation/channel phase. So I stopped and made sure my interrupts were staggered (and used my priest to dispel the one debuff), I finally got around to getting my setup correct on my priest with the PW:Barrier so I could help with the aoe dmg on last phase. Saw my dps was low so tweaked my macros, was having mana issues so made sure to have those readily available and setup right.

But then I thought to myself, "Holy Crap, these are the fights that everyone says are easy-peasy. Things will only get harder from here".... If I'm struggling on these and other are all like "dude they are simple, stop sucking"

Maybe I don't have the time, skill or desire to box this expansion.

If I am honest I have to admit Wrath didn't really help me become a skilled MB (I started MBing in wrath) , I got use to brute forcing my way through heroics and then over gearing them. So I'm trying to learn, get better, adapt. but ultimately if I'm not having fun, I'm not going to play. The most complicated thing I had to do was maybe an interupt, jumping or moving out of dmg. So I am trying to get better, learn, adapt....

But your right, the only reason folks are thinking of quitting is because they suck and aren't willing to stop sucking :)

It isn't the tedious and forced linear quest lines, talents that seem more constrained than ever before, more of the same old same old game play. (PvP issues I can't speak about as I havent' done any yet) and yes content that for some might be more work and time commitment than they want or can make.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

That's funny, so many people quitting because cata is to challenging.

[*SNIP*]

But you're right, quitting wow is way easier than improving your skills as a boxer and downing some content. But that's just my opinion, and you're right, it is just a video game and at the end of the day if you don't enjoy it why waste money on it.Right, because it just couldn't possibly be about anything _other_ than current heroic difficulty, AMIRITE?

Bravo, sir! My search for a picture to post here to describe the utter fail of your post, while fruitless for obvious reasons, led me on a merry and hilarious trip across the intertubes. Bravo!

[Lpwned]

Right, because it just couldn't possibly be about anything _other_ than current heroic difficulty, AMIRITE?

Bravo, sir! My search for a picture to post here to describe the utter fail of your post, while fruitless for obvious reasons, led me on a merry and hilarious trip across the intertubes. Bravo!

Ha ha!! That is a WAY more colorful way of saying what I was thinking.

[raylion]

I've cancelled all 5 of my accounts too...have multiboxed since TBC when I first saw some of Xzins videos but WoW today is a shadow of what it was. Hate the direction questing has gone in and the dungeons aren't very enjoyable either.

I've jumped ship to Eve Online and now have 5 accounts (so glad ISBoxer supports it). Somewhat daunted by the scale of Eve and really have no idea what I'm doing but it feels very open about how you choose to progress which I like immensely.

Such a shame about WoW...looking back over the expansions I think TBC was probably the best (even though it had faults) with WotLK a close second. Maybe if the next expansion blends the best of TBC and WotLK then I'll be back to WoW but until then I'm off flying in my new spaceships! :-)

[RCmag13]

A very sad post. I plan on 10 boxing all the old content all the way up to Wotlk and I believe that will be quite enjoyable, but I do have to agree with most of you here.

I leveled up an 85 Warlock when the cata expansion was released and while the first run of quests were fun, I couldn't imagine doing all of them over and over again to get my other toons leveled up. I ran my lock through some of the normal random dungeons and the expansion seemed promising. When i got to 85 and started running heroics it was just ritarded, the amount of time i had to put in to get a very small upgrade wasn't worth it. I tried to do my daily random for a couple of weeks and just got tired of the 45 minute queue times for dps and when i finally did get a dungeon most of the pugs would wipe 5-6x on every encounter or just give up which was a total waist of my time. I'm not saying that the heroics are too difficult but I am saying that most of the heroics don't give adequate rewards for as difficult as they are. Even in coordinated guild groups we still have trouble getting through some of the encounters and most of the guildies out-gear the instance quite a bit (wearing faction and crafted epics). If the heroic instances are going to be this difficult then they need to make the drops worthwhile, upgrading my gear from 333-346 doesn't suffice. I don't think I will be playing my 85 warlock anymore, it's more of a chore to log on and do my random. I will continue to 10 box my toons up until Ice Crown Citadel and then we'll see what happens next.

I don't see how multiboxing the cata heroics would even be enjoyable, I didn't have fun playing one character through it much less 5.

[Tonuss]

I think I played for two or three years before I canceled the first time. I've probably canceled three times since then, usually for a few months when I realize that I haven't logged in for a few weeks. In that time I play other games and do other stuff, then wind up resubscribing. Games like this draw you in and you wind up playing on a regular schedule (even as a casual player), and that is bound to lead to burnout.

There are so many games out there that it would be crazy to force yourself to play WOW if it's not fun. I have a backlog of console games that I'll get to at some point, when WOW becomes boring again.

[Sbrowne55]

@the leet posters who love the challenge. There is no challenge boxing shammies every boxer knows that... Try another set, and hit up arena or some pve, you'll see why we quit or are pissed off. That's just my opinion lol.

Also the nerf bat has hit many teams. Which account for my hiatus. Those druid nerfs are seriusly overkill.

Before you flame me. I do agree playing a team that works is best and shammies are just that.but saying others have no skill is wrong. Other teams have been made/nerfed at boxing making them harder in cata

[Catamer]

I quit playing as well.
It has more to do with the style of quests in my opinion. Who the F-bomb wants to do a collection quest?
It's a unisex style of mission where anything can do it, healer or dps and they suck.
I used to love leveling alts right up to level 70 where the sucking beings.
They don't want multi boxers and I'm happy to move on.

[wakasm]

This is a sad thread in terms of how many people I've gotten great tips from that seem to be going. Are these all "Temp" quits or "Forever" quits?

I'm only just getting started in full-on 5 boxing due to my computer restraints I had before... I feel like I missed the "Golden Years" window of multi-boxing. Hopefully all you vets can keep posting and help us new guys with Tips.

I just got my 4th team to 60 with RaF and have had a blast so far. My RaF ends 2-23-11 and can't wait to get to 85 on my first team. Maybe b/c I'm leveling up in Cata I won't notice how bad 80-85 is since I don't have a basis of comparison. Maybe it's only fun for me because I quit WoW for most of WOTLK.

Anyway - stay on the forums at least to help us nubs, and please please please keep the forums updated if there ends up being a new game everyone migrates to for multiboxing! I'd love to actually start on a multiboxer friendly server and possible even play with some of you boxing vets in future games!

[Lpwned]

This is a sad thread in terms of how many people I've gotten great tips from that seem to be going. Are these all "Temp" quits or "Forever" quits?

I'm only just getting started in full-on 5 boxing due to my computer restraints I had before... I feel like I missed the "Golden Years" window of multi-boxing. Hopefully all you vets can keep posting and help us new guys with Tips.

I just got my 4th team to 60 with RaF and have had a blast so far. My RaF ends 2-23-11 and can't wait to get to 85 on my first team. Maybe b/c I'm leveling up in Cata I won't notice how bad 80-85 is since I don't have a basis of comparison. Maybe it's only fun for me because I quit WoW for most of WOTLK.

Anyway - stay on the forums at least to help us nubs, and please please please keep the forums updated if there ends up being a new game everyone migrates to for multiboxing! I'd love to actually start on a multiboxer friendly server and possible even play with some of you boxing vets in future games!


This is a depressing forum :( sorry about that.

If your new to WoW then go for it! Don't get at all discouraged by all this. Most of us here have been playing for years and years, and our number 1 complaint is that it's the same old same old.

If your new it will still be a total blast, exiting, challenging, and best of all, it will all be new! (I think this last is why everyone always misses the expansion they started playing in. Always chasing the dragon so to speak)

[Dramoth]

I havent played my 5 box team in ages and with Cata the way it is, I am not that interested really.

Just started doing heroics on my solo toons and they are stupidly difficult. They have taken the normal encounters and ramped them up by about a factor of 10.

And I was supprised to see that no starter epics dropped from the end bosses in heroics. So you basically have to spend a lot of time grinding mats for the patterns and then more mats to make them and hope that an orb drops from a boss otherwise, you have to find someone who has an orb who has the pattern you want made.

And the prices in the AH on Anachronos-EU are insane.15k gold for an epic item that might cost you 700-1000g to make.

Stacks of obsidian and elementium are 140g+ even stacks of savage leather scraps are starting at 40g/stack

I had a look at Rift and I might be tempted to get it and have a quick play on it just to see what it is like.

I like the new zones in Cata, but everything else is just completely screwed.

[Ualaa]

World of Warcraft is the top game in the genre.
Not saying there aren't other great games in the genre too.
But until a game with the same style comes around that is better, chances are we (or at least most of us) will be back at some point.

There are so many compositions to try, it is rather easy to get excited about something.
And to want to try it.
Or someone comes along with a new idea and their enthusiasm for it makes you want to try it too.

About the only way anyone will really quit warcraft is if:
a) a better game in the same genre comes out; or
b) they quit computer games entirely, and find another hobby.

I'm not thrilled with the Feral changes.
And at the moment that is the only composition I really want to play.
And battleground pvp is the only boxed aspect of the game that I want to do.
The other being, gold accumulation; granted 29 transmutes is boxing sort of.

In protest to the changes I've canceled.
I cannot really see myself quitting warcraft, as computer games are still fun and there's nothing better in the genre yet.
And I have two months before the subs run out.
Plus the changes might leave the class in a fun to play position.

I'm not "quitting" because something is too hard.
It is rather funny that someone can get that impression from this thread.
The linear nature of the expansion is rather boring, but my PvP composition is fun.
I have no interest in PvE at the moment, so "hard" heroics are not an issue (I've not even been in a Cataclysm dungeon yet and have no plans to run any of them, whether they get nerfed into the ground or have their challenge level increased dramatically).
They're threatening changes to my composition, which as advertised seems to make it pretty much garbage.
No point in paying for linear/boring/repetitive content, with nerfs to the one factor of the expansion that I enjoy.

But the game is in a state of flux.
Things change fairly constantly, even if not always quickly.
So, will have to see what is fun and what is not, and decide based on that.

[crowdx]

Since the expansion rolled out I have leveled one team to 85 and have done quite a few normal dungeons, no heroics yet, except for some trash mobs to get a feel for how hard thrash are hitting in heroics.
My current state of mind is to make gold for the next month or so from farming and transmutes. I have a druid which is half way through level 83 without doing any questing and another druid I intend to use to farm when he gets a little higher (currently lvl 63 from boosting him to lvl 61 when I had RAF and now just farming with him).
To me there is no point in banging my head into the brick wall which heroics seem to be. In my opinion the time taken to gear a team to be heroic viable is wasted time due to the same team in 6 months time will roll through the heorics when they have been nerfed and the next tier of gear is released and justice points will be actually worth something (I view the jump in gear from a regular lvl 85 dungeon to Justice point gear too small to be worth farming).

For me by the time I had a team geared enough to do heroics the next major patch will have dropped and all that work would be wasted. Instead I am focusing on farming mats which now levels toons for me as I watch tv and leveling up some lowbie teams.

I am personally looking forward to 4.1 when at that point I am hoping the orbs are no longer soulbound which will make all my current professions useful again without having each toon heroic viable.

[Lance]

Lol I'm quite surprised by this thread. I have been 5 boxing since half way through TBC and quit just over a week ago. I didn't realise so many others were too.

[Gramzngunz]

I canceled my accounts as well. Just too much of a long boring grind to get back to fun stuff. Playing lots of Starcraft 2 competitively. It's so nice to just log on, have great fun until I quit playing. Then I log into wow and think "after 5 more hours, I might be able to get a piece of gear, and get a little bit closer to having fun" Some people have fun doing that BG gear grind I know, but I'm not one of them. I just loved to world pvp, and I don't feel like leveling a new team, or grinding BG's for hundreds of hours to have fun again. Going to try Rift though, it looks fun. Until then SC2 for me. WhodatNinja is my name in SC2 if anyone wants to play on there :D

[Ughmahedhurtz]

If your new to WoW then go for it! Don't get at all discouraged by all this. Most of us here have been playing for years and years, and our number 1 complaint is that it's the same old same old.

If your new it will still be a total blast, exiting, challenging, and best of all, it will all be new! (I think this last is why everyone always misses the expansion they started playing in. Always chasing the dragon so to speak)

Exactly. Some of us just don't particularly care for the change in direction with Cataclysm (and to a lesser extent, WotLK). There is a lot of fun stuff to do in WoW depending on your tastes. There have been a lot of nay-sayers at various points about what couldn't be done in WoW as a multiboxer and we've pretty much blown up every one of them. ;)

[Duane]

I'm down to one account from five. I had fun leveling the first guy through Cataclysm content and managed a few others to 85 but I can't bear the thought of bringing a group through another under water level or Uldum.

I also really liked being able to quickly gear and run heroics on my feral tank. Farming the old raids was fun as well but since the nerfs I don't even want to play my druid. The long cool downs and AP reductions just don't make it enjoyable any more.

For now I'm reactivating some EVE accounts and playing my XBOX 360 more.

[Khatovar]

I'm still deciding if I should cancel my accounts or not. I've been in this limbo since week 2 of Cata. That's the point where I said to myself "wow, after a bazillion more runs of this instance, I'll have enough gear to run this same exact instance on heroic another bazillion times for the same exact gear +5 stats." I haven't done much of anything on my main team in weeks.

As much as Blizzard touted all these changes to the world and the game, it sure feels a lot more like every other grind game out there. Leveling was too easy and too linear, dungeons aren't as much interesting and innovative as they are tedious and time-consuming. Any of the other expansions, it took at least 8 months before I got THIS bored. Even rolling a new team hasn't helped. I haven't logged in to do anything other than repost auctions and do my JC daily in about 2 weeks, and I can't really even be arsed to do that most nights. Might just be time to stroll back over to DDO or LotRO for a while.

[Svpernova09]

I'm still deciding if I should cancel my accounts or not. I've been in this limbo since week 2 of Cata. That's the point where I said to myself "wow, after a bazillion more runs of this instance, I'll have enough gear to run this same exact instance on heroic another bazillion times for the same exact gear +5 stats." I haven't done much of anything on my main team in weeks.

As much as Blizzard touted all these changes to the world and the game, it sure feels a lot more like every other grind game out there. Leveling was too easy and too linear, dungeons aren't as much interesting and innovative as they are tedious and time-consuming. Any of the other expansions, it took at least 8 months before I got THIS bored. Even rolling a new team hasn't helped. I haven't logged in to do anything other than repost auctions and do my JC daily in about 2 weeks, and I can't really even be arsed to do that most nights. Might just be time to stroll back over to DDO or LotRO for a while.

While I haven't actively multiboxed in months, I agree 100% with this. I leveled my priest first because that was the toon I had been playing for 7+ months. That turned out to be a huge waste of time since I hated disc @ 85. Then I leveled my Druid, joined a PvE guild, and have been playing catch up to get raid ready. I'm not meaning to QQ at all, but heroics seem really dumb right now. I realize and appreciate their current difficulty level, but punishing the entire group on one of 15-30 trash pulls in an instance because RDF gave the group a shitty comp (no / little CC ability) is very frustrating. I understand making shit hard, and I understand using trash as a pacing / rep grind mechanic.

What happened to their mentality during wrath of having dungeons run fast? They purposely (for better or worse) made dungeons where you could grind them out in about an hour or less. Some even faster. And we're talking in i200 gear. Fuck all the wrathtards that came in and got their free T9 and cried cause they were bored as they steamrolled heroics like a cat on a keyboard.

I don't mind hard shit, I don't mind repair bills or wiping, but FFS don't punish me because I want to the play the game. I feel that waiting in a 30-45 minute que if I want to play as DPS is unacceptable, but I still do it. I feel that getting booted from a group just because the tank is butthurt I asked him to mark targets so I would stop pulling aggro is unacceptable, but I still reque. I feel that they added length to dungeons to make up for less number of dungeons, yet I'm still grinding away at them. A lot of the game is not fun anymore. Can we go back to T5 era? Maybe T8 era?

[Gomotron]

While I think that MB'ers are a niche group in the WoW population as a whole, I do feel that as Blizzard has "dumbed down" WoW it has really lowered the bar for players and at the same time elevated expectations on what the "average player" could accomplish.

If the frustration of the average player is even remotely similar to what we are experiencing, I expect that Blizzard will not go another 6 weeks without nerfing the hell out of heroics, increasing the rewards of heroics, or (more likely) both. No matter what Ghostcrawler thinks, enough account cancellations will speak more loudly than anything else.

[pinotnoir]

Roll Deathnights! Shamans days are over in my opinion.

[Lpwned]

Roll Deathnights! Shamans days are over in my opinion.

I would... and started to.

Unfortunately the thought of quad-questing through Wrath again makes me want to punch babies. :mad:

[Teslah]

I would... and started to.

Unfortunately the thought of quad-questing through Wrath again makes me want to punch babies. :mad:


Well, I joined the club. Cancelled all 10 accounts just now. I feel like I did most of the new content and what is there just isn't as much fun as the previous expansions. It's a great game, and I am sure I'll be back later on.

Anyway, good luck all. Have fun!

[Overpowerdin]

So far I have gone from 5 accounts -> 2 and those are done when the game time is up. I absolutely love warcraft, have all the CEs, listen to the game music when I am not playing, read the books, etc. Cata was awesome the first time I played through. The phasing from the single player perspective is awesome, truly felt like I was making a difference in the game world while questing. Problem with that is once you are done, you can't go back and help other guildies/alts because of all the phasing.

So I figured I would go ahead and just try to gear up my tank. So I went and looked at my rep to see what I have to go get some starter gear, or who I should work on first so I can get my ilvl up enough to run heroics in PUGs until the guildies lvled. Oh wait I gotta run heroics with tabards to get my rep up to get the starter gear to be able to run heroics?? :confused::eek::confused:
Ok, so that means I have to resort to making some gear. So look up the recipes. Ok so now I just need to lvl my blacksmith to get to the twilight highlands to be able to get the recipes, check the mats on the recipes and, :confused: i need the :mad: orbs from heroics to make the gear????????????????????

After going through all that, well I would say something is wrong. I am not really up for spending weeks to go through all this stuff just to get back to where I can do the stuff I like. And leveling more toons while I wait hoping blizzard fixes the gear paradox, well I agree with everyone above. I just can make myself do all that over again.

I think the thing that is disappointing me the most, is I want to like the game.

[Apps]

I have been playing WoW since November 2004. I have quit a few times here and there. I was on a quit spell when the introduction of Cata was made. After some review, and playing a friends Beta, I couldnt be happier.

I am one of the few players, I think, who hated WotLK. HATED it. Over the years, I have watched content get easier and easier, and then to WotLK... where it was so much instant gratification of "gimme epix"

The game was developed, started, and grew in popularity because of how content was in vanilla. It was a real accomplishment to see a guy in full T1 or T2 or, if you were lucky to find one, in full T3, standing around in a major city. Very impressive. It took dedication, and strive, play skill, improvisation when things go wrong, (and do it smart), in order to get a particular boss down.

The game evolved into, [Run in, AOE tank, AOE heal, AOE dps], YAY epics! and the boss fights werent that hard. [Stand here, dps or dont dps, move some, perhaps, then loot.] I was very disappointed.

For me, (and I do recognize this is only one opinion on the subject), Cata is a step towards catering to the group of individuals that made WoW popular and successful in the first place. A Tribute sort of. There is still the "badge" gear, else the most of the gear is earned... truly earned.

Example: I had gone into a group dual boxing with other member of my guild. I told the mage, to sheep moon, and the lock to banish the diamond. BOTH of them... the mage says, "ok, hang on, I dont have that on my bar." The lock says "wait! what do you mean banish, I dont have a banish." (These players are new players since Wrath.)

LFG in vanilla was, "LF Fire Mage for MC!"
LFG in BC was, "LF Mage for BT"
LFG in Wrath was "LF DPS for Naxx"
Then its a "click me for a group, we dont care what your spec or class is, its all gooood."
LFG in Cata is now "LF Fire Mage for BoT"

Anyone else see the "dumbing down" there?

No. I rather enjoy the new content.

[Krago]

Same here but some time ago.

I cancelled all 5 accounts last spring because I become bored and wasn't having fun anymore.

Then Cataclysm came out and I started getting the itch to play again, so I updated my client got the 10 day trial of Cata and went to play and my PC hard locked, needed a power cycle to fix it up. Played with many different things, tried the suggestions on the forum and finally gave up.

Updated the client on my laptop used the 10 trial and while interesting it just doesn't seem to grab my attention anymore. Then I came here looking for hope and read all the posts that seem to be echoing what I already thought.

'Tis a shame because like the previous poster, I really want to like it again.

So, I have pre-ordered the CE of Rift and may order a 2nd one to try out some dual boxing during next weeks beta.

I have also been playing around with EVE Online again (after a 2 year hiatus), DDO, and RoM.

If I get the 2nd Rift CE and I can get Dual Boxing to work I'll post an update next week.

[zenga]

It are not only boxers who leave WoW atm. Many blogs report the same. Guilds on my realm get little to no recruits. So there seems to be 'something' at least.

I've never enjoyed WoW more than I do at the moment. But I only box when I'm not playing my main toon(s) solo. It's more of a distraction than a goal in itself.

The heroic dungeon difficulty is non existent in my book (solo). The tactics are not really hard and in 333 gear they are very doable. That is for the bosses. What makes it boring is the endless amount of trash you have to kill before reaching a boss. I'd rather have 1-2 optional bosses than all the trash. CC'ing takes no skill. It's basically selecting an assigned mob push a button and then nuke a single target. Repeat x times and done. Tanking a trash pack and making sure you are not targetting the wrong mob so tank can hold aggro seems to be more challenging to me.

The gear progression is what I really like in cata and it makes total sense to me. Normals, then heroics + boe epics and faction rewards. That goes for your main toon. What they should do is make faction rewards account wide. Else it becomes an eternal grind that make people quit. If I could just play my pally, warrior or dk without having to do a shitload of dungeons on them, after doing that on my shaman; I'd be keen to play them in pve.

And if you want to run some bg's each day it only gets worse. As an elemental shaman, warriors and feral druids are way overpowered, there is almost no way to avoid a certain dead. Frost mages run around spamming ice lands & RoF; etc etc. The balance seems to be totally gone. Not to mention that you need to do a long grind before you get any decent pvp gear; whereas some players got full pvp gear from TB honor joke. I can see that this turns off people.

I'm totally fine with WoW being more difficult than Wrath; but more difficult doesn't mean more painful, i.e. making long rep grinds for each alt, adding shitloads of trash. I can see that this is a huge problem for people with limited time to play the game. Skill and difficulty should be about executing harder tactics / beat reset timers/tight aggro meters: not about cc'ing trash mobs.

On a last note: I started to play wow in nov 2009. And ever since I was reading stuff about 'in cataclysm this, in cata that'. Like it was going to be a total new game. Of course that never happens. People joinging the hyped bandwagon and got wrong expectations. Kinda like this married couple who do not longer get along and decide to make a baby to solve their problems. If you have played this game for so long, then a new expansion won't change the fact that you have been through this several times before, and that it actually ain't a big difference, besides some cosmetics.

[Ualaa]

Cata heroics are a lot closer to BC heroics.
At least from forum comments.
Haven't done the PvE end of Cata at all, aside from leveling.

I loved the challenge of the BC heroics.
And hated that Wrath heroics were essentially the same as Wrath normals, in that TONS of people got the achievement for both at the same time; there was no chance in hell of someone in BC running a heroic with leveling up gear and getting the achievement for heroic and regular Shattered Halls in the same run.

[crowdx]

Cata heroics are a lot closer to BC heroics.
At least from forum comments.
Haven't done the PvE end of Cata at all, aside from leveling.

I loved the challenge of the BC heroics.
And hated that Wrath heroics were essentially the same as Wrath normals, in that TONS of people got the achievement for both at the same time; there was no chance in hell of someone in BC running a heroic with leveling up gear and getting the achievement for heroic and regular Shattered Halls in the same run.

This is VERY true, my memory does not remember the rewards for the BC heroics, I know Cata heroics gear is just too close to a normal dungeon and no epic drop for the end boss sucks. I know BC had epic drops from the last boss at the end of the expansion.

[zenga]

Cata heroics are a lot closer to BC heroics.
At least from forum comments.
Haven't done the PvE end of Cata at all, aside from leveling.

I loved the challenge of the BC heroics.
And hated that Wrath heroics were essentially the same as Wrath normals, in that TONS of people got the achievement for both at the same time; there was no chance in hell of someone in BC running a heroic with leveling up gear and getting the achievement for heroic and regular Shattered Halls in the same run.

I haven't done a single normal in cata; did my first hc as soon as I dinged 85; and got both normal & hc achievements at the same time, for all completed dungeons. Leveling speed from questing > normal instances. And call my cocky, but I outdps'd the players in 333/346 gear when I ran my first couple of hc's in quest gear. And we never really struggled with that group; meaning that while they don't play their class the way they could, we still made it. Hell, one can easily do the first raid bosses in hc gear. People now make it sound like you need to be fully hc geared to run the hc dungeons.

[Pycno]

My team is almost unstoppable now in pvp. I am still pvp 80 because I didn't need to level up, I gib lvl 85 players before they even reach me. I was bored with wow before cataclysm however, and its only a matter of time before my comp is nerfed (priest+mages). So my accounts are canceled, cat was a waste of installation and patch time.
I don't want to spend time leveling, I prefer wpvp but the upgraded guards are annoying and when people gear up they may eventually become dangerous to my lvl 80 team.
I currently enjoy minecraft, supercratebox and battlecraft (sc2 map) :)

[Lpwned]

I feel bad now :( Like I have been the catalyst in a big quitting wave. I see a lot of fairly well known names in this thread.


I am one of the few players, I think, who hated WotLK. HATED it. Over the years, I have watched content get easier and easier, and then to WotLK...


You’re not alone.

WotLK felt SO cheap to me.


Most people don’t even know that Naxx was a rip off. It was a level 60 instance, and it was the EXACT same as it was at 80 (+ some HP and damage). Literally, they changed nothing! Same abilities, same encounters, same strategies, but as you all can imagine without the ‘LOL I WIN’ button that was given to all the classes in Wrath, it was an incredibly hard instance.


They were really that lazy and cheap. They just moved a 40 man instance from level 60 to 80, made it a 25 man and sold it as a $50 expansion… Hated Wrath with a passion!


Edit: And if you want a good LOL, go Google the warrior T3 set that was dropped in the ORIGINAL Naxx. I think you Wrath lovers will suddenly love Naxx a little less… sloppy seconds sold as new content. YAY FOR WRATH

[Khatovar]

They were really that lazy and cheap. They just moved a 40 man instance from level 60 to 80, made it a 25 man and sold it as a $50 expansion… Hated Wrath with a passion!


Edit: And if you want a good LOL, go Google the warrior T3 set that was dropped in the ORIGINAL Naxx. I think you Wrath lovers will suddenly love Naxx a little less… sloppy seconds sold as new content. YAY FOR WRATH


Hmm, I wasn't aware that the only content in Wrath was the starter raid they put in.

[luxlunae]

My team is almost unstoppable now in pvp. I am still pvp 80 because I didn't need to level up, I gib lvl 85 players before they even reach me. I was bored with wow before cataclysm however, and its only a matter of time before my comp is nerfed (priest+mages). So my accounts are canceled, cat was a waste of installation and patch time.
I don't want to spend time leveling, I prefer wpvp but the upgraded guards are annoying and when people gear up they may eventually become dangerous to my lvl 80 team.
I currently enjoy minecraft, supercratebox and battlecraft (sc2 map) :)


this comment confuses me.... you didn't actually level up and do the new content.... how can you be sick of cata content when you're not actually doing any cata content?

[Ualaa]

Naxx is recycled content, that's true.

But it is also a raid, that only the highest top-end guilds did, and for what almost two weeks?
It was experienced by maybe 0.05% of the player base as a level 60 raid, at level 60.

[BrothelMeister]

What a bunch of debbie downers.

[Drizhal]

Naxx is recycled content, that's true.

But it is also a raid, that only the highest top-end guilds did, and for what almost two weeks?
It was experienced by maybe 0.05% of the player base as a level 60 raid, at level 60.

To me this concept that they push "Hardcore only" or "Not everyone will see end-game" is a failure at design level. Stepping aside from what I feel is shoddy work in these last couple expansions look at the concept of the RNG.

Run a dungeon 6 times straight for "Maybe" a drop, making it a grinding painful experience after about the 4th time of going "Cmon drop, cmon..."

How was that more fun then the concept of guaranteed upgrades? Put in your time you might get something, carrot please meet stick.

Or put in time and be allowed to actually progress wanting you to put in more time to progress more... Make the content difficult, make the cost of justice items high, but make these items worth more. Allow more people to see more content, how is this a bad idea? Blizzard seems to think that it's cool to only show content to >1% of the games population.

[Velassra]

To me this concept that they push "Hardcore only" or "Not everyone will see end-game" is a failure at design level. Stepping aside from what I feel is shoddy work in these last couple expansions look at the concept of the RNG.

Run a dungeon 6 times straight for "Maybe" a drop, making it a grinding painful experience after about the 4th time of going "Cmon drop, cmon..."

How was that more fun then the concept of guaranteed upgrades? Put in your time you might get something, carrot please meet stick.

Or put in time and be allowed to actually progress wanting you to put in more time to progress more... Make the content difficult, make the cost of justice items high, but make these items worth more. Allow more people to see more content, how is this a bad idea? Blizzard seems to think that it's cool to only show content to >1% of the games population.

I don't think it's so much that is that more isn't available yet and this, along w/ artificially high cd's on tradeskills is choking off progression for what they have to know is the majority of their playerbase. Why make it so you can get to max level on release day, then make it almost impossible to progress but at a stupid snail pace?

[Drizhal]

I don't think it's so much that is that more isn't available yet and this, along w/ artificially high cd's on tradeskills is choking off progression for what they have to know is the majority of their playerbase. Why make it so you can get to max level on release day, then make it almost impossible to progress but at a stupid snail pace?

I didn't mean to say that content is unavailable in the sense that it's not there. It's unavailable in the sense that they want you to inject yourself into WoW for every extra waking moment and then only show certain content to certain people. Then on top of that, run all of the regulars become exalted with multiple factions to get gear to do what? Oh ya run the exact same dungeon on heroic, painfully in many cases, for 13 ilvls? ....What? Oh by the way the dungeon will average you 1-2hrs quite easily with trivial trash pulls and gimmicky boss mechanics or even trash mechanics.

Just doesn't make sense in the end.

[Ualaa]

Comparing Everquest, during the years I played (Classic through Planes of Power) to Warcraft.

You have a non-phased dungeon.
As in trash mobs and bosses can be contested.
There might be six "camps" in the dungeon.

You enter the dungeon and call out "Camp Check".
If no one replies, you call out "Claiming Upper Spiders", or whatever.
Then your group has to navigate through trash to get there; trash which belongs to another camp so you don't want to kill it, or they will steal your mobs in return.

You get to your camp, and hope no one is there, as someone might say their group missed your Camp Check, but it is their camp.
Then you clear the immediate area, most camps did not have a safe area to pull to, but rather had to be cleared or you stood in a very small area to not aggro stuff.

You get a puller, to aggro and bring mobs.
Not the tank, because they were to grab threat "aggro" from the puller.
And the puller was to leave, to arrive with another mob as the first was dying or pretty close to that.
DPS killed stuff.
Healer kept people alive.

You needed a debuffer (Enchanter/Shaman) to debuff the mobs and buff the group for a lot of camps.
So, rather than Tank + Heals, before you could roll, there were three ingredients.

The boss would have 1-3 placeholders, who would spawn 95% of the time.
So you could clear the camp for 22 minutes (or whatever), until the boss could spawn but more likely another placeholder mob.
Which could be seven or nineteen spawning opportunities.
The boss would have a common drop, the equivalent of a blue.
But the camp would be desired, because 10-15% of the time, it would have a rare, the equivalent of a purple.
The placeholder would have the equivalent of a green.

The trash mobs would drop stuff that made the camp worth being there, even if you never had a boss.
But the various bosses were the reason to camp whatever.

If something was "camped", you could ask to be put on the list.
When the group left, they would let whoever was top of the list know.
Or if one of the six party members left, and they didn't know a friend to replace one, they'd ask whoever was top of the list.
You could be in a dungeon for five hours on three lists, and not yet get into a group to kill anything.

While warcraft has issues...
It is infinitely better than EQ was.

[Fat Tire]

Comparing Everquest, during the years I played (Classic through Planes of Power) to Warcraft.


While warcraft has issues...
It is infinitely better than EQ was.


So true.

Although, I would give my left nut for wow to have the equivalent of EC commons tunnel. Even though I like wow AH, I loved EC tunnel so much more. This was before there was a bazaar.

"I cant move!, I need a SOW" 30 min walk to the bank......

I had a guy pay me 400 bucks for a CoCW. Here is how it went.

Hey you got a paypal account? Give you 400 for your cloak.

I said....sure thinking it was a joke. Bam 400 sent to me. /shocked

[Drizhal]

Or Subway in AC back before the bazaar was put in...

[Lokked]

I miss parts of EQ:
Velks in General. Every spider camp was soloable by Bard. Good times for OP bard.
Trial of Fire. Soloable by Bard. Could redo every 5 mins. Named dropped a wiz Rod that sold for ~40k plat. I made around $3,000 US farming this and selling the plat.
Kedge Keep. Soloing Phinegal Autropos for class Epic drops in exchange for mass Plat.
Western Wastes. Bard could solo Harla Dar - gauranteed spawn that dropped 4 lvl 60 drop-only spells.
AEing ~100 mobs at a time in Halls of Honor. I was maxed on AA, and was paid to group with others to max their AA. You could PL someone from 53 - 65 in about 4-6 hours, or max AA in about 12 hours.

Basically, I miss EQ only for its obsurd class imbalance and that I happened to have rolled the most OP class and had my secret farming places.

I do miss that EQ made you work for your gear, and didn't hand you anything on a platter (unless you were a bard). You felt a sense of pride for each piece of gear you had, as you had to suffer to attain it :P

Edit** I was scanning and just realized this isn't supposed to be an EQ thread. Sorry for being a derailer**

[Tonuss]

Cata heroics are a lot closer to BC heroics.
At least from forum comments.
Haven't done the PvE end of Cata at all, aside from leveling.

I loved the challenge of the BC heroics.
And hated that Wrath heroics were essentially the same as Wrath normals, in that TONS of people got the achievement for both at the same time; there was no chance in hell of someone in BC running a heroic with leveling up gear and getting the achievement for heroic and regular Shattered Halls in the same run.
I think that one thing to remember is that the LFD tool was put in at some point during WotLK, and by that time people had already done some gearing up via normal/heroic dungeons and also several raid tiers. People ran LK heroics in ilvl 213-245 gear so that they could get emblems to buy ilvl 251-264 gear. Heroics that were tuned for ~187 gear.

Aside from that, tank threat generation had gotten too good, many DPS classes had pretty good AOE and mana regen (especially for healers) was simply broken. I can remember doing heroic runs with my hunter. I would misdirect to the tank and then spam volley until everything was dead. Over and over and over... and... over... Even bad players could not slow down a group. tBC's heroics were pretty over-tuned at the start, and people were rushing in to try them and getting flattened, so Blizz nerfed them a bunch of times. The difficulty of heroics was a constant issue in the forums. I can only imagine what it would have been like if they'd introduced LFD just before tBC.

It's just a particular set of circumstances, is all. Cata heroics are nowhere near as bad as tBC heroics were, but back then you had to form your own group and were limited to your own server. If you were bad, people would avoid you. Many players who like the convenience of queuing for dungeons with LFD today would never have set foot in a heroic back then.

[Tonuss]

Comparing Everquest, during the years I played (Classic through Planes of Power) to Warcraft.
I played from Luclin to the expansion after PoP. I always said that EQ punished players. I don't think they did it to be mean, but they wanted you to bleed for every bit of progress you made. And bleed profusely. Aside from the leveling grind (which you described pretty perfectly) there was the raid grind, where you'd spend hours organizing, dying, recovering from wipes, and occasionally killing something and hoping for a chance at rolling on one of the eight-to-ten drops that you'd get over the course of the evening. And 8-to-10 drops for 40-70 people for several hours of work made the leveling grind seem kind of quaint. Especially when some of those drops required other raid drops before you could get the actual gear item.

I never complain about WOW's leveling grind, because I have been permanently scarred by EQ's leveling grind.

I think WOW is mostly suffering from having squeezed what they could out of this type of game. EQ was the hard core difficulty. Vanilla WOW ramped it down a fair amount, and tBC ramped it down a bit more, and WotLK ramped it down too much, and now they're trying to find some middle ground that keeps people playing without turning the game into a complete joke. I don't know if they can find it, to be honest. Just gimme my Diablo 3 already and we can call it even.

[Svpernova09]

Hmm, I wasn't aware that the only content in Wrath was the starter raid they put in.

lol exactly.

I LOVED Ulduar, and ICC.


What a bunch of debbie downers.

There are a quite a few in this thread, I think they're pretty easy to point out and overlook. My comments are purely "IMHO" and I didn't mean to express anything other than my heartfelt apathy for this expansion.

[Kromtor]

So true.

Although, I would give my left nut for wow to have the equivalent of EC commons tunnel. Even though I like wow AH, I loved EC tunnel so much more. This was before there was a bazaar.

"I cant move!, I need a SOW" 30 min walk to the bank......

I had a guy pay me 400 bucks for a CoCW. Here is how it went.

Hey you got a paypal account? Give you 400 for your cloak.

I said....sure thinking it was a joke. Bam 400 sent to me. /shocked
EC tunnel was awesome. You get some awesome bargain and you have to run to the freeport bank and drag ass back encumbered with gold hoping to get there before the guy sold it to someone else. I can't figure out if the bare bones and imbalanced nature of early EQ was superior to the polished easymode of modern MMO's or if it just felt superior because it was new.

[Kang]

I'm not meaning to QQ at all, but heroics seem really dumb right now. I realize and appreciate their current difficulty level, but punishing the entire group on one of 15-30 trash pulls in an instance because RDF gave the group a shitty comp (no / little CC ability) is very frustrating. I understand making shit hard, and I understand using trash as a pacing / rep grind mechanic.

What happened to their mentality during wrath of having dungeons run fast? They purposely (for better or worse) made dungeons where you could grind them out in about an hour or less. Some even faster. And we're talking in i200 gear. Fuck all the wrathtards that came in and got their free T9 and cried cause they were bored as they steamrolled heroics like a cat on a keyboard.

I don't mind hard shit, I don't mind repair bills or wiping, but FFS don't punish me because I want to the play the game. I feel that waiting in a 30-45 minute que if I want to play as DPS is unacceptable, but I still do it. I feel that getting booted from a group just because the tank is butthurt I asked him to mark targets so I would stop pulling aggro is unacceptable, but I still reque. I feel that they added length to dungeons to make up for less number of dungeons, yet I'm still grinding away at them. A lot of the game is not fun anymore. Can we go back to T5 era? Maybe T8 era?

You captured my sentiments exactly. I'm playing solo now and HATE the 40 min queue time only to have a group quit 20 mins into the instance because we wiped on two trash pulls..or..get booted for some perceived offense. My experience with dungeon running has been horrible this expansion (as many in LoB can attest when I rant in guild chat - sorry). I don’t want to spend almost an hour waiting in a virtual line. From a healing perspective they feel unmanageable, not challenging.

That said, I don’t hate the expansion. Here are some likes:

I think the redesign of the old world was well done on the whole. It gave many areas a fresh feel and made for an interesting new leveling experience (your opinion may differ).
I actually like the linear approach to the questing and the phasing to a degree. It makes sense from a storytelling point of view.
I like the new zones. They are interesting and have some great storylines. Uldum and Deepholm are probably my favorites in the whole game. Uldum actually made me go out and buy Raiders of the Lost Ark :)
I like the simplicity of the talent trees. I miss getting a new talent every level, but I think the trees make more sense on the whole.


I’m going to stick with the expansion because I know this is not it for Cata – hell we don’t even have epic gems yet. I’ll be playing solo for a while and leveling a bunch of toons sitting in their 60’s.

[Gomotron]

EC tunnel was awesome. You get some awesome bargain and you have to run to the freeport bank and drag ass back encumbered with gold hoping to get there before the guy sold it to someone else. I can't figure out if the bare bones and imbalanced nature of early EQ was superior to the polished easymode of modern MMO's or if it just felt superior because it was new.

I started as a Dark Elf and remember getting creamed over and over trying to get to Freeport to begin with. And Spectre Island in the Oasis of Marr. Good times! :D

[Ughmahedhurtz]

EC tunnel was awesome. You get some awesome bargain and you have to run to the freeport bank and drag ass back encumbered with gold hoping to get there before the guy sold it to someone else. I can't figure out if the bare bones and imbalanced nature of early EQ was superior to the polished easymode of modern MMO's or if it just felt superior because it was new.Heh, I have the same perception of DAoC. Back in the day, it was awesome, especially the style chains and super-speed. After looking at WoW for the last 6 years or so, DAoC feels definitely dated and the interface feels soooo clunky, but some of the mechanics (auto-loot, style chains, ability queues) would be nice to have in WoW.

[Kromtor]

I've gone back to both EQ and DAoC multiple times but never lasted very long. the DAoC item system is just horrible - item degradation forcing you to use your best weapons sparingly and the crazy AoE mes'es and crap. but something about the feel of the game and the flow of the leveling and character building was very appealing in DAoC and a lot of fun to multibox.

[Tonuss]

The nostalgia for me is in some of the locations (like that icebound dwarf fortress, I can't remember the name... Thurgadin?) and particularly the music. Hearing the zone music for the wood elf home city is one of those moments when get taken waaaaaay back in time. Heck, now I have to find it on Youtube.

[Ualaa]

Not sure which was worse.. the ramps in Kelethin (figuring out where to go, to get somewhere), or Neriak when you were new to the game.
Both were relatively easy, with a lot of practice.

[Khatovar]

Why can I not escape EQ lately? My husband has been busting my balls about dusting off the old EQ accounts and I'd sooner set my own eyes on fire and then take a bath in battery acid. Man that game was tedious and boring.

*Gently picks a fuzz ball off her Drudges Playing Poker AC t-shirt*

[Dorffo]

Neriak if you didn't have night vision was a pain! I played EQ from release through PoP, and I while I have great memories of the game I wouldn't put myself through that grind again.

I agree with one of the previous posters though - what I loved the most about EQ was some of the completely absurd imbalances that were around and never addressed.

[Lpwned]

LOL!!!!

Ok its off topic, but I just found this out. There has to be a discussion going on somewhere else about this as well...

Bliz - 4.0.6 - Death knights
Death's Advance (new talent): While both Unholy Runes are depleted, movement-impairing effects cannot reduce the death knight below 75/100% of normal movement speed.


Face... Palm...

The TOP Cata DPSer (http://stateofdps.com/) is getting an immunity to ALL slows. WTF is going on... I don't even see any logic to the shit Bliz is doing any more.

[thedreameater]

I'm both looking forward to leaving WoW and not, come spring / summer. I spent so much time indoors over the last year on various games (boxing WoW, SC2, back to WoW) that it will be nice to experience life again.

What I don't look forward to is the cost. $75 a month is CHEAP to keep me entertained for a full month. Getting out, going to bars, movies, sports, etc is a lot more expensive! Haha.

[Lyonheart]

I'm both looking forward to leaving WoW and not, come spring / summer. I spent so much time indoors over the last year on various games (boxing WoW, SC2, back to WoW) that it will be nice to experience life again.

What I don't look forward to is the cost. $75 a month is CHEAP to keep me entertained for a full month. Getting out, going to bars, movies, sports, etc is a lot more expensive! Haha.


I tired RL once, but the grafx suxored! Now if i could 5 box RL, then i might still play it! I could get a lot more done! I would send the other 4 out to work while I stay home and play games!

[Mokoi]

How would you know that you were the one who was playing, how do you know you wouldn't be one of the ones working! check under your eyelids!

also: i have shelved my accounts, too. I'm over WoW. They offer nothing interesting after a long wait for this expansion, and when only one of my teams works and the others are complete garbage, I can't stay interested sitting in game waiting for my 15 minute arena queue to pop only to find there's a frost mage, and he's going to solo my team. Or do rated BGs to find that the mage is now controlling my whole team while his druid buddy is capping my base..

on to bigger and better things.

[Mercurio]

Somehow I missed this thread until today and just read through the whole thing.

I'm very surprised. I'm still having a great time playing and am enjoying the PvE portion of the game. This expansion is definitely more challenging, figuring out all the new tradeskill upgrade paths cheaply is difficult, there is quite a bit to grind, rep takes a long time to get, heroics are probably too long, but these things make accomplishments that much more meaningful to me.

I think Blizzard has done a great job with this expansion. We were kind of like teenagers partying with the parents away during the last stages of WotLK, but they have added in so much depth with this expansion. Heck, I never even knew what half of my abilities were on all my different toons before, and I was soloing ICC! Now I have to actually CC, interrupt, dispel, purge, move with a purpose - it is like a whole new game. I'm not saying there weren't times of frustration, or that Blizz couldn't help us a bit by adding an epic to the final bosses in heroics, but the game does seem richer than it did before.

Tol Barad dailies, heroics, achieiving rep levels and the new gear that goes along with them, farming epics off mobs in BoT, figuring out how to down Argaloth in Baradin Hold - it all seems rather fun to me.

Anyway, I hope you guys find exciting things to pursue. And if not, that you find some of the fun in WoW I have when you come back!

[Mokoi]

Yeah, merc your PvE success is fantastic, and I know you work very hard at it, and I commend you!

I do not have any PvE aspirations, as we have talked about some in the past couple weeks, and for me, im not really skilled or motivated enough to start doing 10mans on my own again, or doing even heroics with any of my toons.

[Leovindica]

Although I'm far from it. I realy would want to be where Merc is now:) So I've got alot of work ahead of me!

[Khatovar]

Meh, I went ahead and canceled my accounts yesterday. I managed to make myself play twice since my last post, and even as I was making progress in heroics, actually completing several, I just can't be bothered with it anymore. I've got Dungeons coming out next week and LotRO is free to play. With any luck, things will become less sucktastick and WoW will draw me back in a few months, but there's no sense in paying for 5 accounts when all I do is list auctions.

[F9thRet]

Well add another multiboxer with canceled accounts.

heh, not that I was ready to though. This last winter storm, caused some severe Damage to my home, And even though, I had pipes insulated, they burst, including severe damage to my hot water heater.

So, I could tap into my Cow money, and then worry about debt in the spring, or I can cancel my wow accounts for a month or two, and take care of the problems now.

Being that I hate Debt with a passion (I'm the cheapest man alive, pay cash or do without kind of person), I choose to give up WoW for a few months.

Maybe the reports will be better come April, if not, than I'll have weened myself from the game anyways.

Best of luck to you all, and I'll still be here perusing the Hardware stuff, and cheering you all on for your accomplishments.

Stephen

[Fat Tire]

Well add another multiboxer with canceled accounts.

heh, not that I was ready to though. This last winter storm, caused some severe Damage to my home, And even though, I had pipes insulated, they burst, including severe damage to my hot water heater.

So, I could tap into my Cow money, and then worry about debt in the spring, or I can cancel my wow accounts for a month or two, and take care of the problems now.

Being that I hate Debt with a passion (I'm the cheapest man alive, pay cash or do without kind of person), I choose to give up WoW for a few months.

Maybe the reports will be better come April, if not, than I'll have weened myself from the game anyways.

Best of luck to you all, and I'll still be here perusing the Hardware stuff, and cheering you all on for your accomplishments.

Stephen

I feel for ya, but couldnt you or maybe shouldnt you call your insurance company. My buddy just got 5500 claim for his basement which covered repairs, cleaning crew, new baseboards and carpet. This was a burst pipe just this past week.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I feel for ya, but couldnt you or maybe shouldnt you call your insurance company. My buddy just got 5500 claim for his basement which covered repairs, cleaning crew, new baseboards and carpet. This was a burst pipe just this past week.

If he's talking about canceling WoW accounts for two months, that's what, $150 for two months as a 5-boxer in WoW. I suspect that's probably a lot less than his insurance deductible.

[Fat Tire]

If he's talking about canceling WoW accounts for two months, that's what, $150 for two months as a 5-boxer in WoW. I suspect that's probably a lot less than his insurance deductible.

I was just going by the serious damage that he said was done. I have no idea the severity and if its worth it to put it a claim.

[F9thRet]

Not a bad idea Fat Tire, But alas, there isn't an insurance policy anymore. I had bought the ranch and a small home about 8 years ago, just paid it all off.

Our friend Ugh, pretty much nailed it. Time in for the plumber came to about 225 bucks, and parts about 75.

It wasn't near as bad as I thought it would be, and given that, I'll loose just two weeks this month, (they expire around the 16th, )I'll be good to go next month. Still sound reasoning from both of ya guys.

Stephen

[Lpwned]

Mercurio, you are amazing! Just wanted to send some respect your way.


It wasn't near as bad as I thought it would be, and given that, I'll loose just two weeks this month, (they expire around the 16th, )I'll be good to go next month. Still sound reasoning from both of ya guys.
C’mon, WoW, or running water… we all know what the logical choice is here! :p

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Mercurio, you are amazing! Just wanted to send some respect your way.


C’mon, WoW, or running water… we all know what the logical choice is here! :p

lol...so true. :D

[Lpwned]

Bump. 4.0.6 is live... I think :P

What’s new? Ele any closer to being viable again? That druid nerf bat kill all the dr00ds?

[moosejaw]

Meh, I went ahead and canceled my accounts yesterday. I managed to make myself play twice since my last post, and even as I was making progress in heroics, actually completing several, I just can't be bothered with it anymore. I've got Dungeons coming out next week and LotRO is free to play. With any luck, things will become less sucktastick and WoW will draw me back in a few months, but there's no sense in paying for 5 accounts when all I do is list auctions.

Everquest is opening another progression server next week. I have abandoned my Wow accounts and resubbed my EQ accounts to bang my head against the "classic EQ" wall. I am chomping at the bit to get going next Tuesday. :)

[Ualaa]

That druid nerf bat kill all the dr00ds?

Not exactly killed, but Blizzard seems to be funneling all Druids towards playing Resto in Arena/Competitive PvP.

Less bleed damage, but more raw damage... better chance to kill the target from burst.
So hitting harder while on the target, but for less damage from the physical dots when not on the target.

And aside from the Trinket, zero defense against Fear & Root effects.
Can still Powershift out of Snare, but that's only useful when running away... in combat any Snare we shift out of is reapplied constantly.

Balance can still break Roots, by Shifting into/out of Moonkin.
So technically, can Powershift.
But the lack of instant cast root, makes solo Boomkins very vulnerable.
Typhoon on round-robin, or Root (Druid A) + Solar Beam (Druid B) might be workable, boxing.
Eclipse is a really hard mechanic to take advantage of, in PvP.

Resto can break roots, with any shift into/out of any form.
Not a whole lot of changes in 4.0.6 for them.

[robtest]

Haha,
I was leveling my second team yesterday, five demo locks, and after a few quests, I asked myself, what the hell are you doing?
It is a grind, I abhor the phasings, break the follow, and the linear quest lines.

I went to account management and unsubscribed. Took my wife and my three years old out and had fun.
My wife was happy!

If anyone have details about multiboxing being allowed in the new game RIFT, please post. That game looks promising.

Multiboxing is fun, I enjoyed it but Cata sucks.

I will probably single box RIFT, and if they allow MB, then I will do five boxing too, I am thinking of the Defiants fraction, since i am currently alliance in WoW.

SaraiE



If you have any BG/PvP aspirations, roll defiant... I have found the Guardians PvP just like Alliance, which no offense to any realm that is good, but Alliance seems to win 1/3 at best on any realm I have been on...

[katsurahama]

I just got around to reading this thread. I read it all at once and in its entirety its quite depressing.

I quit during bc because of the honor system changes. I quit during wotlk because at 73 i was sick to death of collection quests and had no pve groups to instance with. Both times i came back but i stayed away over a year the second time. Both times i came back the game had changed significantly, especially this last time. WoW today is not the same game it will be in six months.

Having said that, I have not seen any content in the game past level 73. My highest current team is 71. I am definitely not looking forward to the phasing, cut-scenes, and linear quest lines of the 80+ areas. From what ive read on here, they suck for boxers.

After i get my numerous toons to 80, the state of the game may be different but i doubt the linear quest chains will have been changed. I may end up leveling a paladin & 4 dk group or a 5x druid group to 85 just so i can do nothing but instances 80+ for the rest of the toons. I may just use those 85s to tank dungeons for all the other teams i have. Even that sounds mind numbingly boring though...

Added: i dont plan to farm instances for badges and i doubt i will even do heroics. What ive always liked most about wow is the bgs and world pvp (which lfd has all but killed). Im not going to farm crap when the next xpac is going to drop better quest geens on day 1 or give level 86 toons double hp. What i want to do is get back into bgs and do the old raids.

[Ualaa]

If world pvp is relatively dead, you can still take a group and go to an opposing city.

Or if that is too hard, pick a nearby smaller town and clear flight masters etc.., which will attract a smaller number of higher levels based on the chat from the lowbies.

If you're on a server with a couple of other boxers... well two or three 5-box teams, can really be nasty in the opposing auction house or whatever.
Even if you die repeatedly, it will inspire them to do the same.
And over time, you get the world pvp rekindled.

The 80-85 process might be rather linear.
But the gear upgrade is monumentally huge.
And the level up process does not take that long.
Which is a major plus.

[Tonuss]

Yeah, 80-85 is relatively fast. For sure you will want to go to each new zone as soon as you hit the right level for it. I think it's Deepholm at 82, Uldum at 83, and Twilight Highlands at 84. The experience boost from mobs and quests is pretty large from one zone to the next. So you can do a sort of 'fast track' by hitting each zone as soon as you ding, then if you want to finish the quests for any reason (like gold, or to unlock dailies) you can go back and finish them quicker at 85.

[Lpwned]

So… any of you thread hijackers have anything to say about 4.0.6? Sucks? No change? Awesome?

[moosejaw]

This thread can not go under 50 dps or it will explode. :)

[Ualaa]

4.0.6...

From the point of view of my favorite team... sucks.
Having played primarily with staggered Tremors or Berserk for the last couple of years... Fear bombs hit the Druids hard.
Root really sucks, as one toon can disable the team, for a time.
Honestly, I'd rather be rooted with the team all in one place, than feared and running all over the place.
Both nerfs suck, and have taken the fun out of the team.

Decided to try Boomkin on them...
The honor grind blows at this point, without any PvP gear to speak of.
And running Feral is pretty painful, when Fear or Root destroys the team.

Feral is less painful; but have to ask myself if it is worth it.
Druids have no protection against Fear.
Might be able to A: Entangling Roots; B: Solar Beam or something similar..
And eventually they get sick AoE.



Pretty much, Fear is horrible to deal with; one AoE fear screws most teams over.
So personally I want compositions that have some fear protection, as a main criteria.
That leaves: Shaman (Tremor), Priests (Fear Ward), and that's about it.

I'm tempted to go with DK's/Priest, as the lead toon can Mass Dispel the DK's... and DK's hit hard... but the team doesn't have a lot against fear.
And Blizzard has shown, it doesn't give a shit about balance and is happy to nerf anything into the ground; is another grind of honor gear worth it?



Haven't done much with my Shammies.
Thinking of trying them as Resto x5, support role.
Not sure that will be fun for long, but it is different.

Tremor x5, on round-robin, as a raid-wide fear break.
They should be decent against fear.
Ditto for root, as heals don't require facing.

Grounding vs Casters.
Searing/Magma/Fire Nova vs Melee.

See how Earth Shields do for survivability.
With 5x Healing Stream Totems, and Healing Rain AoE thing.

5x Earth (10-mins) and 5x Fire (5-mins) Elementals, are the big buttons.



Priests are 75th, and the PvE portion will be easy, as quests always are.
Being 85th, will qualify them for the next Alchemy transmute in the next expansion, assuming I'm playing wow then.
They're Disc x5, which has been drastically improved but not sure how strong it is.

Fear Ward, for the first fear, which would be 8-sec max.
Human Racial the second fear, which would be 4-sec max.
The third fear can land, but that is 2-sec max and then they're immune or 30 sec.
Fear Ward is available every minute (glyphed) and Human Racial every 2 minutes.

Penance x5, Smite, Holy Fire, SW: Pain, Devouring Plague, Mindblast, SW: Death.
Not the best offense, but a lot of options from two different schools.

Not sure how 5x Shadow would run.
But even with the pre-4.0.6 Feral nerfs, a priest would almost always survive the full Dispersion duration.

[Fat Tire]

http://www.wowdetox.com/

[Ualaa]

wow...

2600 pages, of posts of people who have quit warcraft.
Read the first page, but that is it.

[Fat Tire]

wow...

2600 pages, of posts of people who have quit warcraft.
Read the first page, but that is it.

That site has been around for 2+ years. I visited that site a year ago and most posts were sad, one guy left a suicide note on that site. They had suicide help lines posted for a while.

[Lpwned]

That site has been around for 2+ years. I visited that site a year ago and most posts were sad, one guy left a suicide note on that site. They had suicide help lines posted for a while.

Jesus. I was about to start cracking the jokes until I read that. Poor guy.

Long term solution to a short term problem.

[Lpwned]

DAMET! Now i'm partaking in the hijacking of my thread!

Oh well, doesn't look like Bliz has any plan to fix the heap of junk.

[Toned]

4.0.6 Break Down PVP. (3v3 single toon point of view)

Shaman:
Ele still shit
Enh mediocre/good
Resto decent

Druid:
Balance Decent
Feral Good
Resto Overbuffed / Endless mana.

Paladin:
Prot - Meh it's prot it has comps that work
Ret - Good
Holy - Meh / Mediocre compared to other heals.

Priest:
Shadow - Good
Disc - Good
Holy - Oddly enough is working out fairly well. More in 2s, but I've seen some in 3s.

Hunter:
Surv - Meh
BM - Meh
Marks - Good maybe overbuffed

DK:
Blood - i guess you can roll blood if you have the right comp haven't seen too many serious teams rolling a blood dk.
Unholy - Retardedly good.
Frost - Lots of burst kite kite kite (if you can).

Rogue:
Sub - Good
Mute - Good
Combat - They still around?

Lock:
Affliction - Amazing
Destro - Medicore
Demo - Meh

Mage:
Arcane - With the strat train the mage I wouldn't even try it.
Fire - has potential seeing more
Frost - overnerfed their burst is minimal... control is still there, but you can effing jump ring of frost now it is lolzie. CC changes and Burst Changes = good luck landing kills unless you have a good partner/coordination.

Warrior:
Prot - I think prot war days are over.
Arms - Still decent
Fury - On the rise they are doing a lot of dmg.

[Multibocks]

Ualaa DKs can use their lichborne when feared or go UD and use the racial. ALso if you see it coming you can go anti-magic shield.

[Mercurio]

DAMET! Now i'm partaking in the hijacking of my thread!

Oh well, doesn't look like Bliz has any plan to fix the heap of junk.

I watched the video from the wowdetox site and read a few pages of posts. I came away a bit confused. The site seems to assume playing WoW means you are socially inept, have a really difficult life, are a jerk when you play, and have a hard time dealing with real-life situations.

To me, finding fun and fulfillment in your leisure time is something to be proud of, not something to be ashamed of. So many others have difficulty with leisure time and spend it watching TV, drinking too much, messing up their relationships with girlfriends in revloving door relationships, sitting around being bored or depressed, posting hate on political forums, or avoiding leisure time entirely by being a workaholic.

I understand WoW can be unhealthy if taken too far, but as long as you are having success at work, in your marriage, in your health, and in serving others, I think having fun with WoW is just another success.

I see many people who are dissatisfied with things, but I look up to those who can find pleasure in things as they are (even with all their imperfections).

The wowdetox site seemed to be filled with people who failed at finding fun in WoW. Unlike the posts made by members here, the wowdetox posters seemed to be taking it particularly hard. Based on the video and their posts, I think that this failure was indicative of their inability to find any joy with life in general. Looking at that site just makes you sad.

[pinotnoir]

Ualaa if you run a DK team do a pally healer. A priest healer gets ass raped. Trust me! Just having a pally there keeps people from focusing you because they know you can bubble. Your priest will die in seconds when they focus it. Trust me I have both a pally and a priest healer. With the DK's you have AMS, LIchborne, and Trinket to break or prevent fear. The worst thing on the DK's are roots.

[Stealthy]

To me, finding fun and fulfillment in your leisure time is something to be proud of, not something to be ashamed of. So many others have difficulty with leisure time and spend it watching TV, drinking too much, messing up their relationships with girlfriends in revloving door relationships, sitting around being bored or depressed, posting hate on political forums, or avoiding leisure time entirely by being a workaholic.

I understand WoW can be unhealthy if taken too far, but as long as you are having success at work, in your marriage, in your health, and in serving others, I think having fun with WoW is just another success.
.

This pretty much sums up my attitude towards WoW too - I have no problem telling people what I do with my leisure time, because it's exactly that, MY time.

Playing WoW has not turned me into a basement dwelling social leper, nor has it had a detrimental effect on my job - actually it's a talking point with some colleagues and customers. Even my boss (who is not a gamer) knows I play and will occasionally call me "Leeroy" or "Jenkins" in some good natured ribbing. :D

I definitely understand how the game can lose it's shine for some - I took a break myself in the lead up to Cata, and have only recently jumped back in, and I'm now enjoying leveling another set of toons through the revamped content. But like many others have said, if you aren't enjoying it, then you should stop playing or take a break. After all, your toons will still be there if you ever decide to come back...

Cheers,
S.

[Lpwned]

...The wowdetox site seemed to be filled with people who failed at finding fun in WoW. Unlike the posts made by members here...


We are a special bread. That’s not an arrogant statement, as I’m not saying we are a better bread, just that we are different.

The trap is there, and it’s an easy one to fall into if your life is tough. If you are in a high pressure guild then the trap is the overwhelming need to get gear. Sooner or later you start sacrificing small things like hanging out with your friends on this one day to play wow. Those small things build up.

Before you know it, you are my old guildy, who has been playing non-stop every day of his life for the last 4 years. He has nothing else to do… He doesn’t even remember what else there is to do. He suffers extreme headaches from sitting in front of a screen all day, and his social life is his contact with his guild members. I can only imagine that his physical health is poor. Physical health is important for mental health. You could forget how to live, and depression could become a serious problem.

The members on this forum are unique in a few ways, the main one being our empty care-o-meter when it comes to other player’s opinions of us. No pressure. The second; most of us started boxing because we were bored with Solo. You don’t get bored of solo if you have fallen into the above trap.
And lastly, from everything I have learned from you guys, we have very diverse lives for WoW players. I’m a WoW player who takes a 600cc Death machine at 120MPH down a race track every other weekend. I could be way off, but that’s not the first image that comes to mind when I think of a stereotypical WoW player ;)


I feel for anyone who fell into the trap that is WoW. I can see how it could lead to suicide.

/cast [target=thread] Derail

[Tonuss]

I watched the video from the wowdetox site and read a few pages of posts. I came away a bit confused. The site seems to assume playing WoW means you are socially inept, have a really difficult life, are a jerk when you play, and have a hard time dealing with real-life situations.
Yep. If the site helps some people overcome a habit that is hard to drop, good for them. But I read those short testimonials and I can't help thinking that the problem that many of them have has nothing to do with WOW. WOW isn't the cause, it's a symptom. Most of them will either return to WOW or find another pastime that will take up countless hours with no return on time invested. And from that point of view, I'm not sure that a site that allows them to wallow in "group self pity" is a good idea, and might be worse for some of them.

[fleaplus]

I used to have a friend who dropped out of college and then kept quitting his jobs so he could play wow and dota. I remember visiting him at his house, trash and clothes everywhere, sink smelling of rot, empty soda cans stacked 10-15 high next to his computer.

He was so addicted he just couldn't get up and walk away. Lucky for me the only thing I have lost is sleep some nights playing wow.

[F9thRet]

I used to have a friend who dropped out of college and then kept quitting his jobs so he could play wow and dota. I remember visiting him at his house, trash and clothes everywhere, sink smelling of rot, empty soda cans stacked 10-15 high next to his computer.

He was so addicted he just couldn't get up and walk away. Lucky for me the only thing I have lost is sleep some nights playing wow.

Please tell me you was able to get him some help.

Stephen

[Vociferate]

There were times that I thought I was bad. Losing a couple hours of sleep, and the very odd all nighter.

But shit, some of the people on that WOWDetox site make me seem like the casual. I care far too much about my job, girlfriend, and the night out at the pub.

I am going to get back to that WoWDetox site to boost my self esteem some more, haha.

[Mukade]

I've just finally run out of hope. Hoping that Bliz would get round to fixing problems instead of introducing new ones in the process of making a half-assed attempt at fixing existing ones.

XP locked BGs sounded like a great idea at the time, then they made the BGs need full teams for queues to pop, and suddenly they stopped popping. Now they merged the battlegroups it turns out the queues have been totally f-ed up from the start, with a 20 man BG needing 30 in the queue to pop. It's no wonder smaller groups are having problems getting games, and everyone is getting crap queues, when 1/3 of the people queued aren't going to get in, unless they wait the entire duration for the next BG to start.

RealID sounded like a good idea too, but if you can't do diddly with a RealID friend on another server besides chat, what use is it? It would do wonders for cross realm LFD if you could add as friends the few people you meet who you do want to play with again, and group up with them in future, instead of sufferring yet more randoms.

War Games too suffers from an incomplete implementation of what RealID could have been. It would have worked so much better if all the people on the continent could have grouped up as they want, and got games with just the kind of people they want to play with. Result, no-one complaining about overgeared heirloomed players farming their way round low level BGs. No problems with BGs filled with bads or farmers, just a social game where people can do things together, in social groups, instead of being anonymous, split up over several servers, or stuck playing with people they'd rather not group with at all.

Seems Bliz are more interested in keeping all the botters, afkers, leechers, griefers and hackers, and forcing everyone else into playing alongside them whether they want to or not, simply because they're paying customers too, then keeping all the profits while they do a half assed job of 'developing' the game, or rather developing features that look good in theory, and in marketing, but rarely live up to the hype in practice..

I've yet to see WoW really develop in any aspect despite hoping it would for a few years now. It comes to something when the tactics for a dungeon boss at the highest level read 'Just like <insert boss from vanilla dungeon>', and the one place where you PvP with equal gear to everyone else, and entirely for fun instead of for XP, honor, gear, rating or achievements, is the least supported by developers or the majority of players who worship them and the constantly imbalanced grindfest.

So yeah, 5 accounts being cancelled here too.

[Toonarmy]

.....

So yeah, 5 accounts being cancelled here too.

ummmm, yup. What you said.

I actually phoned Blizz to let them know I was done because of the a) linearity of the cata quests, b) 4.0.6, c) less than optimal pvp implementation (bg/arena cause I played on a care-bear server), d) honour boon-doggle early on. They actually seemed pretty interested in why I was leaving and that I was a boxer. Who knows if they'll do anything about it, but at least they seemed interested.

Has anyone else talked to them?

toonarmy

edit: minor grammar correction

[Ualaa]

Haven't talked to anyone at Blizzard.
Just did the cancellation, and the brief reason why in the box.

March 24th, 03:45am draws nearer.
Haven't really found anything in my sporadic journeys into Warcraft to rekindle the desire to play.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Haven't really found anything in my sporadic journeys into Warcraft to rekindle the desire to play.It's been a month now and I've yet to feel a pang for anything but the very well crafted boxing-friendly interface system that the WoW engine employed.

Best part about my current game? When I wake up tomorrow, the most popular specs for running quests aren't going to be nerfed Into. The. Ground. because they're "too popular" or some other lame excuse about balance.

Shame, really. I was having a TON of fun up until I got to the end-game grind of Cataclysm.

[Alemi]

Has anyone else talked to them?



I called them when I quit back in January to have them freeze my accounts, since the last time I took a break I got hacked while I was out. They were interested, especially when I said I had 5 accounts to freeze.

It's sad. I think they really took note when I said, "I've had Cataclysm less than a month, and I've already lost all interest in playing. I can grind heroics by myself, do bgs/arena, but it's all the same grind. The motivation isn't there. I can do everything from the inn in org and don't have to leave the same spot with instant porting. It's just not fun."

[thefunk]

I watched the video from the wowdetox site and read a few pages of posts. I came away a bit confused. The site seems to assume playing WoW means you are socially inept, have a really difficult life, are a jerk when you play, and have a hard time dealing with real-life situations.

To me, finding fun and fulfillment in your leisure time is something to be proud of, not something to be ashamed of. So many others have difficulty with leisure time and spend it watching TV, drinking too much, messing up their relationships with girlfriends in revloving door relationships, sitting around being bored or depressed, posting hate on political forums, or avoiding leisure time entirely by being a workaholic.

I understand WoW can be unhealthy if taken too far, but as long as you are having success at work, in your marriage, in your health, and in serving others, I think having fun with WoW is just another success.

I see many people who are dissatisfied with things, but I look up to those who can find pleasure in things as they are (even with all their imperfections).

The wowdetox site seemed to be filled with people who failed at finding fun in WoW. Unlike the posts made by members here, the wowdetox posters seemed to be taking it particularly hard. Based on the video and their posts, I think that this failure was indicative of their inability to find any joy with life in general. Looking at that site just makes you sad.

Good comment, I'm with you on this one. At the height of my playing days in 2009 I was also
a) playing golf once a week
b) in hospital with my daughter the whole year
c) started a new job and been promoted due to my work that year
d) took exams and passed
e) painted my whole house (badly)
f) cracked unfunny jokes on these forums.

I wouldn't change anything, as long as that balance is there that's all that matters

But I do find it difficult explaining this hobby to people. A lot of my friends don't get it.

[Mercurio]

Yep, I don't think anyone on the wowdetox site was doing a quarter of what you were doing outside the game.

[Lpwned]

I've yet to see WoW really develop in any aspect...



What are you talking about? There is TONS of cool new mechanics in the game!

New BGs! Ok... same old BGs, just different maps.
New world PvP! Ok... well, same as the other world PvP only sucks even harder.
New spells!! Alright so they are the same spells, just moved from 1 class to another.
New gear! Ok... so its the same skins at all the old crap.

WHATS YOUR POINT!

[Mercurio]

What are you talking about? There is TONS of cool new mechanics in the game!

New BGs! Ok... same old BGs, just different maps.
New world PvP! Ok... well, same as the other world PvP only sucks even harder.
New spells!! Alright so they are the same spells, just moved from 1 class to another.
New gear! Ok... so its the same skins at all the old crap.

WHATS YOUR POINT!

I'm kind of wondering what your point is now, Lpwned? I think you (and others) have stated that you are bored with the game in many different ways throughout this thread.

Since you have cancelled your accounts, why come here and reiterate your opinion that WoW stinks? It isn't like the devs are going to come here, read your posts, and improve the game becasue of your constructive critique.

Not trying to be an ass, but I just don't see how continuing to bash a game you are no longer playing, but others are still enjoying, is doing any of us any good.

[Fat Tire]

I watched the video from the wowdetox site and read a few pages of posts. I came away a bit confused. The site seems to assume playing WoW means you are socially inept, have a really difficult life, are a jerk when you play, and have a hard time dealing with real-life situations.

To me, finding fun and fulfillment in your leisure time is something to be proud of, not something to be ashamed of. So many others have difficulty with leisure time and spend it watching TV, drinking too much, messing up their relationships with girlfriends in revloving door relationships, sitting around being bored or depressed, posting hate on political forums, or avoiding leisure time entirely by being a workaholic.

I understand WoW can be unhealthy if taken too far, but as long as you are having success at work, in your marriage, in your health, and in serving others, I think having fun with WoW is just another success.

I see many people who are dissatisfied with things, but I look up to those who can find pleasure in things as they are (even with all their imperfections).

The wowdetox site seemed to be filled with people who failed at finding fun in WoW. Unlike the posts made by members here, the wowdetox posters seemed to be taking it particularly hard. Based on the video and their posts, I think that this failure was indicative of their inability to find any joy with life in general. Looking at that site just makes you sad.

I think you completely missed the point of that site. People are disgusted with the amount of time wasted, the amount of life wasted. Obviously, with the amount of time most of those posters spent playing wow they didnt have a hard time finding wow "fun" for a long period of time. Its only when they realized how much time they were putting into the game and that its nothing but a never ending cycle and that there can never be any ultimate fulfillment with in the game.

Dont bash people because it took them a longer to figure out what you apparently already knew. Its either that or you yourself are in denial.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I am in the middle of a break kinda as I have some rl stuffs to get out of the way (adding rooms to one of my properties), finally IsBoxer 38 is out so I can redo all my macros. Thats kinda what I been waiting for. Might get a new main computer, but might not.

I just play the AH game 2-3 hours a day now like I been for the last 2 months; when I get back to killing mobs it will all be fresh and fun.

I really don't understand complaints about Cata; new zones look really nice.

Once you grind levels then you grind gear; like that is something new or unexpected?

Just do more pvp, that seems the most fun part of the game to me.

Ya when you are younger you do want to do things that you have not yet done in life thinking they are all grand or something. I'd just rather play WoW lol .....

Addictions are usually defined as doing what you want to do; when you are doing something that someone else wants you to do then you can do it 24 hours a day and its not an addiction .....

[F9thRet]

I'm with Ugh here. I have stacks of games I have collected in the last 5-6 years, that I never got to really play. everything from PS2-ps3 games, to Mass effect, to Borderlands. (having a blast with that last one.)

Outside of the occassional MMO, (City of X, Conan, Fallen earth) I just haven't had the time to play other things. I may just take a break for a half year or so now, and see how things are going then.

Maybe my pipes freezing where a blessing of sorts.

Stephen

[Drizhal]

For those of us that like the type of game

http://www.gamestop.com/pc/games/shogun-2-total-war-limited-edition/88091

I remember the original total war and loved it, all of them a long the way are good (to me at least.)

Plus talk about a decent time sink per win I have at least 150hours logged on most of them.

[Cptan]

Catac is for sure more difficult for me than wotlk, but I still enjoy it. Maybe I do not expect much from a game that is getting old? Regardless, I am controlling the toons. The game dun control me.

For those that hate the game, free yourself from it, and maybe also from wow related forums. Aren't there enough good challenges in real life to spend time on? Visit us in this forum some time later.

To those creative and hardworking boxers, you have my salute. Speaking of this, I wonder how's Niley?

[Khatovar]

For those that hate the game, free yourself from it, and maybe also from wow related forums. Aren't there enough good challenges in real life to spend time on? Visit us in this forum some time later.

Cptan, this is a multiboxing forum and there are many other games out there to multibox beyond WoW. There's no reason to tell users to "come back later" just because they don't play a game you like.

[Mercurio]

Cptan, this is a multiboxing forum and there are many other games out there to multibox beyond WoW. There's no reason to tell users to "come back later" just because they don't play a game you like.

What is wrong with him saying "For those that hate the game, free yourself from it, and maybe also from wow related forums."?

I interpreted that as him saying WoW-related threads like this one (perhaps he should have used the word "threads" instead of "forums"). I'm sure he'd be happy if you spent time talking about how much you were enjoying Rift or Eve in those sections of these forums. That's how I read it anyway.

[katsurahama]

I still enjoy wow. I do think the kinds of new threads on this forum are indicative of the general opinion many people on here currently have of WoW - the majority of new threads are about Rift and EVE.

Added: if people want to quit, go for it. If you like the game, keep playing. My point was that cataclysm and the subsequent patches have not been well received by people on here. I havent even gotten to 80 once so i have no opinion on it yet other than in regards to the extreme hp inflation. People subbing or quitting doesnt directly impact me. The longevity of this thread, the lack of wow posts recently, and the proliferation of the eve and rift posts point to people getting tired of wow. I have no positive or negative reaction to this trend other than being sorry helpful people like Ualaa are quitting and may therefore become less active on here.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Considering the title of this thread, I'm surprised some of you have a problem with the obvious content. One could also suggest that you give some thought to the title and, if you might be bothered by the discussion likely to occur there, you spend your time reading threads less provocative. Discussing the game, positive or negative (within reason) is one thing -- discussing other players is something I suggest is best left to the wretched hive of scum and villainy that is the official forums. ;)

[Mickthathick]

I don't want to fan the flames further, but I think this thread has been quite constructive regarding the reasons people have stopped playing.

I'm unsubbed and have barely played over the last month. This desire to not play has been strengthened by some of the recent blue posts regarding the constant hot-fixes/nerfs/buffs with regards to how content is tested before it is released. Why have public test realms if you ignore the feedback by volunteers in these ptrs?

It seems to me that Cata was pushed out the door to meet the Christmas rush with the company putting profits before the players, which I think is supported by the pages and pages of changes implemented with 4.06 as they try to fix issues missed during the implementation of 4.0.

Seriously, no ink dealer in the horde/alliance major cities? How could that of been missed.

[Ualaa]

Myself, I've been boxing (meaning hardware or software key replication, etc, and not just multiple accounts moving between keyboards) since late Burning Crusade.

Many of the current regulars were boxing warcraft (or other games) before me.
But the majority of the regulars play or have played a significant amount of time as a warcraft boxer.

Having done the entire WotLK expansion...
Cataclysm is not that new or shiny.
The game is not horrendous, but it has lost a large portion of its allure.
But someone else, who is newer to the game... might like it a lot more.

And I have taken four or five breaks before.
As long as five months.
Usually something piques my interest.
So you never know.
Same for others, you never know.

[Apps]

Myself, I've been boxing (meaning hardware or software key replication, etc, and not just multiple accounts moving between keyboards) since late Burning Crusade.

Many of the current regulars were boxing warcraft (or other games) before me.
But the majority of the regulars play or have played a significant amount of time as a warcraft boxer.

Having done the entire WotLK expansion...
Cataclysm is not that new or shiny.
The game is not horrendous, but it has lost a large portion of its allure.
But someone else, who is newer to the game... might like it a lot more.

And I have taken four or five breaks before.
As long as five months.
Usually something piques my interest.
So you never know.
Same for others, you never know.

^ This. couldnt agree more Ualaa. Blizzard has altered their business model. (As all companies do and should to continue to meet the flow of public desire.) WoW isnt what it was... Thats a fact. But, if you can find something in the game to still keep your enjoyment... do it. Who cares? Its still my $15/mon / per account.

I too have quit several times. The longest was 10 months. I was bored. I came back because things changed. I thought, Id try them out, see if I liked it. For myself, I just found multiboxing 5 months ago. It changed the game for me. Ive done the Achievement thing, Raid or Die thing, PVP, reached the gold cap, Farmer thing, collect all the mounts, earned max level on every toon on one particular account, make the one of each thing, etc etc. Multiboxing has opened another door to this game for me.

Sure, ill likely stop at some point again. Maybe even permanently, who knows. But games are my interest. If its not WoW then it will be Aion, or LoToR, or Guild Wars, or Age of Conan, or SWKotOR, etc. Shoot, right now im reading over Viods posts about Rift. Strongly considering it.


Just as a "eye opener" Blizzard is a company. A "subcompany". Activision is a business out to make money. The reason why WoW sees its expansions and "huge patches", isnt so much to apease the customers. Really. Set aside the game itself for a min and look at business strategy. They already have over 10mm subscriptions. Even if 50 thousand people complain and say "I WANT TO FLY IN AZEROTH!!", Blizzard said. "This will not ever happen. Just too much code and programing to write." LOL - Uhhhh. No, these expansions come to counter competition in the market.

SWKotOR announced a release date publicly... Cata was announced.
Wrath came out to counter Aion.
Burning Crusades came out to counter Age of Conan

I predict when SWKotOR has its actual release date, we will see another large expansion. Id bet my accounts on it.

[Lpwned]

@Mercurio

Firstly, I admire you as a boxer, so please don’t take any of this as an insult.


To answer your question:

You may be right; I may be complaining too much, a lot of which I’m sure is not constructive. But like the title of my thread states, I hope to return. That is why I remain on this site, and that is why I still have an interest in WoW.

[Niley]

I wonder how's Niley?

Quit WoW, its been almost a year. Not planning on coming back to any mmorpg.
Got different toys now:p

[MiRai]

Quit WoW, its been almost a year. Not planning on coming back to any mmorpg.
Got different toys now:p
I dunno man, TERA Online is pretty damn sexy. :)

[Zub]

Well, i cancelled my accounts 3 months to work on some project of mine. Different time sink i guess.

My best time in wow was the first year of Vanilla, discovering the world and basically being a nub at everything wow.
Been on and off over the last 5 years, and this is the biggest break so far. All 5+1 accounts (wife barely played, and only with me anyway) gone, didnt even bother clearing up mailbox and stuff. just stopped playing/paying on day.

i'm pretty sure i'll try again in a few months, when i'm less busy on other projects, and when the babies start sleeping a bit more.. but until then, don't really feel the need to.
Either that or i'll try something completely different, to try and get that nub feeling back again.

It's good enough to browse the forums from time to time, and see how nothing really has changed in the last 4-5 years ;-)

[Kalros]

I also quit a few months ago. I didnt want to make a big deal out of it so I never posted anything here.

The reason I left was not a hatred of the game or anything, it was mostly a hatred of the grind and time commitment. I was liking Cataclysm for the most part, and the challenges in Heroics were pretty damn hard, but do-able. However, all of this was a considerable time-sink, and as I'm getting older, I just cant dedicate this much time to an MMO anymore. I have a wife, 3 kids, and a huge library of games, movies and TV that I have not been able to get to because of my MMO "addiction".

I thoroughly enjoyed my WoW experience overall, and I'm not ruling out a return some day, WAAAAY down the road. But I'm definitely done for a good long while. And I'm guessing that once The Old Republic comes out, WoW will be nothing but an afterthought for me.

Cheers!

[Kedash00]

once The Old Republic comes out, WoW will be nothing but an afterthought for me.
Cheers!

Same, sucks too because i bought 400 bucks worth of cataclysms and now i dont even use them.

[Dramoth]

I still have my 5 accounts active, but I havent boxed in months and I am thinking of closing 3 of the accounts and moving toons to the remaining 2. I have levelled 6 of 7 of my old level 80's to 85 and I have leveled my one level 70+ toon I had to 85. I am just getting back into raiding again.

With the guild I run, we used to have 15-20 logging in nightly, but recently we are lucky if we can get 10 players online at once. A fair few people have gotten bored with wow because of the issues with the instances being overly hard and complex. They are also peeved that they cant get into raids slightly undergeared like we used to do in wrath. They go in heroics and get abused because they arent doing massive amounts of dps and they get despondent and get in a huff and they stop playing.

A fair few of my guild members have quit and gone to play Rift. I am playing it as well as playing wow and I can understand why they are going off to play there. The game has a lot to offer in terms of new areas to explore and new things to do.

Hopefully after the next content patch in wow with HC's getting nerfed and some more content getting added some of those who have quit through boredom will come back.

But for the time being, I will be playing both wow (playing a solo toon) and Rift.

[zenga]

With the guild I run, we used to have 15-20 logging in nightly, but recently we are lucky if we can get 10 players online at once. A fair few people have gotten bored with wow because of the issues with the instances being overly hard and complex. They are also peeved that they cant get into raids slightly undergeared like we used to do in wrath. They go in heroics and get abused because they arent doing massive amounts of dps and they get despondent and get in a huff and they stop playing.


So they are finding the 5 man dungeons too hard and are mad that they can't get a raid spot cause they don't have the gear? So they leave ... well what to say about that.

[Redbeard]

Well lets not be judgmental Zenga. Some people dont enjoy getting punched in the face. Especially when they've been trained over the last several years that nobody is going to take a swing at them.

Some like the game harder.
Some like the game less hard.

Neither is right. Blizzard really is the only one who gets to be right here, and you can agree or disagree with your wallet.

I MO.

Anyways. Just reactivated, not out of any great compulsion but just wanted something to do. Can only play eve online in spurts and rift was a fun diversion, but I wanted to see the rest of the content i havent seen yet (only made it to 84 before i stopped playing).

[Shania]

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Originally Posted by Dramoth http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/IPBPRO/buttons_IPBPRO/viewpost.gif (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?p=327026#post327026)
With the guild I run, we used to have 15-20 logging in nightly, but recently we are lucky if we can get 10 players online at once. A fair few people have gotten bored with wow because of the issues with the instances being overly hard and complex. They are also peeved that they cant get into raids slightly undergeared like we used to do in wrath. They go in heroics and get abused because they arent doing massive amounts of dps and they get despondent and get in a huff and they stop playing.

So they are finding the 5 man dungeons too hard and are mad that they can't get a raid spot cause they don't have the gear? So they leave ... well what to say about that.

Well if they are in a guild, why arent they running Heroics with their guildies or some of them at least ?

You'd assume that would happen too ease the pain then of heroics if its like that and speed gearing process up.

One thing I see is alot of people cried Heroics are hard/difficult, because people are used too Wotlk and want too steam roll dungeons and forgot or were not apart of BC and how gearing worked.

Heroics arent difficult, half issue was people didnt know the mechanics, they dps or healers or even tanks didnt bother researching the strats and or their roles an djust expected to enter a dungeon and pew pew and be done with it.

Now hardly any CC is needed in them, most times.. for me it was piss easy too gear my x4 mages in heroic gear, i was already financial in game too buy them some epics, craft some as well and instantly heroic ready and some raid ready now.

People cried in Wotlk its too "easy" we want "BC" style back... well you got that, now its "too hard" "too time consuming" It really isn't.

I raid I'm a raider on my main Hunter, ok we are not into hardmodes yet, almost though, could have been a while ago but things changed, anyway if people actually put a little thought, little small amount too do some research to know what they need gear wise, where to obtain it, what rep they need etc all these speed process up significantly.

Honestly I do not understand why people complain about Cata being difficult.

It was deisgned more to be what people wanted, more guild related, more team based, and thats what it is.

Guilds, Perks, ... Heroics... meant to be done more with guidies then Pugs. As groups within your guild.

I seldom use LFG Tool, well not true, its used more too fill in 1 or 2 spots at most... either adps, or a tank if my fiance and I want too play DPS roles, other wise its him on his tank, myself on either 1-3 dps and or something 1-3 dps and my healer, or my kid on her dps and everything basicly falls over.

Bliz can not please everyone.

BC was great for many, Wotlk was ok for some, crap for others, too easy, too boring, too face rolling.. blah blah... we want it harder, more challenging, well you got that now, and now its too long, too hard, to this too that... lol... /shakes head and smiles.

Some time lapsed and now raids what we thought were some what difficult because we didnt know mechanics well, are now like doing a heroic dungeon, get in there and in 1 nights raiding, down 9 of the bosses.

Others are far more advanced, some others far behind, some others barely can get started because of issues obtaining players, thats when those players should contact other guilds who are in similar situations and organise too raid together perhaps.

Anyway... I like Cata. Have Fun!

[Fat Tire]

Well if they are in a guild, why arent they running Heroics with their guildies or some of them at least ?

You'd assume that would happen too ease the pain then of heroics if its like that and speed gearing process up.

One thing I see is alot of people cried Heroics are hard/difficult, because people are used too Wotlk and want too steam roll dungeons and forgot or were not apart of BC and how gearing worked.

Heroics arent difficult, half issue was people didnt know the mechanics, they dps or healers or even tanks didnt bother researching the strats and or their roles an djust expected to enter a dungeon and pew pew and be done with it.

Now hardly any CC is needed in them, most times.. for me it was piss easy too gear my x4 mages in heroic gear, i was already financial in game too buy them some epics, craft some as well and instantly heroic ready and some raid ready now.

People cried in Wotlk its too "easy" we want "BC" style back... well you got that, now its "too hard" "too time consuming" It really isn't.

I raid I'm a raider on my main Hunter, ok we are not into hardmodes yet, almost though, could have been a while ago but things changed, anyway if people actually put a little thought, little small amount too do some research to know what they need gear wise, where to obtain it, what rep they need etc all these speed process up significantly.

Honestly I do not understand why people complain about Cata being difficult.

It was deisgned more to be what people wanted, more guild related, more team based, and thats what it is.

Guilds, Perks, ... Heroics... meant to be done more with guidies then Pugs. As groups within your guild.

I seldom use LFG Tool, well not true, its used more too fill in 1 or 2 spots at most... either adps, or a tank if my fiance and I want too play DPS roles, other wise its him on his tank, myself on either 1-3 dps and or something 1-3 dps and my healer, or my kid on her dps and everything basicly falls over.

Bliz can not please everyone.

BC was great for many, Wotlk was ok for some, crap for others, too easy, too boring, too face rolling.. blah blah... we want it harder, more challenging, well you got that now, and now its too long, too hard, to this too that... lol... /shakes head and smiles.

Some time lapsed and now raids what we thought were some what difficult because we didnt know mechanics well, are now like doing a heroic dungeon, get in there and in 1 nights raiding, down 9 of the bosses.

Others are far more advanced, some others far behind, some others barely can get started because of issues obtaining players, thats when those players should contact other guilds who are in similar situations and organise too raid together perhaps.

Anyway... I like Cata. Have Fun!


http://ashleewithane.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/talking_too_much.gif

Fuck cata, gief woltk and the semi easiness that came with it. Only the unemployed or socially inept like cata pve character progression. Gear has no meaning when it resets every expansion. Only thing that has any value is entertainment vs time spent playing wow. Blizzard is once again stretching too far in one direction.

[Kekkerer]

Heroics are faceroll aoe if people learn to avoid taking damage and actually learn fight mechanics. The only people that find heroics difficult are the unprepared and under geared ones that want to jump straight into heroics after dinging 85.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Judging by the other things I'm reading and the desperate "things are fine, we're happy with Cata" posts by Blizzard in response to complaint threads... Well, time will tell.

We're glad some of y'all are still enjoying Cataclysm. A lack of enjoyment of Cataclysm does not make one a deficient human being. ;)

[Oatboat]

Judging by the other things I'm reading and the desperate "things are fine, we're happy with Cata" posts by Blizzard in response to complaint threads... Well, time will tell.

We're glad some of y'all are still enjoying Cataclysm. A lack of enjoyment of Cataclysm does not make one a deficient human being. ;)

True... i logged my accounts in right when cata was released on the 10 day trial and went underwater, drowning my toons and logged off for the last time.

[Velassra]

http://ashleewithane.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/talking_too_much.gif

Fuck cata, gief woltk and the semi easiness that came with it. Only the unemployed or socially inept like cata pve character progression. Gear has no meaning when it resets every expansion. Only thing that has any value is entertainment vs time spent playing wow. Blizzard is once again stretching too far in one direction.

Lol fuck I love those seagull!

[Cptan]

Quit WoW, its been almost a year. Not planning on coming back to any mmorpg.
Got different toys now

Niley,

Done with your RX7 and working on other model?

If you have plans to build Trike, DIY type, and willing to share your design, let me know!:D

[Dramoth]

Well if they are in a guild, why arent they running Heroics with their guildies or some of them at least ?

You'd assume that would happen too ease the pain then of heroics if its like that and speed gearing process up.

One thing I see is alot of people cried Heroics are hard/difficult, because people are used too Wotlk and want too steam roll dungeons and forgot or were not apart of BC and how gearing worked.

Heroics arent difficult, half issue was people didnt know the mechanics, they dps or healers or even tanks didnt bother researching the strats and or their roles an djust expected to enter a dungeon and pew pew and be done with it.

Now hardly any CC is needed in them, most times.. for me it was piss easy too gear my x4 mages in heroic gear, i was already financial in game too buy them some epics, craft some as well and instantly heroic ready and some raid ready now.

People cried in Wotlk its too "easy" we want "BC" style back... well you got that, now its "too hard" "too time consuming" It really isn't.

I raid I'm a raider on my main Hunter, ok we are not into hardmodes yet, almost though, could have been a while ago but things changed, anyway if people actually put a little thought, little small amount too do some research to know what they need gear wise, where to obtain it, what rep they need etc all these speed process up significantly.

Honestly I do not understand why people complain about Cata being difficult.

It was deisgned more to be what people wanted, more guild related, more team based, and thats what it is.

Guilds, Perks, ... Heroics... meant to be done more with guidies then Pugs. As groups within your guild.

I seldom use LFG Tool, well not true, its used more too fill in 1 or 2 spots at most... either adps, or a tank if my fiance and I want too play DPS roles, other wise its him on his tank, myself on either 1-3 dps and or something 1-3 dps and my healer, or my kid on her dps and everything basicly falls over.

Bliz can not please everyone.

BC was great for many, Wotlk was ok for some, crap for others, too easy, too boring, too face rolling.. blah blah... we want it harder, more challenging, well you got that now, and now its too long, too hard, to this too that... lol... /shakes head and smiles.

Some time lapsed and now raids what we thought were some what difficult because we didnt know mechanics well, are now like doing a heroic dungeon, get in there and in 1 nights raiding, down 9 of the bosses.

Others are far more advanced, some others far behind, some others barely can get started because of issues obtaining players, thats when those players should contact other guilds who are in similar situations and organise too raid together perhaps.

Anyway... I like Cata. Have Fun!

I dont mind cata at all... I am having to learn marking for CC on my tank as in TBC my main was a pala healer. And I think that the ones who are complaining the most are the ones who joined in Wrath and are used to the easy instances. However, I did forget to mention that we are getting some people who are just quiting the game because they are suffering from wow burnout.

As I said, we usually had 15-20 people online and some of those would be levelling, some would be running instances in a guild group which would leave a few without enough guild members to make up a group that included a tank or a healer so that they could pick someone up easily and quickly in LFG. So they would have to join full pug groups and on Anachronos-EU and the associated Battlegroup servers, that could take up to 45 minutes.

Anyway, I have started recruiting for my guild again and hopefully I will get a number of regulars who are interested in raiding and being social.

[Shania]

Anyway, I have started recruiting for my guild again and hopefully I will get a number of regulars who are interested in raiding and being social.

Good Luck., its not so easy to recruit now, depending on your guild level/perks so it seems on most realms.

Alot dont want to leave the guild they are in, even if they arent raiding in the guild and might want too.

We were left at 8/12 Guild Progresion and it halted there, due too 1 fruit cake I booted out, a druid tank and his buds left with him, and formed their own guild and have been nothing but never ending trouble even still.

We havent recruited well we have but not geared or skilled raiders, but 4 of us in my guild still raid, we have teamed up with a friend of mine in the no.1 Guild on my realm, one of them uses his alt too raid with us and his main in core of that no1 guild. 5 Of them, 4 of us now and 1 regular friend/pug from another guild, we all work in good sync together, now are 10/12 and almost downed Ala'kir tonight, 11% :(

Definitely got it on Monday, next raid.

If you are finding it hard too recruit but do have some players geared and ready too raid, try and approach some other guilds in similar situations where neither have the numbers but get together on certain nights too raid, that might help. Downside if you care, is you dont get the guild achievement for your guild for bosses you down unless its minimum 8 of your guildies etc.

But plus is you still get to raid, see, experience and down content, regardless I guess...

Just a thought maybe.. to help get you started.

Im on a smaller realm used to be on a very High pop realm and I miss it quite alot, not much I can do about it for some time, if ever, but we raiding, making progress and Im enjoying it. :)

[Dramoth]

Good Luck., its not so easy to recruit now, depending on your guild level/perks so it seems on most realms.

Alot dont want to leave the guild they are in, even if they arent raiding in the guild and might want too.

We were left at 8/12 Guild Progresion and it halted there, due too 1 fruit cake I booted out, a druid tank and his buds left with him, and formed their own guild and have been nothing but never ending trouble even still.

We havent recruited well we have but not geared or skilled raiders, but 4 of us in my guild still raid, we have teamed up with a friend of mine in the no.1 Guild on my realm, one of them uses his alt too raid with us and his main in core of that no1 guild. 5 Of them, 4 of us now and 1 regular friend/pug from another guild, we all work in good sync together, now are 10/12 and almost downed Ala'kir tonight, 11% :(

Definitely got it on Monday, next raid.

If you are finding it hard too recruit but do have some players geared and ready too raid, try and approach some other guilds in similar situations where neither have the numbers but get together on certain nights too raid, that might help. Downside if you care, is you dont get the guild achievement for your guild for bosses you down unless its minimum 8 of your guildies etc.

But plus is you still get to raid, see, experience and down content, regardless I guess...

Just a thought maybe.. to help get you started.

Im on a smaller realm used to be on a very High pop realm and I miss it quite alot, not much I can do about it for some time, if ever, but we raiding, making progress and Im enjoying it. :)

Yeah, people are more interested in what perks they can get in a guild these days rather than the social environment of the guild.

Luckily we made it to level 20 before things started slowing down...

[coglistings]

You really have to admit, blizzard has sucessfuly ended the "guild hoppers" from the game and it is more meaningful to be booted from or to leave a guild.

[zenga]

We are 2nd most progressed guild on horde side on our realm, and have gotten like 3 applications in last month. 1 of them was decent, but not the kind of guy that's gonna help step up our game. It's basically everywhere the same on the realm. In WotLK it was like every other day a new app.

[Lpwned]

/cast [target=this_thread] Resurrect


I would like to bring this thread back to life for its original intended purpose. The original plan for this thread was to use it as a source of updates over the course of a few months. It turned out to be the catalyst to a mass quit wave, of which I have mixed feelings about; boxers are a rare and fairly intelligent bunch, and there are now less of us in WoW :( Then again WoW adds very little to the overall quality of one’s life, so I don’t feel too bad :) More sunshine for all!


None the less, I would like to bring the beast back to life to find out what is happening in the world… of warcraft. My questions are as follows, and are extremely focused:

Are elemental Shamans viable in a 5s yet? 4 Ele + 1 healer
Have the classes be roughly balanced yet? (God dam mages)
Has blizzard started making logical patches yet? (When I left they were changing things about classes just for shits and giggles)

There is much to be said on these three topics, but these topics are basically all I care about. I don’t care much about PvE, raid progression, guilds, or questing.


Recap of where I left:
Elemental was worthless. Burst was non-existent, our survivability was in the toilet, we were manna pigs that did very little damage and had no control over a fight. Mage’s Ring-O-God-Dam-Frost was so OP that it wasn’t evens an insult any more, it was just hilarious. Blizzard still had their heads up their ‘you know where’, and refused to nerf mages to the ground. I left just as they killed druids (Shape shifting), if that helps set a marker in your mind of where I was at.

The game was a cesspool of imbalance, win trading, hopping on bridges to collect your free loots, painstaking weeks of grinding for those that missed the bridge, and a fight being won by how many mages you had on the team.


Anything changed?

[Ualaa]

Have not quit the game after all.

Played a set of Exorcism/Shockadin Pallies (five), on the horde side.
Got them up to 57th, without RAF, in five days or so (two 10% heirloom items).

Then started on the 4x DK + 1x Paladin team.
Leveled 5 DK's to 80th, then dropped one for a healer.
Played Paladin, then Priest, then went back to Pally healer.
Have been doing lots of BG's (initially, for the honor grind) and then the minimum number of Arena games for Conquest points each week.
I've basically quit the Alchemy transmutes, as all my teams either have 310% flying or have the gold for it for when they level up high enough; my main team has Vial of the Sands x5, and I have 800,000 gold and nothing to spend it on.

I play basically Tue and Mon, for the Conquest Points.
And that is about it.
I'm playing a fair bit of Starcraft II at the moment (and going through Day9 Dailies... started at 1, watched 192 last night).

But the summer seasonal work is quickly approaching.
So my online forays will quickly become rather sporadic.
Which is good and bad, as the game is always far more fun after a break.

[Lpwned]

Have not quit the game after all.

Played a set of Exorcism/Shockadin Pallies (five), on the horde side.
Got them up to 57th, without RAF, in five days or so (two 10% heirloom items).

Then started on the 4x DK + 1x Paladin team.
Leveled 5 DK's to 80th, then dropped one for a healer.
Played Paladin, then Priest, then went back to Pally healer.
Have been doing lots of BG's (initially, for the honor grind) and then the minimum number of Arena games for Conquest points each week.
I've basically quit the Alchemy transmutes, as all my teams either have 310% flying or have the gold for it for when they level up high enough; my main team has Vial of the Sands x5, and I have 800,000 gold and nothing to spend it on.

I play basically Tue and Mon, for the Conquest Points.
And that is about it.
I'm playing a fair bit of Starcraft II at the moment (and going through Day9 Dailies... started at 1, watched 192 last night).

But the summer seasonal work is quickly approaching.
So my online forays will quickly become rather sporadic.
Which is good and bad, as the game is always far more fun after a break.


Oh man… derailed in 1 post! :P So… about my questions :)

[Ualaa]

My questions are as follows, and are extremely focused:

Are elemental Shamans viable in a 5s yet? 4 Ele + 1 healer
Have the classes be roughly balanced yet? (God dam mages)
Has blizzard started making logical patches yet? (When I left they were changing things about classes just for shits and giggles)

Anything changed?


I believe Elemental gets some major buffage in 4.2, which is not here yet.
They will be able to cast Lightning Bolt while moving.
And if Flame Shock is dispelled, they'll have 90% haste which is a lot of pew-pew or healing.
Don't think they're that good now, but totems do stack and all, so probably not the worst combo either.

I don't think you'll ever see balance, they have to weigh PvE and PvP large and small scale.
My DK's are very dominant, more so than my Elementals were in late BC or early WotLK.
So they're a bit over powered in relation to other classes or compositions I've tried.
Mages aren't horribly annoying for these, as I have four death grips on round-robin which refresh often, plus strangulate and mind freeze.
Rogues are the class the DK's despise, because of Sap on one team member after the other; since Rogues can now move at 100% speed while stealthed, I recently experienced an arena game where my five killed four of theirs and then I resorted to watching a movie since the lone surviving rogue was playing chicken shit and wouldn't engage.

Mages have not been nerfed, they're pretty much the same.

Druids have power shifting with any shape shift if they're Resto spec, or with Boomkin form only if they're Balance.
Feral doesn't have power shifting to break roots, but the 83 roar ability is raid-wide and makes affected targets immune for the duration... so almost a minute every 3 minutes of root immunity; nothing against the fear break/immunity that was lost.

[Lpwned]

I believe Elemental gets some major buffage in 4.2, which is not here yet.
They will be able to cast Lightning Bolt while moving.
And if Flame Shock is dispelled, they'll have 90% haste which is a lot of pew-pew or healing.
Don't think they're that good now, but totems do stack and all, so probably not the worst combo either.

I don't think you'll ever see balance, they have to weigh PvE and PvP large and small scale.
My DK's are very dominant, more so than my Elementals were in late BC or early WotLK.
So they're a bit over powered in relation to other classes or compositions I've tried.
Mages aren't horribly annoying for these, as I have four death grips on round-robin which refresh often, plus strangulate and mind freeze.
Rogues are the class the DK's despise, because of Sap on one team member after the other; since Rogues can now move at 100% speed while stealthed, I recently experienced an arena game where my five killed four of theirs and then I resorted to watching a movie since the lone surviving rogue was playing chicken shit and wouldn't engage.

Mages have not been nerfed, they're pretty much the same.

Druids have power shifting with any shape shift if they're Resto spec, or with Boomkin form only if they're Balance.
Feral doesn't have power shifting to break roots, but the 83 roar ability is raid-wide and makes affected targets immune for the duration... so almost a minute every 3 minutes of root immunity; nothing against the fear break/immunity that was lost.

Now that was a comprehensive wrap up! Thank you :)

So it sounds like right now they are still shit, even with 4 of them, but maybe in 4.2.

Yea I started a DK team, but I have leveled at least 4 solos up to 80, maybe 3 to 70, and then the boxing team. I will never level another toon again. I hate the game by the time I hit the cap. So Shammy is my only option, and Ele as a boxer.

Thank you again for the info Ualaa.

[Yahtzee]

I believe Elemental gets some major buffage in 4.2, which is not here yet.
They will be able to cast Lightning Bolt while moving.
And if Flame Shock is dispelled, they'll have 90% haste which is a lot of pew-pew or healing.
Don't think they're that good now, but totems do stack and all, so probably not the worst combo either.

I don't think you'll ever see balance, they have to weigh PvE and PvP large and small scale.
My DK's are very dominant, more so than my Elementals were in late BC or early WotLK.
So they're a bit over powered in relation to other classes or compositions I've tried.
Mages aren't horribly annoying for these, as I have four death grips on round-robin which refresh often, plus strangulate and mind freeze.
Rogues are the class the DK's despise, because of Sap on one team member after the other; since Rogues can now move at 100% speed while stealthed, I recently experienced an arena game where my five killed four of theirs and then I resorted to watching a movie since the lone surviving rogue was playing chicken shit and wouldn't engage.

Mages have not been nerfed, they're pretty much the same.

Druids have power shifting with any shape shift if they're Resto spec, or with Boomkin form only if they're Balance.
Feral doesn't have power shifting to break roots, but the 83 roar ability is raid-wide and makes affected targets immune for the duration... so almost a minute every 3 minutes of root immunity; nothing against the fear break/immunity that was lost.

Stampeding Roar doesn't act as an immunity as far as I recall. I play a feral druid as my solo character, I'm pretty sure it just breaks roots on the initial cast. So two root breaks every ~3 minutes - one for dash, one for roar. Unless they've changed it recently.

[Lyonheart]

LB on the run? link the notes on that! thats kind of op. Also TS will snare the target for a few seconds after the knock back 8)

[Ualaa]

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=43407

Post #3.
Glyph of Unleashed Lightning (Prime)

[Lpwned]

4.2 is live. Anything changed?

[MiRai]

4.2 is live. Anything changed?
What is this thread about again? You want to know if Elemental is viable in 4.2?

[Zub]

I believe Nikita has his 4 shaman at 1750-1800 arena so far

[death]

I believe Nikita has his 4 shaman at 1750-1800 arena so far


that's Correct,

[Nikita]

Ele shamans are good in 5s now. Im really positive that I can reach 2000 rating or more this season. BUT I tend to lose against rogue teams, so Im still learning how to play against them. I lose certain fights due to not enough burst, I have countless fights where I get a target below 5000 HP, then they LOS me or gets healed up.

Another positive thing is that I dont have the ruthless weapons yet, and once I get them I will do more dmg which equals more pressure, and I can top of my priest or shamans faster if Im being trained.

Second thing is that most team doing 5s now are resilience capped, and I know certain ppl are conserned about the opposing teams will get better gear and more HP as the season go by. But remember that Ele shamans is one of the classes which scales the best with gear, eles burst will kill ppl in 1 or 2 GCD once we're in full ruthless :)

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2677/dmgn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/dmgn.jpg/)

Just added a picture showing ele shamans burst.

The rotation I used is:

FS, UE, LvB, CL, Earth Shock (9 stacks on all 4 shamans)

The total dmg done is within 4 GCD and did a total dmg of 678 358.

I popped Elemental mastery and trinkets, and ToW was up aswell

[zenga]

But remember that Ele shamans is one of the classes which scales the best with gear, eles burst will kill ppl in 1 or 2 GCD once we're in full ruthless :)

It's actually the exact opposite, hence why they buffed shamanism (which they'll have to do again upon a next tier as scaling will be poor).

[Nikita]

Ele shamans are good in 5s now. Im really positive that I can reach 2000 rating or more this season. BUT I tend to lose against rogue teams, so Im still learning how to play against them. I lose certain fights due to not enough burst, I have countless fights where I get a target below 5000 HP, then they LOS me or gets healed up.

Another positive thing is that I dont have the ruthless weapons yet, and once I get them I will do more dmg which equals more pressure, and I can top of my priest or shamans faster if Im being trained.

Second thing is that most team doing 5s now are resilience capped, and I know certain ppl are conserned about the opposing teams will get better gear and more HP as the season go by. But remember that Ele shamans is one of the classes which scales the best with gear, eles burst will kill ppl in 1 or 2 GCD once we're in full ruthless :)

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2677/dmgn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/dmgn.jpg/)

Just added a picture showing ele shamans burst.

The rotation I used is:

FS, UE, LvB, CL, Earth Shock (9 stacks on all 4 shamans)

The total dmg done is within 4 GCD and did a total dmg of 678 358.

I popped Elemental mastery and trinkets, and ToW was up aswell


Still dont think full ruthless will be awesome without buffs from Blizz?

[zenga]

Ele shamans are good in 5s now. Im really positive that I can reach 2000 rating or more this season. BUT I tend to lose against rogue teams, so Im still learning how to play against them. I lose certain fights due to not enough burst, I have countless fights where I get a target below 5000 HP, then they LOS me or gets healed up.

Another positive thing is that I dont have the ruthless weapons yet, and once I get them I will do more dmg which equals more pressure, and I can top of my priest or shamans faster if Im being trained.

Second thing is that most team doing 5s now are resilience capped, and I know certain ppl are conserned about the opposing teams will get better gear and more HP as the season go by. But remember that Ele shamans is one of the classes which scales the best with gear, eles burst will kill ppl in 1 or 2 GCD once we're in full ruthless :)

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2677/dmgn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/dmgn.jpg/)

Just added a picture showing ele shamans burst.

The rotation I used is:

FS, UE, LvB, CL, Earth Shock (9 stacks on all 4 shamans)

The total dmg done is within 4 GCD and did a total dmg of 678 358.

I popped Elemental mastery and trinkets, and ToW was up aswell

How can you have 7 or 9k dps if you do 150k damage in 4 gcd's?

[Tonuss]

Assuming that 4 GCD is six seconds, then 7k DPS x 4 shaman x 6 seconds is 168,000. 9k DPS x 4 shaman x 6 seconds is 216,000. 678,000 damage would require about 28.5k each for four shaman.

[Nikita]

How can you have 7 or 9k dps if you do 150k damage in 4 gcd's?

Did a few others tests, I know why the dps is low. I took the picture around 2-3 sec after I was finished doing my rotation, probably dropped the dps abit. But the numbers are correct.

Flame Shock, Unleash Elements, Lava Burst, Chain Lightning, Earth Shock. I used the glyph for shocks, so its probably around 4,5 GCD

[Lpwned]

Wait, so am I to understand that Ele is viable again?!?

A few follow up questions then:
What changed?
How it our survivability?
Mobility?
and manna consumption?

Or is a DK team still the only hope?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

How can you have 7 or 9k dps if you do 150k damage in 4 gcd's?

Because damage meters suck and don't stop "counting" DPS uptime until combat falls off (at least on target dummies). If you call it 6 seconds just to pad in some fudge, the real DPS over those 6 seconds was about 31k/28k/28k/26k. Not too shabby.

[Nikita]

Because damage meters suck and don't stop "counting" DPS uptime until combat falls off (at least on target dummies). If you call it 6 seconds just to pad in some fudge, the real DPS over those 6 seconds was about 31k/28k/28k/26k. Not too shabby.

Just bought the ruthless weapons on my team, lava burst is hitting for 55 000 on target dummies with a combo of FS, UE, trinket and lava burst. Ele shamans are back :)

[zenga]

Wait, so am I to understand that Ele is viable again?!?

A few follow up questions then:
What changed?
How it our survivability?
Mobility?
and manna consumption?

Or is a DK team still the only hope?

In PVE, elemental is one of the top damage dealing classes at the moment. From last position it jumped to the top. And it only gets better with gear. The 2 set T12 pve bonus means you can have your fire elemental out nearly all the time.

In PVP, mobility is great now, but still no real defensive cooldown. It's possible the global people again with multiple ele.

Mana conservation is shit, but it depends on your playstyle. You can't heal yourself from nothing to full without going oom.

[Nikita]

Wait, so am I to understand that Ele is viable again?!?

A few follow up questions then:
What changed?
How it our survivability?
Mobility?
and manna consumption?

Or is a DK team still the only hope?

The 4 set bonus on the PvP ele gear is amazing, you get lightning orb stacks by taking/doing dmg. Which means more fulimination, which equals insane burst potential.

Survivability is decent, I can survive burst waves from 3 players by using TS on round robin, grounding totems, earthbind, and the stoneclaw shield glyph.

I havent put points into insta ghost wolf form, its a waste if you ask me. But casting lb on the move is awesome, helps alot keeping the pressure up. Some fights both healers on the other team is oom due to the pressure I do.

Mana is still a huge issue, when my healer gets trained I need to heal him, and it doesnt take long before I start using TS for mana instead of blowing melees away. I wish Blizzard would fix that issue for ele shamans. BUT I often get time to drink in arenas cus of the other teams runs away to reset the fight since I killed 1 of their players. Cant wait to see what this season will bring.

[Lpwned]

It seems that I have been convinced to give it another go :) Looks like Bliz will give me 7 days free.

[Lpwned]

Nikita,

Do you use Lava Surge (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=77756)?

I have seen something like it set up for DKs where one spell takes priority 1, then what ever spell you are clicking Priority 2. Its done with down and up clicks treated independently (As separate spells).



I left before they even changed tremor totem. What else has changed from a boxer point of view?

Also are Mages still OP as f$%#?

[Nikita]

Nikita,

Do you use Lava Surge (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=77756)?

I have seen something like it set up for DKs where one spell takes priority 1, then what ever spell you are clicking Priority 2. Its done with down and up clicks treated independently (As separate spells).



I left before they even changed tremor totem. What else has changed from a boxer point of view?

Also are Mages still OP as f$%#?

No, I dont use lava surge, when you go for a kill there is a high chance LvB would be on CD on 1 or more shamans. Fights are tougher, but in a good week I should be able to get to 2000 rating. Kinda depends on the teams im queing against.

Mages are decent, I blow em up fairly quick, one of the classes on my n1 kill prio list in arena. Just train the mage until he iceblocks, switch to another target, and when hes out, switch back to him. He wont last long :)

[zenga]

No, I dont use lava surge, when you go for a kill there is a high chance LvB would be on CD on 1 or more shamans.


Lava surge: Gives your Flame Shock periodic damage ticks a 20% chance to reset the cooldown of your Lava Burst spell.

So provided each shaman casts flame shock at the same time on a target chances per tick of flame shock that 1 lava burst comes off cd is:

1- (0.8*0.8*0.8*0.8) = 59% chance per tick of flame shock that you get 1 lava burst cd reset

which basically means that if you have used your lava burst on target one, the chance is much higher that you can go for a kill faster with lava surge than without. having fs up on multiple target increases this effect even more

withpowerauras on your main you could easily create a symbol that shows up if all 4 lvb are available, or just how many

[Nikita]

Well, Ive tried using Lava Surge in my spec earlier in Cataclysm, but wasnt that happy with it. Think im gonna stick with my spec for now :)

[Lpwned]

Well, Ive tried using Lava Surge in my spec earlier in Cataclysm, but wasnt that happy with it. Think im gonna stick with my spec for now :)

There is no doubt that it is a good ability, the question is if it can be utilized well. I think the ONLY way to use it would be as a steady form of DPS. Probably bound to Number 1, where every DPS key you press hits 1, then the DPS key.

It will however add a 'out of sync' element to your team.

Ill try it out some time. Still getting everything re-set up.

[Nikita]

There is no doubt that it is a good ability, the question is if it can be utilized well. I think the ONLY way to use it would be as a steady form of DPS. Probably bound to Number 1, where every DPS key you press hits 1, then the DPS key.

It will however add a 'out of sync' element to your team.

Ill try it out some time. Still getting everything re-set up.

I use it in PvE, but find little use of it in the arena im afraid :) as I said earlier, its too RNG based. And when I want dmg, I want my DMG! I go for mastery, so everytime I use my kill rotation, I get atleast 1 LvB/CL proc divided on all 4 shamans, and thats all I need!

[Alemi]

Lava surge: Gives your Flame Shock periodic damage ticks a 20% chance to reset the cooldown of your Lava Burst spell.

So provided each shaman casts flame shock at the same time on a target chances per tick of flame shock that 1 lava burst comes off cd is:

1- (0.8*0.8*0.8*0.8) = 59% chance per tick of flame shock that you get 1 lava burst cd reset

which basically means that if you have used your lava burst on target one, the chance is much higher that you can go for a kill faster with lava surge than without. having fs up on multiple target increases this effect even more

withpowerauras on your main you could easily create a symbol that shows up if all 4 lvb are available, or just how many

Lava Surge is good, in theory - but for multiboxing it's just not that effective. Having 4 lvbs hit at the same time is far greater than getting a proc on one. Raw DPS may go up, but it's all about smashing a dpses face in with burst.

[Nikita]

Thats right Alemi, I feel the same way. I know that FS, LvB, CL and earth shock x 4 will kill someone if I have 9 stacks on my shield. And since Im a mastery whore, I get procs from LvB and CL everytime I use my kill rotation.

[Lpwned]

Ok, you guys have a fair point. I ran a bunch of 5s, and they went really well!!! I like the changes to Shammy, I must say. I had a positive win ratio! Ha ha ha.

One thing my healer made me do, that I came to LOVE after a few games was to use Earthquake. Its a manna pig, but it locks down ALL the melee and rogues trying to stun lock my healer.

My games go like this:


Run right at their gate,
pop a macro that does Damage trinket, Spirit walkers grace, and drops totems (With 4 grounding, 4 Stone claw),
Do a heavy burst rotation on an easy target,
Even if he does / doesn't die, I drop a Earthquake on my feet, then Mass hex their entire team. By this time I have a full 9 stacks of Shield,
Healer stuns some1, and I blow their face off. The rest of their team is hexed / stunned form the Earthquake.


It is working amazing!

Best part is that games are only 2 min, win or lose. Nice and fast.

[zenga]

One thing my healer made me do, that I came to LOVE after a few games was to use Earthquake. Its a manna pig, but it locks down ALL the melee and rogues trying to stun lock my healer.


EQ pairs up with clearcasting btw.

[Lpwned]

EQ pairs up with clearcasting btw.

You saying that clearcasting will null all 4? That would blow...

[zenga]

You saying that clearcasting will null all 4? That would blow...

No I'm saying that clearcasting affects the mana cost of earthquake.(so it costs 40% less mana). You get to clearcasting state when you crit, so if you want to use earthquake, it's mana efficient to do it after a lava burst (provided flame shock was on the target).

[Lpwned]

No I'm saying that clearcasting affects the mana cost of earthquake.(so it costs 40% less mana). You get to clearcasting state when you crit, so if you want to use earthquake, it's mana efficient to do it after a lava burst (provided flame shock was on the target).

^ Why I love these threads. Always something I don't think of.

I was confusing concentration aura. Now that I think of it though, will concentration aura null it? It's, what %20, and EQ is %10. I'm not sure how WoW does the math though. %10 - %20 (%0), or %10 X %20 (%2).

I'm on my phone with a bad connection, so no googleing or spell check :))

[zenga]

^ Why I love these threads. Always something I don't think of.

I was confusing concentration aura. Now that I think of it though, will concentration aura null it? It's, what %20, and EQ is %10. I'm not sure how WoW does the math though. %10 - %20 (%0), or %10 X %20 (%2).

I'm on my phone with a bad connection, so no googleing or spell check :))

With 5x earthquake down you have 41% chance that 1 of the 5 will cause knockdown (probability is (1-(0.9*0.9*0.9*0.9*0.9))*100

When you cast and take damage, it adds a delay to your spells (push back effect). Concentration aura and totem of tranquil mind reduce/negate that effect.

Earthquake knocks down players, so concentration aura should not have an effect on that.

[Lpwned]

No I'm saying that clearcasting affects the mana cost of earthquake.(so it costs 40% less mana). You get to clearcasting state when you crit, so if you want to use earthquake, it's mana efficient to do it after a lava burst (provided flame shock was on the target).


With 5x earthquake down you have 41% chance that 1 of the 5 will cause knockdown (probability is (1-(0.9*0.9*0.9*0.9*0.9))*100

When you cast and take damage, it adds a delay to your spells (push back effect). Concentration aura and totem of tranquil mind reduce/negate that effect.

Earthquake knocks down players, so concentration aura should not have an effect on that.

What pally thing am I thinking of that reduces your chance to be interrupted? (works against thunderstorm and things like that). Was that the old concentration aura that I'm thinking of?

[Alemi]

What pally thing am I thinking of that reduces your chance to be interrupted? (works against thunderstorm and things like that). Was that the old concentration aura that I'm thinking of?

Are you talking about [/URL]Aura Mastery? [URL]http://www.wowhead.com/spell=31821 (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=31821)

Thunderstorm will still knock back during AM, which should still interrupt if they're moving, right? Knockdown affects work through AM (Earthquake, Throwdown).

Wind shear is ineffective.

[Lpwned]

I'll have to test this when I get back. For some reason I have it in my head that Concentation Aura will stop EQ knock downs.

I think I have hijacked my own thread :p