Melee

[katsurahama]

You can tell from my post below that I understand some of the isboxer terminology but with a toddler i have to lose sleep in order to play wow. I lack the time to wonder "what if" or "can i do this" and play around with isboxer with no real driving purpose in mind. I have learned bits and pieces from some in-depth answers to other people's problems since i read this site before falling asleep but there are sooooo many options in isboxer. If you have only used the wizard, like i have, it can be overwhelming. Anyway, here is my issue:

I would like to make a team of druid tank, 3 rogues, and druid healer.

I usually use only the 1,2,3 buttons on everything except the tank (where i use 1 through =). I put a single-target macro rotation on button 1, a multi-target/AOE macro rotation on button 2, and a pvp/omg macro rotation on button 3. I do all this within wow because I have not been able to do much customization of isboxer. I'm the kind of person that needs pictures, literal step by step instructions that assume no prior knowledge, or videos. Answers like "make a melee ATG and change the steps" don't help me very much. I understand sort of what those are, but executing the verbs "make" and "change" are where I have trouble...


So, what I would like to do is have IWT broadcast ONLY to windows 1-4 (not healer) on RELEASING the 1,2,or 3 button. I would like to have step back (like pressing and releasing the down arrow) happen ONCE on window five (the druid) when releasing 1/2/3 but not occur again until I stop pressing 1/2/3 for a certain number of seconds.

[Khatovar]

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=26231

[Ualaa]

Anyway, here is my issue:

I would like to make a team of druid tank, 3 rogues, and druid healer.

So, what I would like to do is have IWT broadcast ONLY to windows 1-4 (not healer) on RELEASING the 1,2,or 3 button. I would like to have step back (like pressing and releasing the down arrow) happen ONCE on window five (the druid) when releasing 1/2/3 but not occur again until I stop pressing 1/2/3 for a certain number of seconds.



Create an Action Target Group, call it Melee.
Drag from the top (Characters) down to the bottom left, to put the Tank + Rogues into this group.
1. Right click on Action Target Groups (Bottom of the Top Pane).
2. Create a new ATG.
3. Rename the ATG to Melee
4. Using the arrow slider to the right of the top pane, slide all the way up to the top.
5. Expand Characters by clicking the plus sign.
6. Left click on and hold + drag the four melee toons down to the bottom left window which lists the newly made ATG.

Create a mapped key, call it Melee IWT.
No need for a hotkey.
Sends your Warcraft IWT Keybind to Target: Current Window.
1. Expand Keymaps by clicking the plus.
2. Left click on General.
3. In the bottom left pane, right click on Mapped Keys, and make a new Mapped Key.
4. Name it.
5. Click the "1" under Steps (bottom left pane, expand if necessary).
6. In the bottom right pane, right click on Actions.
7. Keystroke Actions > New Keystroke Action
8. Click the arrow to the right of the target field, select Window:Current (top option).
9. Click the arrow to the right of the key combination window, then type your WOW IWT, mine is (Hold Control) press I.
10. Click Ok.

Modify your existing DPS Keys: DPS 1, DPS 2, DPS 3 and DPS 4.
After the FTL Assist Me, (before or after the Send "x" to all windows... does not matter for this part), include a "Do Mapped Key" Action.
So they will still be one Step.
The extra action is:
- Do Mapped Key: Melee IWT, Target: Group (all of) Melee.
As in the ATG we made earlier.
1. In the Top Pane, under Keymaps left click on FTL DPS Keys.
2. In the bottom left pane, expand DPS 1.
3. Expand Steps, left click on the "1" under Steps.
4. In the bottom right pane, right click on Actions.
5. Keymap Actions > New Do Mapped Key Action.
6. Click the arrow to the right of the Target Window, scroll down until you find your Melee ATG (which we made earlier).
7. Left click on the arrow in the Keymap field, select General because that is where we put the Melee IWT mapped key.
8. Left click on the arrow to the right of the Mapped Key field, select our Melee IWT Mapped key.
9. Right click on the newly made Action (Do Mapped Key...) and copy action to Clip board.
10. Open up DPS 2, the same as DPS 1.
11. Right click on Actions and paste the action from the clip board.
12. Do the exact same for DPS 3 and DPS 4.

Create a toggle for your Melee IWT (You might not want this on always).
1. In the Top Pane, expand Key Maps and click on General.
2. In the Bottom Left Pane, right click on Mapped Keys, and make a New Mapped Key.
3. Call it something like Melee IWT Toggle.
4. Click on the Mapped Key name (Melee IWT Toggle) in the Bottom Left Pane.
5. In the Bottom Right Pane click the arrow to the right of the Hotkey field, assign the desired hotkey by pressing that key then click Okay.
6. Right click on Steps, below your newly created Mapped Key's name (Bottom Left Pane), and select New Step.
7. Left click on "1" under Steps (Bottom Left Pane).
8. Right click on Actions, in the Bottom Right Pane; Key Map Actions > New Mapped Key State Action.
9. Fill in the fields: Target "Window: All w/ Current" (Third Option from the Top), Key Map: "General", Mapped Key: "Melee IWT", State: "Off" ... Note: State is not labelled anything, but appears immediately to the right of the Mapped Key field.
10. Right click on the Mapped Key State Action we just created, and "Copy Action to Clipboard".
11. Right click on Actions (Bottom Right Pane): New Pop Up Text Action; Fill in the Fields: Target Window: Current, Text: Melee IWT Disabled, Display for: 0.50 Seconds, Fade out over: 0.50 Seconds, Adjust the color to your taste.
12. In the Bottom Left Pane, click on the "2" under Steps.
13. In the Bottom Right Pane, Right-Click on Actions and Paste Action from Clipboard.
14. Left click on the pasted action, and Modify it by changing the last field to "On" from "Off".
15. Click on the "1" under Steps, Copy our Pop Up Text to clipboard, Click on the "2" under Steps and paste that also.
16. Modify the "Off" message to an "On" message, mine is: "Melee IWT - Enabled".


Specifically what happens...
You press 1 (or 2,3,4).
Your slaves assist the main.
Every toon presses the "1" key.
Your melee toons only (they're in the Melee ATG) run the mapped key that sends IWT to each window that runs the mapped key.

Also, by pressing your toggle key, you can disable the imbedded IWT action.
When it is enabled, the toons spam IWT and will circle the target.
When it is disabled, your spammed DPS keys do not initiate IWT for the Melee toons.





Create another mapped key.
Call this something like, Healer Steps Back.

No need for a hotkey.

Step 1 will send the Down Arrow or S key to your Healer character only.
Step 2 will be blank and set to not advance to the next step for 900 seconds (or whatever the maximum it lets you enter).

Either in advanced or the settings you get when you click the mapped key and set the hotkey.
It will be in one of those two areas.
Check the box, reset to Step 1 "x" seconds from the Last Press.
Pick something like 5 or whatever.
1. Left click on General Keymaps, in the top pane.
2. Right click on Mapped Keys in the bottom left pane.
3. New Mapped Key, call it Healer Steps Back.
4. Left click on Advanced.
5. Check the box, Reset to Step 1, set the time to 5.0 or so, press the arrow to the right of the dialogue box and select "From Last press".
6. Right click on Steps and add another Step.
7. Left click the 1, under Steps in the bottom left pane.
8. Right click on Actions, in the bottom right pane.
9. Keystroke Actions > New Keystroke Action, Target: HealerCharacter, Keystroke: S (or whatever you have bound to moving backwards).
10. Left click the 2, under Steps in the bottom left pane.
11. Check the box (Do Not Advance to the next step for) at the top of the bottom right pane.
12. Set the time to 900.0 seconds.


Finally...
1. Left Click on File.
2. Export all to Inner Space, so our changes will take effect.
3. If you are in Warcraft, then do a /Console Reloadui

[katsurahama]

Ualaa,

Thank you very much for those detailed instructions. I followed them exactly and my melee team works great. The little gnome rogues circle the target hacking away and look like little demons. I never could have done it without your help. I tried this post:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=27104

but it was not detailed enough for me to figure out. Thanks to your help, I now understand action target groups much better. They sometimes randomly run off on their own out of follow range during combat though so i need to bind some key to bring them back.

Thanks again for your help. I watched Lax's videos, read your isboxer guide, and your other melee iwt post but i wasnt familiar enough with all the options to put it all together.

And now none of my healers or hunters follow the tank into melee range! I mighy even try enh shamans or frost dks or fury warriors now! Oh, the possibilities!!!

You're a life saver!

[katsurahama]

Finally figured out the Follow command for isboxer.

Alt-f if anyone else new was wondering. I never had a reason to know before using a melee team. I would just switch windows to re-establish follow.

http://isboxer.com/index.php/guides/31-guide-quick-setup-fixing-assist-and-follow

[DMan]

Are you manually managing CTM? By default it looks like there are no keybinds for turning CTM on and off. It seems when I login through ISBoxer CTM is automatically off though.

thanks for your original post. Reading Uluaa's guide is a great help, but his walk through here cleared up a lot of things.

[katsurahama]

I just leave CTM enabled on the melee slaves, as Ualaa recommended to someone else in a different post. I think the default setup through isboxer is for CTM to be enabled on key-down then disabled on key-up. I just leave it enabled because sending IWT(itself a 2-step key by default) on key-up for the DPS keys may cause problems according to some posts I read.

Spamming the DPS keys for the melee can cause them to circle the target and then run off in a random direction when you stop spamming. I just try to be ready to press (alt+f) when combat is over if I notice a runner. I really need to make follow some other key, like CAPS LOCK or something easier to press.

[Apps]

kk, im doing something wrong. I followed instructions to the T... matter of fact I deleted, and re did the instructions 4 times. Im running 37, BTW. when I press the "2" key, I simply get an error message from wow "You are too far away".

My IWT key is ALT+~

suggestions?

[Ualaa]

Do you have Click to Move enabled?

[Apps]

No I dont. That was it. Thanks boss.


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Second edit.

Ok, so Ive used this for a little bit yet. Curious. One, just one, of my toons would run to the target, and keep running, then when he passed the target, he would do an "about face", as when I pressed the key again, he reoriented and ran back at the target again. Then he would run past, and repeat this till the mob was dead. Once the mob was dead, he would run straight away off to another target.

It looked rather odd, like hes not got any breaks.

Actually, now that I type this, I had significant lag last night while playing. So bad, I had D/C's very frequent, and my Cable modem kept resetting on its own.

[Apps]

Lags fixed. But im still seeing bumble bees. My melee team just runs around the mob, dpsing and then turning around, dpsing, runs past, turns around, dpsing, runs to another target, dps's it, runs back, they are ALL over the place.

The Click to Move, thats in the WoW interface under mouse right?

[katsurahama]

You have to be ready to reactivate follow when boxing melee. They do run around like theyre crazed while you spam the dps keys. Alt-f is the default follow command. I keep meaning to change it to caps lock.

[Apps]

You have to be ready to reactivate follow when boxing melee. They do run around like theyre crazed while you spam the dps keys. Alt-f is the default follow command. I keep meaning to change it to caps lock.

OH!! so thats normal? Ok, well I feel a bit better then. I dont mind them "bumble-beeing" all round the place. I think its kinda funny. I thought I had something wrong.

Though, occasionally, one or two will run off to a mob that I havent aggrod yet.

This would be great in PVP. Right now, im running dungeons with a Lvl75 and (4) Lvl40s

[cmeche]

I have to give thanks to Ualaa for his detailed explanation in this thread. Even though the post was kinda directed to Apps.....this step by step explanation helped me out alot!

[JackBurton]

I have runoffs sometimes too. They happen most of the time if i try to CTM something that died a split second ago. I have a second button that spams down down down. I also have three types of CTM. Use Solution 2 to stop your toons spinning around a mob. then continue the spaming CTM method. Because of the Runaways and Spin behavior Lax and Ualaa kinda frown on spaming CTM. They prefer a more strategic use of it.

1. CTM - Clicked once - Simple (Strategic) Run to the targets last known location

2. CTM - (Spamed) two step - Essentialy the best of Both #1 and 3 because it has some runoff protection with the down down down every 1.5 seconds.
STEP 1 CTM and dont go to next step for 1.5 seconds
STEP 2 down down down down

3 CTM (Surgical great for turning casters too) Press and hold Moves guys towards target, RELEASED stops toons (ensure "Execute a Step when the hotkey is [Pressed or Released] is enabled)
STEP 1 CTM
STEP 2 down down down (i had to use 3 actions of down or the toons wouldnt stop running to the target sometimes)

[TheLostBoxer]

Jack Burton:Any chance you could explain your steps you use in your 3 methods for the CTM. I currently got my guys bumblebeeing the target then running off, which if I hit follow fast enough isn't much of a problem. I'm just afraid if I'm fighting near a cliff that one of then may have suicidal thoughts :P. Thanks in advance for any help. I'm slowly starting to understand ISboxer more and more. It amazing the things everyone has done with it, Hopefully I can aspire to greatness with this also.

[dancook]

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark, because i haven't boxed a melee team or used this method of commanding them. Could it be that you have tab assigned to nearest target on them, and they are running off to their own nearest target instead of yours?

Probably miles off, but worth a punt.

[katsurahama]

Ive noticed that if you press the attack button only 1 time and wait for the melee toons to get to the target before you start spamming, they never run off at random unless you happen to spam the button again as the target dies.

[Apps]

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark, because i haven't boxed a melee team or used this method of commanding them. Could it be that you have tab assigned to nearest target on them, and they are running off to their own nearest target instead of yours?

Probably miles off, but worth a punt.

This is 100% on. Problem fixed. My slaves were sort of running past the mob, just a little, then picking up next target, and running there. Now they don't run off to another mob, they just run around the target and dps it.

[tialk]

Just have to say: Thanks Ualaa !!

[pwnstarz]

Anyone have any other suggestions to stop the toons running off? It is really causing me a heap of problems. I cannot for the life of me stop them running off.. What Katsura said is true but the dps is so much lower.. I smash out a heap of dps while running to them so I dont want to stop doing that. Any help would be good, I have tried all the above.

[Ualaa]

I use all of:
a) IWT them to another target, which can even be a lootable corpse... to bring them closer to the lead toon.
b) Broadcast slave independent movement, which is every toon but the active one... a very brief down arrow press, to end the movement.
c) If they're close to the lead, I press my FTL Follow Me (mapped key) which is hot keyed to a mouse thumb button.

You can play with Strobe too, but I really don't like that.

[pwnstarz]

Hey Ualaa, thanks again for the reply. I think i will just stick with your brief down arrow press. I have been trying to run 4 dks with a priest but not having much luck as they just run off the second i stop pressing keys and try to heal so I think the clicking will have to be done and use a pally for the aoe heals.

[Pazgaz]

My CTM in wow keeps getting turned off. I followed the instructions Ualaa posted in this thread and it works great at first. After some time though, it stops responding and when I check I see that CTM is not checked.
I might be doing something wrong that causes this, but I have no idea what that might be.
As it is now, I need to go through all slaves and recheck CTM. Very annoying.

[Apps]

My CTM in wow keeps getting turned off. I followed the instructions Ualaa posted in this thread and it works great at first. After some time though, it stops responding and when I check I see that CTM is not checked.
I might be doing something wrong that causes this, but I have no idea what that might be.
As it is now, I need to go through all slaves and recheck CTM. Very annoying.

Check this.
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45283-Click-to-move?highlight=click+move

[Pazgaz]

Thanks!

[Pazgaz]

My melee IWT just broke all of a sudden. For the life of me I cannot remember doing anything, it just stopped working. It still works for quest givers (If I press '1', everyone runs to quest giver and dialog window is opened), just doesn't work for hostiles...

Edit:
When I press '1' I still get the Jamba message saying follow broken, but the slaves don't move at all.

Edit 2:
Started working again. Did nothing. When it didn't work I was doing quests in deepholme on the gunship. When I got back to ground level it started working again.

[Ualaa]

For IWT to work, you need click to move to be enabled.

The default wizard gets you a CTM that enables when you press the key and disables when you release the key.
If you use this pre-made mapped key, that turns off the CTM... which prevents the imbedded IWT from working.

If it's working for quest guys but not hostiles...
See if it works at a distance, such that your toons have to move to the quest guys.
If they target but cannot move, you know its because the CTM is off.

Personally, I set CTM to always be on.
Basically, delete the wizard generated CTM key (or you could modify it, so the CTM is never disabled).
And I have CTM enabled, on each switch.

The CTM thing, would be my guess.

[Pazgaz]

Thanks for the response Ualaa. But it seems to be broken on the gunship. I'll go there again later just to verify.

[Ualaa]

I suppose, if there is no pathing available on the Gunship...
That could be it too.

[andybrads45]

Hi all - first post here, go easy on me.


I have Cmd + I set up as interact with target, which works perfectly. I've followed this guide:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/34145-Melee


However it doesn't seem to be working, and I can't work out why. Can someone check out my config file and help me? I've spent a couple of hours on this now! I've followed the entire guide down to the healer steps, skipped over that part and then exported etc. as per normal. I think I must have missed a critical link up somewhere.


My config file for ISBoxer is here:
http://pastebin.com/xF12XgSy


Please help! :-)

[Ualaa]

#1
I'm not really that good at looking at a configuration and figuring out what is wrong with it.

I know there is (or was) a bug (or maybe new and intended behavior) where characters without the option of a melee spec (Priests, Hunters, Mages, Warlocks) would not turn to a hostile via IWT, but characters with a melee spec (even if they're not in that spec) such as an Elemental Shaman or Balance Druid would still turn to face their target.

A workaround for these classes, is a relatively cheap Jewelcrafting item: http://www.wowhead.com/item=41367



#2
The fact that they assist is good.
But they're not interacting with target.

If they're right on top of the quest giver, as in they don't have to move at all, then the IWT itself is broken.
In which case, either IS Boxer is not outputting IWT to the game, or the game doesn't have IWT on that keybind.
Or if both of those are correct, then I'm not really sure.

IWT by itself should not cause an assist, unless you have it set to.
The Wizard generates two IWT's for you, one of which disables CTM and the other does not.
The one that disables CTM, I usually delete that because I want CTM on at all times.
That can be activated via its hotkey: Assists > CTM Enabled > Sends IWT > Disables CTM.... set with steps executing on press or release.
But it cannot be activated via Do Mapped Key, from within another Mapped Key... because it has more than one step.



Assuming you haven't configured/changed too much within IS Boxer.
File > Clear.

If you have a lot of stuff set up, then File > Save As
It's a great idea to periodically back up, both your ToolkitProfile and your WTF folder for Warcraft.

Once you save your profile, clear it.
Then run the wizard for your team, or at least for two characters.
Have it generate all the mapped keys for you.

Check out both of the IWT options the wizard generates.
Ensure they're working correctly.

If you're going to use my method of IWT, you'll want to delete the version of IWT which disables/turns off CTM.

You can have more than one copy of the Toolkit open at once.
So you can copy a mapped key (or an entire Keymap) from one to the other, if you want to add something.

My toolkit is a bit convoluted.
But if you want to look at it, it's here: http://privatepaste.com/b79dfd8c2f
The "Boost" set isn't working correctly as far as assist/follow goes, probably because I just dragged characters into the slot numbers, rather than use the wizard (have to use Slot 3, for all five toons to assist/interact) but they'll all follow Slots 1 (the booster) and Slots 3 so its good enough.
IWT works fine with all other character sets.

[andybrads45]

Thanks for the reply Ualaa!

I actually updated my post just before you replied.

I have managed to fix problem 2. I think I may have missed something in the "chain" as the IWT part doesn't seem to be working :(

Any other ideas? I'd rather not delete it as I have got it into a really great place!

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UPDATE

OK, after 4 hours of messing around I seem to have fixed this! I've no idea what I've done differently, but basically what was happening was that when I was pressing a key, it was turning off CTM. No idea why.

I've changed that many settings I don't know what I've done right or differently from earlier, but here's my new config - if anyone would be so kind as to tell me what I've done differently the 2nd time!

http://pastebin.com/ZsDfsArk

[Handu]

I have tried several times to follow your instructions but my melee toon (the shammy) does not interact with target. I have set up only the first three steps just to see if the melee IWT will work for a 3-man team (warrior-shammy-priest) and if my enchancement shammy will attack the target along with the warrior. I am wondering if using the defaut WOW IWT keybinding (G) for my new mapped key (Melee) is my problem. I do see that in the modify existing DPS Keys in Step 6 I do not see the Melee ATG I set up.


I do have a ATG under Action Target Groups named Melee which contains all of my melee toons.

I do have set up as well:

General
Mapped Keys
Melee IWT
Steps
1: G-> Self

FTL DPS Keys
Mapped Keys
DPS 1 (Hotkey: 1)
Advanced
Steps
1: Do Melee IWT in General Key Map ->Melee
DPS 2,3,4 are set up the same

I am pretty new to double boxing and isboxer. Thanks for any help you can offer.

Handu

[suicidesspyder]

Ok ive been trying to set this up but for the life of me i guess i dont get it. I did the first set setting up the iwt key map but since i used quick set up wizard i cannot find the ftl key map. Any help would be awesome.

[MiRai]

Ok ive been trying to set this up but for the life of me i guess i dont get it. I did the first set setting up the iwt key map but since i used quick set up wizard i cannot find the ftl key map. Any help would be awesome.
FTL DPS was changed to Combat. If you need further assistance setting something up don't necro a thread from a year ago -- Please start your own.