awesome aoe spot deepholm

[zenga]

Leveled a new (main) goblin shaman first solo through all the cata quests. As I can no longer be arsed to do the same old quests again and again while boxing, - not to mention that i never read a quest or pay enough attention to the storyline to enjoy it - I was either going to level my 5x ele team through pvp or by aoe. While on my solo toon, I was always on the lookout for a good AOE spot.

In hiyal there is a decent one for the first level, it's one of the first quests you do and npc's keep respawning. 81-82 I've been questing for some gear, with queuing up for AV meanwhile.

82 and then up to deepholm ...

82 -> 83 in 70 minutes, rested
83-84 in a bit less than 3 hours, partially rested, partially not.

Might be that questing is faster, but after 2 collection quests I basically leave my comp alone and go do something else.

The spot I used in deepholm is just plain awesome. Mobs keep respawning and respawning, and there are about 150 to start with. Depending on the team one can do large pulls, I basically kept standing in the same spot, though with a tank and dks for example i'd be way way faster. The loot is pretty awesome as well, though I only did that while gaining mana or so. Only downside is that you don't get gearupgrades from quests, but I'll be pvp'ing only so I'm gonna craft the starting res gear.

The mobs are all the same, though every so often one of them turn into a bigger one and they hit pretty hard. Make sure to kill those first. Rested i got 2100 xp per kill being 82, at lvl 83 I got 2500. At level 84 i'm getting 2700. Though I moved on to TH to do some quests and get some gear upgrades there.

When you are done killing 1 pack, next pack most likely just respawned.

Anyway the spot I'm talking about is located here:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8697/wowscrnshot010611041520.jpg

Packs can be anywhere from 4-10 mobs. The spot is actually way bigger than this screenie. And the good thing is that these mobs can be rooted with earthbind totem + thunderstorm will knock them off the platform whenever you are in trouble.

You wanna land pretty much where my recount is in the last screenshot, as it's one of the very few places that you won't aggro packs.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7441/wowscrnshot123110181541.jpg

Enough loot ...

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8062/wowscrnshot123110181755.jpg

Felt like sharing as some fellow boxers might be tired from questing as well when leveling up another team.

Enjoy.

[Shodokan]

This will be fixed most likely >_>

This spot is great, theres another too with trogs i used before as well.

[kate]

There was a similar spot for WotLK - right in Sholazar by Freya there was a neverending respawn of undead. I wound up grinding out my last level on my DK there. That still works, too.

I don't think they'd take this away necessarily - it isn't allowing people to gain xp faster than they could by any other means (or, not significantly faster), the "risk" equals the "rewards" in that the mobs don't drop anything unusually lucrative, and there isn't some exploit people are using to avoid dying etc.

The other day I ground for an hour in a similar spot - I did a test with a potion of treasure finding and ground for an hour, and wound up getting about 1.25 million xp (rested) on a team of 5 level 83 characters, and did fairly well with regards to loot - no world drops, but my JC/Tailor was looting and I got 2 of the trinket quests and about 21-22 stacks of Embersilk cloth. Not a bad haul, but there are certainly faster and less grindy ways to do about the same.

[crowdx]

These guys are the ones that drop the bag of something for the rep quest in Deepholm.
I pulled a level 80 in here last weekend and it was pretty cool. Actually had a few blues drop but mostly cloth, so was cool for my tailor.
Using the summoning stone or a lock you can even pull a level 70 in here and boost them by either standing them up on the rock or have them way back behind your other higher toons.
Overall a pretty cool spot to boost :)

[birdbleed]

Thanks for sharing! I'm usually not a big fan of grinding but this is a great place. I knocked out the last 25% of 83->84 in about an hour.

Pali, Lock, 3xShaman

[Dramoth]

That looks like it is a pretty good spot there... I remember it from when I took my druid through there. Might have to take my shammy there when she hits 82

[Frostie]

I had a go in this spot last with a my priest (tailor) and my 4xele shamans (only green geared).

I spent exactly 30minutes there (and about 5 minutes trying to get out of combat to actually escape). the place is incredible for spawns, i dont think i really left combat for more than 5 seconds at a time. I can guarentee this place will be xp nerfed and loot nerfed very quickly if word spreads about it.

With my tailor in the group as the looter I netted myself

275 x Embersilk Cloth (anything up to 3 cloth a kill)
12 x Greens
1 x Blue (ilvl 316 i think)

(the drops would be higher but i find it impossible to loot everything with the amount of killing required to actually stay alive. Whilst killing, unlooted corpses were often dissapearing - when trying to escape i probably had to leave a good 50-80 corpses unlooted!)

If you could get a separate player (that is a tailor) to solely loot for you, you could easily make 100 embersilk every 10 minutes.

Imagine if we knew about this place on the first week of cata - embersilk going to 400g a stack. you'd be making 2400g an hour! lol

Well found Zenga!

[outdrsyguy1]

thanks for the tip, i get tired of the collection quests too sometimes for sure.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Dang I dont have any level 82 so I can't figure a way to get there, if I can get a low level warlock and 2 others I am set ...

Is it possible to fly there?

Guess I could pay three people 1000G to summon me there ....

[Sbrowne55]

I grind this spot looking for embersilkcloth. Also I use 1 treasure finding potion. It works great.

[Mercbeast]

Is there a minimum level to get into deepholm? Or can you summon lower levels there?

[daanji]

I spent a good 30 minute here the other day. I had my pally tank + 4 shamans.

As others have stated, it is actually had to stay out of combat and finish looting everything before respawns. I also ran out of mana a had a few toons die.

I found that using my Earth elemental gave me enough breather to loot everything and gain some mana back.

My paladin tank also use the treasure fining potion. He found a total of 4 treasure chests.


General Question

If I summoned a level 70 alt and used my 4 other level 85 toons to boost, how quickly would that go?

Would it be possible to pull in a level 1?

[Ualaa]

I have level 75's in Uldum.
So I would guess no level restriction, if you can physically get there.

[crowdx]

I spent a good 30 minute here the other day. I had my pally tank + 4 shamans.

As others have stated, it is actually had to stay out of combat and finish looting everything before respawns. I also ran out of mana a had a few toons die.

I found that using my Earth elemental gave me enough breather to loot everything and gain some mana back.

My paladin tank also use the treasure fining potion. He found a total of 4 treasure chests.


General Question

If I summoned a level 70 alt and used my 4 other level 85 toons to boost, how quickly would that go?

Would it be possible to pull in a level 1?

I did a little bit of grinding with a lvl 71 alt and the most efficient way I could get XP was to have the pally AoE and have him the only other toon in the group with the lowbie, once the targets were tagged, I would kill with my mage and shamans. I got about 1000 xp per kill this way.
I am thinking it would be a crazy spot to try some tag boosting with a lowbie pally.

[zenga]

Found another very nice AOE spot in twighlight highlands. Well basically a spot with a shitload of mobs that respawn very fast during this quest i was doing. Got 3k+ a kill, mobs have about 90k hp. It's east from Grim Batol (forgot to take a screenshot of the map). Didn't turn in the quest and just spend there some time killing mobs, a quick 1m k xp.



This is how it looks like
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6674/wowscrnshot010811030358.jpg

This is the quest i was doing (not the one thats highlighted btw).
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/691/wowscrnshot010811030353.jpg

[Tonuss]

Dang I dont have any level 82 so I can't figure a way to get there, if I can get a low level warlock and 2 others I am set ...

Is it possible to fly there?

Guess I could pay three people 1000G to summon me there ....
You can't fly there. The first time you go there is via a cinematic/cutscene where an NPC flies you into the zone similar to Hyjal (ie, a portal, but not player-usable).

But you can port in lower-level players with a warlock and two others. My guess is that if they nerf it, it will be that way (not allowing players under level X to be ported in) or by screwing around with respawns or experience gain. But if you look around, there seem to be plenty of places where you can grind quickly. I think that in part because the quest progression forces players down a specific path, Blizzard has allowed the respawn rate to remain pretty high. I get insta-respawns in zones even when there are only two or three other people questing. It's annoying as a solo player, but multi-boxers get the benefit of almost constant spawns.

It still doesn't make collection quests enjoyable, but it makes them a bit faster sometimes.

[Sam DeathWalker]

It has seemed the theory for years now if a mob is needed for a quest it respawns very fast so people don't stand around waiting all day waiting for spawns.

They never nerfed the tables at IC so why would they nerf this? The nerf will be that the mobs won't drop anything worth to farm for gold if anything.

I think I should be able to find someone to warlock port me in for 3-5 truegolds when the time comes.

And ya I'll be bringing some level 1's for sure. It will increase the radius mobs will run to me.

[zenga]

The mobs at the shore in TW that were used by athene for his world first lvl 85 got nerfed.
Mage tables was nerfed as well as far as I know at some point (I believe as soon as you get aggro while being on your mount you got knocked off), though not sure.

[daanji]

It has seemed the theory for years now if a mob is needed for a quest it respawns very fast so people don't stand around waiting all day waiting for spawns.

They never nerfed the tables at IC so why would they nerf this? The nerf will be that the mobs won't drop anything worth to farm for gold if anything.

I think I should be able to find someone to warlock port me in for 3-5 truegolds when the time comes.

And ya I'll be bringing some level 1's for sure. It will increase the radius mobs will run to me.

I just brought my main team to the Stonecore meeting stone in Deepholm. So it took two my of guys to summon my Level 59 warrior. Since my warrior is Level 59, he can't fly. No problem though, my main has the RAF rocket mount that has a passenger seat! So he hitched a ride over to the platform. I got him up to 60 is no time.

[wrs]

So I went to try the OP's AOE spot. First off, I had to make a bit of a guess as the first two images appear to be missing now. From what I researched, it appears this is Verlok Stand, although I did not see any of the mushroom tenders here, so I might be in the wrong spot. The pillartumblers do spawn rapidly here, however, I didn't seem to be able to loot them. Thoughts?

[wrs]

Never mind. I've sussed it. Or so I think. I was at the bottom where they were falling to, not where they were spawning at. I'll give it a try.

[zenga]

Yeah it's up on the platform. I could still loot the mobs as of 2 days ago.

[lans83]

There was a similar spot for WotLK - right in Sholazar by Freya there was a neverending respawn of undead. I wound up grinding out my last level on my DK there. That still works, too.


I think they changed this spot right before Cataclysm launched. I used to grind this spot with my main pally team for gold and cloth. Read in I think 4.0 patch notes or hotfixes that they changed these to no longer drop any items. Too many people farmed this spot for gold. I disenchanted all the greens I found, but if I had sold them, I probably would have made double what I made from money drops and vendor trash alone. First attempt, goofed off a bit, netted me around 200g/hr, not selling greens. Would have been higher, but I used dust for Enchanters.

[sparvath]

gonna test this spot after work today. sounds awesome

EDIT: just tested it for an hour. super place still

[Starbuck_Jones]

Deepholm also has a quest chain, that near the end the fat earth princess lady sends you off to a big battle with the rest of the rock guys and the Earthen Ring. Tons and Tons of good and bad guys fighting, Respawn was pretty much instant and they all dropped loot and xp. I ground there for a while and it was a lot easier and safer because you had 3-4 other npc's helping you out.

The Hatred runs Deep I think is the quest in Deepholm that im talking about.
http://www.wowhead.com/quest=26376#comments

The OP spot is also a great spot to farm the love tokens right now as well.

[Tight]

well it works great still.. :)

[katsurahama]

This still works.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

What no longer works: the quest for the earthen queen or the masses of guys on the bridge/platform over by the shrooms?

[F9thRet]

Just checked the Spawn point, and it was still working for me.

Stephen

[katsurahama]

The first time I went here I got no XP. I went to the spot in Deepholm up on that raised platform mention in the OP. I killed a bunch of the mobs and none gave XP or loot. They were not lootable.

I went here a second time and cleared a little further from the recommended landing area. The mobs started giving XP and were lootable. They will spawn faster than you can loot them. If you had a second person to do nothing but loot, they probably could loot literally nonstop once you get going.

Also, I never run out of mana or have to drink. Even in dungeons unless I wipe. This place will eventually wear you down to the point your healer has to take a break to regain mana. The mobs come that fast and plentiful.

I got the last half bubble of 83 in maybe FIVE minutes. I pulled far packs that would drag others with them as they came to me. I hellfired on the lock whenever I consecrated on the pally tank.

[katsurahama]

Around 20% into 84 now on my highest team. I absolutely love this spot. Nobody is going to bother you here because they'll die within seconds solo.

I usually hate grinding. I almost always prefer questing and dungeons even if it takes longer because its so repetitive. This spot is great though because its so damn efficient. I'm only getting 2500k exp per kill, including rest bonus, but the mobs are unlimited and respawn quickly. Its fun to sometimes see how big a pull you can handle. I sometimes run the pally through several big groups and then use lay on hands right when i get back to the slaves to get a massive crowd of them. If I was any good at using a mage (im not) then it would be fun to ice lance a huge number of them and iceblock in front of my group.

There is no travel or even drinking involved if your group is a good mix. I usually take a minute or so break every few minutes just to loot some mobs to break up the monotony. They drop plenty of cloth and the occasional green. Very rarely i need to stop long enough to let my priest channel that hymn that regens mana. I do have pounce in my cat druids macro so extremely rarely the targeting gets messed up and she pounces after one the mobs who do the suicide jump.

This spot is great. I log out on the platform. When I log back in I know I can immediately start getting XP. Thanks so much for posting this, Zenga.

[Shania]

lol Im off to try this, with my old 80 shammy and bringing in a 59 lock and my 3 85 mages with treasure potion on 1 and see what happens, awesome stuff, thx

[Toonarmy]

I'd rather grind out key-press 2 for hours on end while watching some inane 80's movie than do collection quests. This is, as the great man says, winning. Ironically it might be exactly what I need to resub.

Toonarmy

[katsurahama]

Im with you there, Toonarmy. God i hate collection quests and there are so damn many of them in cata.

Im going to do this with my next team as soon as i can get to deepholm.

Hell ive already got a lock who can go there so actually im set. The benefits of mixed groups!

The mobs are all level 83, i believe, and the pulls can be as small (3-4) or as large (15+) as you want. You may have an issue with aggro radius for a level 80 though.

[zenga]

You guys want my paypal? :D:D

j/k glad you enjoy it

Anyway, I start to enjoy my paladin again since I recently started to play him solo as pvp prot and I'm having a blast in arena/bg's. The 4.0.1 changes turned me down and made me shelf him. So considering now to boost some new teams there. I actually forgot about the place completely.

[Noids]

How do you guys get to Deepholm at lvl 80 or do you wait until you're high enough to go there through the portal?

[sparvath]

How do you guys get to Deepholm at lvl 80 or do you wait until you're high enough to go there through the portal?

just have one of your 83+ characters summon them using instances portal. Level requirement has been removed on all summoning stones.

I summoned a level 70 rogue that way. and then I could set his heartstone to the temple.

[Nikita]

Awesome, gonna grind the last 40 % to lvl 85 on my 4 hunters :) is bringing a healer needed for this?

[katsurahama]

Probably not for you since you can heal your pets. Its worth a try. I started using lightwell and now my priest just stands there most of the time. I dont know how well pets can hold aggro on packs of mobs. MultishotX5 may take a large percentage of their health. All the mobs are melee so they may not oblige you and willingly stand at range.

For other people, your tanks armor will wear out surprisingly soon. I was there a few hours and noticed it when i suddenly couldn't cast avenger's shield anymore because my shield was broken.

[Toned]

I didn't get a chance to try this spot, but my next team I'm definately going to give this area a try. Right now I use the random dungeon grind method for leveling :)

[coglistings]

I usually get asked to leave this spot by someone farming there when I am doing the daily bag drop quest out there :D

[katsurahama]

Asked to leave? Are you talking about the area under the raised platform? We're talking about the raised area. A single toon would get overrun up there.

UPDATE: i tried to see how big a pull i could get at one time. I started running from one end to another, tagging grouos of three and four mobs. I ran back to my slaves, hit lay on hands, then consecrate, then started dpsing them down one at at time, aoeing periodically to keep them all interested (hellfire, consecrate, holy nova, arcane explosion). The mobs will reset if not killed within a certain time period. I havent timed it but it has happened to me several times when trying to get the biggest group possible just for fun. They eventually evade and reset if you get huge crowds. Even if theyve been damaged.

[coglistings]

not if they are a warrior, a descent warlock, or especially if they are a pally. I think I have even been asked to leave by a huntard.

there are a few areas where you can sit and drink without pulling more mobs. also, their spawn rate wouldn't be as high as a boxer's since their kill their time to kill their target is much higher.

since you asked :D

edit: yep, the raised area and not the area below

[zenga]

You can attack on several sides, without disturbing eachother, think 3 multiboxers could easily farm there w/o bother eachother

@katsu

Quite soon after discovering this spot I boosted a lowbie pally alt there. Had a 2 friends there as well, both playing their frostmage (they would loot the mobs for the cloth, i was just interested in the xp). I would tag mobs with my dk or pally using there rocket 2 seater (the raf one), lowbie sitting in the back. Fly over the mobs so you aggro them (not really a prob with lowbie) and kite them to frost mages. Root them + aoe. It's sick xp. The occasional time where I'd screw up i could bop the lowbie. Not sure if this still works.

[katsurahama]

Ive only seen one other person here during several hours of grinding, it was a geared 85 rogue. They used that rogue aoe ability right when id pull to try to tag some of my mobs. They died a couple times accidentally pulling crowds that had respawned then they left. A couple people have been flying by and stopped to watch me for a couple minutes. Otherwise i havent seen anyone up top.

Zenga: what level was the low pally and what kind of xp per kill did they get?

[zenga]

did 45-70 in a few hours, can't recall actual xp / kill
not even sure if you can still fly in cata zones with lowbie on the back of your mount

[Mercbeast]

Still works. Running 4 enhance shamans + 1 85 DK, it gets dicey and I can easily wipe myself but I'm doing about 750k an hour which is nearly 2x as fast as questing with 4 characters.

Additionally, with IWT setup for my melee spam, the drones loot probably 60-70% of the kills on their own.

[Knytestorme]

Might try this for my next group after I finish scholo grinding them. Just gotta work out how to get lowbies up there without flying and without the RAF accounts being linked to my main.

[zenga]

Additionally, with IWT setup for my melee spam, the drones loot probably 60-70% of the kills on their own.

lol nice one

[mikekim]

Might try this for my next group after I finish scholo grinding them. Just gotta work out how to get lowbies up there without flying and without the RAF accounts being linked to my main.

how about the guild perk http://www.wowhead.com/spell=83967

[Mercbeast]

Might try this for my next group after I finish scholo grinding them. Just gotta work out how to get lowbies up there without flying and without the RAF accounts being linked to my main.

Unless you are running an uber PvE'd out paladin or something, this spot will overwhelm a team of lowbies + one power leveler.

This spot is no joke, even with 4 Shamans + a DK the DK will die if I get 2-3 packs.

[Gomotron]

Unless you are running an uber PvE'd out paladin or something, this spot will overwhelm a team of lowbies + one power leveler.

This spot is no joke, even with 4 Shamans + a DK the DK will die if I get 2-3 packs.

Man I am so relieved reading that post. I went up there at 83 looking to score some serious XP and got my arse handed to me (DK + 4 Elesham). I limited my pulls and it worked better but then I was not pulling very good XP.

I may still be a lame MB'er, but just not totally lame.

[Moorea]

yes guild perk summon works fine there

[EaTCarbS]

I run 9 down there - spam attacks with 8 and just loot with my tailor who is sporting potion of treasure finding. Haven't found a better place to grind yet.

[Lyonheart]

yes guild perk summon works fine there

Until its removed in MoP 8(... back to parking Warlocks at favorite farming locations 8)

[Apps]

Apps locks got into Deepolm last night. I was too tired to go try the spot straight away, and wanted to give it a fair opportunity.
5XLocks (affliction for leveling) is a "DoT DoT Pass, DoT DoT Pass"

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[MiRai]

5XLocks (affliction for leveling) is a "DoT DoT Pass, DoT DoT Pass"

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I don't think neither Smokey nor Craig plays a Warlock...

[traedoril]

Anyone got the COords for this location?

[Apps]

Anyone got the COords for this location?

I could be sorely mistaken, however arent the coordinates shown on the OPs screen shots?

[MiRai]

I could be sorely mistaken, however arent the coordinates shown on the OPs screen shots?
You are not mistaken... they're there.

[traedoril]

Yep I fail thanks

[Mokoi]

I have been farming another spot, where you can stand, far from the mobs, and gather as few as 2, or as many as 15 mobs at once, with reset timers about the same, giving you enough time to drink on a healer or on your casters as you like. I'll make a video of the spots I know of soon.

I think... the thing about this area, is you need some gear to kill / survive the mobs properly. if you don't have the gear, you will die!

If you grind from 80+ around here, you should just buy some of the green 78-82 greens that are cheap, ilvl 278+ and then you will survive easily. Especially since you won't have any gear from questing if you grind here (I always buy any ilvl 308+ blues I see for my toons, they are gold all the way to 85)

[zenga]

I think... the thing about this area, is you need some gear to kill / survive the mobs properly. if you don't have the gear, you will die!

If you grind from 80+ around here, you should just buy some of the green 78-82 greens that are cheap, ilvl 278+ and then you will survive easily. Especially since you won't have any gear from questing if you grind here (I always buy any ilvl 308+ blues I see for my toons, they are gold all the way to 85)
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If you have a BS you can make a decent green plate suit for your tank (http://www.wowhead.com/items=4.4?filter=na=Hardened+Obsidium;minle=272;ma xle=350;cr=128;crs=3;crv=0;eb=1). It's requires like 15 elementium bars per piece, dirt cheap. And it's more than enough to survive at this spot at lvl 80 (provided you can summon your 80 there).

[Kojii]

I headed out there last night with my dk and 4 79 shamans not bad at all. I thought I have the same idea with druids at 70, bad idea lol they were getting 945xp with RAF too.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well the picture says it all. To clarify a bit the mobs that drop down from the platform dont give exp as they are in combat with the giant things, It looks like they are at war with the crystal giants who are knocking them off the platform, they fall and are injured and stunned so they dont give exp. They all have the same name tuber or something. Mobs on the platform though do give level 83 experince.

You can see the best pulling spot from the coodenates in the picture. You might also notice my ping, ui, members in my guild, and my gold heh ....


http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4916/deepholm.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/deepholm.jpg/)
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[zenga]

End of the expansion, deathwalker is discovering the cata zones. Seen the same in wotlk :)

[Kojii]

So when the AOE loot comes will we be able to use it there? Or is it just for dungeons?

[MiRai]

So when the AOE loot comes will we be able to use it there? Or is it just for dungeons?
AoE looting will be active everywhere.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya Im late to cata for sure but I should be all 27 level 85 by mop. I used to be a leader in new expansions:

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9765

It sooo nice to not have to loot at all, saves a LOT of time.

[MiRai]

Ya Im late to cata for sure but I should be all 27 level 85 by mop. I used to be a leader in new expansions:

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9765

It sooo nice to not have to loot at all, saves a LOT of time.
In a few weeks the XP required-to-level will decrease for at least levels 81-85.

[valkry]

In a few weeks the XP required-to-level will decrease for at least levels 81-85.

I'm lvling a 2nd prot pally the old fashioned way, I doubt that change will make it to live before i get through those levels... oh well lol

[Starbuck_Jones]

Nice pic. I like the big pile of bones in the bottom right.

[olibri1]

In a few weeks the XP required-to-level will decrease for at least levels 81-85.
Do you have a source for this? I can't find this anywhere. If you are referring to the Beta xp changes, I didn't notice any statement that this would go live. The stated purpose of the change was for test purposes.

[MiRai]

Do you have a source for this? I can't find this anywhere. If you are referring to the Beta xp changes, I didn't notice any statement that this would go live. The stated purpose of the change was for test purposes.
No, there is no Blizzard source yet, but the change was just made with one of the latest beta builds. Why would they bother to lower the experience needed to level so late in the beta if they had no intention of making it live? And when have they not nerfed prior expansion experience when a new one was released?

The announcement on lowering XP needed for Wrath came out after 4.0.1 was already on live servers and about 3 weeks before Cata (4.0.3a) actually went live - http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/11/18/wrath-experience-needed-to-level-reduced-by-20/

[Sam DeathWalker]

I found the little nich kinda near the bridge and am getting even more exp. Its just insane. Just constant pulling and killing non stop.
http://samdeathwalker.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=189&stc=1&d=1345687047

http://samdeathwalker.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=190&d=1345686962&cmps=1

[valkry]

I found the little nich kinda near the bridge and am getting even more exp. Its just insane. Just constant pulling and killing non stop.
http://samdeathwalker.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=189&stc=1&d=1345687047

http://samdeathwalker.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=190&d=1345686962&cmps=1
How is your team progressing mate? Are you doing this method to lvl the rest of the way to 85 now?

[Sam DeathWalker]

3 are under level 70
2 are level 85
22 are 81/82

and ya I should have all to 85 by mop with this method. I dont put the under level 70s there though as mobs will just come from to far, Ill get them rested and then back to the first spot.

[dancook]

What are you going to do with 27 level 85s?

Raids, Wpvp, bgs?

[valkry]

3 are under level 70
2 are level 85
22 are 81/82

and ya I should have all to 85 by mop with this method. I dont put the under level 70s there though as mobs will just come from to far, Ill get them rested and then back to the first spot.
Are you able to summon them in to a ledge nearby thats close enough for xp but far enough away to not proximity aggro, and have them in the same group as the person tagging the mobs?

[zenga]

What are you going to do with 27 level 85s?

Level them to 90 by the end of mop!

[dancook]

Level them to 90 by the end of mop!

Mindless grind of none-elite trash mobs in one place until Blizzard turn off the servers.. and this is how you become the best boxer in the world? ;)

[MiRai]

Mindless grind of none-elite trash mobs in one place until Blizzard turn off the servers.. and this is how you become the best boxer in the world? ;)
Sam's not the best, Prepared is. Sam's just the BoXXoR RoXXoR; but even then his pool of accounts has been dwindling over the years.

[Sam DeathWalker]

The first step is to get all to level 85, and ya it’s a mindless grind.

I could do AV with maybe 15 at a time which is a lot more fun, I’ll see during AV weekend.

I do plan to try raids as well but again the first step is to get all to 85 first. It is going to help to be GM of a full guild. If I find I can’t say off tank or heal or whatever I have 900 people to help or come up with a better strat.

Prepared and tons of others are still way ahead of me (I guess the most reasonable comparison is who can take down the strongest mob with their crew, and a level 83 mob is crap obviously, not even sure I can kill gammon yet) but I grow stronger daily.

Let’s see how mages / priests do as compared to the classes others have chosen when the time comes.

I think I can say though, absent SS to the contrary, that I am gaining exp faster than anyone in wow ever has (not counting granting raf levels doh) as there is really no other location in the game that I know of where the mobs respawn so fast and there are so many of them. That includes questing, instance boosting or whatever method. And that’s no small feat.

Ya well prepared is planning to move to the free GW2 from what I understand. Ya I went from 36 shaman (what an error) to 27 because at some point the cost of the accounts starts to wear on a person, so I just cut back to save costs. I look to the long term.

Ill check if the ledge on the other side which has a non agro spot is close enough (looks like 50 yards as a wild guess) to get exp, I hope so.

[daanji]

Sam. It has been 2 years since Cata came out and you're still not level 85. Yet, you are going to be level 85 in ~1 month before MoP comes out on all 27 toons?

I only have 5 accounts, yet I managed to level 25 (5x teams) to level 85 by playing casually (1-2 hours a night and a bit more on the weekend). You may play less than I do, perhaps not. If you do play more, I'd suggest analyzing you leveling strategies as they clearly aren't paying off.

I think it would be more cost effective to level 5-6 teams of 5 and doing account transfers rather than keeping 27+ accounts live for 2 years and still not reaching 85.

I was really hoping you'd reached max Level this expansion and show us some good videos. As in Wrath, I am disappointed.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I stoped exping for over a year, getting gold, saving fees, fixing computers, and running my guild, while taking care of RL stuffs. So although I was playing every day it was not on getting exp. Now I am getting exp. I figure I am getting over 1 million exp per hour on 4 guys (over 4 million total, and that is normal not rested exp!) (the tank/tagger is level 85). Another way to consider it is that I am losing 1 percent durability per 10 mintutes on the tank/tagger, not from dieing but just from being hit .....

[valkry]

I stoped exping for over a year, getting gold, saving fees, fixing computers, and running my guild, while taking care of RL stuffs. So although I was playing every day it was not on getting exp. Now I am getting exp. I figure I am getting over 1 million exp per hour on 4 guys (over 4 million total, and that is normal not rested exp!) (the tank/tagger is level 85). Another way to consider it is that I am losing 1 percent durability per 10 mintutes on the tank/tagger, not from dieing but just from being hit .....
I can do 4 mil xp/hour on 1 char 84-85 no sweat. Was boxing my 4 shams at 2.8mil xp/hour each 84-85 when I lvled them up ages ago

Edit: But... people at that spot you are at now, with a group of 5, were doing way over that

[Sam DeathWalker]

Thats just an estimate, I did max 2 million per hour just on my tank at one point. Well when they hit 83 Im going to try and stand on the thin part between the two platforms, thats where the maximum mobs will be. Were you able to stand there and kill all the repops?

Lets see its been like 40 hours to get 2 levels on 24 guys; about one level (81 ish) per hour on one guy average it seems.

At any rate ill be all 85 by Mop easy.

[roddo]

All talk no walk, thats the great sam deathtalker. in alot less than the time you've spent not getting to 85, you could have rafed a 5 man account to 80, taken the tank and boosted 4x9 of whatever class ya wanted to 80, then account transfered, and also saved money in the process, then done your crazy ass ineffecient tag boosting scheme. Hundreds of players have posted here over the years, only one levels your way and none but you levels as slowly. The surest sign of being bat shit crazy is repeatedly redoing something the same exact way multiple times and expecting the results to change, especially when they never do.

[thefunk]

Love your maths.

I took 33 hours to boost 4 toons from 1-80, that's 6 minutes per toon per level.

e=MC3

[zenga]

I think I can say though, absent SS to the contrary, that I am gaining exp faster than anyone in wow ever has (not counting granting raf levels doh) as there is really no other location in the game that I know of where the mobs respawn so fast and there are so many of them.

What I wonder is if you are really serious when you make statements like this, or are you just trolling?

[Sam DeathWalker]

Lower levels take less time then higher levels.

We all know where the spot is, take yur crew and post a photo if you think you can kill mobs faster then I have/did.

Sure take 5 level 81 shaman there and kill mobs faster then 17 mages, right.

If you have a faster method to get from level 80 to level 85 lets see it, raf obviously is out.

If you can do it better then I can then lets see you can stand on the thin part between the two platforms, dont bring a bunch of level 85s is going to be there cause you dont get exp at level 85. Bring your level 85 boosters and some level 80 to 84s and lets see if you can keep them alive there for 1/2 hour. Post the SS then Ill believe you.

If you are questing show a few quests and what your exp per hour is, in the level 80-84 range.

I am sure all the readers of this forum are interested in the fastest way to get from 80 to 85.

[cmeche]

Dude, I and countless others here have had multiple 5man teams at 85 for a looooong time. Hell, look at "he who is not to be mentioned". Not just alot of toons at 85....but geared also.
Its your money, you can do whatever you want with it. I just feal bad for you that you have the accounts but do absolutely nothing with the current content.......always playing catch-up to past content.

Friday Pro Tip of The Day:
Just upgrade to Panda on 5 accounts! Get at least 1 toon on each account to 90 before you upgrade more accounts.
If you dont follow this, then prepare for the same situation you are in now, but at the end of Mop.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Even us slow people went from 80-85 on a 5-man team in a casual week or two. Hell, my druids did it in about 1 week of a couple hours a night and a long weekend at the end, and that was doing every stinking collection quest in Cataclysm zones. 5 teams should have taken no more than a few months even doing it the slow way.

[roddo]

No ones going to be able to tell Sam anything he'll actually listen to, he came into WoW with claims he had the secret to how to be the best, and all hes delivered is excuses and shit for results. Tag grinding is the single shittiest way to level, if it wasn't he'd have 27 85's. In the time he's played he could have soloed 27 characters to 85.

[JohnGabriel]

Easier with multiple teams since you can be questing with one while the others are soaking up the 200% rested exp.

Its just really boring to do all the quests so many times.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Lets see the person who was first to level 85 didnt do it questing. And he did it my way a year after I posted on this forum about it:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/19496-Tag-Boosting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcD5rQJONV4

"I only have to tag"

"Outside Mob Tagging"

Each level 83 mob gives about 1200 non rested exp (with group bonus) to a group of one 85 and four level 81 or roughly about 5000 exp total, not considering rested. Pulls of 20 mobs are simple and the spawn rate is well Im going to time it.

If you have some actual math or SS and not "DeathWalker should be level ... by now" to support the contention that there is a faster method then mob tagging (as long as you have enough out of group helpers so that you can kill the mobs really fast) lets see it.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ok 21 mobs on a easy 90 second repop/kill timer.

1200 exp per mob per level 82 in a 5 man group (with guild standard, with group bonus, without rested).

You can figure out which is faster with that infos.

Roughly that is about 4 million TOTAL exp per hour at level 82. If you have 4 guys getting exp that is 1 million per guy.

Are quests doing better then 4 million TOTAL exp per hour at level 82?

[valkry]

Lets see the person who was first to level 85 didnt do it questing. And he did it my way a year after I posted on this forum about it:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/19496-Tag-Boosting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcD5rQJONV4

"I only have to tag"

"Outside Mob Tagging"

Each level 83 mob gives about 1200 non rested exp (with group bonus) to a group of one 85 and four level 81 or roughly about 5000 exp total, not considering rested. Pulls of 20 mobs are simple and the spawn rate is well Im going to time it.

If you have some actual math or SS and not "DeathWalker should be level ... by now" to support the contention that there is a faster method then mob tagging (as long as you have enough out of group helpers so that you can kill the mobs really fast) lets see it.
That guy who got to 85 first by tag boosting or w/e. Yea, that is the fastest way for a solo char, BUT, the guys doing the killing after he tags, they get no xp. And blizz have nerfed xp gained from killing mobs that your group has done little dmg to since then. If your group only does half the dmg, you get half the xp.

The first boxer to 85 was questing. 2nd, 3rd and 4th onwards were mainly questing. You are one of the only ones doing it by grinding, you are last. That is all the proof you should need.

I'll put it another way, I just levelled a character solo without RaF, it took me 3 days played time to get to 85, by questing. So, for your 27, it should take 27 chars x 3 days = 81 days played time total over all your chars. Go add them up and let me know how much over you are.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Yes those outside the group do not get exp that is true.


And blizz have nerfed xp gained from killing mobs that your group has done little dmg to since then. If your group only does half the dmg, you get half the xp.

Any link to that. I do not think thats what I am seeing.

At any rate the way around that is to have 5 in the tag group and have everyone else not in a group, thus no other "group (even though its a single character)" will do more then 1/2 the damage.

[roddo]

5 boxing with raf or without is the single fastest way to level, either questing or instance grinding with rested xp. Your way wastes time and xp that is stolen by the non-taggers who do the majority of the xp. Its like your riding a bicycle and everyone else is in a car, and your saying the bikes the fastest way to travel, but referencing 1880, not modern times. like i've said, hundreds of people have came through here and leveled faster than you, and yet you still make these baseless claims, saying screenshots or it didn't happen. Seriously your bat shit crazy if you think that 3-4 years after starting and your not max level on all accounts that your way is the best. other people max level a group of 5 in under a month, yet in all this time you can't max level 27. We've all given you advice, told you how to speed shit up and yet you claim we're all wrong and your just a misunderstood genius.
Have you ever set foot in an instance, grouped with others or done anything to actually enjoy this game besides just grind away and think how awesome your method is and how wrong we all are?

[Sam DeathWalker]

Your way wastes time and xp that is stolen by the non-taggers who do the majority of the xp.

You do understand that the "non taggers" are also my characters so if they get exp its not "lost". The only loss is they might not get is the group bonus, and they might take the exp from those in the tag group who are rested but Each mob is worth about 5000 exp, what do I care to which particular toon it goes to.

But they Dont kill steal much cause I tag with the main.

The first to 85 used my method. Did his "non taggers" steal his exp? Why not?

When you 5 box quest do you get more then 4 million exp total (counting all the exp recieved by all 5 toons, but no rest exp)?


Ok under your theory I will not make all 85 by mop ... so lets see what happens..

[Sam DeathWalker]

now I see why I double post, I refreash the page so I dont lose my posts .. let me see if I find a work around.

[roddo]

You can't get xp on 2 groups from the same mob, therefore the xp is lost. the first to 85 used "your" method before they nerfed it. FYI, people were using "your method" before you left Everquest to get world firsts, so not sure how its "your method". Its been nerfed, not that it needed to be to slow you down, you do that well enough on your own. You brag about your xp rate, but to be honest if your getting the xp you claim, why are you leveling so slow? 4m xp an hour, you should be doing 80-85 on 1 group every 2 days or so, or at least once a week, but either your taking forever to set up, dicking off in a city or not getting the xp you claim. Your trying to say "your method" produces world firsts, yet your results show "your method" post nerf produces world lasts.

Prepared (who's your self proclaimed competition for best boxxor roxxor) has more toons, more levels and better gear, and the answer as to why is simple, he works smarter not harder. Just because you can level your way doesn't mean its the best way. i could see if you were picking a method that included seeing more content, but instead your method bypasses all content and produces results that speak for themselves, but in a negative way. This game is awesome for the content, thats why most of us play, whether its to see all the dungeons, kill all the bosses, and be social or to push ourselves to solo content that takes a dedicated group to normally defeat. Why do you spend thousands of dollars on this game, if all you do is bypass the content? Why post here and get rebuffed over and over if you feel we aren't smart enough to understand just how awesome you are, and how wrong we all are?

[Sam DeathWalker]

you can't get xp on 2 groups from the same mob, therefore the xp is lost. the first to 85 used "your" method before they nerfed it

If the mob gives 5K exp and I get 5K exp on group "A" instead of the tagging group I fail to see how anything is "lost". I do agree I dont see much content.

Can someone link this "post nerf". I dont see anytime that my tagging group gets 1/2 experience, unless that group is always getting 1/2 experience which is still 4 million per hour.

Iv went from level 80 to 82 on 24 (and like 4 or 5 levels each on the lowbies) guys since Augest 10th, but I only play 3 maybe 4 hours a day tops. At that rate I will have no proble geting to 85 before MOP, but all were rested completly at the start.

All you have is conclusory statements and nothing supported by math, SS or even links. In fact you seem to agree that 4 million per hour is better then questing.

I was tag boosting in EQ1 when I started playing with more then 6 characters. Why would I not use extra fire power?

[roddo]

I was tag boosting in EQ1 when I started playing with more then 6 characters. Why would I not use extra fire power?

besides the fact it your leveling slower than shit? no reason.

All the proof is in the fact you've been playing WoW 5 years and haven't hit max level yet, in any of the expansions. Your math doesn't mean shit, all anyone has to do is check your levels. My math (we all know you love math) says you've spent over $20k just in monthly fees, to see no content, and sit in a corner tag boosting and leveling slower than anyone else in the history of WoW's multiboxing community. The resources to the reward ratio you have is beyond mind boggling. How many times have you rerolled because you messed up RAF?

[hannibal]

Are you on a pve server?

[MiRai]

Can someone link this "post nerf".
Blizzard doesn't put these things in their patch notes or come out and say, "We didn't like the way people could power level themselves, so we changed it. Just letting everyone know!"

Any nerfs to such methods are done quietly in the background.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Im on a pvp server but no one bothers me anymore ....

[Tin]

Level

Old XP Requirement
New XP Requirement
Newer XP Requirement
Newest XP Requirement



1-9
Old (http://www.wowpedia.org/Experience_to_level)
Same
Same
Same


10-39?
Old (http://www.wowpedia.org/Experience_to_level)
(-20%)
(-20%)
(-20%)



40-82
Old (http://www.wowpedia.org/Experience_to_level)
Same
Same
Same


82-83
4,004,000
2,669,000 (-33%)
2,669,000 (-33%)
2,669,000 (-33%)



83-84
5,203,400
3,469,000 (-33%)
3,469,000 (-33%)
3,469,000 (-33%)


84-85
9,165,100
4,583,000 (-50%)
4,583,000 (-50%)
4,583,000 (-50%)


85-86
10 million
15.5 million (+55%)
13 million (+30%)
13 million (+30%)


86-87
11.6 million
18 million (+55%)
18 million (+55%)
15.1 million (+30%)


87-88
14.6 million
22.6 million (+55%)
22.6 million (+55%)
19 million (+30%)


88-89
17.6 million
27.3 million (+55%)
27.3 million (+55%)
22.8 million (+30%)


89-90
21.2 million
32.8 million (+55%)
32.8 million (+55%)
27.6 million (+30%)




the experience required to level in beta has been tweaked again - if this goes live in the Patch 5.0.4 on August 28 - 1 hour max a lv. to 85

[valkry]

You do understand that the "non taggers" are also my characters so if they get exp its not "lost". The only loss is they might not get is the group bonus, and they might take the exp from those in the tag group who are rested but Each mob is worth about 5000 exp, what do I care to which particular toon it goes to.

But they Dont kill steal much cause I tag with the main.

The first to 85 used my method. Did his "non taggers" steal his exp? Why not?

When you 5 box quest do you get more then 4 million exp total (counting all the exp recieved by all 5 toons, but no rest exp)?


Ok under your theory I will not make all 85 by mop ... so lets see what happens..
Yes, I told you, I was 4 boxing at 2.8mil xp/hour each, non-rested, 11.2mil xp/hour total, that's nearly 3 times quicker than you

[valkry]

If the mob gives 5K exp and I get 5K exp on group "A" instead of the tagging group I fail to see how anything is "lost". I do agree I dont see much content.


No, what is lost is when your tagger group doesn't do much of the dmg, so instead of the tagger getting 5k for the mob, they get 2.5k xp, the other groups DO NOT get the rest of that, that xp is lost, forever

Edit: sry Mirai, forgot to multi quote

[zenga]

84 to 85 is gonna be fun on that spot :p

I'm almost thinking it's a brilliant plan, wait to level till the end of the expansion when the required xp gets nerfed.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Looks like I be working on trade skillz and flight paths until the 28th. Having no reason to doubt Valkry Ill toss in the towel on the questing being slower, although I will still be doing tag boosting as I hate questing. Well got to work on the 3 lowbies also seems. What level were your guys getting 2.8 million per hour at?

Well timing could not be better as except for the 3 lowbies all the crew is level 82 ....

Ok I have been using outside groups instead of singles not beliving this 1/2 exp nerf. Im going to ungroup everone cept the tagging group to make sure the tagging group has to do the most damage and see exactly what is up this morning.


Ok I made a group 2 mages 2 lowbies and 1 level 85 tagger. The two mages got 1342 exp per kill with all the outside helpers being ungrouped. Thus the taggers had to do the most damage as they had two mages in the group.

I then made an outside group of 5 mages that did not tag but were 100 percent sure to do the most damage. The two mages in the exp group got the exact same 1342 exp per kill ..... And the outside group did not get a single kill steal, the tagger group (consecration far away from the killers) got every kill.

I dont see this nerf. Let me get the one level 85 mage out of the area on the off change he is always doing the most damage. Same results, there is no nerf.

Ok I think what it is is that I have so many guys no group or single does more then 1/2 the damage to the mob. The taggers dont do 1/2 the damage but then again no one else, even 5 mages in a group does more then 1/2 of the total damage to any mob so I avoid the whole problem.

[zenga]

Ok I made a group 2 mages 2 lowbies and 1 level 85 tagger. The two mages got 1342 exp per kill with all the outside helpers being ungrouped. Thus the taggers had to do the most damage as they had two mages in the group.

I then made an outside group of 5 mages that did not tag but were 100 percent sure to do the most damage. The two mages in the exp group got the exact same 1342 exp per kill ..... And the outside group did not get a single kill steal, the tagger group (consecration far away from the killers) got every kill.

I dont see this nerf. Let me get the one level 85 mage out of the area on the off change he is always doing the most damage. Same results, there is no nerf.

Ok I think what it is is that I have so many guys no group or single does more then 1/2 the damage to the mob. The taggers dont do 1/2 the damage but then again no one else, even 5 mages in a group does more then 1/2 of the total damage to any mob so I avoid the whole problem.

The way tagging works (worked) best in wow is that 1 lowbie is grouped with another lowbie, and both need to be within a certain level range of eachother and the mob, all other chars are outside of their group. It doesn't really matter how many other chars you have to kill off the mobs, as long as they are not groupped with the targgets. The problem is obviously that the lowbies need to survive tagging the mobs. So you either need to heal them / have mitigation or kill fast enough. Ualaa described this somewhere on the forum how he leveled this way in borean tundra.

[Truelle]

Yes, I told you, I was 4 boxing at 2.8mil xp/hour each, non-rested, 11.2mil xp/hour total, that's nearly 3 times quicker than you

You may have been able to quest at this rate for a short period of time but that number isn't possible multiboxing in Cata for long. Too many collections that you can't skip that really slow down the exp per hour. At the rate you quoted you would go 80-85 in about 6-7 hours... that isnt happening.

[valkry]

You may have been able to quest at this rate for a short period of time but that number isn't possible multiboxing in Cata for long. Too many collections that you can't skip that really slow down the exp per hour. At the rate you quoted you would go 80-85 in about 6-7 hours... that isnt happening.
Nope, only at 84-85 due to the quest rewards giving so much more xp than the first zones. I was in deepholm for about a third or so of my level, as those quests are sweet then off to the dwarf quests (up to but not including the wedding) in TH, CoC & eots weekend

[Sam DeathWalker]

The way tagging works (worked) best in wow is that 1 lowbie is grouped with another lowbie, and both need to be within a certain level range of eachother and the mob, all other chars are outside of their group. It doesn't really matter how many other chars you have to kill off the mobs, as long as they are not groupped with the targgets. The problem is obviously that the lowbies need to survive tagging the mobs. So you either need to heal them / have mitigation or kill fast enough. Ualaa described this somewhere on the forum how he leveled this way in borean tundra.

I do it a bit different, I tag with a level 85 but I make sure the mobs are not grey to the level 85, even though the 85 is grouped with the lowbies they still get high exp for their level, as long as the mobs are not grey to the level 85. This way I get fast reliable tagging.

I brought in a level one priest (to replace my single shaman, it takes a lot of extra time to write macros for another class) so now I have the tagger, 3 lowbies and a level 1. The lowbies actually are getting more exp with the level one added to the group as the group bonus went up ...

[Tin]

I did try it today i my 5 man mage group. 1 lv. 85 (ilv. 381,4) and 4 lv. 83 (ilv 249,5) all frost
the 4 83 have head and back herilom +15% exp
+ Rested Bonus
+ Group Bonus
+ Bonus from guild Perks (lv. 14) +20%

5 min. did give me 147.000 exp = 3% a lv. in Jamba

with questing you have to turn in around 2 quest every 5 min. in Twilight Highland (if I remeber right most quest give 55200+Bonus)

I hate this form for leveling - but if it goes down with almost 7 million exp. need - i´ll take that 2 hours it will take to get to 85 with my group. Not to have to set my feed in Twilight Highand again (5`th time) with all those collection quest will make me happy.

[daanji]

I haven't seen any mention this change yet, so I'm going to post it here.

Apparently, the Heirloom Bind-to-Account Legs that were datamined a long time ago are now being made available. You can see the information here

http://www.wowhead.com/guide=1070/guild-changes-in-mists-of-pandaria


Now, I'm not sure if they are going to be released on Tuesday, August 28th with patch 5.0.4 or with MoP.

I am hoping they get released and are availalbe come this Tuesday, as that will make leveling new teams that much faster.

[Sam DeathWalker]

You learn flight paths automatically now as you level I just found out ... lol wasted time learning them.

[david357]

I haven't seen any mention this change yet, so I'm going to post it here.

Apparently, the Heirloom Bind-to-Account Legs that were datamined a long time ago are now being made available. You can see the information here

http://www.wowhead.com/guide=1070/guild-changes-in-mists-of-pandaria


Now, I'm not sure if they are going to be released on Tuesday, August 28th with patch 5.0.4 or with MoP.

I am hoping they get released and are availalbe come this Tuesday, as that will make leveling new teams that much faster.

You actually need your guild to have leveled up all the professions to 600, so that won't happen before MoP. Gathering professions might be hard to get because people will level up their optimized character first :(

[MiRai]

You learn flight paths automatically now as you level I just found out ... lol wasted time learning them.
It's been like that since Cataclysm went live a year and a half ago. Right before Cataclysm hit they would give low level characters starting flight paths as well (e.g. Human would automatically get Stormwind (and maybe even Ironforge -- because the Tram was just too damn hard to navigate)).

[Ughmahedhurtz]

because the Tram was just too damn hard to navigate)).
ROFLMAO! Oh, oh, my ribs! :D At least the tram never had Angwe camping it (http://liquidcode.org/%7Elostman/wow/dkeserver.se/stuff/angwe/)...

[Lyonheart]

I just got my 4 80 pals one level, rested, + a few bubs in an hour ( used a potion of treasure finding ..lasts an hour ) love this spot!

[kalos72]

What level/class are you using to PL with this spot typically?

[crowdx]

What level/class are you using to PL with this spot typically?

I use a level 90 druid to boost here. Cross Realm Phasing is the biggest issue at this spot now, there are TONS of other folks farming here which can make it difficult to get decent size pulls

[smalltanker]

with my 90 paladin and 4 73-74 paladins I hit this area today. Around 850 XPs a kill in pulls ranging between 2-8 each. Nice cloth, greens, greys and gold dropping as well. CRZ was an issue as I got wiped once or twice by an alliance brewmaster killing my minions. Couldn't kill each other but he could grief my by killing my power leveling attempts.

With no rested XPs this spot yields around 420 XPs per kill. I still bangged out two levels here in about two hours, probably averaged over 15-20 greens and 4-5 stacks of cloth per hour with no potion of treasure finding. If dragging along some 70s or so their aggro radius is pretty large and the occassional CRZ could come in and kill you so keep your eyes open.

[crowdx]

with my 90 paladin and 4 73-74 paladins I hit this area today. Around 850 XPs a kill in pulls ranging between 2-8 each. Nice cloth, greens, greys and gold dropping as well. CRZ was an issue as I got wiped once or twice by an alliance brewmaster killing my minions. Couldn't kill each other but he could grief my by killing my power leveling attempts.

With no rested XPs this spot yields around 420 XPs per kill. I still bangged out two levels here in about two hours, probably averaged over 15-20 greens and 4-5 stacks of cloth per hour with no potion of treasure finding. If dragging along some 70s or so their aggro radius is pretty large and the occassional CRZ could come in and kill you so keep your eyes open.

Sit your lowbie guys up on the rocks, they will get XP for nearly the whole area, no need for them to kill anything.

[SaraiE]

I was there for a bit last night, since your toons are past 60s, they can just mount up and hover, just make sure they are not too high up that they are out of the xp range, just high enough so gankers cannot shoot them down (not sure if that is possible, gankers will find ways)!

SaraiE