Mosg2's DK Manifesto

[Multibocks]

Sounds like your assist macro is incorrectly setup. Make sure that any FTL assist is "window:current" or it will randomly select someone to assist.

I'm loving my DK team, they are only 80 and in shit gear, but I have killed every 85 that attacks me while questing. I drive with my priest healer and it looks like I have 4 bouncers following me.

[Ualaa]

If it only occasional, it could be latency or server-side lag.

You can test your keys pretty easily.

Go through each team member in turn, and make them the leader.
While that member is the leader, target a different party member (or yourself) and press a DPS key with FTL Assist tied to it.

If each of the others acquire your target, then you know FTL Assist is working.
Ignore the "cannot attack that target".

[thedreameater]

Thanks, for the ideas, I will try these when I get home. Don't think it's lag, because they will never prioritize corpses if I send dps key 1 only, via my dps key bind. When I hit the 2 step IwT plus dps key, they won't always switch targets.

[Mosg2]

You have more than one "Assist me-->Self" being activated in ISBoxer.

[remanz]

Why have you guys switched to obliterate build ? What happened to Howling Blast/Necrotic Strike stacking spam ?

[Mosg2]

I just haven't respecced, that's all. I was trying out a bunch of builds for both Frost and Unholy.

[Shodokan]

Why have you guys switched to obliterate build ? What happened to Howling Blast/Necrotic Strike stacking spam ?

That wont be as efficient next patch. And with the changes to unholy it might be more beneficial to just forget NS all together and go for straight up damage.

Currently i still run HB/NS spam. I will be switching to unholy as soon as the patch comes out.

[remanz]

I am mixing Frost and Unholy also. Having a hard time killing the high resilience target as usual. Everyone's been telling me "oh unholy is win. 12k dps constant". I just haven't seen it in arena. Before dark transformation + gargoyle, unholy is just not there for me. and DT takes hella long to get. Most of the time, I die before I get it or I get it when it is the cleanning up phase. But the 8% sp buff is nice. So I use 3 frost + 1 unholy right now. Wondering if I should convert 1 more to blood.

How do you guys determine gemming and gearing ? Resilience > Str > haste (mastery after 4.0.6 ?) > mastery > crit ?

the question here is mainly on Resilience vs Str . Stacking more resilience is worth it ?

[Fat Tire]

the question here is mainly on Resilience vs Str . Stacking more resilience is worth it ?


#1 stat. It scales soooo good right now. They will probably have to nerf it next season.

I run 3800ish

[remanz]

#1 stat. It scales soooo good right now. They will probably have to nerf it next season.

I run 3800ish

It makes sense for 3s or solo playing DK. You are getting healed until your healer OOM. Does this still hold for 5s ? I would think resilience only delaying the inevitable, unless it reduces the chance that I am getting CCed.

OR I can output enough pressure to drain both healers mana. Basically I stack enough resilience so I can win by both of their healers OOM.

[Mosg2]

I just regemmed to resilience and my DK's have 3750 apiece now. I'll let you know how arenas go.

[Multibocks]

wow 3750...

[thedreameater]

My previous problem, where the toons would not swap targets properly was due to using the default Interact with Target mapped key, found under General.

Interact with Target is set up as follows:
Step 1
- Do Click to Move On in Control Key Map > all other
- Do FTL Assist Me in General Key Map > self
Do Test IWT in General Key Map > all

Step 2
Do Click to Move Off in Control Key Map > all other

Test IWT is:
- Do FTL Assist Me in General Key Map > self
- End > all
(End, in WoW, is Interact with Target)

I used to have a Hotkey to trigger Interact with Target. Removing that Hotkey and using Test IWT directly, worked (as long as I have click to move turned on all toons).

New question:

How does everyone deal with the toons circling their target (and running off when it's dead)? When something is dead, I tend to hit /follow to get them back in line - but what about in arena where the main is dead? Mokoi, in one of his videos, is filming and actively moving the camera from the dead holy pally. This means he didn't switch to one of the DKs to hit /follow when they inevitably run off in random directions.

Last:

Is everyone still using the frost cast sequence Mosg2 described in the video?

Thanks again!!

Edit: Remanz, thanks for the advice on IWT. I'm just going to have to be careful and fast. Once I have the IWT working in my cast sequence, then hit 85, I'll be looking forward to trying out different cast sequences.

Edit: I've slammed my head against the desk with this so much. Can I somehow post my ISBoxer file up somewhere safe? I took my email and stuff out - I just can't get IWT to work correctly with my cast sequences. (and I hate littering this awesome thread with my qq).

[remanz]

Leaving the ISBoxer question to Ualaa, he is the expert in that.

As for the running off after IWT spam, IWT has a long range, much longer than follow. After your first target dies, simply select another target from your paladin's screen. THey will run after him. Do it quickly and hopefully the DKS won't run off too far. DKs will gather back to the 2nd target.

IWT should be built in as part of your attack spam. That way your DKs won't run off too far. The issue comes when they cut short corners, or staying at the edge of a bridge. Have to be fast on Death Grip or your slaves will be stuck or fall off. Also I find it handy to have a key setup for "back up" to stop moving. and put this key to somewhere it can be easily accessed to avoid having to run your slaves off.

For the castsequence, I think we are all kind of experimenting with different setups/attack rotations etc. At least I am still playing around with specs and spells. Keep in mind howling blast is getting nerfed. So things would be a bit different in 4.0.6

[Ualaa]

Start a new thread, probably in the software forum.
Give it the IS Boxer tag.

Go to pastebin.com or a similar site.
In the file menu, in the toolkit copy your profile to clip board.
Be sure to check the option to omit your account name.
Then paste it on pastebin.
And include the link to that, in the post here.

Or you could post on the forums on www.isboxer.com
Lax checks the forums on his site more often then these, I would assume.

[Shodokan]

So i just got done talking to some people who do hardcore bgs, and they are already 2400 rated. Half their group is willing to do games with me which is awesome. I guess i spoke too soon about quitting tony.

[TeamGrizzly]

Folks at WoW forums seem to agree that Obliterate is now a better choice than HB + NS in frost PvP. Thoughts?

[Noids]

Maybe for individual DKs, but for frost build the way we do it currently, HB/NS is still better for a couple of reasons IMO.

The main reason is that HB is a ranged instant. If you are an Aussie player like me with a 400ms ping playing a melee character yourself, you will find you are out of melee range a lot on a moving PvP target. When you are using IWT to control that character, the problem is only increased, thus the advantage of any ranged damage that can be donw whilst moving.

NS while potentially less damage than oblit-HB has the advantage of stacking the antihealing/cast slowing debuff on its target. This can be extremely useful when focus firing casters esp. healers.

[Fat Tire]

I just regemmed to resilience and my DK's have 3750 apiece now. I'll let you know how arenas go.


Nice, now go dwarf for stoneform with the patch 10% reduction to all dmg- 2 min cd. With insane defensive cds, lichborne heals and increased ds healing. Dont see how anyone could kill ya. :D

[outdrsyguy1]

speaking of defensive cooldowns, can someone tell me how they handle it? I tried making a cast sequence that summons the ghoul and sacrifices him, then casts a couple deathstrikes and pops the 20% damage reduction skill. The problem is that i'm usually fairly stunlocked or silenced and can't seem to get much off.
Do you guys go into blood form when focused? Anyone that's got any defensive macros sure would be helpful.

thanks

[hannibal]

Thanks for this thread and all the info that has came with it.

I recently restarted playing wow with the advent of cata and decided to give boxing a try. 4 dk + hpally is my first boxing team and I am loving it. Playing from the healer position and "steering" the dks feels very natural to me now and it actually feels weird when I play from the dk perspective. Its like having 4 bodyguards following me around and doing my bidding.

I am sitting at around 2800 resil and acquired my 359 pvp weapons last week. Arena seems really easy vs what appears to be randoms going for points, but definitely more challenging against the higher lvl teams. Its been fairly easy to cap my points each week. To improve, I feel I still need to work on better use of defensive cooldowns and improve my use of hungering cold. I have hc firing random and it seems that the dks fire multiple hcs at the same time quite often. Im going to try hc with a round robin and maybe take it completely out of my spam button.

[remanz]

HC should be used manually on RR. This is not too terrible to manage since it doesn't need facing like "repenance". Just use it when there are people around your DKs. Also disease tick doesn't break HC so you can safely spam HB first then use HC. It serves as a good AOE CC or interrupt.

Management of the defensive CD is a little challenging. Currently in a "use it all upfront and pray I don't die" mode for me, it works below 1700 ratings. Above that, melee zerg shows its limitations. We have to rely on the other team make a mistake or we got lucky on a interrupt/slience combo.

[Mosg2]

I'm working on a new Manifesto tonight. I should have it posted before tomorrow morning. I'm thinking that it will be posted in the PvP forums--I have little to no plans for comments regarding PvE with the team so that narrows down the target audience.

[Mosg2]

New manifesto posted in the PvP forums.

[hannibal]

The tb magic resist trinket doesn't work in arena. Just tried it

[Kromtor]

Pretty much all trinkets say "cannot be used in arenas" when you enter the arena and mouseover for some reason. Did you actually try to use it? Seems strange, I thought mosg2 came to the conclusion that it was good after using it in arenas.

[Mosg2]

It's a tooltip error--The same tooltip error that caused me to drop 4x Engineering on my guys. Everything but the PvP trinket says that it doesn't work in arenas.

I've used it quite a bit in arenas and I like it.

[hannibal]

Yes, I was going off of what the tooltip said.