Hardware solutions that won’t break the bank?

[ParanoidPenguin333]

As cliché as this sounds, long time listener (well reader), first time caller :) (umm…poster)

I’ve stopped playing WoW for close to two year now, but am thinking about getting back into it again, but this time around, as a Multiboxer.

I had been weighting out the pros and cons of software vs. hardware solutions for some time now. I am leaning on the hardware route because of rumors (be it true or unfounded), of possible leaks into getting hacked. In addition to avoiding any possible issue of violating terms of service, hardware just seems like the way to go.

It seems Vetra multicaster/switchcaster is the hardware of choice, but is there a cheaper solution? (outside of duct tape and a lot of old keyboards). I’ve read several times of people using late model keyboard and mouse that used receivers, and by syncing them together, they were able to “broadcast” this signal to multipliable computers at the same time. However no one ever post which company or model works. I’ve tried this using the Logitech unifying receiver and I know this doesn’t work.

Additionally, are there any “mainstream” companies that make KVM switches that perform the operations of “broadcasting” (multiple signals to multiple computers at the same time)? Or perhaps name of the type of devices I should be searching for on newegg or tigerdirect?

[Owltoid]

You may want to search the forum two years ago. The vast majority use software broadcasting these days (for good reason).

[Ughmahedhurtz]

First off, use searches with "site:dual-boxing.com <searchterm1> <etc.>" This works with google and yahoo and bing, so whichever.

Two places to start:

Hardware boxing with wireless stuff. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&client=firefox-a&hs=r4z&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Adual-boxing.com+hardware+boxing+wireless&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)

Hardware boxing in general. (http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adual-boxing.com+hardware+boxing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

[Scelesti]

I believe there's even hardware boxers that use software...

Imo, only use multiple computers if your main computer can't support that many clients.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

Thanks for the feedback, was able to get alot of help with that search trick.

Anyone have any views on PS/2 vs. USB Vetra?

It seems a great many claims PS/2 is more stable and reliable, is that just the old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"? or is USB really a close second?

[EaTCarbS]

Hardware solutions that won't break the bank?

Software. The primary reason multiboxing is where it is now.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

I'm not a fan of software because of that grey area that exist with the TOS about it. Additionally I dislike the idea of using software that isn't fully vetted (I never even used add-ons, mods or vent during the time of me playing). If however there is a professional grade type of software (like some sort of network or surveillance ones that I hear a handful of people use), I might consider that.

[Ualaa]

Take a look at the software forum, to get an idea of what is available.

IS Boxer is the top option around, imo.
And HKN is the top free option, and is a strong option too.

Keyclone is a one-time fee for a lifetime license, it has great key broadcasting and can round-robin but doesn't have a lot of features compared to other options.
GCP and PB are other subscription software options, but you'd need to google to find more information on either.
Different options to take a peak at, but neither is close to IS Boxer.

Similarly you can go with Auto Hot Key or Octopus as other free options.

[Owltoid]

If the man wants to hardware box, then let it be so. He will pay for the paranoia in decreased functionality and possibly increased frustration. That may be worth it to the Penquin :)

[ParanoidPenguin333]

It will be worth it, I have very sensitive information on my computer (no, not 8 bit nintendo music :))

I don't think I'll miss out on any functionally, as I said...I never used add ons or mods. I did everything via the default UI

[Sajuuk]

I'm not a fan of software because of that grey area that exist with the TOS about it. Additionally I dislike the idea of using software that isn't fully vetted (I never even used add-ons, mods or vent during the time of me playing). If however there is a professional grade type of software (like some sort of network or surveillance ones that I hear a handful of people use), I might consider that.

Okay, you don't want "grey area", nor have you used addons, yet you want to multibox? What are you worried about, sensitive data being stolen? If you're so worried about the data, DON'T USE THAT COMPUTER FOR NON-SECURE STUFF. The fact you want to multibox (a grey area with players, it's tolerated by blizzard) is hilarious. Get your priorities straight, then use your head.

You don't want to use software because of a 'gray area' - use the grey matter between your ears and then MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT IS OKAY. Follow the general rule: one action = one keypress per character.


Think it out some more. Software is the most economical way to do it.

[Ishar]

Eh. I'm a hardware boxer that uses software. (keyclone). Cause of some additional functionality...which I haven't been taking advantages of. (lazy me). If I take the plunge to 10boxing though, it will come in handy. /shrug. I like the fact that I have a vetra to fall back on, though. its a nice feeling =p. If i switched games, wouldn't have to wait for someone to make software that works wtih whatever....

If I didn't already have 1k or so sunk into vetra's...i might reconsider. That said, theres no cheap way to do 'hardware'. beyond perhaps a wireless kb and syncing 5 recievers to it, lol.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

Perhaps I should have been more explicit in my title on the post – but it’s also why I posted under the hardware forum and not software one. I’m looking for a cheaper alternative under the hardware route.

As to Sajuuk’s comment, I don’t know where the hostility is coming from, the gray area I speak of is the part where my accounts (time and money spent) can get ban and/or hacked. Any software route can trigger the Warden in game. Hardware won’t do that because it doesn’t modify anything in the computer memory.

You’re free to have your own views, but I don’t see your logic as far as gray area as it pertains to the interactions with other player (players can’t ban me, GM can). In fact I’m multibox’ing so I don’t have to deal with other players.

As far as sensitive information, I work in finance, a hardware solution would allow me to trade on multi client accounts at the same time (in some situations where timing and pricing is important). While I could hotswap harddrives if this was only for WoW, I will NOT log on to a client account with software solution, hence why I need a hardware solution.

[Ualaa]

It's your option whether you use software or not.

However, I wouldn't refer to software boxing as a gray area. A monumental number of people box, and don't get banned for it.

Hardware boxing doesn't reduce the risk of being hacked, at least compared to software boxing. If you were to play warcraft exclusively on the PC (hardware or software), never use that system for email or web browsing, you wouldn't be exposed to keyloggers or the like. Using your B.Net email as a log in for a warcraft related site can compromise your security, and that has nothing to do with whether you hardware or software box.

A GM can without reason ban you for hardware boxing as easily as software boxing. If you stick to the rules of the game, you're not going to get banned for software or hardware boxing. There are thousands of registered users of this site and the other boxing site, and no one has complained about being banned.

If you want hardware for your boxing, go for it. Just everything game related, as to why you would hardware box and not software box comes off as pretty irrelevant.

[Sajuuk]

Perhaps I should have been more explicit in my title on the post – but it’s also why I posted under the hardware forum and not software one. I’m looking for a cheaper alternative under the hardware route.

As to Sajuuk’s comment, I don’t know where the hostility is coming from, the gray area I speak of is the part where my accounts (time and money spent) can get ban and/or hacked. Any software route can trigger the Warden in game. Hardware won’t do that because it doesn’t modify anything in the computer memory.

You’re free to have your own views, but I don’t see your logic as far as gray area as it pertains to the interactions with other player (players can’t ban me, GM can). In fact I’m multibox’ing so I don’t have to deal with other players.
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We've been using keyclone/innerspace/other solutions for YEARS without an issue UNLESS we've gone out of our way to do something outside the rules.




As far as sensitive information, I work in finance, a hardware solution would allow me to trade on multi client accounts at the same time (in some situations where timing and pricing is important). While I could hotswap harddrives if this was only for WoW, I will NOT log on to a client account with software solution, hence why I need a hardware solution
Just for clarification: trading stocks and such on multiple client accounts at the same time? Interesting.

And regarding the 'hostility', I think it's ridiculous for someone so concerned with gray area to even consider multiboxing, which itself is a grey area. Seems...contradictory. People who get banned actively and willfully exploit the game or cause grief to other players.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

I have to disagree with you on your second to final point Ualaa

I was orginally considering ISBoxer until I starting to read these forums. There has been situation (rather the players are describing the situation truthfully or correctly is another matter) where the players couldn't figure out why they were ban or hacked other than than the variable of using software for multibox'ing

[Sajuuk]

I have to disagree with you on your second to final point Ualaa

I was orginally considering ISBoxer until I starting to read these forums. There has been situation (rather the players are describing the situation truthfully or correctly is another matter) where the players couldn't figure out why they were ban or hacked other than than the variable of using software for multibox'ing

If the remote possibility scares you, don't even bother. There's risk for everything. You MIGHT get banned if you do exploit the software, if you automate, or something else. It's not hard for someone to look at a multiboxer and say "oh look, he's multiboxing", not "oh look a software boxer", instead of "oh look a hardware boxer". There are methods blizzard could use to determine if you are using software or not, but they'll still know you're multiboxing.


IF they want to, they will know that you're multiboxing, and could ban you for it at any time.


again, if the possibility of a ban scares you, no matter how remote, don't do it.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

to Sajuuk:

I don't think we are not using 'grey area' under the same definition, I'm referring to TOS wording of what is considering a third party software, i can link the blue post from the WoW forum if I can locate it again, but it was a very lenghty discussion from a while back.

As far as Hardware solution, it doesn't modify how the software behaves where by adhereing to TOS requirements

And yes trading stocks, trading platforms disallows multi "windows" to be open at the same time to trade anything. FINRA has strict regulation on the trading platform/software (we are talking instutional software, not things like scottrade) so the end user doesn't do something like front running or double sale orders. This affectively forces anyone that is trading to work on one account at a time (be it a mere fraction of a second or hours). Depending on what trading strag you use, you may or may not using price and/or time as a trigger. Without getting totally off topic or into econ, hardware solution is the only solution that is viable that would allow me to increase throughtput of trades WITHOUT an extra later of software inferface.

[Sajuuk]

to Sajuuk:

I don't think we are not using 'grey area' under the same definition, I'm referring to TOS wording of what is considering a third party software, i can link the blue post from the WoW forum if I can locate it again, but it was a very lenghty discussion from a while back.

As far as Hardware solution, it doesn't modify how the software behaves where by adhereing to TOS requirements

TOS wording aside, a good rule that's been supported by blues is the 1-1 rule: "1 keypress = 1 action per character", to that means I myself only used isboxer for window switching, and key modifiers/key repeating across clients. I kept my macros in game. That was how I used the software. It depends on how you use it. You're the one who limits yourself.




And yes trading stocks, trading platforms disallows multi "windows" to be open at the same time to trade anything. FINRA has strict regulation on the trading platform/software (we are talking instutional software, not things like scottrade) so the end user doesn't do something like front running or double sale orders. This affectively forces anyone that is trading to work on one account at a time (be it a mere fraction of a second or hours). Depending on what trading strag you use, you may or may not using price and/or time as a trigger. Without getting totally off topic or into econ, hardware solution is the only solution that is viable that would allow me to increase throughtput of trades WITHOUT an extra later of software inferface.

Neat. That said as someone into finance/economics I would hope you would view it as an actual investment meant to be payed back over time, not as one loss. Since you ARE working on finance you'd want to do more research so you get the most reliable solution possible.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

Just to put the gray area discussion to a rest (this is from a blue):


Q u o t e:
Semantics issue #2:
Software (such as Keyclone, Octopus, etc) to emulate a keyboard multiboxing solution is, by nature, "3rd party". Is "3rd party software" synonymous with "bot" or "automation"? Are all types of "3rd party software" bannable?
Likewise, hardware, by nature, is "3rd party". What kinds (or uses) of 3rd party hardware are bannable?

Is it sending an identical signal to all client windows or switching between them to send commands? Not automation.
Is it playing the game for you, or rather, for one of your client windows? Automation.
All hardware is considered neutral as long as its commands and features are not being used to automate gameplay.

"All hardware is considered neutral"

the software CAN be (not saying it will be) a banable offense

So by extention of logic...if one option is zero percent of getting ban, where has another option has a small (while extremely small), I'll stick with the one that has zero chance.

Logic by example, doctor tells you one medicine has zero chance of any side effect, another has a small, but an existing chance to kill you. I think any rational person would pick the first choice if given both options. Hopefully this clarify why I make my case (other than my work use) of wanting to use only hardware

[ParanoidPenguin333]

to Sajuuk

I am doing research now, my default option is vetra, I'm here to see if there are better options that I don't know about. Part of finance is about optimizing...if I can do the same job for 100 bucks than with 700...I'll obviously pick the 100 one

[Sajuuk]

Well good luck to you.

[daanji]

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have ourselves a troll.

I congratulate you, penguin, for getting everyone defensive.

As for me, I use isboxer. I used to do hardware boxing, but clost and limitations drove me nuts. Honestly, I would at least try a software solution first and see how you like it.

With Isboxer, you can be up and running in 10 minutes.

[Ualaa]

A quick question...

Do you use an operating system?
That is neither you nor Blizzard, and therefore a third party software.
For that matter, so are the drivers in your mouse.
If you want to stay away from 3rd party stuff, don't use that either.

Seems pretty silly to me.

If you abuse the system, which is mainly through pushing one key and having it do something now, and after a bit of time without further input, it does something else and possibly makes intelligent (at least as far as its script/programming goes) decisions, etc.
Well that kind of thing can get your account into trouble.
A G15 keyboard, which is hardware could get you multiple outputs with timed delays, all as the result of one key press.



Not sure why I'm bothering.
You're not going to use software, and that is fine.

Just don't want people who actually are interested in boxing to find this... and feel software is a bad way to go.
Do a search for people who were banned because of boxing software.
I've been an active member of both boxing forums for quite a while, and have not seen a single post where someone says they were banned because of using software.

I have seen a few posts regarding bans.
None of those were a result of software, and actually if they had been hardware boxers the result would have been the same.
I've had several private messages, where someone says... hey saw your post on making lots of gold through transmutes and was wondering if you can help tell me how to sell gold...
And guess what, that kind of activity will get you banned eventually, and it is not a result of using software or hardware as your boxing medium.

[Owltoid]

Please lock this thread. While I'm willing to think Penguin has good intentions, this paranoia regarding boxing being banable isn't good for the community and only makes newcomers feel less safe. We all know boxing with software is legit and there's no reason to continually defend it. If Penquin wants a hardware solution then more power to him - there are plenty of old threads for him to read.

[MiRai]

I have to disagree with you on your second to final point Ualaa

I was orginally considering ISBoxer until I starting to read these forums. There has been situation (rather the players are describing the situation truthfully or correctly is another matter) where the players couldn't figure out why they were ban or hacked other than than the variable of using software for multibox'ing
Do you have a link to these threads you happened to stumble across?

[ParanoidPenguin333]

To Fenril

I’m not sure why you’re asking me to post threads (don’t know if someone is trying to sucker me into arguing with them). So before someone else starts calling me a troll again or forcing me to play lawyer and post each and every blue post as the literal dissection of adherence to TOS, I’m just going to say look at the forums on worldofwarcraft and/or google and search glider bot and blizzard. They will lead you down a pool of information that I came across pertaining to software solutions. Some information you can encounter can be slander so I won’t repeat them here. I’ll let you do your own due diligence.

While the start of this thread was helpful (and I want to thank those that were helpful at the start), it’s gone too long and way off topic. I’ve already articulated my points in a logical fashion but people still won’t accept the parameters I’ve described were important to me. At no point did I say OTHER people can’t go software, it’s just not something I’m willing to do.

I think the only analogy I can make to this thread is thusly (and hopefully this time around people understand where I’m coming from):

Guy goes into a car dealership, and tells sales guy he would like a pick up – so can you recommend any. Sales guy said minivans are better, Guy saids yes, they can hold more people, but I work construction and don’t need a minivan. Sales guy saids how about a roadster? Guy saids yes they are fast and they are shiny, but I can’t use it for work. Sales guy turns around and saids you’re an idiot, no one gets pick ups, everyone has either minivans or roasters.

Moral of the story? At no point did I say you folks can’t use software and love it. It’s just not something for me, especially when I state as plain as day that I want a hardware alternative.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Ya know, I might just still have my old wireless keyboards I used to hardware box with lying around somewhere. Aside from a patina of dust, they should still work. PM me if you're interested in following up on that as a really cheap option. ;)

[Owltoid]

Penguin, your analogy would be better if you said no to one of those vehicles because they could be considered illegal (maybe there was a soccer mom who dealt pot so you went to the dealer and said no to all minivans because they could all be drug dealing vehicles). Just by insinuating that you offended the dealer and made them out to possibly be drug dealer enablers.

Hardware box if you want - it's inferior. Don't be surprised if people get upset when you wrongly say software multiboxing may be against TOS.

[MiRai]

To Fenril

I’m not sure why you’re asking me to post threads (don’t know if someone is trying to sucker me into arguing with them). So before someone else starts calling me a troll again or forcing me to play lawyer and post each and every blue post as the literal dissection of adherence to TOS, I’m just going to say look at the forums on worldofwarcraft and/or google and search glider bot and blizzard. They will lead you down a pool of information that I came across pertaining to software solutions. Some information you can encounter can be slander so I won’t repeat them here. I’ll let you do your own due diligence.
Okay, so you're basing all of this off of something that is over 2 years old? It isn't some dark secret that
InnerSpace holds tight and won't let out into the light of day, Lax has openly explained numerous times
on numerous message boards about those days [guess you missed all of those posts and just picked
out the bad ones]. If you're going to base not using InnerSpace on its past [which it wasn't even
InnerSpace, it was an addon created for use on the InnerSpace platform], then so be it. But please don't
come to these forums as a brand new member and vaguely mention how you read something about
some software being in the gray area without any recent up-to-date proof, links, or whatever
else. A vast majority of the multiboxing community use Innerspace/ISBoxer on a daily basis, have used it
for many, many years without any problems, and will continue to use it without any paranoia in the
future.

We see these posts pop up once every few months on these boards, about the legality of ISBoxer, and
its users defend it every single time. Why? We stand behind InnerSpace and ISBoxer because it truly is
the best, most versatile, software solution for multiboxing to date. Numerous hardware boxers have
tested, and switched to, ISBoxer because of how much easier it really is. Lax also provides some of the
most amazing support for his software, which is all included, at the measly price of $36/year. I can
guarantee ISBoxer's users are not mindless slaves getting paid by the author to poison the community
about how great it really is, we do it for free. The people in this thread who mentioned to you to use
ISBoxer instead of going with a hardware solution, were really only trying to save you from headaches.

[Fursphere]

To the OP - I'll sell you my vetras cheap if you want them. 2x 5 port PS/2 vetras. I am an honest guy - many people here can vouch for me i'm sure.

I was one of the longest lasting hardware guys - and eventually went software before I quit altogether (baby came).

ISBoxer is the way to go IMO.

[Whowantstoknow]

To Fenril
Guy goes into a car dealership, and tells sales guy he would like a pick up – so can you recommend any. Sales guy said minivans are better, Guy saids yes, they can hold more people, but I work construction and don’t need a minivan. Sales guy saids how about a roadster? Guy saids yes they are fast and they are shiny, but I can’t use it for work. Sales guy turns around and saids you’re an idiot, no one gets pick ups, everyone has either minivans or roasters.


Analogy is wrong. Better analogy is that everyone here is telling you to use the Pickup because its better for the intended use but you stubbonly wont listen to that advice because you think using pickups is illegal.

Software is not illegal (that would be like saying your OS or mouse drivers were illegal) but can be used illegally ie ISX glider etc.

Hardware is not illegal but can be used illegally G15 macroes.

Blues have confirmed software is legal as long as you are not automating anything.

Choosing Hardware over Software is fine and perfectly acceptable but do it for the right reasons

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I hardware/software box.

I have six computers hardware to the mouse/keyboard but I use IsBoxer for the communicaiton between the 7 clients on each of the 5 slave computers.

Im not parinod but I think I get a little speed edge when the 6 computers don't talk to each other at all locally.

To the OP, if you are planning to pvp and you are using the default UI and some basic macros you run up against me or anyone who uses IsBoxer you will lose.

Just read this:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=33080

You can't touch anyone doing that.

I am sure that Blizzard people read this forum if what we do is illegal they would have put a stop to it by now.

Google "Sam DeathWalker", I am not operating "under the radar" by any strech of the immagination, I am as out there as can be. What I, and everyone else here, does is open knowledge to anyone who bothers to look.

[ParanoidPenguin333]

You guys are harping on the same thing (which is one of a number of reasons why software isn’t desirable for ME – not for you…not for your friends…not for anyone on this forum…just me)

At no point did I say any of you guys are cheating or doing anything illegal. I can only imagine the bitterness and resentment that is focused on you from non boxers on WoW as to the reason why you guys are so defensive now. Isn’t it a bit hypocritical for any of you to make wide blanket statement just because you don’t understand the situation (like cases where people say your botting cause they don’t know what multiboxing is, or when people saying you have no life because you pay for more than one account – just because they can’t pay for more than one account, doesn’t mean you can’t – by extension, if you don’t want to pay for a hardware solution, and I can and want to…don’t fault me for it)

You folks also realize I’m on the hardware forum section? For everyone to keep telling me to use software cause it’s “better” is pointless. If I wanted software feedback, I would of posted on the software forum.

I’m trying my hardest not to post on this thread anymore, but clearly people still want to drag this one out In addition, people are making me out as if I said things that I didn’t. Did you guy not read the part where I said I will use this for work as well? Or because it voids any of your arguments flat out, you will choose to ignore that parameter. I will be trading equities…as in “stocks”. I work in finance…as in I work on Wall Street. You can’t install outside software on a Bloomberg Terminal. If you don’t know what a Bloomberg Terminal is, I can’t be any clearer on why I want a hardware solution.

Hopefully this is the last thread about this here. Cause if someone wants to tell me software is the way to go, they better be able to a) show me a FINRA approved software or b) be a compliance officer at a clearing house.

To Fursphere

How much and what model to you have (the vetra model number - or is it a costum unit?)?

[thefunk]

You guys are harping on the same thing (which is one of a number of reasons why software isn’t desirable for ME – not for you…not for your friends…not for anyone on this forum…just me)

At no point did I say any of you guys are cheating or doing anything illegal. I can only imagine the bitterness and resentment that is focused on you from non boxers on WoW as to the reason why you guys are so defensive now. Isn’t it a bit hypocritical for any of you to make wide blanket statement just because you don’t understand the situation (like cases where people say your botting cause they don’t know what multiboxing is, or when people saying you have no life because you pay for more than one account – just because they can’t pay for more than one account, doesn’t mean you can’t – by extension, if you don’t want to pay for a hardware solution, and I can and want to…don’t fault me for it)

You folks also realize I’m on the hardware forum section? For everyone to keep telling me to use software cause it’s “better” is pointless. If I wanted software feedback, I would of posted on the software forum.

I’m trying my hardest not to post on this thread anymore, but clearly people still want to drag this one out In addition, people are making me out as if I said things that I didn’t. Did you guy not read the part where I said I will use this for work as well? Or because it voids any of your arguments flat out, you will choose to ignore that parameter. I will be trading equities…as in “stocks”. I work in finance…as in I work on Wall Street. You can’t install outside software on a Bloomberg Terminal. If you don’t know what a Bloomberg Terminal is, I can’t be any clearer on why I want a hardware solution.

Hopefully this is the last thread about this here. Cause if someone wants to tell me software is the way to go, they better be able to a) show me a FINRA approved software or b) be a compliance officer at a clearing house.

To Fursphere

How much and what model to you have (the vetra model number - or is it a costum unit?)?

have you looked into software?

[thefunk]

Had to be done. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. Just remember it took this community may years of effort and reversing bans and education - and ensuring we behave in the best possible way for multiboxing to be proved a legal type of gameplay with many MMORPG's as well as respected.

Which explains the slightly venomous response to your query about legality. So don't be too surprised or annoyed.

Like I said, let it wash over you and continue.

[Sam DeathWalker]

The fastest cheapest hardware solution is to use wireless (you might have to buy a seperate receiver for each computer-meaning you might have to buy a mouse/keyboard for each computer but not use them).

You'll need to know how to edit the file where you computer stores mouse setting is you want the mouse to be at the same position on each computer most of the time.

You'll need one computer per account if you do that, and want all accounts to cast at the same time.

Otherwise you can alt/tab between accounts but only one will be active at a time per computer, you will not be able to control background accounts.

You will also need to set different keybinds per character if you don't want all the characters moving forward (breaking follow) if you move your main forward.

Vectra has the advantage, I think, that you can only send keys to one computer at a time or can brodcast to all. Wireless you cannot send keys to only one computer at a time.

At least thats what I have read.

[Sajuuk]

have you looked into software?

Were he only concerned with multiboxing then yes, but he also trades stocks and can't use multiple instances of the proprietary software, thus he must use multiple computers.

[Ualaa]

I work in finance…as in I work on Wall Street. You can’t install outside software on a Bloomberg Terminal. If you don’t know what a Bloomberg Terminal is, I can’t be any clearer on why I want a hardware solution.

Out of curiousity... is World of Warcraft a FINRA approved software for the Bloomberg Terminal?

[MiRai]

You guys are harping on the same thing (which is one of a number of reasons why software isn’t desirable for ME – not for you…not for your friends…not for anyone on this forum…just me)

At no point did I say any of you guys are cheating or doing anything illegal. I can only imagine the bitterness and resentment that is focused on you from non boxers on WoW as to the reason why you guys are so defensive now. Isn’t it a bit hypocritical for any of you to make wide blanket statement just because you don’t understand the situation (like cases where people say your botting cause they don’t know what multiboxing is, or when people saying you have no life because you pay for more than one account – just because they can’t pay for more than one account, doesn’t mean you can’t – by extension, if you don’t want to pay for a hardware solution, and I can and want to…don’t fault me for it)

You folks also realize I’m on the hardware forum section? For everyone to keep telling me to use software cause it’s “better” is pointless. If I wanted software feedback, I would of posted on the software forum.

I’m trying my hardest not to post on this thread anymore, but clearly people still want to drag this one out In addition, people are making me out as if I said things that I didn’t. Did you guy not read the part where I said I will use this for work as well? Or because it voids any of your arguments flat out, you will choose to ignore that parameter. I will be trading equities…as in “stocks”. I work in finance…as in I work on Wall Street. You can’t install outside software on a Bloomberg Terminal. If you don’t know what a Bloomberg Terminal is, I can’t be any clearer on why I want a hardware solution.

Hopefully this is the last thread about this here. Cause if someone wants to tell me software is the way to go, they better be able to a) show me a FINRA approved software or b) be a compliance officer at a clearing house.
As you play the victim, let me point something out. Taken directly from your initial post in this thread:


I had been weighting out the pros and cons of software vs. hardware solutions for some time now. I am leaning on the hardware route because of rumors (be it true or unfounded), of possible leaks into getting hacked. In addition to avoiding any possible issue of violating terms of service, hardware just seems like the way to go.

You mention nothing about trading stocks, Bloomberg terminals, FINRA, or anything else that restricts you to only using
hardware. Only after you begin to post again in your own thread, on page 2, you wonder where the hostility is coming
from and you begin hinting why you really need a hardware only solution. If you would have just flat out stated your
actual situation from the beginning instead of pointing your finger at software solutions and saying they're in the "gray
area," then this thread would be half as long as it currently is, with half as much bullshit, and I'm sure you would have
some real answers to your questions about hardware boxing.

As friendly and innocent as your initial post may have seemed to you, this community has heard enough from new
members mentioning "gray areas" and pointing fingers at software. We eat fingers for breakfast around here and they're
very delicious. From your initial post to your final post, your reasoning for hardware only is night and day. I could care less
if you start a new, honest, thread about why you really need info on hardware boxing; however, it won't be happening in
this one as this thread is closed.