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128z
11-08-2010, 12:33 PM
Dear All,

Today I've had ~7th ban of my account, for gold move from one my account to another my account. Again I must via web form write a complain & get my account back.. But it's time.. So my question is:
Maybe anyone knows how to transfer gold between accounts without ban? (I mean 100k-400k not 5g :D )
If you use mail for 10k+ = 99% ban
From character to character via trade window - 30%

I heard that gold sellers gives you something for gold.. like arrows or grey items..

Maybe there is some way to don't get ban? Maybe I need to add all my accounts to friends via realID?
Now all of them on my real name & all account names are similar like *****1 ****2 & so on..

Yes, I understand if I will transfer 100k in a small portions like 5k per 1 day = 90% that all be fine.. But I don't really want spend 80 days to transfer 400k :(

I've asked Blizzard & they can't say anything.. Not GM or accounting..

Siaea
11-08-2010, 12:56 PM
I use my private guild bank. Although, the most I've ever had was 40k at one time. Jamba has an option to automatically adjust your toon's gold when you open the guild bank. Mine's set to 10g, just enough for flight paths. Do my dailies/auction house/vendoring, then hit the guild bank.

Littleburst
11-08-2010, 01:05 PM
I think Sieae has a good point :)

Maybe even have a ticket open on both chars in which you explain you're not selling gold, I think they should notice that when they want to bann you?

128z
11-08-2010, 01:15 PM
Siaea tnx for tip, but my friend get ban because he used GB to give 20k to his girlfriend. Same as mail - only for small amounts of gold.


I think Sieae has a good point :)

Maybe even have a ticket open on both chars in which you explain you're not selling gold, I think they should notice that when they want to bann you?

tnx for advice, I'll try this next time.. and maybe write to accounting police ticket via webform to unban account in advance too.

But from this point of view if goldseller "Denis1@mail.com" sells to "Denis2@mail.com" etc. they must notice too :cool: But no chance for this.. I think it's a bot who ban ppls.. with some rules..:(

Shodokan
11-08-2010, 01:50 PM
The only time i have EVER received a suspension(it was 72 hours) or ban for giving gold in ANY amount was when i gave my friend 100k, and i was stupid to not have him take it out of the guild bank/give me items. I have never once had a suspension based upon gold given between characters (every 1 of my characters has given or received gold cap to another one of my characters at one point or another). My guild bank currently has 600k and at one point it had over 1.4 million. I have also transferred 5k+ at a time via mail with no problems between my characters...but those are on the same account.

A few safety tips(which i don't even use myself) is to always trade SOMETHING, preferably a blue or green for the gold. Red flags are "given" to transactions when over 15,000 gold for no items at all. All gold transactions through the mail over 10,000 that are not COD are flagged as well.

Having your own guild bank is a very good idea especially if you have as much gold as I do and will in the future. It also bypasses the security features if your guild ranks required to take out gold require an authenticator (post 4.0.1).

I suggest submitting tickets in game and talking to a GM directly about what has been happening, there are means to which your account can be put into an immunity from such flags if those transactions are between accounts registered to your battle.net account. If your accounts are spanned across multiple battle.net accounts you need to inform the GM staff about it so that measures can be taken to prevent this from happening. Ticketing through the site will not get this done as account administration has too much going on day in and day out with all the hacking and BS that goes on.

Hope that helped.

Mooni
11-08-2010, 02:11 PM
Blizzfail.
I really dislike how they've made things so restrictive on us normal players, and yet every day the gold sellers are still spamming mah trade channel.

128z
11-08-2010, 02:48 PM
If your accounts are spanned across multiple battle.net accounts you need to inform the GM staff about it so that measures can be taken to prevent this from happening. Ticketing through the site will not get this done as account administration has too much going on day in and day out with all the hacking and BS that goes on.

Hope that helped.

Tnx for your input. GB and mail very good if you have all on one bnet account. For me it's 5 different accounts.
Tnx for tip with COD & greed items :)

How I can inform GM stuff? And what exactly I must ask them? Any Ideas? I've called to tech support with this question, I've registered several tickets.. & no one really helps me :(

BrothelMeister
11-08-2010, 02:53 PM
Yea, guild banks are probably a good idea.

Just thinking, I'm about to hand someone 25K to make me 2 mechano-hogs, with them not giving me the item back for a few minutes, does the ban take place immediately, or do they ban you after like an hour?

128z
11-08-2010, 02:57 PM
Yea, guild banks are probably a good idea.

Just thinking, I'm about to hand someone 25K to make me 2 mechano-hogs, with them not giving me the item back for a few minutes, does the ban take place immediately, or do they ban you after like an hour?

Sometimes you get ban after few days :(

ciscokid454
11-08-2010, 03:08 PM
i've transferred alot of gold around via email, as well as direct character trading and guild bank withdraws, never heard anything from a GM. A non boxer friend of mine that does Raid achievement/mount sales runs every friday, moves millions of gold around, and same thing.

Mickthathick
11-08-2010, 03:46 PM
I was it with a 72 hour ban after I bought a mount off the AH for 50k, took over 12 hours to reverse it which was the annoying part.

Seems that I was banned automatically given the GM reply, as mentioned above keep using the in game ticket to try to get your account flagged as non-goldseller.

Ualaa
11-08-2010, 05:33 PM
I would open a ticket on all of your toons.

Specifically asking that a note be made that your accounts are being multiboxed by the same person.
Mention Blizzard can check that each account is run from the same IP address.
And that they each have the same registered address on them.

I have five different B.Net accounts, with one Warcraft account per B.Net.
Whenever I do transfers, I mail from my banker to a character on the same account who belongs to the team that needs the gold.
That toon then distributes the gold to each character on that team.
Have done that with gold for Epic Flyers, on multiple teams.

Littleburst
11-08-2010, 07:39 PM
I would open a ticket on all of your toons.

Specifically asking that a note be made that your accounts are being multiboxed by the same person.


I asked this on EU realms, twice even. Both told me there is no such thing as a note attached to an account/char/whatever.

Ualaa
11-08-2010, 08:37 PM
Over the years, I've seen quite a few posts here, where people mention doing that.
Did not actually get a GM response when I did my ticket, was offline by the time it got answered.

Not sure if there is policy differences between the US and the EU realms.

Prega
11-09-2010, 05:23 AM
as said, use gbank for these things with your chars. it looks safer way.

several months ago, i offered some presents to my friends: golds and chopper mounts.
i opened a ticket before these donations.
In-game GM told me that there was a risk doing these operations: their automated system about survey tradings could flag me and suspend/ban me.
GM suggestion was, in case, to contact them and explain the facts, advicing about this current ingame ticket.
but he told me too... to avoid open a ticket to advice them about my transactions, not useful and nothing they can do before:so...a curious nonsense.
luckly, here it was not needed: nothing happened.

+ recently i helped total re-gearing a friend that decided to stop playing and deleted his char and after decided to come back, but got char restored from delete ->naked. traded with him almost a full gear. again, nothing happened.

i m often involved in little "lend me" activities: 2k to friend, 3k to other friend etc. no issues.
some weeks ago moved 70/80k gold through neutral ah to my horde team. again all it s gone ok.

i think now there is, probably, a sort of limit for single operation.
over that value you get 100% automatically flagged.

Kojii
11-09-2010, 09:15 AM
Yep I got a banned for Abuse of the Economy as my wife on her account gave me 15k for a mount, I reply to the email and explain what happened it took 6 days for them to account access restored and they accused me of buying gold >.<

Only yesterday I logged in again and another ban, this time I had no idea why I go banned so this time I phoned them up, the guy on the other end of the phone asked me what I had been over the last few days that might be suspision? hmmm
Well I bought Blood of the mountain and Ingots on 3 different toons on 3 different servers for the toons to be transfered to my main server. ( I bought these on the server coz they were cheap and esp rare Blood of the mountain are really hard to find on AH on the server tat im on)
At the time I didnt think of any that I would get banned for that, but he said its looks very suspicion.
I explained my action for this this to create a legendary weapon for our small guild for the achievements in cata. He said he will be sending a letter to the other department, and why I have do them actions So i guess I will be waiting another 6 days ;(

I been Ive been playing since 3 weeks since Wow game out many moons again, there is no reason for me to be buying or selling gold!!
Thou I always said that if i got a permant ban I wouldnt come back to the world of warcraft
Starting from nothing with no gold, no boes and no 80s bah forget it. I would find something else to interest me,

I think its best just to send GM a message explaining ur actions what u are going to do and play it safe that way.
LOL i think every action I do i feel like send a GM a message !!!
coz waiting for my account to restored is BULLSHIT. 6 days to do others things.

Pallarfo
11-09-2010, 10:13 AM
When I was prepping for a server transfer, I created a GM ticket.
Blizz told me they were happy I did, so when/if the alarmbells went off, they knew about it.
Amount of gold was around 40k.

128z
11-10-2010, 12:15 AM
Just for test I've create ticket for GM team, I've explain situation & give all my accounts name.. It was 30+ hours ago.. still no answer.. But I'm 90% sure that there will be no real help, only some standard answer :(
However from my point of view Blizz support is best game support ever, so I don't really blame them.

zenga
11-10-2010, 12:34 AM
However from my point of view Blizz support is best game support ever, so I don't really blame them.

Totally agree here. You might have the odd case where a GM is unknowing, woke up in a bad mood, or has a bad day. But if you read throughout this site how people got helped over the phone/ingame, then it's a pretty awesome CS.

On topic: my accounts are all in the same bnet. A few weeks ago I traded way over 1m g at 200k a time from toon A to toon B (basically I pulled the gold out of gbank 1 to store it into another gbank), nothing happened. I swap quite often 10-30k around in a trade window, without anything in return, never had probs. This while I often use 2 different IP's at the same time. Nor did I ever contact any GM whatsoever about this.

My only guess is that the flagging system has 2 tiers. Once you got flagged for whatever reason, the security checks are way more strict.

Drizhal
11-10-2010, 01:45 AM
Totally agree here. You might have the odd case where a GM is unknowing, woke up in a bad mood, or has a bad day. But if you read throughout this site how people got helped over the phone/ingame, then it's a pretty awesome CS.

On topic: my accounts are all in the same bnet. A few weeks ago I traded way over 1m g at 200k a time from toon A to toon B (basically I pulled the gold out of gbank 1 to store it into another gbank), nothing happened. I swap quite often 10-30k around in a trade window, without anything in return, never had probs. This while I often use 2 different IP's at the same time. Nor did I ever contact any GM whatsoever about this.

My only guess is that the flagging system has 2 tiers. Once you got flagged for whatever reason, the security checks are way more strict.

Completely have to disagree where they are "Good" or even "Great" support, they are on par perhaps but nothing special.
I was hacked back in 09, when I attempted to call CS to figure out what was wrong with my account (Couldn't reset password repeatedly) they sent a password reset to the e-mail on file which was promptly reverted back to the hacker pw. Before I could even click the link the guy on the other line goes "Well that will fix it, you need to hang up now." I told him simply No not until I can actually get in the game, he responded by hanging up. Awesome customer service there.

Of course I wasn't able to get in as the gold farmer was currently cleaning out my account. I called back and got yet another d-bag. This one gave me a simple run around, I told him my security question had been compromised, he said "Don't share you password or security question with anyone, I am sending you a password reset, have a great day." Then again, this guy hung up too.

This was just 2 of the problems during this one incident. Not to mention 2 cases of "Accidental" over billing and more run around.

Great customer service? No far from it. Better then Turbine or similar companies, Ya probably. But apparently results...drastically.

But on topic... Previous to this incident I used to trade gold pretty easily with no trouble, but after being "compromised" and only -1- account was at the time compromised if I trade any amount of cash over about 15-16K I get the axe. All accounts under my name seem to be flagged.It seems once flagged you will always be flagged even after repeated tickets/phone calls stating "I am not a gold seller!"

Sbrowne55
11-10-2010, 03:40 AM
Sounds fishy to me.

Also note they look at where and what the gold is doing... With that said, could that gold have been eventually been up to no good? Depending on how it was moved around they tie it back to everyone. Just a thought if you ever consider selling gold... Not worth it...

128z
11-11-2010, 08:44 AM
Just for test I've create ticket for GM team, I've explain situation & give all my accounts name.. It was 30+ hours ago.. still no answer.. But I'm 90% sure that there will be no real help, only some standard answer :(
However from my point of view Blizz support is best game support ever, so I don't really blame them.

Yeap, nothing, just small mail something like.. we sorry for troubles, there is no way to help you, if you have any more questions ***..

p.s. best way to move gold is to have all on one BNet account :(

confusedtx5
11-11-2010, 11:05 AM
Only time I've copped a ban for moving gold (20k) between toons, I was given the response 'don't use proxy servers when moving gold around because the IPs used are the same as gold spammers'.....yeah, my bad.

But come-on, between toons on the same battle.net acct should always be fine.

Nitro
11-11-2010, 12:45 PM
I've have around 600k gold and 13 accounts. I've done tons of moving my gold around via mail, server to server buy and sell, faction AH, face to face, different b.net accounts, etc and never had an issue yet.

BrothelMeister
11-11-2010, 05:00 PM
Well I handed 25000 Gold, and a lot of materials to someone to make me two bikes, and I didn't get anything in return for atleast an hour, and I didn't get banned.

Not sure what causes their system to flip out, but that clearly isn't it.

Ualaa
11-11-2010, 05:42 PM
I have five warcaft accounts, each on its own battle net.
The registered owner information is the same, but they are on different B.Net's.

I've had my banker give 20-25k, to a toon on the same account (via game mail).
And then had that toon distribute 4-5k to each of the others.
Then have all five purchase their epic flyers.

I've also directly mailed 20k to five brand new level 2 characters.
Which was actually a screw up, since I had to wait an hour on four of them.
Again, they were all on my warcraft accounts/battle.net accounts.
They're my Cataclysm speculation team, 100k in mats (less the cost of bank tabs).
But will be a lot easier to track exactly how much each makes that way.