AV this weekend

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well last AV weekend some LoB Warlocks just tore through me like I wasn't even there.

This weekend though it looked like a 5 DK group died to me a couple of times (although always killing one or two of my guys), my guys got a lot stronger at 78 with the crafted gear that has resilence on it, all 7 mages had full sets of it and resil in the 300's.

Anyway felt good to make a much better showing (although it was 8 to 5) this time around.


See ya on the BattleField.

[Zub]

6 weeks to Cata, how many you reckon you'll have at 80 by then ?

[Hivetyrant]

I was the 5 DK's from frostmourne fighting along side you a few times, the rage from people about one multiboxer was fun but having two was pure gold, all in all a great weekend.

[roflstomp]

i was helping u to sam but i faction transfered

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya I did notice I was getting some help, sorry I can't talk in game very well but when I am running a lot of characters I really dont have time to type much of anything.

It was a lot of fun, can't wait for next AV weekend.

I doubt Ill have any more 80 by Cata. I need to start on the mage project. Here are my plans:


http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=27387364781&postId=273977425625

[Mokoi]

We, the alliance wanted to thank you for giving us those games that day. You really gimped the horde sufficiently and really came through as a double-agent. We especially wanted to thank you for taking up all the spots, while still managing to be the most useless boxer we have ever seen, perhaps playing your part as the struggling calf in the river too well. Your gold is in the mail, we can't WAIT to see you in the lvl 80 bracket to really take advantage of your skills.

[Owltoid]

Is there really a need for the hostility? :(

[Kicksome]

lol

[Owltoid]

I wish someone would have FRAPS'd it! Even if Sam did get rolled it would have been cool to see that many toon in action.

[Mokoi]

It wasn't that interesting, Sam was employing very subtle tactics including standing around ressing, healing and arcane explosion spam when things got close. it was a carefully schemed ploy to help us win =)

[Fursphere]

We, the alliance wanted to thank you for giving us those games that day. You really gimped the horde sufficiently and really came through as a double-agent. We especially wanted to thank you for taking up all the spots, while still managing to be the most useless boxer we have ever seen, perhaps playing your part as the struggling calf in the river too well. Your gold is in the mail, we can't WAIT to see you in the lvl 80 bracket to really take advantage of your skills.

You just made my day. :D

[Mokoi]

I miss your treasure trail, Fur..

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I did kill the LoB dks more then once (although I lost one or two of my guys). If I am such a bad boxer how did LoB characters die to me? And why would I not rez my one or two dead out of eight? Thats bad play?

What statistic establishes how much work you do in a AV? Wow keeps very detailed statistics and I would be more then interested to see if indeed I am pulling my weight or not. Show me a LoB character that you feel is doing a lot as a boxer and lets do a comparison of statistics.

Ya sometimes I am rezzing and doing nothing and other times I am killing tons of ally. Ya individual players will be better then boxed toons no doubt.

One game my shaman did 400K plus in healing and was top horde healer. And my guys always end up at least 50 percent or higher of horde sorted by honor at the end of the game. If you sort by honor at the end of the game does not that tell you who did the most work. I can't belive that some guy afk in the cave will get more honor at the end of the game then someone playing hard.

Also my guys are NEVER in a group together so grounding totem dosn't stop fear on anyone but the shaman.

Ya AFTER I get done killing ally with scorch at range then I do a ae spam which I continue until I die. Lets not forget Ally spicifcally will target me first when they see me and know I am boxing.

Well lets see I tell horde "Go to Galv first then take out Bal" 70 percent of horde go to Bal leaving me a 7 others to defend Galv and Ally is smart enough to sent 100 percent of their guys to Galv and so its my 8 and 7 other (15 vs. 40) and we get slaughtered and that makes me a bad player ..... sure.

Alternatively I could join on the offensive but the way the map is (our npc's are to far from the boss to help and do nothing), the bridge is a built in choke point, and Galv is just plain closer to ally then Bal is to us, if both sides do a 100percent pure rush Ally auto wins. Also horde is to stupid to stay in the North and South bunkers after they cap them and ally send one rogue in and we lose yet again.

Horde loses 60-70percent of AV no matter if I play or if I don't play.

I play to win, not to look good, I get a LOT more exp if we win then if we lose. If I get steamrolled because the best stratagy is for me to go to Galv then thats just how it is.

But no matter my goal in AV is to get EXP and I now have 9 level 80's.


Ok here is a DK who was in AV last weekend, he is 80 now so I don't know if this is the one I faced but:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&cn=Chiji&gn=Legion+of+Boom

His win lose in AV is 4-13 22percent wins

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&cn=Samdeathwmcg&gn=The+DeathWalker+Empire

Mine is 48-211 18percent wins


Ok lol its Mokoi's guys that died to me. Chaji etc. I guess its 4 died to my 8 well .... They just made 80 and got some AV achivments so it must have been them.

How bad can I be when all 4 your guys died to me everytime we met? And what is your excuse for a pitifull 22 percent winning percentage?



Again what stat should we be looking at to see who is doing what.



Well if

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27Jaeden&n=Mcwrathi

is your main he dosn't look all that much better (if any) then my main, although you have more Resl then I do for sure which is critical, Its looks like I would have a higher average ilevel though.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&cn=Samdeathwkzz

[Zub]

Also my guys are NEVER in a group together so grounding totem dosn't stop fear on anyone but the shaman.
try Tremor :-) unless it's been removed in 4.0.1? haven't checked my shaman yet.

[Mokoi]

Dear Agent Sam,

Thanks for taking the time to buy all the crafted gear for your paladin six weeks before the launch of the expansion to further legitimize and entrench your role as a wonderful usurper of the horde. You will find a detailed breakdown of your activities and how they have helped our mutual cause below for your reference. Please pay special attention to the randomly selected control case at the bottom.

Alterac Valley

US Bloodlust lvl 80 AV Horde wins - 56% source (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/bg_list.php?id=1&lb=8&b=a)
US Bloodlust lvl 71-79 Horde wins - 71% source (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/bg_list.php?id=1&lb=7&b=av)

Your Mage / Shaman team AV win percentage - 18% (50~ / 260~) source (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&cn=Samdeathwmeb&gn=The+DeathWalker+Empire)
Your Paladin AV win percentage - 60% source (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&cn=Samdeathwkzz&gn=The+DeathWalker+Empire)

Combined tower caps on all your toons: 6
Combined tower defended on all your toons: 0

All Battlegrounds

US Bloodlust lvl 71-79 Horde Wins - 53% source (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/bg_list.php?id=1&lb=7&b=av)
US Bloodlust lvl 80 Horde Wins - 52% source (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/bg_list.php?id=1&lb=8)

Your Mage / Shaman team overall win - 17% (54 ~ / 311~) source (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&cn=Samdeathwmeb&gn=The+DeathWalker+Empire)
Your Paladin overall win - 60% source (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&cn=Samdeathwkzz&gn=The+DeathWalker+Empire)


Random toon on Alliance to compare with.

Mcwrathy, lvl 80 Shaman.

AV wins - 66% (98 / 149) source
(http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&cn=Mcwrathy&gn=Legion+of+Boom)Battleground wins - 67% (249 / 374) source (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&cn=Mcwrathy&gn=Legion+of+Boom)

BG objectives on only Mcwrathy : 156

There are others, like Eeny (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&cn=E%C3%A8ny), David (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&cn=Dav%C3%ADd&gn=Legion+of+Boom) and others who have captured / held / returned more objectives than even this case in less games.

Your utter and complete refusal to complete battleground objectives while still remaining active on the battleground (ressing your dead and spamming aoe to remain not AFK flagged) is commendable. This is truly a remarkable feat you have accomplished, and your excellent work will be displayed here for our other operatives on both sides to examine and learn from.

Thanks again, we look forward to doing business with you in the future.

Sincerely,

-Alliance

[Sam DeathWalker]

The horde/ally win stats are outdated and woefully incomplete.

Well I do go after Grave Yards but I can't go up in towers (auto follow fails) and I'm not going to move just one guy up into the tower and let the others stand and do nothing. Maybe if I was 4 boxing I might, but I do like to keep my guys always in battle because as you point out if I dont then its a wasted slot, espically seeing they are dps. Also if a horde single player is next to a flag (gy) that I can click on why would I spend the time to wait for the click and keep 7 other guys standing around doing nothing? Also Bal is a target, and what clicking on a Tower is more important then defending Galv? But ya clicking on towers is important, but its also important to keep the enemy from going into the tower..... If I kill the ally running into the tower so he can't take it back isn't that just as important as clicking on the tower?

You realize that if I solo killed Bal I would get less under your "capture objectives" standard then if I click on a single tower with one guy, which is more imporatant?

Well just what are your other guys doing while you have one that clicks on the tower? You can auto follow up to the top of the tower?


Doesn't honor at the end of the game take into consideration objectives? People who capture more objectives generally seem higher on the honor list then those who don't.

So you are saying a guy that clicks on a flag is better then a guy that does 400K in healing or 300K in damage? ....

So you running your 4 dk's into my aoe/frostnova "spam" and dieing was somehow a better strategy?

I'm not spamming to get away from a afk. I have 8 guys if 2-4 go down I might rez. If 6 go down and 2 are alive I run the 2 left alive into you guys spamming the AE so that my guy dies and all 8 are back to gether at the GY, rather then run the 6 back to the battle while 2 are sitting at the battle doing nothing, better to die and regroup (and Regen mana/hp), and I do some small damages dieing while running into ally.

Where are the objective stats anyway I dont see them under player v player.

I'm going to do SS of honor at the end of battles from now on, I am sure that Blizzard must have some way to award honor at the end that considers objectives, healing and damage done and kill shots, and killz.

Also now that i have 7dps, 1tank and 1 healer; I am WAY stronger then when I had 7dps and one healer. You could take out the shaman somewhat easy which goofs me up (and he was my only rezzer), with the Pal in the mix I'm much stronger (couldn't play the pal cause he was 80).

And check out the SS.... Thats what I do with 7 dps class. Kill Ally. There is a high resolution copy of it at my web site, first post. I think you're allegations of my trying to avoid being afk are very clearly refuted by that SS.

Yes well I will be looking forward to having you die at my feet again, its always a pleasure doing business with a disgruntled victim.

[Mokoi]

Agent Sam,

Sorry, I am not on a plane today with time to waste, so I'll be brief.

Thanks for your contributions to our cause. We appreciate your services. However, I have not had word of your actions in recent battlegrounds, if you could give us a code as to when you plan on being in the BGs again we will be sure to be there and utilize your double-agent skills.

-Alliance

[Hivetyrant]

*Grabs popcorn*

[Zub]

Also now that i have 7dps, 1tank and 1 healer; I am WAY stronger then when I had 7dps and one healer.
just curious, how does having a tank help in pvp? Are the opponents stupid enough to target the tank ?


DeathWalker hits End Game with NINE level 80's!
Also, this ^
curious to know how you progress in end game.

[Ualaa]

I suppose Drek/Galv or Belinda/Vandar can be tanked, with a tank.
Aside from that, a tank (over a DPS or Healer) doesn't get you much.

[MiRai]

just curious, how does having a tank help in pvp? Are the opponents stupid enough to target the tank ?



I suppose Drek/Galv or Belinda/Vandar can be tanked, with a tank.
Aside from that, a tank (over a DPS or Healer) doesn't get you much.
First, as Ualaa pointed out, hell yes you will need a tank if you ever plan on rushing Drek/Vann with all the Warmasters up. Second,
lol2500ratedarena Protection Warriors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Wb566ZGas)? I'm sure you can do more searches on YouTube for more sexy Prot Warrior Arena/PvP.

Yours Truly,
Fenril, Protection Warrior and Keeper of the Mangose

[Zub]

I agree for the PVE part of battlegrounds, you will need to have a tank around. or at least someone will


Also now that i have 7dps, 1tank and 1 healer; I am WAY stronger then when I had 7dps and one healer. You could take out the shaman somewhat easy which goofs me up (and he was my only rezzer), with the Pal in the mix I'm much stronger (couldn't play the pal cause he was 80).
From what I read I think Sam is usually defending Galv, or farming kills. the above quote seems to indicate a second rezzer rather than a dps tank :-)

Also found in another thread

Unless you plan to transfer them to another account later.....
There is no way that a 5 shaman team is better for pvp then 1 pal / 4 shaman.
If the Pal is your leader you will draw fire to the Pal who will be harder to kill then a shaman.
..



As for high rated Prot specs, for sure people make them work well (even at low level now, have you see how hard a glyphed avenger's shield hit for?) but in a group of 7 mages.. not sure of the utility,. Taunt doesn't work too much on players (i wish it did change target or something though :-)

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well ya. I don't use FTL so if my leader goes down I can't move the other guys (opps), still even dead I can target and the others, although they cannot move (as a group) will still kill ally in the area, then I run them one at a time (I always ahve the ablitily to play one character at a time as good as any single player but the others stand and do nothing in the mean time) into ally spaming archane explosion untill all die. So beacuse I don't use FTL I am more suseptable to loss onece my main is killed. Still the restro shaman is usually the last one standing cause I target himslef with the chain heals and let the 2nd and 3rd heals heal the mages. And he has his self rez so its not so bad as it sounds.

Of course the Shaman is the target of the enemy and at some point with 5 guys attacking him his heals are interupted and he dies ....

Now add in the Prot Pal and the Shaman healer is targeting the Pal with the first chain heal (and puts riptide on himself), well the Pal is unlikely to go down against even 5 guys and with bubble and self healing probably alwasy going to be the last of my guys to die. Also I think with earth sheild and riptide on the shaman and the chain heal on the pal the shaman is better healing himself then having no riptide and doing the first chain heal on himself (chain heal eats riptide so ...).

They going to attack the Pal first, won't work cause he is being healed. So they target the healer first which gives my Pal free movement and my whole group free movement then to get out of aoe's and just be free to kill whomever. With just the shaman he is having not to move to cast chain heal, and is getting slowed and buffs striped etc. I could just park the shaman and the Pal will still have the group moving out of aoe's etc. The mages being able to do full offensive while on the move is a nice plus.

Pal means I will be always able to target and move as a group untill the mages die basically and thats a big plus for me. And if the shaman goes down and I win I can rez with the Pal even if the self rez is down.

I just can't see how a 5 shaman group would be better then a 4 shaman 1 Pal group under any circumstances, even with FLT.

The reason I have not set up FLT is that I am set up around 36 boxing and if someone can kill my pal with 22 healers (well now 7) I figure let them win.

The Prot Pal allows me to move freely as a group and target enemy untill all the mages die as the Prot Pal will normally be the last character standing, prot pal is not for dps.

And prot pal does have some very nice stuns effective against single characters, if I see a Priest running at me for physic screem well a hammer of judgment gonna stop that fasts, and the Pal has the 2 second silence racial also.

I doubt I will be doing much "end game" between now and cata, I have 15 level 1 undead mages (wotf) to level up ..... and another 12 characters at level 50 plus to get to 80 ..... bleh.

[Hivetyrant]

The reason I have not set up FLT is that I am set up around 36 boxing and if someone can kill my pal with 22 healers (well now 7) I figure let them win.

.

Wait.... What!!?!?

Could you elaborate? I don't see why that's a good reason not to have some form of FTL...

I thought the old saying of "kill the leader and the boxer is screwed" was an old wives tale, sad to see that's not the case

[MiRai]

Wait.... What!!?!?

Could you elaborate? I don't see why that's a good reason not to have some form of FTL...

I thought the old saying of "kill the leader and the boxer is screwed" was an old wives tale, sad to see that's not the case
I'm pretty sure there aren't 36 FTL key modifier combinations at the moment until JMB comes out. Then maybe we can virtually utilize
other keyboards and input devices as such.

[Zub]

I'm pretty sure there aren't 36 FTL key modifier combinations at the moment until JMB comes out. Then maybe we can virtually utilize
other keyboards and input devices as such.
possibly. not sure though since there are 6 modifiers in ISBoxer so (unless mistaken) that leaves 2^6=64 combinations.
to be confirmed

[MiRai]

possibly. not sure though since there are 6 modifiers in ISBoxer so (unless mistaken) that leaves 2^6=64 combinations.
to be confirmed
1. You can't double up on left and right modifiers of the same key [ie LSHift + RShift cannot be used together].
2. Reverse combinations of modifier keys are the same as their counterpart [ie LShift + RAlt is the same thing as RAlt + LShift]
essentially reducing the total number.
3. Every list needs at least 3 items.

[MiRai]

I think this is all 19 combinations:


LCtrl
LCtrl LShift
LCtrl LAlt
LCtrl LShift LAlt
LCtrl RShift
LCtrl RAlt
LCtrl RShift RAlt
LCtrl LShift RAlt
LCtrl LAlt RShift

LShift
LShift LAlt
LShift RCtrl
LShift RAlt
LShift RCtrl RAlt
LShift LAlt RCtrl

LAlt
LAlt RCtrl
LAlt RShift
LAlt RCtrl RShiftPlease double check this because I'd like to know myself for sure.

[Zub]

I think this is all 19 combinations:


LCtrl
LCtrl LShift
LCtrl LAlt
LCtrl LShift LAlt
LCtrl RShift
LCtrl RAlt
LCtrl RShift RAlt
LCtrl LShift RAlt
LCtrl LAlt RShift

LShift
LShift LAlt
LShift RCtrl
LShift RAlt
LShift RCtrl RAlt
LShift LAlt RCtrl

LAlt
LAlt RCtrl
LAlt RShift
LAlt RCtrl RShiftPlease double check this because I'd like to know myself for sure.
1. you're quite possibly right
2. I don't care enough to double check
3. you're right on that point as well :-)

[Hivetyrant]

I'm pretty sure there aren't 36 FTL key modifier combinations at the moment until JMB comes out. Then maybe we can virtually utilize
other keyboards and input devices as such.
That makes sense then, still, a shame it can't be done.

[Zub]

That makes sense then, still, a shame it can't be done.
then again, Sam is only playing 8 toons in the same bracket.

[Lax]

Luckily, FTL does not need to be arbitrarily limited. The real limitation of FTL (as far as ISBoxer is concerned) is that you need a separate macro per Character, per Character (meaning that each of them needs a macro capable of following or assisting any other given character) -- not that they have to be on the same key. Having them on the same key is a shortcut.

WARNING: The rest of this is ADVANCED.

So... for anyone who WANTS to go beyond the natural limitations of the built-in system.... read on. But make sure you're sitting down, and have lots of coffee or something. Prepare to be confused, you have been warned. Anyone else, I highly recommend you just stop reading now before you start thinking that this is some necessary part of ISBoxer that you need to learn in order to be successful. It's not and you don't.

I described how an FTL-like system can be implemented for pretty much any game as of ISBoxer 35 in this post: http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=233. Then Creo, a LOTRO player, took it to heart and implemented it for his LOTRO configuration. In the same way, this can be done for WoW instead of using the built-in FTL implementation, in order to reach more than the number of possible combinations on a single macro.

So first you need a set of macros with /assist for every single character (Same for /follow if you want /follow to work). Then you need a master Assist mapped key with a hotkey for manual assist (I'll call it "Manual Assist"), an Assist mapped key without a hotkey for a Do Mapped Key Action to do (e.g. from the master or from an FTL DPS Key, etc; I'll call it "Assist Leader"). The Manual Assist, or the FTL DPS Keys, will simply Do Mapped Key to do "Assist Leader", which will be virtualized depending on who's "leader" at the time so it does not need to do anything at all. You can put a Popup Text Action in it to warn yourself if your system is not working.

Assuming you're using multiple PCs the most reliable method of virtualizing the Mapped Key is probably going to be to build it into the mapped key(s) you're manually hitting (as opposed to when you switch active windows). So you'd have something like the "Slot ### is leader" mapped keys from Ualaa's guide, but it'd be by Character rather than Slot, then you'd have a master "I am leader" mapped key. For each Character, you would virtualize "I am leader" as the Character-specific leader mapped key (e.g. "character XXX is leader"). This is done by selecting the Character in the top pane and "Virtual Mapped Keys" in the bottom left pane, then on the right you can make it read "I am leader" is now "character XXX is leader". That way, before your auto-assist you use a Do Mapped Key Action that does "I am leader" in the CURRENT WINDOW, and regardless of which character you're playing they will interpret it as their own "character XXX is leader".

Now... for each "character XXX is leader" Mapped Key, you put in a Mapped Key Virtualization Action. The "Assist Leader" mapped key I described above needs to be virtualized as this Character's /assist mapped key. Same can be done for /follow ("Follow Leader").

As far as the actual /assist <char> mapped keys, you can create a few WoW Macros similar to the FTL macro, using [mod:whatever] to have up to N combinations on a single hotkey, and then use a Keystroke Action to send the keystroke instead of duplicating the WoW Macro 40 times in your configuration. Just put the WoW Macros in a Mapped Key that will never be used, in a Key Map that is active (e.g. the Control key map, don't put a Hotkey on the Mapped Key, and you can put all your WoW Macros in the same Step of this Mapped Key. its only purpose is to hold/create the macros)

It's a simple concept (interpret X as Y), but kind of a complex use of it, and somewhat time consuming to set up. All that's happening is you're telling "Assist Leader" to translate to a different Mapped Key depending on which guy you're pressing buttons on.

I'd be happy to help someone through this as needed

[MiRai]

Good lord...

[daviddoran]

I just can't see how a 5 shaman group would be better then a 4 shaman 1 Pal group under any circumstances, even with FLT.



Don't make such a blanket statement. Gear and skill has a huge impact. The pal +4 shaman team has additional survivability, at the expense of less burst dps. A good shaman boxer would ignore the paladin up front, hoping he blows his bubble, and nuke the 4 shaman behind him, then finish off the helpless paladin.

[roflstomp]

thats y i play 4 sham or my 5sham 5th as healer omg my gf is loading wow gotta go RAF wooot sam death u just fail even the horde team says that.

[blast3r]

thats y i play 4 sham or my 5sham 5th as healer omg my gf is loading wow gotta go RAF wooot sam death u just fail even the horde team says that.

One of my shaman has been dual-spec'd restro for a while but only until recently started using a healer in BGs. Wow, what a difference that can make! Just do a heal/earth shield/combo thingy on target=targettarget that fires off every time I hit my dps or dot key. Insanely awesome.

[roflstomp]

Ok Sam ill make u a deal we will queue for an av together and ill bring my 4 shamans to u un av and we will see if ur 9 ccan beat my 4 if u will the trash talk will stop if not u agree ur not as great as u think u are and then u listen to what others say on here we reds on the forum can help u we kno how to dominate in wow and I am sure we can help u u just have to ask us for help. We all run arenas and know how to play well. I'm not meaning to would like a dick but ur skills rnt as good as u say and I ten box in av and have no problems with tower yes ten in a tower is a lot but if I can hold it with ur ten the there not useless

[Èlemental]

Ok Sam ill make u a deal we will queue for an av together and ill bring my 4 shamans to u un av and we will see if ur 9 ccan beat my 4 if u will the trash talk will stop if not u agree ur not as great as u think u are and then u listen to what others say on here we reds on the forum can help u we kno how to dominate in wow and I am sure we can help u u just have to ask us for help. We all run arenas and know how to play well. I'm not meaning to would like a dick but ur skills rnt as good as u say and I ten box in av and have no problems with tower yes ten in a tower is a lot but if I can hold it with ur ten the there not useless

Hi rofl! I just wanted to say I had a blast playing with you a few weekends ago! Sorry you had to lose so much since your pug horde groups suck. Anyways hope to see you at eighty with either my shamans or my NOW LEVEL 80 RESTO DRUIDS! YAY! =D

Oh PS. I hate your burst, I mean I saw you coming, I click barkskin AND BAM..... *Clicks release*

[roflstomp]

lol am ally now so no more hate :)

[Ualaa]

I can see the argument for Pally + 4x Shaman > 5x Shaman... in some situations.
Cannot see that Pally + 4x Shaman is always better then 5x Shaman.

Take Sam for example.
He already has: 1x Pally and 4x Shammy, as the first group.
In Sam's current non- FTL setup, which would support this group more:
a) 30 additional Shammies; or
b) 25 additional Shammies, and 5 additional Prot Paladins.

[Zub]

I can see the argument for Pally + 4x Shaman > 5x Shaman... in some situations.
Cannot see that Pally + 4x Shaman is always better then 5x Shaman.

Take Sam for example.
He already has: 1x Pally and 4x Shammy, as the first group.
In Sam's current non- FTL setup, which would support this group more:
a) 30 additional Shammies; or
b) 25 additional Shammies, and 5 additional Prot Paladins.


in Sam's case, i think he means to have a meat shield to absord the player hate, and to have a very sturdy lead (since no FTL possible)
i would guess that a) is the correct answer. 1 main, super buffed, super sturdy lead, and as many as you can dps/heals slaves.

to kill it, you'll either have to go for the head and hope you can kill it quick enough, (and then it's gg, free 30 HK) or you chop the slaves one by one until only remains the now useless lead

[Sam DeathWalker]

ten box in av and have no problems with tower yes ten in a tower is a lot but if I can hold it with ur ten the there not useless


So I should have taken my 8 guys and just used them to hold a single tower?

You saw the SS where I am most of the top slots in honor in a won game where I had the most honorable kills. Its better to hold ONE tower (ya I can get all my guys to the top of one tower and sit there the whole game easy) then to do that? I find that hard to belive. Show your best SS of the end of a AV sorted by honor or by any method you feel is fair. I'v shown my best.

Here is the best I have done: http://samdeathwalker.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102&d=1288525576&cmps=1

Post your best.


No after the First Lead I don't need more prot pals so of course more dps/healers (30 shaman and 1 pal is way better then 25 shaman and 6 pal for sure).

I have 2 prot pal in case I need an off tank plus one is 80 now and i need a leader to bring the others up through the levels.


Sure next AV weekend I will be online all the time. Not sure how we would get into the same battle plus Im not going to play all 4 days on my level 80 guys as they are level 80 and I am in battlegrounds for exp, not gear. But ya Ill play a few and if LoB wants to meet me midfield with 9 or less guys Ill do my best to help set it up. Or if you want to compare then take out some world mob that is agressive to both horde and ally. Take out the strongest mob you can with accounts that you own, as many as you want, then Ill try the same mob wiht my 9 and we see what happens.


Ya I can get my whole crew up to the top of a tower if I slowly move one step at a time, thats just stupid to waste all that potential dps for nothing, and just SIT there the whole game instead of kill 125 ally ? LoL thats just silly.

You run FOUR guys up to the top of a tower so one can click on it?

Why not I take Grave Yards, just as important in many respects and let others take Towers, I have no trouble with Grave Yards (or the boss or Bal). Also I am standing at the base of the tower and kill ally who try and enter, if we have the tower then that is protecting the tower just as well as being up at the top right?




1 main, super buffed, super sturdy lead, and as many as you can dps/heals slaves.



Exactly the enemy is forced to attack your strongest best geared most hp most being healed character or you get free movement and target without FLT. And if you go after the mages, well my focus fire should be better then yours if I have more guys and my crew is all still together just minus a few dead .... How you gonna attack 22 mages. You are one shot at 40 yards, and if you get close you are hit with round robin frost nova and arcane explosions (not to mention what ring of frost will do)..... we will see.



A good shaman boxer would ignore the paladin up front, hoping he blows his bubble, and nuke the 4 shaman behind him, then finish off the helpless paladin.

Prot Palidens are never exactly Helpless and really hard to kill. Well I gave up on Shaman for DPS. Lets see what happens with a paliden with 4 mages casting ON THE MOVE at 40 yards runs up against 5 shaman who cant move and dps and need to be at 30 yards for their main dps spell .....

Im moving, you are stationary, my range is 40 yards your range is 30 yards, whats going to happen? Also scorch casts at 1.5seconds with no other cooldown and takes zero mana ....

[Mokoi]

Agent Sam,

Good hearing from you, and we are glad to have you on our team. We wanted to show you what some of your teammates are accomplishing while you are taking one for the team as a double-agent working for the alliance as a horde. It's a difficult task hamstringing them as you do, but we applaud your continued efforts on the battlefield.

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It had been more difficult in times past for those of us who have been 80 for some time, and even those who were 70 a couple years ago. The screenshots of those days could not be shown as we don't have time to reminisce that far back.

Now that you are on our team, and after a long, long, long, long road, finally lvl 80 JUST in time for the next expansion, we are in a much better position if you are working with us on the battlefield to obtain screenshots of victory even more spectacular than those, and cause so much grief on the horde chat, which we are very sorry you must endure, that must be extremely difficult.

Hang in there, together we will make Alliance even stronger!

-Alliance

[roflstomp]

ok sam horde = turtle thats y u think that us ally take towers with 8 ppl in them to make sure u dont take the tower back from us then we move to next and so on. we win by towers and bosses not kills 600 kills takes 45 min 4 towers 2 bosses takes 10 min. see my point. and fuck world events if it wasnt so costly to switch realms id transfer my 4 shams over to ur realm to camp u all day and WTF ROFL PWN UR NUB A$$. plz learn to play av this isnt eq or lotro or ff. this game isnt numbers its skill. my right finger has more skill than ur whole body. stop thinking your ruinous. your not but ur just like them think ur pro but it take 5 times more players to kill one toon. ie 8 u vs. 1 skilled player. im totaly sick of u thinking that ur the best just listen for once to some verry skilled muliboxers of how to win av and for ss im not taking any i dont have to prove my self every one here and in lob knows i know what im talking about and know im more skilled than u. KK THX BYE!

[zenga]

World first lvl 85 in your guys bg incoming?

[Zub]

ok sam horde = turtle thats y u think that us ally take towers with 8 ppl in them to make sure u dont take the tower back from us then we move to next and so on. we win by towers and bosses not kills 600 kills takes 45 min 4 towers 2 bosses takes 10 min. see my point. and fuck world events if it wasnt so costly to switch realms id transfer my 4 shams over to ur realm to camp u all day and WTF ROFL PWN UR NUB A$$. plz learn to play av this isnt eq or lotro or ff. this game isnt numbers its skill. my right finger has more skill than ur whole body. stop thinking your ruinous. your not but ur just like them think ur pro but it take 5 times more players to kill one toon. ie 8 u vs. 1 skilled player. im totaly sick of u thinking that ur the best just listen for once to some verry skilled muliboxers of how to win av and for ss im not taking any i dont have to prove my self every one here and in lob knows i know what im talking about and know im more skilled than u. KK THX BYE!
that was painful. please make moaar paragraphs

[Sam DeathWalker]

Are those recent SS from last week? How do you get 2400 or so honor in 12 mintues .... ?

Obvisouly some of those are not AV.

Ya well no doubt you are doing more then I am, old or not thats a lot of damage, and killz to deaths is looking good as well, I have more work to do for sure but time will tell.

Well whatever. I just take consulation in the fact the DK's die to me 3-4 times.

Well time to level up the new mages.

See ya on the battlefield, dead at my feet.

[Zub]

Are those recent SS from last week? How do you get 2400 or so honor in 12 mintues .... ?

Obvisouly some of those are not AV.

Ya well no doubt you are doing more then I am, old or not thats a lot of damage, and killz to deaths is looking good as well, I have more work to do for sure but time will tell.

Well whatever. I just take consulation in the fact the DK's die to me 3-4 times.

Well time to level up the new mages.

See ya on the battlefield, dead at my feet.
So in short, you stated you were doing the best job in the world, challenged the word to beat you and presented one nice screenshot (stating that was your best) with 59 honor gained. (you also stated that honor gained is YOUR metric of choice)

Mokoi came back with half a dozen screenshots showing him gaining 1700-2500 honor per match.

and now you conclude by saying Well, whatever, and go by a different metric altogether (kills on a different team)


All good, nothing has changed.
Move along people.

[Kicksome]

Ok Sam ill make u a deal we will queue for an av together and ill bring my 4 shamans to u un av and we will see if ur 9 ccan beat my 4 if u will the trash talk will stop if not u agree ur not as great as u think u are and then u listen to what others say on here we reds on the forum can help u we kno how to dominate in wow and I am sure we can help u u just have to ask us for help. We all run arenas and know how to play well. I'm not meaning to would like a dick but ur skills rnt as good as u say and I ten box in av and have no problems with tower yes ten in a tower is a lot but if I can hold it with ur ten the there not useless

Translation:
Dear Samwise Deathwalker,
Let's come to terms on a gentleman's agreement. I proposed the following; We both queue for Alterac Vally at the same time. Once we both find ourselves in the same Alterac Vally, I'll search for your players with my four shamans, with the intent to best your nine player team. This will give you ample opportunity to determine if your nine players, can beat my four shaman in a fair right. If I do defeat you, then you agree to stop "trash talking", for lack of a better term.

I would highly suggest listening to what others on the forum say, simple because we are here to help you. Many of us run Arenas, and do quite well. We would be more than happy to assist you at World of Warcraft, but you need to ask for that help. I apologize in advance for my sometimes pointed words, but I feel you're being a bit indocile.

Sincerely,
roflstomp

P.S. I do not have any sort of difficulties navigating a tower with ten players. While ten players in a tower may seem like a great deal to you, I am able to hold the tower, and therefore, I am serving a useful purpose.

[Littleburst]

For some reason discussion with sam always seem to end in pointless nerdraging. I'd suggest to draw your conclusions from that and save yourself some energy + nerdrage on the forum.

[mikekim]

So in short, you stated you were doing the best job in the world, challenged the word to beat you and presented one nice screenshot (stating that was your best) with 59 honor gained. (you also stated that honor gained is YOUR metric of choice)

Mokoi came back with half a dozen screenshots showing him gaining 1700-2500 honor per match.

and now you conclude by saying Well, whatever, and go by a different metric altogether (kills on a different team)


All good, nothing has changed.
Move along people.

If you are going to compare screenshots of your AV prowess, at least make sure they are current, because since the 4.0 patch, there is no way you are going to get 1-2k honor per game, unless you are seriously cheating. Sam's shot was from the Av weekend and therefore bound by the new points system.

Although 59 points per game is pretty poor though :P

[Mokoi]

Agent Sam,

good work defending yourself here, and kudos on stretching the truth so far and making un-verifiable claims, we are very proud at the way you have skillfully dodged and parried all attacks and maintained your cover as an undercover agent. Here is a few examples for the rest of us on how skilled you really are.


Obvisouly some of those are not AV.
Correct! and as we all know, real PvP happens only in AV, every other BG is a lame waste of time, Great work! (also, great mis-direction misspelling 'obviously' there, Horde never know how to spell!)


Ya well no doubt you are doing more then I am, old or not thats a lot of damage, and killz to deaths is looking good as well, I have more work to do for sure but time will tell.
Please watch it here, though, you almost gave away your true allegiances, with the "i have more work to do" and it sounded like a reasonable, sensible, Alliance thing to say. Of course you follow it up with a skillful "time will tell" the age-old deflection to an indistinguishable time-frame in which you will never really be held accountable, but serves to throw off your scent for the time being. Great job!


Well whatever. I just take consulation in the fact the DK's die to me 3-4 times.
Excellent! Forget about winning the BG, or taking objectives and being useful, just make it look as though you were contributing! that's the spirit! Great work, Agent Sam. (again, great misdirection on the spelling of "consolation" there, what a good Horde you pretend to be!)


See ya on the battlefield, dead at my feet.
PERFECT! Arrogant self-confidence with absolutely no basis in reality, exactly what we would expect if you really were Horde! Masterful! You are quite good at this deception thing, and we commend you. Keep up the great work!

-Alliance

[Mokoi]

If you are going to compare screenshots of your AV prowess, at least make sure they are current, because since the 4.0 patch, there is no way you are going to get 1-2k honor per game, unless you are seriously cheating. Sam's shot was from the Av weekend and therefore bound by the new points system.

Although 59 points per game is pretty poor though :P

Actually MikeKim, I don't take screenshots of ordinary wins, or when I am top of the BG. I am almost always top of any BG I am in.

These are old screenshots, because they were significant in some way, like the AV and EOTS and Isle's where we had 3 or 4 boxers in one group and smashed the horde, or where we won EoTS 2000 - 0 or something like that. I also do not have any screenshots of me in a lvl 71-79 BG like this because ANYONE multiboxing can steamroll in that bracket, its full of alliance in greens and heirlooms... of course you can destroy it LOL. Who here hasn't destroyed an AV 71-79, it's really not a feat of any importance, and that's why were fucking with him.

I added screenshots of WSG wins, EoTS, Isle, AB, etc because I Guarantee you will never get any of those BGs with Sam in them at the top of the charts. I dare him to try anything but AV, which is the easiest and most infantile way to multibox.

I don't have recent screenshots from "this week" because I haven't been playing since the game is dead and nobody plays AV right now. Some of us have been 80 since the first week of Wrath and have been doing excellent in BGs ever since. In what way does proficiency in a BG deteriorate over time so that only screenshots from "this week" are relevant?

The idea that these screenshots should be all about "honor gained" is ridiculous. In AV, the people who get the most honor are the people who do the most killing, and that's fine, but the people who WIN the game are the people who capture objectives and kill leaders, everyone else is leeching and postponing the game. There's a reason premade BGs avoid all PvP, it is inefficient. I prefer to kill horde, but I also capture a LOT of towers, defend a bunch and manage to top the Honor that way.

[Owltoid]

The part I find interesting is those who are bashing Sam come off as being just as pathetic as the behaviour they're denouncing.

[Sam DeathWalker]

but the people who WIN the game are the people who capture objectives and kill leaders, everyone else is leeching and postponing the game


I am sure there are many who would argue that.

I don't see where it takes the least bit of skill to run 8 guys up to the top of a tower and sit there the whole game frankly.

People who take mines, graveyards and kill oppenents going to tower are leeching lol ....

I defend Galv all the time, is that also leeching?

Why are grave yards listed at the end if they are not objectives. And how do you justify clicking on a flag with one guy while all your others stand around doing nothing?

No I am not saying use another metric at all, honor at the end is what Blizzard chose as the criteria, and they seem to give a heavy weight to honor kills when they calculate honor (duh). I was just saying that because his honor was not current that he was doing well because his killz/death ratio is good and his total damage is also good.

I'm not say I am the best (yet), but responding to arguments that I am not pulling my weight in BG's, but obviously I did move way up going from one level 80's to nine, that moves me up MILLIONS of players (out of 12 million). I really don't know where I stand but I think its safe to say anyone who is not at least 3 boxing or more is going to lose out to my nine guys, is that a fair statement? And assuming that only 3 or more boxers can kill my guys (or kill a mob that I can't kill) then where does that put me? In the top 10,000 out of 12 million or so?

And I am only at 25percent of my full power so I have a LOT left to do.

Well I try and not do other BG's cept the 40 man ones cause I want to run 9 (cause I get 9X the exp as one character gets for the same time invested) and there is no way to win a 15 man BG with me boxing 9 ....

Don't forget I was the first person ever to use focus fire with my 2 or 4 wizards way back when. You use a stratagy that I developed (hiting a single key to control multiple character to cast a spell at the exact same instant all hitting the target at the same time) every time you play WoW. I even coined the phrase instakill.

http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthread.php?12343-Robe-Visual-Comparison


Ok I admit that most 4 plus boxers are currently doing better then I am in BG's based upon valid SS.

On the other hand it does appear that I can kill 4 LoB DK's when they attack me.

We will see what the future brings.

[Svpernova09]

I thought we all learned a long time ago not to feed the troll.