Tip to get some players flagged pvp while stealthed

[zenga]

Sometimes I like to kill some alliance on my pve server, but since they are not pvp flagged, I can't do shit. But ...one can go in stealth and use the "Blue Crashin' Thrashin' Racer Controller" which is a combat pet. It will turn red for the opposing faction, and they can obviously attack it, and thus get flagged for pvp. You can basically summon a new one straight away.

So what I did was basically park my team outside Stormwind, log them out, login a rogue that went inside sw in stealth. Summons the pet over and over and walks slowly back outside sw, keep summoning the pet. About 10 dumb alliance players were following it outside, all flagged pvp. Once they were close enough, I logged in my team and killed them off in seconds. Big fun. The more since I had my lvl 1 alliance AH team logged in so i could read trade all the time.

Maybe a known trick, but I felt like sharing it anyway during those (for some) boring times.

[Zub]

doesn't summoning your pet break stealth on the rogue?

[zenga]

Maybe it's bugged (which i doubt), but it didn't break stealth a single time for me.

[Zub]

what i find most surprising is that no one would try a flare or some aoe near the robot >.<
surely it must say <Zenga's companion> or something.

then again, it's alliance we're talking about here :-)

[zenga]

That's correct, the name of the caster is displayed on the pet. And yeah they tried to aoe, but you can see that one coming from a mile away. Obviously not a trick that you can repeat for ever and ever. But a one time use might give you some fun :)

[RobinGBrown]

That sounds as if it might be an exploit, maybe you should think twice about it.

[Zub]

That sounds as if it might be an exploit, maybe you should think twice about it.
i thought that as well, but if I understand this well, to get flagged they need to attack the (flagged) pet, so in my book it's ok, but i see what you mean

It would be an exploit if they were to get flagged without wanting to, or without doing anything that leads to flagging.
or it would be an exploit if the robot could attack them unflagged (like the rogues used to be able to sap unflagged players)

[blast3r]

It is much easier to PVP on a PVP server. :)

[RobinGBrown]

It is much easier to PVP on a PVP server. :)

Got to agree on that, if you want to PVP get onto a PVP server. Tricking inexperienced players into PVP is what the exploit is and it's pretty cheap.

There's a similar thing in EVE - you leave a container with some goods in it outside a newb station (where new players start) and then when they loot it thinking it's goodies you can obliterate them. In EVE this is one of the few PVP interactions that can get you banned (ont that it'd ever actually happen but it is mentioned in the 'player conduct' rules somewhere)

Anyway probably funny once or twice but these things tend to get out of hand and result in bans - remember all the 'anal [item_name_here]' stuff in chat - that had to be stepped on by GMs eventually.

[zenga]

I really don't see this as an exploit. The pet turns red, and it has clearly the name of the enemy player on it. It doesn't show up as a 'mob', but as an enemy player. A player should know that attacking something red that is not an npc nor a mob will get them flagged. If they don't know that, then they'll probably know after the first corpse run, just like I learned not to stand out in the field afk when I came out a bg.

So yes, you trick the player into getting flagged to be able to attack them later. But you kite him all the way out of town. It's not different then a player would try to kite few others out of SW where backup is waiting, just to get them flagged.

The argument 'if you want to pvp, join a pvp realm' is crap, since blizzard made the pvp plag feature for a reason: i.e. to decide yourself when you want to be vulnerable for pvp or not. Once you decide to be flagged, you can't expect that it will be a fair battle, you can be ganked by 40 or you can end up in a 1v1.

[Zub]

plus, they killed your PET! they deserved to die

[Littleburst]

You're exploiting their cluelessness, if you're exploiting something. And as far as i know that's not bannable.

[Zappy]

what i find most surprising is that no one would try a flare or some aoe near the robot >.<
surely it must say <Zenga's companion> or something.

They fixed that a long time ago. If you aren't pvp flagged, no action will flag you unless you have the enemy targeted. The flare will pull the rogue out of stealth, nor will aoe pull him out. Back in vanilla, I would take my rogue to the starting zones, and stealth close to a mage and just wait for him to aoe something. Fun times.

Another "trick" is to simply /duel the enemy. As soon as he starts attacking, do a /forfeit and you'll get him flagged.

In all seriousness though, if you enjoy this activity, you have no business on a pve server.

[zenga]

In all seriousness though, if you enjoy this activity, you have no business on a pve server.

Might be true, but ...

- I like the aspect that I can control when I want to pvp and when not. I afk about 60-70% of my online time, doing other things. I could log out of course, but that seems less practical to me. The opponents have the same ability. That being said, there is quite often some world pvp going on on my pve realm. And it's just enough for me to enjoy it.
- When I signed up for wow last year and made my first set of toons, my current realm was presented as the one for new players. I did'nt really question the realm choice, I just kept playing. And really happy here.
- See this topic in it's context: it was a one time little fun I had, that I just shared, I really question if I'll do it ever again.

[Kicksome]

I can't believe you guys care if he kills some stupid people on his server. It's a 15 second walk from the GY to the SW gates if that.

This can be done on a PVP server as well, so it's not just a PVE trick. So IMO this has nothing to do with if he's on a PVP server or a PVE server. Every alliance is not flagged in SW by default, unless you were PvP flagged recently.

I think this would be pretty cool for a guild who is raiding SW to try. 40 of the remote control things would be pretty funny.

[Souca]

Something similar to this used to work for the Crashin' Thrashin' Robots that fight each other from a couple years back. Only difference was that the robot could nuke a level 30 after they attacked it, since it seemed to scale with the owners level. They hotfixed it a day later.

As for the ethics of this, only Blizzard can know for sure.

- Souca -

[Bigfish]

Might be true, but ...

- I like the aspect that I can control when I want to pvp and when not. I afk about 60-70% of my online time, doing other things. I could log out of course, but that seems less practical to me. The opponents have the same ability. That being said, there is quite often some world pvp going on on my pve realm. And it's just enough for me to enjoy it.
- When I signed up for wow last year and made my first set of toons, my current realm was presented as the one for new players. I did'nt really question the realm choice, I just kept playing. And really happy here.
- See this topic in it's context: it was a one time little fun I had, that I just shared, I really question if I'll do it ever again.

Well, if that's your idea of fun, maybe you should keep it to yourself. I mean, you spell out yourself you prefer PvE because you can control when you PvP or don't, but your actions themselves reek of hypocrasy because you are denying that implicit choice to the people you are goading in to flagging.

At the end of the day, yes, they flagged themselves by being stupid, and you killing them is just another reality, but coming here and posting how you trick people isn't going to get you a high five and a pat on the back. It gets you a frown and a dismissive shake of the head.

[zenga]

... but coming here and posting how you trick people isn't going to get you a high five and a pat on the back. It gets you a frown and a dismissive shake of the head.

I don't post here to be appreciated or to make friends. For me this board is just a communication tool where I read and share info with people i share a hobby with. You are obviously entitled to your own opinion.


Well, if that's your idea of fun....

Yes I found that fun, just like other things in the game:
- putting up a stack of lichbloom for xx on the AH, and then put up just 1 lichbloom up for the exact same price
- killing the stormwind auctioneers with my rogues, and then advertise with my mage for a portal
- buy frozen orbs for 15g, trade them in for eternal fire and sell those for 30g+
- etc

Basically those actions can be classified as 'tricking' people into something. On my pve server, sometimes 2-3 pallies run into the back of orgrimmar, try to kite some players there, bubble and run back, and then a group of 10 allies is standing ready to nuke us. Same approach: they try to trick us into getting flagged. It usually ends up with a good fight everyone is enjoying. Most world pvp is centered around tricking people. And if the trick i described above was applied to me, I'd think something along the lines of 'damn bastard, well done, i got what i deserved'.

I'm surprised that fellow boxers talk about the morals of this, while they show up in a BG and 1 shot other players, or gank players (lowbies?) that are questing. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone on a pve realm is a carebear that wants to avoid pvp by all means.

[Daeri]

Funny the first time you witness such a joke but gets old pretty fast.

[Bigfish]

I don't post here to be appreciated or to make friends. For me this board is just a communication tool where I read and share info with people i share a hobby with. You are obviously entitled to your own opinion.



Yes I found that fun, just like other things in the game:
- putting up a stack of lichbloom for xx on the AH, and then put up just 1 lichbloom up for the exact same price
- killing the stormwind auctioneers with my rogues, and then advertise with my mage for a portal
- buy frozen orbs for 15g, trade them in for eternal fire and sell those for 30g+
- etc

Basically those actions can be classified as 'tricking' people into something. On my pve server, sometimes 2-3 pallies run into the back of orgrimmar, try to kite some players there, bubble and run back, and then a group of 10 allies is standing ready to nuke us. Same approach: they try to trick us into getting flagged. It usually ends up with a good fight everyone is enjoying. Most world pvp is centered around tricking people. And if the trick i described above was applied to me, I'd think something along the lines of 'damn bastard, well done, i got what i deserved'.

I'm surprised that fellow boxers talk about the morals of this, while they show up in a BG and 1 shot other players, or gank players (lowbies?) that are questing. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone on a pve realm is a carebear that wants to avoid pvp by all means.


I'm not probing the morality of trickery, I'm saying its a dick move any way you cut it. But hey, you want to be a dick? Fine, go for it. You want to pretend to be a PvP badass by tricking people in to flagging on a PvE realm? Kudos to you. Just don't be surprised when people call you on it.

[lans83]

I'd say kudos to you for finding this out. Hell, I might try it myself. Even I took my solo Pally to Booty Bay and kept killing the Horde's Flight master on Pirate day tryin to get people to flag and brawl. Before then I brought my Rogue down there, barely 70 at the time and /sapped those that were flagged to tempt them. I got a few, but seeing the Booty Bay guards coming to my aid. Sat on top by the Captain and watched each person that attacked me get launched off the roof. Ah, what fun. And yes, I'm on a PvE server myself.

[zenga]

I'm not probing the morality of trickery, I'm saying its a dick move any way you cut it. But hey, you want to be a dick? Fine, go for it. You want to pretend to be a PvP badass by tricking people in to flagging on a PvE realm? Kudos to you. Just don't be surprised when people call you on it.

If that is your definition of being a dick, fine by me. It's not by my standards. And it seems pointless from my point of view to argue about standards.

However I don't see, in all objectivity, how I pretend here to be a pvp badass? I clearly say it's a trick, counting on the opposite faction not paying attention to what they do. I also state that I kill them off once they are outside, which can be seen as 'ganking'. But hey, feel free as a boxer yourself and 1 shotting people to call someone out for sharing a trick like I described. I can only shake my head, smile and move on.

[MiRai]

Sorry guys, this discussion is over. You're apparently not allowed to "trick" your mortal enemy into flagging for PvP because it is immoral and you may end up hurting someone's feelings. Zenga... consider yourself a horrible person.

[Zub]

Back in the days, when for whatever reason i visited a lower level area and noticed some alliance was around, I used to try and trick them by flagging myself, sitting and typing /afk.

They would circle around a bit, and decide that I was an easy prey (since afk) and attack me (flagging themselves)
unfortunately they would quickly realize that having the /afk tag didn't mean the player had to be away from its keyboard.

so basically they attacked something red, and died from their own stupidity. I don't see the difference here.

[zenga]

Zub consider yourself a horrible person!

Shall we start a club?

[Zub]

Shall we start a club?
Can we get jackets?


I remember, not so long ago on these forums, someone mentioning multiboxing one flagged toon sitting with 4 stealthed rogues/druids next to him, waiting to see a higher level take the bait.

[Multibocks]

This thread is hilarious. Exploiting stupidity is so mean! You are a bad person!

[JoeWunsch]

Got to agree on that, if you want to PVP get onto a PVP server. Tricking inexperienced players into PVP is what the exploit is and it's pretty cheap.

There's a similar thing in EVE - you leave a container with some goods in it outside a newb station (where new players start) and then when they loot it thinking it's goodies you can obliterate them. In EVE this is one of the few PVP interactions that can get you banned (ont that it'd ever actually happen but it is mentioned in the 'player conduct' rules somewhere)

Anyway probably funny once or twice but these things tend to get out of hand and result in bans - remember all the 'anal [item_name_here]' stuff in chat - that had to be stepped on by GMs eventually.

It isn't an exploit....

To the alliance, the pet he attacked is clearly a ?? combat pet from someone on the opposite alliance.

Just because they were dumb enough to attack a lvl ?? combat pet doesn't make his creative thinking an exploit.

This is allowed, I used to do it Pre-BC with exploding sheep.

Using the game mechanics to work to your advantage doesn't automatically mean you are exploiting. Sure, they most likely didn't intend for someone to do this, but do you think when they were designing grounding totem they inteded for so many of us to play 5 shaman at once to basically be immune to spells while they are up?

[JoeWunsch]

Well, if that's your idea of fun, maybe you should keep it to yourself. I mean, you spell out yourself you prefer PvE because you can control when you PvP or don't, but your actions themselves reek of hypocrasy because you are denying that implicit choice to the people you are goading in to flagging.

At the end of the day, yes, they flagged themselves by being stupid, and you killing them is just another reality, but coming here and posting how you trick people isn't going to get you a high five and a pat on the back. It gets you a frown and a dismissive shake of the head.

I am sure people think the same of you when 5 chain lightnings hit them at once because you are playing 5 guys at once. to them, you are also a dick.

I think you are taking wow way to serious if tricking "the enemy" in a video game to lose, is being a "dick".

[RobinGBrown]

It's about sportsmanship not 'play2win'.

but this discussion has been done to death before, some multiboxers play2win and others are sportsmen.

This thread needs to be locked before it turns into a flamefest.

[zenga]

This thread needs to be locked before it turns into a flamefest.

What makes you think it will turn into a flamefest? I'd say this is a discussion board. We have a different opinion about an aspect of the game. So far I've seen nothing personal, only arguments back and forth. People can agree to disagree you know.

[Zub]

It's about sportsmanship not 'play2win'.

but this discussion has been done to death before, some multiboxers play2win and others are sportsmen.

i actually play for fun.
seeing a level 34 attack an *afk* level 60 thinking it will be a fun gank, only to see the joke turned on them .. i thought it was fun ;-)

[Svpernova09]

One of the most important things for a multiboxer is to not be a dick to others. It's hard enough already for boxers with all the attention we draw. Thread locked before a full on flames erupts.