@5 Boomkin Teams in US-Bloodlust

[Svpernova09]

You guys are coming out of the woodwork ~1700MMR. Having been playing 5s as a solo toon for the past month I can definitely see why so many people are anti boxing. It's pretty lame to get global'd before you even see the druids. The funny thing is we ran across 2 different 5 boomkins that were just 5 random boomers. But we ran across 4 different 5 boomkin teams last night. We also ran across a 5 resto shaman team.

[Eloxy]

I hate boomkinteams!!!

(would like to box them myself thoug ;))

[Kicksome]

Couldn't 5 different boomkins do the same thing? I fought 5 boomkins who were all non-boxed, it even sucked more.

I managed to get through their first starfall, but then they kited the hell out of me, rezed etc...

[Svpernova09]

Couldn't 5 different boomkins do the same thing? I fought 5 boomkins who were all non-boxed, it even sucked more.

I managed to get through their first starfall, but then they kited the hell out of me, rezed etc...

I think the 5 people boomers are definitely worse than the boxed boomers. For us they're pretty much a free kill. My team is uncannily good at finding stealth'ed people. Early one we'd eat 3 starfalls before we'd kill them, but lately we've gotten much better and are able to kill them after the first starfall. The one time we lost to a 5 boomer team last night (a boxed team) was when I hymn'd too early, the mage iceblocked too early, and I turned around and was global'd in the face.

[Kicksome]

I remember the first time I fought 5 boomkins, I instantly got killed. I wasn't happy. It was Typhoon, Starfall, dead before I landed on all 5 guys.

And they all have names like "Nerf Starfall" or something similar.

Although I do have a 5 boomkin team that does that, but for some reason I don't win that many games.

Anyway, Starfall and Bladestorm need to be nurfed - and they will be. They are just no skills buttons, almost like when DK's had the cower effect on death and decay. It was stupid, took no skill, and was op.

[Svpernova09]

I remember the first time I fought 5 boomkins, I instantly got killed. I wasn't happy. It was Typhoon, Starfall, dead before I landed on all 5 guys.

yep, how we counter it is to spread out and hot everyone up / bubble everyone. Soon as the first person starts taking damage we Tranqulity, Hymn, Iceblock, Cloak, grounding totem and hope for the best. While we're spread out it forces them to unload on 1 target, not the entire group. Worst case scenario they global our shaman or mage and we finish them quickly after that. We also 9/10 get them out of stealth before they can open on us, or we'll get a sap on one and the rest have to run away or regroup.


Anyway, Starfall and Bladestorm need to be nurfed - and they will be. They are just no skills buttons, almost like when DK's had the cower effect on death and decay. It was stupid, took no skill, and was op.

I agree with Bladstorm needing a nerf. Charge Stun -> MS -> Hamstring -> Bladstorm = Me Bubble -> Pain Sup -> PoM -> Dead. It's bullshit that I can get raped with heals on myself and our 2nd healer spamming heals on me with all my CDs running. I'm somewhat ok with starfall being so powerful. Its CD almost lines up with my CDs so maybe as a priest I find it easy to counter. But if our rogue can't dismantle the bladestorming lolrrior, we're fucked.

[valkry]

Having 4 badly geared boomkins in my team atm, yes, starfall is very powerful. That's pretty much all that needs to be said lol.

[Lyonheart]

nm..........

[Zappy]

I remember the first time I fought 5 boomkins, I instantly got killed. I wasn't happy. It was Typhoon, Starfall, dead before I landed on all 5 guys.

And they all have names like "Nerf Starfall" or something similar.

Although I do have a 5 boomkin team that does that, but for some reason I don't win that many games.

Anyway, Starfall and Bladestorm need to be nurfed - and they will be. They are just no skills buttons, almost like when DK's had the cower effect on death and decay. It was stupid, took no skill, and was op.

Nerf Starfall? What? Are you making fun of my druids. :D

On mine, usually when I pop out to starfall, i'll be hit with shadowfury, arcane torrent, bladestorm, physic scream, howling terror, etc before anybody on the other team gets close to dieing. I faced Xiopathe a few times on my alliance shammys and got destroyed before he was out of stealth. I'm assuming as alliance that shadowmeld doesn't break starfall, if that's the case, a faction change may be in order for my druids. You should have heard my healer in vent in yelling. He was so pissed off cause we all died and never saw what was hitting us. LOL

Thank goodness for my Skippys though. I got my revenge on just about everybody that killed me druids and shammys last night. :D

I didn't even realize this was your team until I had a pesky priest pillar humping at the end:

http://www.garysdecks.com/WoW/ZOMG.jpg

[Svpernova09]

Nerf Starfall? What? Are you making fun of my druids. :D

On mine, usually when I pop out to starfall, i'll be hit with shadowfury, arcane torrent, bladestorm, physic scream, howling terror, etc before anybody on the other team gets close to dieing. I faced Xiopathe a few times on my alliance shammys and got destroyed before he was out of stealth. I'm assuming as alliance that shadowmeld doesn't break starfall, if that's the case, a faction change may be in order for my druids. You should have heard my healer in vent in yelling. He was so pissed off cause we all died and never saw what was hitting us. LOL

Thank goodness for my Skippys though. I got my revenge on just about everybody that killed me druids and shammys last night. :D

I didn't even realize this was your team until I had a pesky priest pillar humping at the end:

http://www.garysdecks.com/WoW/ZOMG.jpg

ROFL! I wondered if that was you but I didn't catch your names fast enough to armory. Yeah, I think DK/4 rets is something a druid / disc just can't heal through. And yeah, I'll make you work for a kill on me :_D We've seen Xiopathe a few times, he/she's the best 5x boomkin we've faced. I think what happens is stealth -> starfall -> Shadowmeld. The one time they killed us last night we pretty much all died instantly cause he got the jump on us.

[Zappy]

I've actually been wondering if 5x boomkin might be viable in cataclysm. Imagine popping starfall, then solarbeaming a huge area around their entire team. :D

[Mosg2]

@Zappy:

I think it's going to be insane. Their ranged root is now AE for 8 yards from the target. You're going to be able to AE Root/Solar Beam/3x Nuke in a rotation. Solar Beam incapacitates for 3 second too. Plus each one has a ranged knock down. Plus Typhoon.

If they could heal in Boomkin I think they'd be better than Shamans.

[outdrsyguy1]

i doubt they'll be viable, aoe got nerfed beyond recognition. I mean BEYOND recognition. it's just about laughable the amount of damage aoe does per person now.

[Mosg2]

Who said anything about AE?

Their ROOT is now AE. Add in the knockdown spell plus the 3 second incapacitate and it really does look like Boomkin will be able to completely disable while killing. Sure in 5's it may not work out but it sure as heck will in BG's.

[Boylston]

Starsurge no longer knocks down. I think it's compensation for the AE root and the fact it can proc and be instant-cast now.

[Fomeny]

ROFL! I wondered if that was you but I didn't catch your names fast enough to armory. Yeah, I think DK/4 rets is something a druid / disc just can't heal through. And yeah, I'll make you work for a kill on me :_D We've seen Xiopathe a few times, he/she's the best 5x boomkin we've faced. I think what happens is stealth -> starfall -> Shadowmeld. The one time they killed us last night we pretty much all died instantly cause he got the jump on us.

Just for info: If you macro

/cast Starfall
/cast Shadowmeld

and use it while being cat-stealthed, the opponent won't see you. I tested this a while ago. I dueled some people and they knew exactly where I'm standing - pushed this macro and no one saw me as it seems.

My suggestion is for the opener: 4x Boomkin in one spot in reach of the enemies and 1x Boomkin somewhere else. The solo-Boomkin in stamina/resilience pumped equip and going into Moonkin-Form before starfalling (intentionally, that the opponents can see you). This should bring a sweet surprise when the starfall still seemingly goes through the cc thrown at the solo-boomkin and does insane damage.