im starting to 40 box

[roflstomp]

i need a few things
will isboxer run 40 accounts and if so will it run them in minamize mode?
how many pcs will i need?
and proper account linking

[nargatt]

40?! o.O

[Gramzngunz]

Are you going to level them to 60 and do the old raid content?

[moosejaw]

You should contact Lax directly to discuss proper licensing if you need to use more than 5 PC's. I guess you could chat with SamD and see what his hardware setup is, now that he is using IS/IsBoxer.

Good luck!

[Sam DeathWalker]

Lax will hook you up.

a-b-c-d-e is account linking.

number of computers depends on how you want to set things up.

[Zub]

what are your goals with 40 ?

[Kicksome]

what are your goals with 40 ?

I'm interested to know the answer to this as well.

[Lyonheart]

only 40 man raids for post 60 are the two BGs ..he wants to do 40 man rated BGs by himself? ( in Cata )

[zenga]

40man bgs in cata will be scaled down to 25 man raids as far as i know

[tripleboxed]

i need a few things
will isboxer run 40 accounts and if so will it run them in minamize mode?
how many pcs will i need?
and proper account linking
wow 40 boxing insane!

[roflstomp]

thanks sam and i want to run the least amount of computers i can run 20 on this one i dont even have to see the screen for all of them i just need them to run and my goal is 60 for a while im going to twink on both factions 60 druids and 60 shams maybe a few healers and tanks but my goal is when i get the pcs to start this ill be 60 on all ally toons in 8 days and same with horde toons another 8 days

[Shodokan]

40man bgs in cata will be scaled down to 25 man raids as far as i know

Yep they are.

[Zub]

thanks sam and i want to run the least amount of computers i can run 20 on this one i dont even have to see the screen for all of them i just need them to run and my goal is 60 for a while im going to twink on both factions 60 druids and 60 shams maybe a few healers and tanks but my goal is when i get the pcs to start this ill be 60 on all ally toons in 8 days and same with horde toons another 8 days
>.< that's a hell of a goal.

but i'm still not sure i understand what you'll do with your 120 toons at level 60.

[zenga]

>.< that's a hell of a goal.

but i'm still not sure i understand what you'll do with your 120 toons at level 60.

chain heal in dalaran? :D

[MiRai]

chain heal in dalaran? :D
Hahahaha

[roflstomp]

lol naw av runs lol ill lvl them up to 80 just my goal is 60 to start av premades lol 40 druids and star fall

[zenga]

lol naw av runs lol ill lvl them up to 80 just my goal is 60 to start av premades lol 40 druids and star fall

You do realize that AV will be scaled down in this and 2,5 month (or whenever cata will hit) to 25 man instead of 40 man right? And that the maximum amount of people you can queue up with in your party / raid atm = 5 (though there are certain addons that let you queue up with more at the same time, which increases your chances of being in the same AV with multiple parties)

Also your comp might run 20 accounts at the moment, but ...

a) does it still run fine in AV, (or WG, dalaran, .. any crowded place)? (making 20 trial accounts and running around in durator is not good testing)
b) if A is positive, are you sure it will still run fine in cataclysm?

[Zub]

the good thing about boxing that many in BGs, is that half the players in the BG usually wear the exact same gear. Fast loads FTW ! :-)


but serioursly, props to you if you manage to get your own AV raid (be it 40 or 25) but i would suggest you rethink it all because there are very limited uses for that many toons.

[roflstomp]

well it was just a test to do it and thanks for the info about the bgs but now is the 25 man av (such bullshit) going to have the bosses easyer now that there isnt 40 ppl

[roflstomp]

3 reasons world pvp av winterlag

[Mokoi]

I'm curious about your goals.. I mean 10 is certainly enough to roll anything in world PvP.. and since no BGs or dungeons will be taking 40 people.. im not sure what you intend to do with 40 toons lol

40 starfalls sounds good, but.. you will never find more than 10 people who it will hit at once, even in Wintergrasp (which will be empty in a couple months)

I have 10 druids, and with all starfalls up, everyone dies in a GCD, so 30+ more is a bit of a waste IMO lol

[mikekim]

at least if you control all 40 toons in av, you can be assured that they will all do the blitz together.
(if they don't you have some serious schizophrenic issues to deal with :) )

[roflstomp]

40 druids goal is to run to bal then stealth to drek then pop every thing and gg horde is like then WTF

[valkry]

I'm curious about your goals.. I mean 10 is certainly enough to roll anything in world PvP.. and since no BGs or dungeons will be taking 40 people.. im not sure what you intend to do with 40 toons lol

40 starfalls sounds good, but.. you will never find more than 10 people who it will hit at once, even in Wintergrasp (which will be empty in a couple months)

I have 10 druids, and with all starfalls up, everyone dies in a GCD, so 30+ more is a bit of a waste IMO lol
The summon stone to the new starting raid instance...

[zenga]

The summon stone to the new starting raid instance...

hell yeah ... that 'd be bad ass

he could also queue up with 20 of his alliance toons and 20 of his horde toons at the same time, for the same AV. Imagine the reactions of the 5 people getting pugged in on each side ...

[Sam DeathWalker]

Seems there will be 40 man raids though:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=31924





at least if you control all 40 toons in av, you can be assured that they will all do the blitz together.


Ya really but you cant hold a tower .... but if you can kill the boss with his two tower guards up then ... ya no afkers and everyone folloing the same plan but lack of tower control and gy control well ...

[zenga]

I think the 40 man raids are for vanilla content + world pvp raids. Maybe i've missed something but the only new pve raids will be 10 and 25 man sharing the same lockout, and AV/Isle of Conquest will be scaled down to 25 man battlegrounds (up from 40).

[Kicksome]

You need to do 25 horde and 25 alliance toons, then just level in AV, playing vs. yourself.

[roflstomp]

ya after much thiinking im only doing 25 boxing due to av :( but ill be starting next month in the lvling

[Lax]

ISBoxer will have no problem controlling that many toons, although you will probably not really use FTL. You should still be able to use all of the features, but if you're thinking about controlling 20 on the same PC you're definitely going to have performance issues. To run 20 on the same PC you'd probably want them all low resolution (turn instant swap off) and it might help to have a dual i7 or dual opteron (8-12 cores each!). I haven't tried launching that many in a while so I'm not really sure how well it would perform.

Whoever asked if the bosses are going to be easier in AV if it's 25-man, they don't really need to be easier... 1 healer 1 tank and 3 dps can easily take down the boss at 80 with 2 towers still up, I know this because I did it with my paladins a while back: (screenshot) http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=292

[Iceorbz]

You can drop the boss with 16 people and all the towers up, I know because we were blizting av and doing just this =).

[Lyonheart]

You can drop the boss with 16 people and all the towers up, I know because we were blizting av and doing just this =).

You have to have a well geared tank and good healer as well as DPS that knows to move from the tower guards when they come in and AE. MOST AVs can not do this due to not being able to accomplish the above.

[roflstomp]

well im looking at 2 new comps and my old one so what im thinking is 10 10 5 for 25 boxing

[zenga]

You have to have a well geared tank and good healer as well as DPS that knows to move from the tower guards when they come in and AE. MOST AVs can not do this due to not being able to accomplish the above.

A week or 2 ago i was queuing (solo) for some randoms with 4 guildies, 3 of them have healing spec. Since there was a 'bane of the fallen king' protection warrior, we figured to spec pve and go for a blitz. The warrior had 63k hp and i was sitting at 57k hp, healers full T10. Well i can tell you that we barely managed to do it. There is way more incoming damage than the LK fight with all ads up. Obviously dps died due to not moving, which will happen in like 90% of rushes.

Best way to do it for me is that the off ank makes the pull, and MT taunts boss off of the OT. Your OT is ideally the best geared one, and whenever needed can taunt boss back & forth.We did it a couple more times during that week, and it was the same scenario every time (damn stupid pet classes): ninja pull and once boss/ads start to move it's crazy tanking to get them under control.

It would take a very awesome tank to do this alone. However with one tower down, i've solo tanked it. With 2 towers down I can make the kill with my tank / 3 ele / 1 healer alone.

[Oatboat]

Lol nice Lax.

Good luck in your goal whatever you decide. 25 druids with starfall and typhoon will be a sight that better get video'd so I can have a good laugh :)

[coglistings]

My locks and I will be happy to welcome you to any of the horde cities if I am online. gl

[roflstomp]

lol so ur horde on kj? whats ur names im also horde on kj and ally to lol i think im going to do horde and ally team just for shits

[Iceorbz]

Eh -- my tank isn't that geared, in fact, she's only like 5.4k gearscore. We did this with a group of druids, my shamans, and another set of 4 shamans. The boss isn't that damn hard, I don't know what you had for dedicated heals though, or what trinkets you run for mitigation.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Is this 40 man?

http://www.wowwiki.com/Battle_for_Gilneas

You guys that quote above is from the GUILD sections not the BG section dig through here and see if there is 40 man content;

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=2000&forumId=10572738


Also the blue quote says "40 man raids and areans", from the other thread. Does anyone have a link to hard evidence that there will be no 40 man pvp content in Cata? Where is the blue quote that AV is going to be 25? My cursory google didnt really turn up much one way or the other.

[roflstomp]

im just going by what they say lol but 25 or 40 im going to lvl 25 first my goal once i start is 10 days ill have 50 60s and 2 av weekends and ill be 80 on all 50 woot

[Sam DeathWalker]

have 50 60s and 2 av weekends and ill be 80 on all 50 woot


How many do you think you can run in an AV at the same time and win? You have to really be on your toes; pvp play is very very fast, and we have lost a few games with 30 seconds making the difference.

How many do you think you can run in an AV at the same time and not have others on your team /afk report kick you?


I cannot remotly belive you can get from 60 to 80 on 50 toons in 8 AV call to arms days ..... I think I won 2-3 games out of 40 or so over these last 4 days of playing like 8 hours per day. I was running 8 toons at a time.


BUT it does appear from looking at prepareds guys gear that he did level up on pvp.


I am kinda thinking myself to scale back to 26 if there really is no 40 man content or wintegrasp type place comeing in Cata. (I have six computers and 1 is for the main so thats 5 each on 5 computers is where 26 comes from). My ping lag in av is 140ms wiht just 2 clients, and at about 230ms I feel my play is compromised, I can just imagine what my ping lag will be with 7 clients ....

[roflstomp]

lol u won 3 games i won like 30 lol im dontbescared BTW lol lawls. i did 51-72 in av weekend and most the time i didnt even queue lol.

also ill be lvling ally and i have a secret strat to win with 25 toons so ill win even av or damn close. also sam sorry to say but ur rilly not that great in av i was getting whispers about u and a 5 boxer took you out to. dont get me wrong u do damage and so on but your playing mages totaly wrong and the only reasons for 30 second o shit win / losses are because horde doesnt understand that defense is needed and so is offense. all they wanta do is camp galv. YOU DONT NEED GALV TO WIN.


ok im done ranting about my useless stuff

[Whowantstoknow]

Rated will be max 25 non rated are max 40 .

[mikekim]

Sam, as a boxer you should be winning far more than you lose... Even if you decide to follow the headless chickens to do the blitz, and then find out that there is no tank... you have the firepower to down Vann. (just make sure that you don't pickup too much aggro from the bosses - let somebody else do more damage initially).

I won 3 or 4 games by tanking with 3x Voidwalkers (mage, priest & 3x locks), due to dithering team members ( i even soloed vann with 2 towers up,as we were running out of resources and needed a quick win)

[Sam DeathWalker]

I think its safe to say horde loses with me or without me ....

Yes legion of boom guys wiped me really fast, no doubt, but they had 4 or so levels on me at the time.

Well I kill tons of enemy no one realizes how much damage I do untill the games end as living bomb dosnt have a flashy graphic, if the bomb dosnt go off the guy just dies and if you dont know what his debuffs are it looks like im doing nothing.

I always end up in the middle or higher when I sort by honor at the end of the game so I assume that I am pulling my load.

But no doubt there is room for improvement. Leading with my shaman is a problem but I need a rezzer, I wish my Pal was still 79 but I try and stop exp but then they can't group together. Also I get into random groups so my tremor and grounding totems only effect the shaman and not the mages .... and no doubt when I go to 2 seperate graveyards and my group is split I just exit.

No matter my goal is to get my mages to 77 and then get some super exp at the IC tables, they made 76 so not much left to go.

[Zub]

sorry i keep reading it but still not sure what you're refering to, what's the "IC tables"?
icecrown tables?

[Sam DeathWalker]

there is a popular mage aoe location in IC where there are some tables, just google ice crown mage aoe. I'v been there and there are a lot of mobs and people say they repop in a few minutes. Lots of videos on that spot also. Mobs are level 80 so when I went there with level 73 mages I could not land spells on them.

[Zub]

there is a popular mage aoe location in IC where there are some tables, just google ice crown mage aoe. I'v been there and there are a lot of mobs and people say they repop in a few minutes. Lots of videos on that spot also. Mobs are level 80 so when I went there with level 73 mages I could not land spells on them.
ah got it.

[roflstomp]

sam this is y u need to talk in bg or even get on a vent with some one ur running with alot im an av whore i know how to win each match just need more fire power to do it

[Sam DeathWalker]

So whats the strat for horde, basically no one can agree to any plan on the start and those who enjoy offence go on offence and those who enjoy defence go on defence. Only sucess we have had is to get enough to galv and smash their initial attack and then go to Bal. But sometimes they just run right by galv and go stright to our boss.

What I do basically is go to whereever I am closest, if I pop at a defensive gy I go defensive if I pop at an offensive gy I go offensive, I feel I need to be in constant contact with the enemy to maximize my effectivness and having 8 guys just running from one end of the map to the other is very bad for the team. All the more reason to ahve a pal I can get places faster .....

Hey don't forget if you get 25 and try and get into av etc. as a raid you will go agaist a premade, not the ususal random cobble that if you join by group you get. I think we might be better off just trying to get all 5 groups in (also hard to do though) to go up against a random bunch. A premade is going to be coodenated and know what they are doing.

Is the amount of honor you get a fair way to determine if you are doing well or not? I mean the guy on the horde team that got the most honor did the best right? I suppose I can make a macro that will close all the chat windows or something, Ill work it out for next call to arms.

I really can't see where, during battle I will have any time to talk, its really a twitch game at that point. I have to target a guy blast him with 7 bombs tab to the next enemy (and ignor just like totems and wolves and stuffs), hope he is in range when it says out of range (lol my shaman seem to have a range counter of 30 yards while my mages can hit at 41 or so, I need a 40 yard range counter, another thing to work on). I have to kill at least 8 of the ehnemey before they hit me to at least break even for the team, so how many seconds do I have before they notice me and attack? It takes me at least 15 seconds to do 8 of them, if they are all in range and if there are not a bunch of usless targets around. If I am talking to you or someone else I am dead before I kill one. I can't move and type either, what I am supposed to let 8 guys sit there and do nothing while I am talking, thats crazy. I suppose I could set a point and move the main to it. But what if I get attacked, I need to be paying attention every second and not typeing words. I can talk on forums though and don't mind doing so.

I could set up a macro to say "yes" or "no" anda window where I can read what you tell me though, I can read but just can't type.

You know i should set up a /bg Seven Living Bombs on %T so people can see I am working hard but then the bg channel gets spammed.

[roflstomp]

its not that hard to talk when ur dead or waitng for a ally to come in or no ones around. and if u do get some one press enter send a half message and then finish it after u kill them. arcane blast not so good living bomb its ok u need more haste and sp for it to be good. then use fire blast itll oneshot and its an instant cast 6 sec cd but its an instant death to use it if mellee gets close ur dragon breath then blast wave thatll kill any thing

[roflstomp]

and as far as the best in there. hk kbs and honor gained mean that u are shit. u want towers capped deffened bal killed and so on dont d galv let the retards to that ally can skip it and still win

[Sam DeathWalker]

I can take gy's easy but I cant go up in towers to click on the things, I can pick off soem of the tower mobs though from the ground and get ally as they run into the tower. I am fairly sure I can defend a tower but rogues will sneek past me (I have a rogue though for that purpose to see them, but not over level 70 yet). I suppose I can go up to the click thing and stand next to it so if ally click it I just aracne explsions and war stomp and then rogue is gone and I can click it myself, and if its not a rogue Ill see them and LB them.

Living bomb is instant cast; hast will reduce the gcd? Humm well ya I can get the gcd to 1 second, think I best work on that gear wise, good tip.

I have high spell power. Ya I prefer not to use arcane explsion as I am spec for fire but if 10 guys are on me arcane is more effective.


I haven't set up macros for DB yet but I will for next call to arms. I use in pve every time but Ill have to make two keys cause a lot of time they are out of DB range and in LB range. I really wish I had my pal then I could sheild stun or hammer of justic stun the first two mellee coming in on me. Maybe I should spec into blast wave for pvp. In pve I want the mobs near me but in pvp best to keep enemy far.

Ya for sure I need to spec into blast wave for pvp, looks way better then Dragons breath for pvp. Humm never knew it decreases run speed also, I can maybe use for pve also then (one guy blast wave mobs to ruduce speed and then I LB all them then just run away while they all die .... )

Well lot of macro writing and re specing and buying new gear for the next call to arms I can see.

[Kicksome]

Rofl, any idea when you are gonna start this?

[Littleburst]

My vision of Battlegrounds is that your chance to win is based on morale mostly. If people expect to lose "because they always do," then they'll farm HK's. If you enter a BG and people are like: "let's win this." Then that's the most important thing you can do to win or lose a game. There are a lot of aspects in the Battlegrounds that require 0,5 brainactivity to do, but still increase the winchance by A LOT.

- defending towers
- capping GY's
- grabbing demo's and storm walls(not players....)
- running flag (possibly a bit more brainactivty needed depending on game.)

Depending on if people will or won't do these things, you'll win. No skill required.

That's the reason why i activitely participate in BGchat and spam AVtimers. To hopefully get people so far that they do their job. which is offense. Since i'll make sure our defense is ok.

I highly doubt it brings and advantage to bring more then 4-5 chars into AV. Even with 40 man. Gear is an issue however. I managed to defend atleast 2 towers in defense with my 4 shaman + healer. If you were to be more usefull you'd have to split the team up or faceroll Vann/Drek.

But ofcourse: Good luck and hopefully have fun! It definitely has fun possibilities.

[Sam DeathWalker]

With the nurfs to Living Bomb and Bast Wave I was thinking about moveing away from fire mage in cata but then I see that Scorch will be castable on the move, has no cool down, looks to be 40 yards and lol TAKES NO MANA .... Dosnt do a ton of damage but 10 or 15 mages or 20 mages can do some serious on the move dps with scorch for sure.

I am really thinking that a priest (holy nova for healing and priest has rez) / mage combo is way better then having shaman in the mix.

Lets see:

Pal 2 (tank and off tank)
Warlock 2 (for ritual of summoning)
Rogue (anti stealth or stealth targeting)
DK (pull spell)
Shaman 7 (anti fear totems, healing)
Mage 22
Priest 1

Hummm seems a restro shaman is considered a high quality healer, guess Ill go with one priest for buffs and keep some more shaman totally for healing.

[zenga]

my vision of battlegrounds is that your chance to win is based on morale mostly.

qft

[roflstomp]

im thinking either when cata comes out or just before

[roflstomp]

sorry for the long delay but i had to quit wow for a bit. (reason in picture)
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9027/20100929132647.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/i/20100929132647.jpg/)

but in a few days i will be comming back with the intent to 25 box but kinda \broke at the moment so im going to solo play for a bit but most likely it wont last long and ill reactive all my accounts lol

[Littleburst]

but in a few days i will be comming back with the intent to 25 box but kinda \broke at the moment so im going to solo play for a bit but most likely it wont last long and ill reactive all my accounts lol

Lol, kinda broke atm and then you're gonna start 25 boxing. :D

And nice truck.

[roflstomp]

hehe my old one died so the truck came before the boxing but i estimate 5 grand for all expacs and pcs now i just have to save up again lol

[Kicksome]

Sounds like you need a sponsor. Let me know when you get back online though.

[blast3r]

40 druid raid... *feint*

[paranoidd]

Rofl its kenshin get back on wow

[Eldi]

lol kenshin rilly wants rofl every one of his posts

[Kicksome]

lol kenshin rilly wants rofl every one of his posts
Everyone loves rofl.

[valkry]

A week or 2 ago i was queuing (solo) for some randoms with 4 guildies, 3 of them have healing spec. Since there was a 'bane of the fallen king' protection warrior, we figured to spec pve and go for a blitz. The warrior had 63k hp and i was sitting at 57k hp, healers full T10. Well i can tell you that we barely managed to do it. There is way more incoming damage than the LK fight with all ads up. Obviously dps died due to not moving, which will happen in like 90% of rushes.

Best way to do it for me is that the off ank makes the pull, and MT taunts boss off of the OT. Your OT is ideally the best geared one, and whenever needed can taunt boss back & forth.We did it a couple more times during that week, and it was the same scenario every time (damn stupid pet classes): ninja pull and once boss/ads start to move it's crazy tanking to get them under control.

It would take a very awesome tank to do this alone. However with one tower down, i've solo tanked it. With 2 towers down I can make the kill with my tank / 3 ele / 1 healer alone.
I've 9 manned the blitz in t9 and below gear with another 5 boxer (i was 4 boxing 4x ele shammies at the time). She was prot pally 4 ele shammies, me 4x ele shammies healing. Killed it in about a minute and a half or so.

[zenga]

Valkry, are you saying that a T9 geared tank solo tanked the boss with all adds up? And that 4 elemental shamans healed the tank and 4 others dps'd him? This in the 80 bracket? I'm talking about the alliance boss, dunno how the horde boss works.

Unless the boss his damage scales with the gear this sounds pretty impossible to me. The tank will get disarmed / stunned at some point, where adds will charge. He does a shitload of aoe as well. I'm not saying you are lying, it just sounds nearly impossible to me to do this with T9 tank gear, which gives you what 40k hp at best?

[Eldi]

i heard rofl is starting to play today after the patch anyone else here this?

[MiRai]

i heard rofl is starting to play today after the patch anyone else here this?
I heard he is going to fire up his teams about 1900 PST. Be there, or be square!

[Eldi]

1900pst? y so late? or is that when the patch is done?

[roflstomp]

heh what are these assumptions lol i would but blizz wont accept paypal atm so maybe not lol

[roflstomp]

and kicksome come in vent i need to talk to u

[roflstomp]

ok so blizzard hates paypal. i cant pay my fee with paypal with out a credit card wtf!!!

[zenga]

so how is the 40 boxing team coming along? any progress?

[cj252]

Thats some kind off boxing i wud like to see a movie from :)

[Tasty]

I've 9 manned the blitz in t9 and below gear with another 5 boxer (i was 4 boxing 4x ele shammies at the time). She was prot pally 4 ele shammies, me 4x ele shammies healing. Killed it in about a minute and a half or so.


Yeah well I once killed the entire offensive team by using Instavis and AE spam thus giving us enough time to win the game so there!