So im buying a new computer.....

[Void]

Well i decided to buy a new computer after winning 2000$ in atlantic city while on vacation. I work with a guy that owned his own computer shop at one time and asked him for advise. This is what he sent my email. Now im going to ask all of you for your opinions. What i want to be able to do with this rig is comfortably 5 box my normal dungeons 4 box 10/25m raids, Record videos without any lag issues and possibly and i mean POSSIBLY live stream when i 4 box arena's. this is what i got so far all info is appreciated.

1http://images10.newegg.com/ProductImageCompressAll/11-133-178-02.jpg
Thermaltake Element V Black Edition VL200K1W2Z Black Computer Case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811133178)
Item #:N82E16811133178
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$5.00 Instant
$159.99
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CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817139009)
Item #:N82E16817139009
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$30.00 Instant
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card (http://images10.newegg.com/uploadfilesfornewegg/rebate/SH/Corsair17-139-009Aug10Aug1710ls41.pdf)
$159.99
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Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822136284)
Item #:N82E16822136284
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Open Box: ASUS Maximus III Extreme ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813131640R)
Item #:N82E16813131640R
Return Policy: Open Box Refund Only Return Policy
-$71.00 Instant
$329.99
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Intel Core i7-860 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819115214)
Item #:N82E16819115214
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
$289.991http://images10.newegg.com/ProductImageCompressAll/20-231-356-02.jpg
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820231356)
Item #:N82E16820231356
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
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LITE-ON CD/DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16827106289)
Item #:N82E16827106289
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$19.991http://images10.newegg.com/ProductImageCompressAll/35-118-051-Z03.jpg
ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme 120mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler with PWM Fan Speed Controller (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16835118051)
Item #:N82E16835118051
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$89.99Grand Total:$1,313.92

[F9thRet]

Hey grats on your Win in Atlantic City.

Had to do a double take on your CD burner there. That's a bulk price @ $279.99 Had me wondering what in the world is that, that it would cost so much. Does it make it's own DVD's out of sand or something. :D

Stephen

[Coltimar]

I don't recommend running WoW and Windows on the same drive. You can increase your speeds a few ways. 2 small 7200 RPM drives that you setup in a RAID0 array (this is how I ran for a long time and is the cheaper route) or with a Solid State Drive. These are popular because they have no moving parts and are wicked fast :/ Even a second drive with just WoW on it will help some. I only make this recommendation because you said you may want to stream.

[MiRai]

First and foremost, I would never buy such a high end motherboard as an open box item, you have absolutely no idea how it was treated before it became an open box item. Here is Newegg's open box policy:


If you purchase an Open-Box product Newegg guarantees only that you will receive the
product itself; accessories MAY OR MAY NOT BE INCLUDED with Open-Box products. Newegg
will not send you a missing accessory, even if the missing accessory is required in
order to properly make use of all the product’s advertised functions.Second of all, if you have to ask other people for advice on building a computer [no offense, this is one of the things this forum is here for], you should not even be buying such a high end motherboard like that; you will not be taking advantage of any of the bells and whistles it offers which cost the extra money, regardless of whether you have that cash to throw around or not.

Unless...

...you had plans of becoming a computer enthusiast who wants to overclock their rig like a mad man. If that is the case, then I would suggest getting rid of that Zalman CPU cooler and getting something a little manlier like a TRUE Black, an Ultra 120 (http://www.thermalright.com/products/index.php?cat_id=11), or go all out with water cooling.

Back on topic...

As Coltimar suggested, I wouldn't run WoW on the same HDD as Windows either, let alone record FRAPS at the same time as doing it. I currently run Windows, WoW, and record FRAPS all on three separate HDDs. Either get an SSD [there are about 738 recent threads on them in this forum], buy a nice Western Digital Raptor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001306%2040000014&IsNodeId=1&Description=Raptor&name=Internal%20Hard%20Drives), or at least another drive so you can separate Windows from WoW.

Also, the memory your friend selected for you won't even work with that motherboard. That motherboard is one of those hybrid i3/i5/i7 boards which is using dual channel memory, not triple channel.

I would keep the triple channel memory [I would recommend Mushkin or Corsair myself, but to each their own] and switch to a real Core i7 1366 setup which almost everyone and their mother have upgraded to [except for you AMD folks :)]. Meaning, pick up a Core i7 930 and and then a real motherboard which will run a 1366 socket processor. I would recommend one of these (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001315%2040000280%204801&IsNodeId=1&Description=P6T&name=Mail-in%20Rebate).

You also do not have a video card listed there so I'll just go ahead and recommend an eVGA 460 GTX 1GB model (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=600007801&IsNodeId=1&Description=evga%20460&name=256-bit) because I'm an nVidia fan boy. If you were to purchase 2 of those 460's they outperform one single 480 and they are cheaper. This is of course in SLI which is not recommended for multiboxing, I was just throwing that out there in case you play other games which can utilize SLI.

FOR ALL OF DUAL-BOXING.COM:
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE UPGRADING TO AN i7 SYSTEM AND YOU LIVE NEAR A MICROCENTER (http://www.microcenter.com) THEN YOU CAN PURCHASE ONE THERE FOR ALMOST $100 LESS THAN NEWEGG SELLS THEM. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE WITH THEIR PROCESSORS FOR QUITE AWHILE NOW.

It wouldn't hurt to look through at least 10 pages of this forum to see what other i7 systems people are building. Any other questions... fire away.

[Void]

Thanks Fenril this was just a (rough) build so far. Friend still doesnt completely understand what im trying to do with this cpu so ill switch out that motherboard for
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131365&cm_re=P6T-_-13-131-365-_-Product)

I do plan on getting a seperate SSD for wow and i have a ATI radeon HD 4870 512 that i was just going to double up on and throw in new system. I do want to overclock this computer somewhat and my original plans were to have water cooling but from what i read it can be costly. IM not going to jump right into it ill tweak it and relist till i get somthing that will do what i want it to do. Thanks for your help thus far. I will revise the list tomorrow and repost.

[MiRai]

Thanks Fenril this was just a (rough) build so far. Friend still doesnt completely understand what im trying to do with this cpu so ill switch out that motherboard for
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131365&cm_re=P6T-_-13-131-365-_-Product)

I do plan on getting a seperate SSD for wow and i have a ATI radeon HD 4870 512 that i was just going to double up on and throw in new system. I do want to overclock this computer somewhat and my original plans were to have water cooling but from what i read it can be costly. IM not going to jump right into it ill tweak it and relist till i get somthing that will do what i want it to do. Thanks for your help thus far. I will revise the list tomorrow and repost.
Cool man. I was hoping my post wasn't coming off as a "know-it-all" since I definitely don't know it all and there plenty of other knowledgeable people that post in this forum who can [and probably will] offer their advice. :) When building a computer and choosing brands it's a lot of personal preference. I like Asus, someone might hate Asus and like DFI or eVGA better... who is right?

Anyway, that's definitely a good board from all of the reviews at Newegg and it was also my choice in my upcoming build [unless I decide to hold out for the next gen processors]. It's always fun to put your own computer together though, so have fun with it.

[alcattle]

everyone better slow down a sec and look at the parts!
Agree with Fenril on an open box anything, not worth the saving.
a 1366 MB does not work with a i7-870 cpu
12 gig RAM does not work in a 1156 MB
What are you using the computer for?
everyting? A blu-ray player is fine, a SSD is almost a must. RAM over 1 gig per toon is fine.


Not to put down your friend, but maybe he should check what he told you, or else I can see why he is out of business.

reread the prices and relized that they are not posted next to correct picture. The price is for the above item. DVD is $19

[Void]

Im starting to doubt his knowledge now. If it isnt too much to ask or if someone is completely bored with nothing to do i would like a computer build that will run 5 wow clients without any lag issues, that will also record and possibly stream videos of me quad boxing my shamans for around 1500$ I do have a ati radeon 4870 512 i could double up on or use 1. Im clueless on these things and what works with what. I do know building your own is alot cheaper than buying one already built plus will be a neat learning experience. so if anyone could link a build here with those specs i would be greatly appreciative.

[Owltoid]

The site buyxg.com build my custom computer over a year ago for $1,500 and I keep seeing peeps with computer specs, that I consider worse than mine, for $2k+.

If I could get an i7 920, 12GB 1600 RAM, SSD, decent video card with lots of VRAM, and all the extras (nice case with big fans, big power supply, etc) for $1,500 a year ago, then you better be sure you're getting bang for your buck at 2k.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well i was going to bash you for not going X58 but

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=360&Itemid=69&limit=1&limitstart=17

just go to the last page lol.

Even with a 5% faster 2.8Ghz Intel (http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=360&Itemid=69&limit=1&limitstart=17#) Core i7-860 installed, the P55 system delivered an average 10% better CPU performance and 7% better memory bandwidth than the 2.66GHz Intel Core i7-920 on the X58 platform. With the performance trends leaning towards P55 over X58, it was the 33% improvement to power efficiency that really sealed the win.

Not sure if you can get 24G on this board or not but seems P55 is not an unwise choice over X58, at least based on that one review which seems comprehensive.


If you want no lag at all you get 24G of ram on at least a X58 system, put the whole wow folder in ram. That will eliminate texture lag, you might still get ping lag. I talk about ping lag in detail on the first post at my web site.


Just go all thermaletake for the PS, Box and CPU fan, you can min/max other stuff but at least they all worktogether just go to thier web site and get whats you need.

Make sure the memory you use is on the motherboard manufacturers approved vendor list or whatever its called (chips that they have tested in their system).

[Sajuuk]

RAM does not have to be on the qualified vendors list, but it certainly does help,


Sam, please note that benchmarks are just that, BENCHMARKS. THEY ARE SYNTHETIC. RARELY ARE THEY A REFLECTION OF REAL DAY TO DAY PERFORMANCE. IN MOST CASES YOU WILL NOT SEE A DIFFERENCE.

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[Sam DeathWalker]

True enough but I think we can conclude that a P55 system is not a horrible choice when compared to a X58 system.

[alcattle]

True enough but I think we can conclude that a P55 system is not a horrible choice when compared to a X58 system.
That would vary upon the other system parts, Tom's Hardware has stated many times the the i5-750 has all the CPU power you need to run almost every game. That CPU runs on the 1156 socket MB. Unless you need 3-4 graphics cards or your software makes use of Hyper-Threading, The x55 MB's will do just fine.

[Sajuuk]

Unless you need 3-4 graphics cards or your software makes use of Hyper-Threading, The x55 MB's will do just fine.

Or maybe you'd rather use add-in cards that use pci-e. Remember, not only graphics cards use pcie!

[d0z3rr]

First and foremost, I would never buy such a high end motherboard as an open box item, you have absolutely no idea how it was treated before it became an open box item. Here is

Absolutely agree. Never buy open box pc components, too much of a risk (and why are they open box to begin with?).



Also, anyone know if the i7's benefit from even number of sticks of ram? Remember how in the q6600's if you had 3 sticks it would not run as fast unless it had 4? Something about the channels....so you either had 2 sticks, or 4 sticks. I see he is purchasing 3....

[MiRai]

Also, anyone know if the i7's benefit from even number of sticks of ram? Remember how in the q6600's if you had 3 sticks it would not run as fast unless it had 4? Something about the channels....so you either had 2 sticks, or 4 sticks. I see he is purchasing 3....
Socket 1156 still utilizes dual channel, Socket 1366 utilizes triple channel. Even though you can find motherboards that can sport both an 1156 or a 1366, they'll use dual channel because of the 1156 restrictions.

[Sajuuk]

. Even though you can find motherboards that can sport both an 1156 or a 1366,

what?

[MiRai]

what?
Ah haha, what I meant was you can find 1156 i7's which use dual channel instead of the real i7's which use triple channel. Sorry it has been a very long day.

[alcattle]

Socket 1156 still utilizes dual channel, Socket 1366 utilizes triple channel. Even though you can find motherboards that can sport both an 1156 or a 1366, they'll use dual channel because of the 1156 restrictions.
never heard of that but I know better than disagreeing with Fenril.

[alcattle]

Ah haha, what I meant was you can find 1156 i7's which use dual channel instead of the real i7's which use triple channel. Sorry it has been a very long day.
QFT




told you Fenril is NEVER wrong, just tired and confused

[Kawasa]

FOR ALL OF DUAL-BOXING.COM:
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE UPGRADING TO AN i7 SYSTEM AND YOU LIVE NEAR A MICROCENTER (http://www.microcenter.com) THEN YOU CAN PURCHASE ONE THERE FOR ALMOST $100 LESS THAN NEWEGG SELLS THEM. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE WITH THEIR PROCESSORS FOR QUITE AWHILE NOW.

SAY WHAT?!
SO I CAN GET AN i7 FOR A Newegg's i5 Cost?!

[Void]

Alright so ive done alot of research from my limited experience and talked to a few people. This is the new Build i came up with wondering what you guys think. If its good for my previously posted wantings let me know please. I already bought a small SSD for wow folder.

AZZA Solano 1000 Black/Black Japanese SECC Steel/Metal mesh in front ATX Full Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811517004
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy -$10.00 Instant

$20.00 Mail-in Rebate11-517-004 $129.99
$119.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822136533
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $89.99

ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131631
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

-$10.00 Instant
$149.99
$139.99


EVGA 012-P3-1472-AR GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ...
Item #: N82E16814130549
Return Policy: VGA Replacement Only Return Policy -$30.00 Instant

$25.00 Mail-in Rebate Card14-130-549 $379.99
$349.99


Antec CP-850 850W Continuous Power CPX SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC "compatible with ...
Item #: N82E16817371024
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy -$20.00 Instant
$139.99
$119.99


OCZ Reaper 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3RPR2000LV4GK
Item #: N82E16820227571
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy -$7.00 Instant
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card20-227-571 $231.98
$217.98
($108.99 each)
select item 8 quantity of item 8

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
Item #: N82E16819103727
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy

1 year: $19.99
2 year: $36.99
$164.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116758
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy $139.99

Subtotal: $1,342.91

[MiRai]

From what I've seen, only the 1GB GTX 460's are worth anything price : performance ratio. I would save $100 and get the 460 [1GB model] over the 470 unless I could see some updated benchmarks with nVidia's updated drivers. Also, why 4GB of RAM? I use up 4GB of RAM walking through Stormwind on 5 characters. I would not recommend anything less than 8GB of RAM in a dual channel setup [like yours] or 6GB of RAM in a triple channel setup. Other than that, this looks a lot better. :)

I'm curious, why AMD over Intel? Price?


Also, 1000 posts.

[Heenan]

SAY WHAT?!
SO I CAN GET AN i7 FOR A Newegg's i5 Cost?!

Yeah. I just had a friend pick up my i7 930 for $199 (+tax) when he went to L.A.

[Void]

yea their is 8 gig there price is doubled. yea price was a factor i just dont want to pay extra for a name per say. if intel is alot better than amd i would surely grab that up but seems its more of a personal preference and i like saving moneys

[thefunk]

Also, 1000 posts.


Hehe maybe now you can resig with "stopping 1000 people making shitty boxing decisions since 2009"

[Mosg2]

I don't know Void, if you're going to blow that much cash on a rig I'd figure out a way to get 12 gigs of ram going. Or 24 :)

Let me know how it goes. I get the first installment of my reenlistment bonus in October and I'm considering blowing ~2k on a new comp for Cata boxing.

[merujo]

Buy SSD instead of SATA
Ditch the DVD Burner - is it made of gold?
U can pass on the cpu cooler and buy an even better CPU - unless u gonna oc

[MiRai]

I don't know Void, if you're going to blow that much cash on a rig I'd figure out a way to get 12 gigs of ram going. Or 24 :)
He's buying an AMD CPU which uses dual channel memory, 12GB and 24GB aren't normally what you would see on a dual channel board [gotta be able to divide by 1,2, or 4 and fit them into 4 slots -- 3/6/9/12GB modules do not exist in the non-ECC world]. His board only supports 16GB anyway, and 16GB would cost him anywhere between $400 and $800 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006073&IsNodeId=1&name=16GB%20%284%20x%204GB%29). I suggested 8GB above, but if he can get 16GB for $400 I'd go that route.


Buy SSD instead of SATA
Ditch the DVD Burner - is it made of gold?
U can pass on the cpu cooler and buy an even better CPU - unless u gonna oc
Guess you missed his updated list which is 6 posts above yours. He has an SSD, and he doesn't even list that burner or the cooler in the updated list.


To Void:
I just noticed, WTF do you need DDR3 2000 for? You planning on that heavy of an overclock? Your board would normally support 1333 or 1066.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Although all my computers are AMD, I would really only consider Intel I7 at this point, with a MB capable of 24g (and put in 12G if you can't afford 24 right now using 3 4G moduals).

With 24G ram you dont need SSD, you don't need a super fast cpu (920 is more then fine), you don't need a super video card (unless you want to play at all options on), although 1G is minimimun.

[Void]

IS this memory worth 419$ and would it be worth the cash to toss that into my setup. all other 16g packages are over 500$

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9Q-16GBRL