Another new member

[nashwan]

Hi All!

I played WoW from the release day and quit about 3 years ago when i became a dad, now though, after having read a lot about what blizz have done with the place and especially 10 man instances have the same loot as 25 mans and alot of my old guildmates are really slowing down to a more casual "once or twice a week" attitude, i really feel like playing again.

what i dont feel like is the grind to 80... then i though about dual boxing a healer to my rogue, and i read about the "RaF" thing... and now im all fired up!

downloaded the keyclose app the other day and i just spoke with a mate of mine and he just referred me... so i´ll get started playing soon.

My question though, as i will be playing a rogue (thinking about a bloodelf) , what class with healing abilities do you think would "fit the bill" priest or paladin ?

my mate plays a priest so i will be getting some tips on how to play by him, but the idea of a tank is really nice while leveling a rogue.

obviously, both of them can rez and heal...

i´ve never played a pally and I kinda stopped playing shortly after the release of TBC so i dont know what they are capable of (except that they are hard as hell to kill in AV)

I´ve also noticed that alot of "teams" here consist of a paladin tank, are they easy to setup macrowise ? a rogue is a very mobile class so i need something to work with, and not something to grow mad about =)

i´ve tried searching for pally macros here but dont understand much about them, i also checked out the paladin talenttree over att wowhead.com and .... well, i guess it makes more sense when you play them =)

so, in short:
what class would you pick to support a rogue leveling from scratch? pally or priest?

/Nash

[crowdx]

Any healing class would work, my personal preference for a healing class supporting a melee would be a class with range spells, i.e. Priest, Shaman or Druid, these toons could the dps and heal from a distance and so you would get through mobs even fasters. Pally would work but it would be quite a different playstyle.

[ElectronDF]

I never boxed with a rogue (other than my mixed team). But if I had a choice to start one, I would pick which partner (alt) would go with what you are trying to achieve. I do large scale PVP, so I would want a druid to stealth with me. It would let me stealth to get to places and if I wanted to set up a trap, I could just pop my druid out of stealth and park him. Then when a person comes up a gank a lowly druid, I could get him.

I agree with a pally being able to tank, that might be nice. Also, he could judge from 10 yards (while on follow of you), which would stop him, put him in melee and have a life regen ability (judgement of light). Bam, it helps heal him, and you and you won't have to do much to worry about him.

The priest would be nice for fears (to help with defense), anti-magic (dispel), DK's diseases (cure disease), bubble and renew while moving and fort for stam. All seem pretty nice. But he will be sticking out like a sore thumb in PVP. Unless you can really stop someone from ganking the priest, you will constantly be losing a healer.

Also, having someone to dump aggro off onto seems nice. It fits with the playstyle of the class (not to tank mobs). Dumping aggro onto a bear or a pally seems good. You can't really dump aggro onto a priest and have him live through it.

But really, just pick what works for you. Maybe you like and understand pet classes. A hunter's pet can tank for you. It can do AOE to pick up mobs (tenacity pet), it can be healed easily by the hunter and you get free easy (ranged) DPS from the hunter itself. Same mostly with a lock (voidwalker or felguard).

The ones that don't really work is non-healers and melee also. Both really don't work out well.

[Littleburst]

I'd pick double dps to level. Ret/feral/Shadow priest + the rogue. It's pretty much wasted to dedicated 50% of your power to healing while leveling.

Which class to pick depends on what you want to do once they're 80. Druid/paladin obviously has most options. (tank,dps and heal)

[nashwan]

Thanks for all the thoughts guys, i did think about a druid at first, feral for leveling and the ability to do stealthruns + heal just seems great... but the problem then shifts to race, as i´ll be playing horde, the only race that can be a druid is a tauren, and they cant be rogues so that means i have to level them apart from each other at first. maybe thats not a big issue, but i got this nagging feeling that i will be spending (wasting?) more time on travelling.

but maybe the ups in the end outweighs the down at the start of my boxing career =)

ill look into the druid as an option for sure.

a question related to that: is it possible to write a spellmacro to do different stuff depending on stance ? the druid forms are different stances i think, as is stealth, right ?

[Khatovar]

but the problem then shifts to race, as i´ll be playing horde, the only race that can be a druid is a tauren, and they cant be rogues so that means i have to level them apart from each other at first. maybe thats not a big issue, but i got this nagging feeling that i will be spending (wasting?) more time on travelling.

a question related to that: is it possible to write a spellmacro to do different stuff depending on stance ? the druid forms are different stances i think, as is stealth, right ?

You shouldn't really have any issue with leveling two different races. Orc, Tauren and Troll should be able to pick up most of each other's early quests, and anything you can't you should be able to make up for with discovery XP or a few minutes of solo killing. And you can use the Zepplin from Thunder Bluff to Orgrimarr now, so you don't have to spend forever corpsehopping through The Barrens.


As far as spells, you should be able to set up bar switching automatically based on the druid's stance. I don't know if the default UI does it, since I haven't used the default UI since...2004, but I think it does. If not, pretty much all bar mods do. So, you write the macro you want for bear form, go into bearform, drop the macro where you want it. And so on. As you change forms, it should bring up the proper bar with the proper macros. It'll work the same way with your rogue in and out of stealth.

[ElectronDF]

There is an option for stance (form is shorthand---same thing).
/cast [stance:1] SuperDPS; [stance:2] SuperHeal; [stance:5] RunAway; [form:3] TankyTankSpell

Info: http://www.wowwiki.com/Stance

Also remember that no goes with anything, so [nostance] [noform] might help sometimes. Also, like you said, you can just check for stealth. [stealth] [nostealth]

I am 98% sure that the < lvl 6 starting quests are race specific. But anything >6 is open for everyone. You spend 10-30 mins depending on race choice going from place to place (BE > tauren being long, tauren >orc/troll and undead <> BE being short). That 30 mins investment is nothing when you are talking about weeks of play to get them leveled. Pick what you want and do it, don't worry about what you have to do to get it.

Pick what you want, not just what others tell you. You will be the one playing these chars for a LONG time. Pick ones you want to play. Again, I would choose based on what you want to do with them. Think about BGs, WG (new WG areas in Cata), instancing, group quests (not a lot of those now), grouping with others (not a boxer's style, but still can be done), world PVP (if on a PVP server), speed of killing, safety of killing, can you both have escape mechanisms, etc.

[icey]

Thanks for all the thoughts guys, i did think about a druid at first, feral for leveling and the ability to do stealthruns + heal just seems great... but the problem then shifts to race, as i´ll be playing horde, the only race that can be a druid is a tauren, and they cant be rogues so that means i have to level them apart from each other at first. maybe thats not a big issue, but i got this nagging feeling that i will be spending (wasting?) more time on travelling.

but maybe the ups in the end outweighs the down at the start of my boxing career =)

ill look into the druid as an option for sure.

a question related to that: is it possible to write a spellmacro to do different stuff depending on stance ? the druid forms are different stances i think, as is stealth, right ?


This is not a problem if your doing RaF, you can just summon friend. It may leave out a few quests for 1 of them, just skip it. At 300% more exp you will not need all of them.

Im currently working on my shammys, and I leveled from 1-28 in a day, 28-48 other day. (28-48 in WSG weekend). If you win, you level. Simple as that.

[nashwan]

thanks again for all the inputs, really appreciate it!

i got up and running last night, installed keyclone and set it up for a PiP dualbox, it was a bit tricky and the keyclone guides are not really up to date but a few friendly videos on youtube got me started, but i do have a few questions:

when i typ a chat message, my slave is jumping and opening the map and stuff, this is really annoying, do i really have to exclude every key on the keyboard except for the numerals that i intend to use for spells ? and what happens when someone asks what my ping is ? i still have to but numbers in there... any ideas on how to do this ?

also, are you guys using the same WoW directory ? or do you have 1 copy of wow installed for each of you toons ?

i also ran into a few snags with jamba not sharing quests and free-for-all looting doesnt always happen every kill, but ill look into my settings some more, i was rather pressed for time last night so maybe i didnt set up my team right.

[icey]

When you write you can always click "pause"-key. It will not send any keys to the slave.

[nashwan]

When you write you can always click "pause"-key. It will not send any keys to the slave.

Ah, simple enough!

what about the intallation folders, do you run X amount of the same wow.exe or are you set up in different directories for all the different toons?

i´ve seen both being used in "how to" videos on youtube...