keyclone: non-free version of multibox

[keyclone]

Xzin Edit: Discussion here: http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?p=2003

Trying to keep the forums tidy - don't need 2+ topics on the same subject. I stickied the other one.

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lots of people here seem to be asking how its done... here's my solution: Keyclone

initially created for Shadowbane, works very well on WoW

these 5 mages were running on a single cpu with 2GB system memory and 256M grfx memory. I didn't need to tie more then one machine together (which i could have done). Each of the windows were in 800x600 windowed mode.

All coordinated using keyclone ( http://solidice.com/keyclone )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ev7wuPSkl0

[dilbert]

currently known bugs:
extended keys (alt, ctrl, and shift) are currently not working across machines.
only tested on WinXP
no reported crashes


Biggest thing that would hold a lot of people back I think

[Xzin]

Also the $50 fee might hold some people back. I think its good to have lots of tools available though.

[keyclone]

do you think you'd really need it?

i released it for the first time about a year ago, and no one has asked for that bug fixed.

need it?

[Shogun]

do you think you'd really need it?

i released it for the first time about a year ago, and no one has asked for that bug fixed.

need it?

I personally wouldn't use a tool that didn't provide support for ctrl/alt/shift on keys, but I tend to keybind everything I can, and use alot of macros :)

[Otlecs]

Ditto. You probably didn't hear from people who wanted that feature because we're using free tools instead, which don't have that problem.

I agree that it's good to have a choice of available tools. I did, after all, choose to buy Multiplicity instead of having the free version of Synergy... something I may yet backtrack on now Synergy can apparently do everything that Multiplicity AND Multibox can and the Mutliplicity guys show no interest in adding broadcasting to their offering.

[dilbert]

I would need it for sure. When you get to the point where you have so many macros you need all the keys you can get.

And if you are charging for an application I would say fixing the bugs is a must? am I wrong here? Why would someone buy a product knowing it has bugs (although a majority of us play WoW which is full of bugs anyway) when things are available for free that have more utility (basing utility on the alt/shift/ctrl issue).

So yeah for me (and probably 80% of the wow multibox community) those keys are vital.

If you really want to fix it make it free and open source or at least make it free and take on a partner to fix the bug and possibly charge after that. Although with free open source software like synergy and multibox available I do not think charging should even be an option at least if you are aiming to get business/feedback from the WoW community.

[keyclone]

the ctrl/alt/shift keys work fine on the local machine, its when you go across machines that they have an issue. and for the most part, the local machine was sufficient to run the 3-6 accounts at once. of course, seeing some of the rigs some of you guys have here (200 accounts??? wtf)... i can see the need.

adding macro capability is something that has been asked for but its also the thing that would make it one of the 'outlawed' apps (currently in the grey area as using keyclone isn't unattended)

but then again, there's no reason not to go back and fix it. i'll work on it this weekend.

while i'm at it... want anything in particular for macros? anything you've been wanting to do and haven't found yet?

[Xzin]

As of 2.2 patch, it is going to support left and right alt,shift,ctrl as modifier keys.

[Flubber]

I would enjoy to test this tool, but it says expired. Is it not possible to test it a few days? (Even a few hours)

Next Questing: Does the buyable key keeps valid when reinstalling windows?

[Shogun]

I believe it's tied to the CPU?

I don't think macros or automation are what we'd be after, but mainly the ability to broadcast modifier keys to all machines, the option to have some or all modifiers on some or all machines at once would also be excellent. Other than that, how is it different to AHK? (which can be used to bot)

I would consider paying for a tool if:

It did what I mentioned before with multipliers, ie alot of flexibility from them.

Did not incorporate anything like automation that could be considered a rule breaker (this is what I dislike about AHK, that grey area)

Has decent support, tutorial on setup etc (even just a notepad/pdf file with a walkthrough on setting it up etc)

A discount if you purchase more than 1 copy would be good, $10 once is fine, but tied to each machine and I'd need 3 currently, starts to add up...

I have no problem with someone charging for something they've created, after all you've spent time and effort to create it, that time is worth something, but, there are free tools that do the same or at least offer similar functions, you need something to make the fee worthwhile. If you can do some or all of the mentioned above, you'd be well on your way to offering those incentives imo :)

[Xzin]

I agree. I am all for somebody profiting from their knowledge, experience and time. But it needs to be compelling. Right now it is $50 for 5 licenses, closed source and can not meet the same functionality as Multibox. Plus no word on support or updates.

If there was a compelling reason to purchase it (it gave an advantage over multibox) then I would consider it a viable tool. As it sits right now, it needs a little more to get to that point, in my opinion.

[keyclone]

ok, so on one hand i have people asking for macro capability.. and on the other, no automation. hmmm. how to solve? would a second, free, macro app suffice? (should work with existing macro apps anyhow)

i'll definitely implement key mapping (i've been wanting it for a while) and fix the alt/shift/ctrl issue.

also, your license is perpetual... meaning all future releases will work for you. the license is tied to the cpu, but i do (and have) transfer them upon request, from the originating email... of course. (i really should make a web interface for that)

group discounts? not sure how the web interface would understand that

[Nitro]

ok, so on one hand i have people asking for macro capability.. and on the other, no automation. hmmm. how to solve?

The best way to solve this and keep half your product off the Wardens hot list is to release two seperate products:

Keyclone

Advanced Keyclone

(Mabey go a step further and give them totally unrelated names so there is no confusion as to which one could get you banned)

[Shogun]

ok, so on one hand i have people asking for macro capability.. and on the other, no automation. hmmm. how to solve?

The best way to solve this and keep half your product off the Wardens hot list is to release two seperate products:

Keyclone

Advanced Keyclone

(Mabey go a step further and give them totally unrelated names so there is no confusion as to which one could get you banned)

Excellent suggestion. Macros generally aren't needed, I just need to be able to map say a key on my KB to ctrl+shift+1 and have it broadcast to all accounts or PCs, but be able to "unbind" it if I choose to, ie choose which keybinds are or aren't sent, or at least which keys and key combinations

[overkil2]

I have 2 licenses for Keyclone and would love to be able to send CTRL, ALT, etc across to the other PC.

I just got a 3rd PC, so expect me to get a 3rd license, sometime soon. When I get around to it.

[overkil2]

One thing though. Keyclone doesn't work with EQ2. At least I haven't been able to get it to work.

The only thing that I was able to get to work with EQ2 was Synergy.

[Steph]

ok, so on one hand i have people asking for macro capability.. and on the other, no automation. hmmm. how to solve? would a second, free, macro app suffice? (should work with existing macro apps anyhow)

i'll definitely implement key mapping (i've been wanting it for a while) and fix the alt/shift/ctrl issue.
...

I think you just misread the poster who was talking about macros. I think he meant just having enough keybindings for the wow client's macros, i.e. the CTRL/ALT/SHIFT issue.

[Notes]

Heya, I bought keyclone last night and after a week of trying around with all sort of coding, this just gave me what I needed!

It rocks :) Hope the program will be updated with some nice stuff, although it has everything I need atm.
I'm running 5 WoW's on one pc and it rocks, easy...

Just hope it won't get me banned from WoW .. :?:

[Shogun]

Do you run the extra copies of WoW minimised btw? I've not looked into doing that yet...

[Mannyman]

How difficult would it be to run different class types instead of all mages etc? I have a priest/lock/mana or warrior/shammy/pally setup in mind. Two classes would run on one computer via Keyclone/AHK/etc, I would control the 3rd on another computer.

[overkil2]

How difficult would it be to run different class types instead of all mages etc? I have a priest/lock/mana or warrior/shammy/pally setup in mind. Two classes would run on one computer via Keyclone/AHK/etc, I would control the 3rd on another computer.

I was thiking something along the same lines but like a pally/priest and 3 mages

[keyclone]

keyclone doesn't work with EQ2?? i've never played it and i have no idea why it wouldn't work. Keyclone is designed to work with any windows app accepting normal keyboard input (could they be doing something wierd in EQ2?)

as for the hotkey limitation, look to my other post about keymaps

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=616

[simon021]

I can't get anything to broadcast to multiple windows in eq2. I know synergy or multibox work for broadcasting across multiple PCs in eq2, but I havn't been able to get ANY software to work with eq2 to control 2 clients on 1 pc. If someone is able to produce one I would pay for it in a heartbeat.

And to keyclone, you can get a trial for eq2 and download it for free if you would like to do some testing. Otherwise I would be more than happy to pay for a license or 2 to do some testing for you, as long as it is refundable if it ends up not capable of working on eq2. I dont expect any freebies, but I would love to help you get it working on EQ2. I have been reading on all the forums trying to find any AHK scripts that work with eq2 with no luck. I keep seeing things about how they somehow blocked Controlsend in the eq2 client, but I dont know enough about AHK to really delve too deep into it. My programming knowledge is limited.

I would die to have a team of wizards in eq2 =) So far the only option is another box and multibox/synergy.

edit: Ok so I just went ahead and purchased a copy. When I get home at lunch today I'll do some testing with EQ2.

[simon021]

Does not work with EQ2, although Rob@Keyclone has contacted me and is willing to work with me to try and get it working. Him being involved as much as he is makes me feel good about the 10 bucks i spent, even if it currently doesn't work for me.

[penguini]

I am wondering, is there a trial version of this? I really would like to buy this, but I like to try stuff out before I buy it. I want to see how it works on my computer, because this really looks useful.

[keyclone]

sorry, currently, there is no trial version available

[Notes]

Don't wait for a trial tbh, just buy it and start playing = have fun .. Saves the wait since you will like it anyway ...

Once you bought it for the 10 dollars it cost, the next thing you wanna do is get merried with KeyClone ... I love it :wink:

And no I'm not a keyclone fanboy, I just like the easyness of setups .. Takes a few mins to get 5 chars casting and healing.

[Xzin]

Locking this thread - there is another one in the hardware forums that discusses the same thing. No need for duplication.