Cata, Any 5-boxers (or other) on the PTR?

[confusedtx5]

Any multiboxers out there running dungeons on the PTR?
A couple of my guildies reckon the new 5man dungeons will be impossible to multibox and I'm very keen to prove them wrong.
I never multiboxed (or solo boxed) any of the BC heroic dungeons, and only 5 boxed the bc normal dungeons during wotlk, so I am curious as to how hard the Cata dungeons will be to multibox. Is it just standing back, assigning cc targets, then pulling? Over just running in and aoeing everything. Is it possible to brute force through it or are there mechanics to prevent that?
Sorry, I don't want to check for vids just yet. I haven't decided if I want to run those dungeons with no prior knowledge or to research them first. No prior knowledge is more fun (at least until you've wiped 10 times) but researching would probably get me to 85 faster.
Thanks for your time

[Shodokan]

Depending on your group composition and your reaction time it is still doable. The days of single class teams blowing through heroics are over though till there is a severe outgearing

[OzPhoenix]

Depending on your group composition and your reaction time it is still doable. The days of single class teams blowing through heroics are over though till there is a severe outgearing

Uh oh.

5xPaladin (with 4xRepentance) isn't going to cut it in Cata?

[Shodokan]

Uh oh.

5xPaladin (with 4xRepentance) isn't going to cut it in Cata?

Maybe, repentence doesn't just work on humanoids anymore... according to the new wowtal talents.

[lightstriker]

+ 4 hammer of justice

[Seldum]

5x druids...

[daviddoran]

SS DE. It may not be tank n spanks, but im sure they will be boxable, we just have to think outside of the box(es) lol. It would be interesting to hear first hand tho, but I doubt anyone has 5 beta accts just yet.

[Iceorbz]

Hrm, we did the first two dungeons with no cc. Just focus firing the right (and wrong targets). I wouldnt say it's not possible.

People did shattered halls without CC, we can to just wait.

[jinkobi]

If we could box ICC 5 mans with all the gimmicks then I have hope we'll be able to do Cataclysm dungeons.

I've already began examining the videos of the dungeons with the videos out there. Lots and lots of gimmicks... But with proper macros many of the fights look doable from the very limited information available.

We'll get it done somehow... Might not be a bad idea to level a few different classes to mix into your group.

I'm finishing up leveling my old mage and have a priest I've been working on as well. My main team is a paladin tank + 4 druids. Have a rogue @ 80 also and plan to toss in my mage/rogue and priest (if needed) depending on the scenario.

Going to be a feeling out process for us all to see what teams are working best.

[Multibocks]

Most of the videos I watched they were nothing special. Stand here, dont stand in that, etc. A few bosses looked hard and then I realized that if I moved my casters as one unit it would be pretty easy(which is what I normally do.) It just looks like shit hits really hard so you cant afford for anyone but the tank to be hit. Granted everyone in the video is wearing quested stuff, so lets wait until we have crafted blues(or new season pvp gear for survival) before saying the world is ending.

[Svpernova09]

Maybe, repentence doesn't just work on humanoids anymore... according to the new wowtal talents.


Blue has stated paladins are the least functional atm because their trees just aren't finished. I wouldn't trust *anything* in the current talents of the current beta to be too accurate. Not saying this won't go live, but lets remember, there's a huge difference between "talent tree not finished" and "beta" and even more so to "live"

[outdrsyguy1]

Honestly, they can't make it any harder than HOR or any of the new ICC 5 mans. Remember there are total tards and terrible puggers playing this game that Bliz will want to make sure they can do the 5 man content. They made raiding puggable..... you really think they are going to come up with something that takes a crazy amount of coordination? I don't see it...

[Owltoid]

This game has only become more simple, not more difficult. I'd be beyond shocked if multiboxers can easily clear current heroics but won't be able to in the expansion. As outdrsguy1 said, the game is full of crappy players and Blizzard has made it their goal to appeal to the masses.

[Fat Tire]

Honestly, they can't make it any harder than HOR or any of the new ICC 5 mans. Remember there are total tards and terrible puggers playing this game that Bliz will want to make sure they can do the 5 man content. They made raiding puggable..... you really think they are going to come up with something that takes a crazy amount of coordination? I don't see it...

Well said.

If any of you remember shadow labs and those big pulls, that was difficult at first and just annoying at the end. They said they would not make pulls like that again, same goes for some of those same kinda pulls that were in MT.

[ebony]

MGT HC ya wow that was hard but even that could be muliboxed so i think it just take us a bit off time they not going to make it so hard it can not be done.

The HP pools are so bigg in cata a mage as more of less the same hp as a tank so i think they can take a few hits.

[zenga]

After dinging 80 around last new year as a both being new to wow and boxing, I spent a great deal of my time reading all possible threads inhere that covered the current hc's. And I saw many 'omg occulus can't be boxed', .. 'toc is not possible', 'hor is way to hard to box' ... PoS ... omg. Until someone discovered a strategy and it became 'very doable'. And then someone figured he could farm icc 10m trash on his own for rings, Not to mention that rotface, gunship, festergut have been 10 boxed. Not to mention that necha managed to clear icc including lich king while playing 4 shamans.

So unless they change any of the mechanics we use to box (focus, follow, iwt, ..w/e) there will always be a way to box. In my 'short' time I'm here I've learned 1 thing: multiboxers excel in finding creative solutions.

Maybe the classic boxing team (pally/dk or pally/shammies) won't shine like they did in wotlk, but it doesn't mean they can't do it any longer. Myself I'm planning to have an as flexible setup as possible so I can use the combo that works best for a particular instance (pally + 3 ele + resto now, and i'll have a lock, priest, druid, mage, hunter & warrior tank up).

[Toned]

If you can 4 box in ICC effectively you should have no problem with up coming content unless they bring back Magtheridon cubes !

Even then though positioning and mouse broadcasting will prob make click this item doable ><

[Multibocks]

Oh god don't give them ideas!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

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Remember back when people said BC fights wouldn't be boxable because of all the movement and MC and shit, especially fights like Nazan, Kelidan the Breaker, etc.? Yeah. Not only did we box 'em, we boxed 'em with single-class teams and, in some cases, 4-manned it a few levels above. People said the same thing about Northrend instances and, while we haven't been as easily successful doing things like 5-shaman runs without overgearing, the basic trend held, even through the fights that people insisted would absolutely NEVER EVER EVER NEVER be boxable like Oculus and ToC. HA! I suspect it will be exactly the same with Cataclysm 5-mans, it will just require (as every other new experience did) a rethinking of how you are set up for the new fights.

Of course, there may be certain gimmick fights that wouldn't be doable but I've yet to see Blizzard implement anything like that and I have no reason to think they are desirous of screwing over multiboxers.

Consider as well that a mediocre multiboxer like me is about as coordinated as a really bad PuG, so Blizzard can't really do things that hamper us too much or they risk alienating a much larger portion of their playerbase. ;)

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[Mosg2]

I'd just like to echo what Zenga said. I've been boxing for 3 years and change now and every time something pops up people scream "AMG this will never be boxable." And then a week later it's boxed. We're a determined and resourceful bunch.

The only thing that's actually difficult for boxers is when each individual toon needs to be doing something that requires you to use the mouse in my experience--And that's not a mechanic that Blizz has really been pushing, even in raids.

[Firstcow]

Well, I'm probably not going to set foot in the new instances and I'm just going to get 5 sets of crafted pvp gear and do full PVP until I get all the tier 1 PVP gear and at the same time get conquest points for T2 gear. Then when I outgear the shit outta the instance I will go into it. Just like how I can now do heroic HOR on my DK+rets and I'm not bothering with any repentance or stuns. Sure, they hit hard in HHOR, but I hit harder :)

[jinkobi]

Even if it does turn out to be hard. I look forward to the challenge right now. After the mind numbing routine of heroics I'm ready!

And at least most of it'll be doable.. Probably going to require special macros for certain bosses.

There might be a few sticking points. Like there's one boss that kind of works like The Twins in AQ40 and you must kite the adds or they instaheal. Not sure how we'll manages to kite 2-3 mobs at the same time.

That's hilarious Ugh how your rate yourself as a mediocre PUG. I'm sure you're better than I but that's how I always rated myself also. I can't be worse than a hell of a lot of the PUGS I've seen or been in!

[Multibocks]

oh they insta heal? Thought that they just made it so tank couldnt be healed.

[jinkobi]

oh they insta heal? Thought that they just made it so tank couldnt be healed.

Maybe I need to watch it again :p Could have sworn they were healing each other but you're probably right.

Well if that's the case then it could probably just be brute forced I'm not sure. I hear the mobs do hit especially hard and if the tank can't be healed, well you know.

BRB rewatching vid :D

Yeah looks like he has a stacking healing debuff. A boss+2 adds and they will occassionally switch places. Here's the video if anyone is interested- and the boss we're talking about is at the very end of the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TotalHalibut#p/u/20/eff6O6YVkJg

[outdrsyguy1]

wow, that last boss definately looks like a real PITA for multiboxers. I'm sure one of you will come up with a reasonable strat :P
I could probabably kite with my main screen and have the group sit there dps'ing boss and not running around like crazy, but the switches could be tough to have tank pick up boss and other toon pickup adds and start kiting again.

[Maxion]

Prolly need to just try to burn him as much as you can, then when tank is about to need heals, pull adds away until debuff goes off and heal tank before letting them go back.

[Slats]

I predict everything will be boxable. All will be conquered. People said Occulus would be impossible, but we've done it.

People thought TOC and HOR would be impossible unless you where Niley and a few others - now we all do it.

I would suggest people playing teams like DK + 4 Rets consider offspecing one of them to Holy and having a holy set for learning the new content. So many changes to the Ret playstyle/tree that we cant rely on the current mechanics for the way this group works to well , work.

I cant wait for the challenge and the newness of it all tho. Way stoked.

[Multibocks]

one of my rets is offspec for this very reason =D