LoB vs DiT segregation

[Mokoi]

Hi guys, as you know I am one of the longest LoB members out here. I was here with Fur when it was just 4 or 5 of us.

I love LoB, and I will never change guilds or gameplay, I really enjoy you guys.

I am very happy we have the DiT guys infused into our guild as well, and Svper is a great GL now that Fur has rescinded his position.

There has been a trend to refer to events, and activities within the guild and outside of raid activities referred to as <DiT> events, this is a bit misleading and exclusionary.

I Just want to shed some light on concerns I have heard a few times from members of the guild.

Best regards,

-Dan

[Fiddlesticks]

lol let's all edit our posts...

[Mokoi]

You are welcome, I am only saying that referring to the guild as DiT may be a bad thing.

when you plan guild events that are outside of the context of your raiding group, it may be better to use the guilds name you are in as opposed to your raid group.

There's no reason to rage on me and gquit. We are all more mature than that.

I am merely seeing some of the concerns I have heard over the past 6 months from other people now and I understand, so I wanted to shed some light on it.

This is my job as an officer, and as someone who really likes the guild. Relax.

[Fiddlesticks]

lol let's all edit our posts...

[Fiddlesticks]

lol let's all edit our posts...

[Vecter]

You are welcome, I am only saying that referring to the guild as DiT may be a bad thing.

when you plan guild events that are outside of the context of your raiding group, it may be better to use the guilds name you are in as opposed to your raid group.

There's no reason to rage on me and gquit. We are all more mature than that.

I am merely seeing some of the concerns I have heard over the past 6 months from other people now and I understand, so I wanted to shed some light on it.

This is my job as an officer, and as someone who really likes the guild. Relax.

Guild events should be and only be LoB. If they get labeled as DiT then that is incorrect. DiT is ONLY for designation as a raid team. We kept it as when we first arrived there was already a pseudo raid schedule that Fur was running and while we could have made a LoB 2 it made more sense to just stick with the DiT designation considering most of the members were from the original DiT guild. A lot has changed since then and many attempts made to grow the raid team beyond a single 10man, we just haven't had any luck doing that.

I am not sure why people are using DiT outside of the progression raid group so maybe we can just call it an oops and correct that usage. I am proud to have Legion of Boom under my name and look forward to any and all guild events as such.

[Svpernova09]

Guild events should be and only be LoB. If they get labeled as DiT then that is incorrect. DiT is ONLY for designation as a raid team. We kept it as when we first arrived there was already a pseudo raid schedule that Fur was running and while we could have made a LoB 2 it made more sense to just stick with the DiT designation considering most of the members were from the original DiT guild. A lot has changed since then and many attempts made to grow the raid team beyond a single 10man, we just haven't had any luck doing that.

I am not sure why people are using DiT outside of the progression raid group so maybe we can just call it an oops and correct that usage. I am proud to have Legion of Boom under my name and look forward to any and all guild events as such.

^^ This. I try to separate the usage because there is a difference. I don't meant o exclude anyone from DiT events, when we label an event as DiT, it's typically because it's a progression / hard mode run which is where you'll see me say in guild chat "DiT Needs X for Y". This is the raid group being short someone for some reason and we need a geared fill in. A lot of the time we don't even take a geared fill in, or don't get a response from the guild. That's perfectly fine. Legion of Boom is not a raiding guild, I can't reasonably expect to pull a ICC10 geared alt out of it. But even if I take Kicksome, and gear him up even more than what he's done on his own, or if we snag Souca, it's a matter of seriousness that we're trying to imply we want for the run.

I haven't been able to get the guild to do anything event wise. I've tried to do boxing raids, but I don't do well when we talk about doing something and the time comes to do it, and no one is online, or those that are aren't interested. That isn't exactly motivating for the person trying to run the event / raid / whatever. I've tried setting up another raid team, because we're constantly having people ask to raid, but no one wants to commit. And that's fine. It's a multiboxing guild, most are multiboxing because they want to play on *their* schedule and not commit to anything. But that leaves a lot of people our in the wind. This is the reason I'm fanatical about DiT. It gives those who want to see content the chance to do so.

There shouldn't be any segregation, which is why we all have the same guild tag. DiT is successful because we hold it's members to a certain standard and we refuse to accept anything less. LoB is successful because the people make it worth logging in everyday. Dozens of boxers didn't flock to this server just because they could. They wanted to be with other boxers, and that's what makes LoB successful in it's own way.

[Fiddlesticks]

I'm not going to spark up again, and I'm not going to beat a dead horde..

I'll just say, knowing the original context of the post.. this still would have been better treated as a mistake, that could easily have been corrected by talking to the person who made the mistake. Blanket statements made towards an entire "sub-group" are unnecessary, and they never work. Officer Duties or not.. there are more tactful ways to handle things like this.. and if it's been going on as long as it has been stated.. then it should have been addressed a long time prior to this. Bottling up problems, and letting them fester is no way to fix problems in guild. We're more mature than that.

[Multibocks]

It kinda felt like DiT was the cool kids group and I was at the losers table. GC just became another general chat after that. I'm not mad about it, not gonna quit and rage. I obviously cannot make consistent raid times. Just resigned to my lot in life, lol.

[Svpernova09]

DiT was a cool kids group and I can appreciate how hard it is to penetrate a group like that, that's why we ALL joined the guild, and had very little outside (guild chat) communication because we wanted people to feel welcome. I'm sorry you felt that way and I urge you to give the people another shot. The DiT crew has always been tight knit and close. My hope would be all of LoB or at least most would eventually be the same way.

[sliptrap]

Dit always tried to get other people from the guild involved but frankly no one wants to do shit. We are Zerg 2.0 one of the largest guilds on the server and no one ever wants to do a damn thing. So now that dit is dead I won't be remaining in the guild even though I was one of the original members.

[MiRai]

Dit always tried to get other people from the guild involved but frankly no one wants to do shit. We are Zerg 2.0 one of the largest guilds on the server and no one ever wants to do a damn thing. So now that dit is dead I won't be remaining in the guild even though I was one of the original members.
Damn man, a sad day indeed. =\

[Svpernova09]

Fur said it best, its a small army - with no general to lead it, and no mission to accomplish.

Until we determine a mission and assign some generals, this is where we stand.

That's not to say the guild isn't active. We're definitely active. We just lack the motivation to do things and that's mainly because of the kind of guild we are. We're a multiboxing guild where people want to do their own thing and hang with other boxers. There's nothing in the world wrong with that. Being in this guild you have to come to terms with that. Things have been like this since before I even came here.

[Fursphere]

This guild is one of the most interesting creatures I have ever seen.

All bark and no bite. Very few times did anyone leads raids when I wasn't available - then I left and no one picked up the torch. Svper lead his own crew, so if you weren't into progression solo raiding, you weren't involved.

Its like everyone liked the idea of raiding with boxers, but no one dared to lead it. It is truly unfortunate.

I do blame the LFG system a bit though - 232 gear became daily loot that got sharded, so "PuG" raiding became a joke. And the gearscore mod (and achievements to some degree) which ruined a large chunk of WoW. Talk about social segregation and discrimination.

Achievements - instead of badges of honor to be worn proudly instantly became the new heroic / raid keying lockout system.

Blizzard built a great game - but they really are their own worst enemy.

[daviddoran]

I remember a few times we were trying to get people to join raids, and it seemed that nobody wanted to single box a raid. I can see wanting to get all of their toons badges/achievements/loot, but cutting edge raid progression is tough as it is, and boxing brings additional complexity to the situation. Taking ones own time to set up macros for an encounter is one thing, but in a group setting, people tend to get antsy and bore easily. That is why I think 10 boxers have a slight advantage over groups trying to synchronize multiple boxers.

Maybe to clear the bad taste some may have in their mouth, we should eschew the DiT name for cataclysm, and just call it the single box raid team. The people in the lineup will be changing anyway.

[Fursphere]

I wouldn't hold your breath for that Dave.

Cataclysm is supposed to bring the "LFG" system for 10 man raids. And with the way they are redoing raid lockouts (so you can join another lockout ID as long as the number of boss kills match) - I think you're going to see a new era of pugging.

Why wait for raid night when you can just LFG into a PuG? Oh, killed one boss but had to leave? No worries, just LFG into another raid that matches your progression point. Oh, that one fails too? Call it a night and LFG tomorrow.

Seriously, if they do what they claimed they are going to do.

[Souca]

And another thing that bears mentioning is that DiT can be replaced with any name, but the people that aren't in that group will feel excluded no matter what the circumstances. It's just the nature of the beast. It happened in dodge ball when you were the last person picked, it will always happen when ever there is an order or a limit to the people that can be included in an event. Now I'm not saying I think it's wrong or right, just pointing out that people will likely feel excluded no matter what.

- Souca -

[Mokoi]

Yeah i remember making a big push for raiding and even though I had to lead raids on my schedule there wasn't much interest from even enough people to do 10 mans at that point (pre-DiT)