Shodokan's Army - Cataclysm Preperation & Discussion

[Shodokan]

Disclaimer:There are some aspects of this plan that are considered "theory-crafting" and can ONLY BE DONE ON A FULL SERVER ON THE SCALE I WILL BE DOING IT!

Introduction
I'm Colin. Better known around the web as Shodokan. This post is to inform the dual-boxing community of my efforts to obtain "wow infamy." Before you jump to conclusions as to the point of all this i would like to explain my definition of "wow infamy." My aim in cataclysm is to help my friends enjoy this game much more than your average person. I'm creating a core 10 man guild which will eventually morph into a 25 man guild throughout cataclysm. The overall aim is through the help of some friends in the front end to be the first "single" person to fund an entire guild of player's world of warcraft experience that is not funded by some sort of corporation or sponsor. This includes but is not limited to; training, mounts, repairs, professions, gems, enchants and BOE gear for the current raid content. To do this i've started having friends reach out to their friends and inform them of my plan for the future and talking to them...seeing what they are like and i guess you could say having "tryouts."

Thus "Shodokan's Army" is setting out to start cataclysm preparation. So far this group is going strong and includes the following people at this given time.


My Self
Rude
Robert
Dane
Mike
Ben
Justin
Kate
Charlie
Kenny!!!

The "army" is starting out with the task of getting materials for leveling JC for 40 toons and alchemy materials for another 8 toons. Deviant has been nice enough to host on his home server a database for all materials needed along with a user interface for showing where items are in what guild bank (we are using 4 of them) and I'd like to give him a special shout out because of all of his hard work on that. Also like to thank kenny for about 70% of the materials i will need to level JC on all 40 toons.

All of them are miners and have herbalist alts, meaning that my professions will hit max level by the end of week one on all my toons come cataclysm. Even if i have to buy most of the mats that's NP.

Why Jewel Crafting/Alchemy?
Some of you may be wondering why I'm strictly going JC/Alchemy opposed to incorporating other professions into my arsenal as originally planned. The reason for this is simple...money. JC/Alchemy will produce the highest sum of cash per week for AT LEAST the first six months of the expansion after which JC will only slightly fall behind Tailoring. This is due to the fact that for the past two expansions they have kept a solid timeline of 2 years for content and have released epic gems at a point at least 6 months into the game's lifetime. In WOTLK's lifetime it was in September of 2009 which is ten months after launch which is around what it was in BC which was twelve months exactly(hyjal brought epic gems).

The math behind JC
For those of you who remember the start of wrath you remember the price of thing were insane. Below were the approximate stabilized prices on Illidan horde for cut, uncut gems and ore. We can expect something similar in cataclysm for at least the first six months. If you compensate for the increase in gold added to the game based upon the quests you can expect higher prices than this much like the prices inflated in WOTLK.

Cut
Red/Yellow/Blue: 250g
Purple/Green/Orange = 175g

Uncut
Red/Yellow/Blue: 200g
Purple/Green/Orange = 150g
Dragon's Eye = 100

Ore: 45g per stack


Having 40 jewel crafters is simply for the fire prism for the most part. Any toon high enough to do or get carried through the dailies (4 low level toons, 1 high level) also contribute one token per day.

40 JC require 120 of each green gem per cooldown. This is quite a bit if you ask me, but in the long run especially buying bulk ore it's nothing. This means that at least 840 of each green gem are required per week. On a high population server this is easy to accomplish but on a low pop server unless you buy ALL the ore you will not get this much.

Each stack of ore gives 4 prospects with the chances of the following:
4% per blue quality gem
18% per green quality gem

Assuming the cost of ore is 60g per stack (lowball imo with the gold from quests and such) we can assume that it will take at least 1200 stacks of ore per week. Which gives 4800 prospects.

This means the total cost of the stacks: ~72000g

MATHMATICALLY
Blue Quality (at least amount below)
192 red
192 blue
192 yellow
192 orange
192 purple
192 green

Uncut Value: [(192*3*200)+(192*3*150)] = [(115200)+(84640)] = 201600
Cut Value: [(192*3*250)+(192*3*175)] = [(144000)+(100800)] = 244800

Green quality (at least amount below)864 red
864 blue
864 yellow
864 purple
864 green
864 orange

So lets assume we can get the SEVEN prisms per week per toon. We are going to go by the math behind icy prism for computing this because of the fact that chimera eye will exist, but i will also show the math behind brilliant glass as well (single gem opposed to 2.5 average)

Icy Prism Type (280 per week) = 2.5 * 280 = 700 gems average
70 chimera's eye
112 red
112 blue
112 yellow
112 purple
112 green
112 orange

Uncut
Value: [(3 * 200 *112) + (3 * 112 * 150) + (70 * 100)] = [(67200)+(50400)+(7000)]
Total Value: 124600
Including prospected gems: 326200
Profit: 254200

Cut
Value: [(3 * 250 *112) + (3 * 112 * 175) + (70 * 100)] = [(84000)+(58800)+(7000)]
Total Value: 149800
Including prospected gems: 394600
Profit: 322600

Brilliant Glass Type (280 gems per week, assume chance of 10% for chimeras eye for a 2nd gem and only this due to this item being in the game, the mechanic must be compensated for)
28 chimera's eye
47 red
47 blue
47 yellow
47 purple
47 green
47 orange

Uncut
Value: [( 3 * 47 * 200) + (3 * 47 * 150) + (28 * 100)] = [(28200) + (21150) + (2800)]
Total Value: 52150
Including prospected gems: 253750
Profit: 181750

Cut
Value: [( 3 * 47 * 250) + (3 * 47 * 175) + (28 * 100)] = [(35250) + (24675) + (2800)]
Total Value: 62725
Including prospected gems: 307525
Profit: 235525

The brilliant glass model is worth approximately 100k less gold than the icy prism model.

But do not fret...the community of jewel crafters are use to the way the system works now and with the casual aspect of cataclysm increasing we can expect the icy prism model because it allows for people who to choose this profession less startup time for getting the gear gemmed. If i were a betting man i'd bet quite a bit on this.

Alchemy
The recipes are released and there will be extra gems left over from the above which can be used, you can always purchase more ore though, not suggested though, better to take the hit.

As we know the alchemy masteries are staying. This means we have a 15% chance to get an extra gem per toon. Which turns out to be (using 7 cool downs per week) = 40 * 7 * .15 = 42 extra gems

At the beginning of WOTLK (at least on my server) stacks of herbs were 35g per stack and stayed there for a while. This means that you need 6 stacks of herbs per day. Total cost should be around 300g for that per day. So 2100g per week.

You get AT LEAST 320 gems per week. ( i assume you will only make blue, yellow, red)

Uncut worth: (320 * 200) = 64000
Cut worth: (320 * 250) = 80000

Overall profit between 6200 and 7800g

We can also assume that each toon will have a DAILY cool down for metas. DO NOT over-do metas! I suggest maybe making 20 metas per day maximum if you have the materials. Since there will only be a single meta type you can assume these will be worth approximately 300g each to start much like at the start of WOTLK, cut they were selling for close to 400 on my server, it might be different on yours but i assume this will be the case.

Like i said before... DO NOT DO METAS unless you have spare mats, blue/yellow/red gems will be paramount.

Worth Of Your Work

Weekly
No Dailys
Uncut AVERAGE (using glass and prism average) value: 281973
Cut AVERAGE (using glass and prism average) value: 357062.5


Dailys For Chimera
Uncut AVERAGE (using glass and prism average) value: 309973
Cut AVERAGE (using glass and prism average) value: 385062.5


Monthly
No Dailys
Uncut AVERAGE (using glass and prism average) value: 1127892
Cut AVERAGE (using glass and prism average) value: 1428250


Dailys For Chimera
Uncut AVERAGE (using glass and prism average) value: 1239892
Cut AVERAGE (using glass and prism average) value: 1540250

Amount of time per day?
Jc quests: 10 mins per group =80 mins
X-mute + prism = ~ 30 mins
Prospecting = 160 mins per week
Total: Under 2 hours per day and a total of 20ish hours per week.



In closing...if you are not a hardcore raider and don't give a shit about helping others then don't bother with this!

[Lyonheart]

HOLY WALL OF TEXT BATMAN!!! I say screw all profs and just do dailies,heroics or BGs, and or any combo of the three. Professions are boring! I do enough professions to be able to provide my own needs, not for money. I have 200k atm and made 90% in heroics and turning in honor for gems. I'm sure you will get filthy rich though! Have fun sitting on all those digets!

[daviddoran]

This is the beauty of warcraft, there's a ton of ways to get gold, so you should do the one that you like the most, or hate the least. I bounce around, i did quests for a while, then did heroic grinding, then did pvp grinding and bought gems, then did professions. I think ill get a few more crafters leveled, but nothing on the kind of scale Shodokan is doing.

Good luck, I hope you reach your goal! Maybe be the first to figure out if they up the gold cap?

[Slats]

I dont understand how you think using 10 people to make a shitload of gold on a market you have not even seen in action yet will get you Infamy? I also dont understand how having an insane amount of gems makes you a hardcore raider.

TBH everytime I come back to look at these forums it is turning more and more into your blog. You create one thread after the other, each big and grand and full of ideas only to change your plans in 2 days to something else.

I'm looking forward to when Cata launches and these forums might possible get back to being less about your ideas and more about multiboxing.

Good luck with your ideas, but seriously go get a blogspot account and go be on woweconomicreview.com if you want attention.

[MiRai]

Another goal of yours taken from this post (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=27148).

I plan to aim to break 1 million gold before Cataclysm comes out. I don't really know why i want to accomplish this but it's something i think would be really cool.
I'll be honest, I don't follow your every move but I really can't avoid your threads [there's that many of them] and I haven't seen you bragging about hitting that goal. So... did you hit it? Have you hit any of the larger goals you've set out for? Really not trying to be a dick [other people see me as one] because I think your posts are quite entertaining [when I do read them] but... what makes this goal so different?

[pearldrake999]

I like the idea, however, don't let anyone just take advantage of you, there can be bad infamy too.
However, your planning for the jewelcrafting and alchemy sounds brilliant. I leveled 5 jewelcrafters for the same reason on a smaller scale, and plan to do some alchemists and tailors for the same reasons.

Some pointers for the jewelcrafting.
Good tin and silver can be gotten from redridge mountain.
Mithril, badlands, near the whelps yeilds a nice amount.
Thorium. I cannot stress how good Un'Goro Crater is in getting thorium ore for higher end jems for jewelcrafting. it is an absolute godsend getting them.
As for fel iron and adamantite.... this will be a pain, however, don;t despair, nagrand and terokkar forest are great for adamantite, only problem is, you may end up with a lot of useless outland blue-quality gems.

[Shodokan]

Another goal of yours taken from this post (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=27148).

I'll be honest, I don't follow your every move but I really can't avoid your threads [there's that many of them] and I haven't seen you bragging about hitting that goal. So... did you hit it? Have you hit any of the larger goals you've set out for? Really not trying to be a dick [other people see me as one] because I think your posts are quite entertaining [when I do read them] but... what makes this goal so different?

I hit 400k, spent it, hit 200k, spent it, now i'm over 400k again. So i've hit it, just not accumulated 1 mill in the bank.

Well, it's 4am and i can't really put into words the difference. But hitting 1 million gold period, and this gold are far different.


I dont understand how you think using 10 people to make a shitload of gold on a market you have not even seen in action yet will get you Infamy? I also dont understand how having an insane amount of gems makes you a hardcore raider.

TBH everytime I come back to look at these forums it is turning more and more into your blog. You create one thread after the other, each big and grand and full of ideas only to change your plans in 2 days to something else.

I'm looking forward to when Cata launches and these forums might possible get back to being less about your ideas and more about multiboxing.

Good luck with your ideas, but seriously go get a blogspot account and go be on woweconomicreview.com if you want attention.

I did that with what? Shadowmourne? Profession information wasn't availible even to alpha players, so once the idea of the whole "re-fresh" of gear was 100% true even at level 81 it made them pointless. Why continue with a goal that means nothing in the end when i can put that time into this which in the long run does much much more for me.

[drevil]

several problems:

on paper it always looks better ;-)
ah sales are limited, especially things over 100g+
there are hundreds other JCs on your server :-)
doing this every day sounds very painful.

[zenga]

I say screw all profs and just do dailies,heroics or BGs, and or any combo of the three. Professions are boring!

While it's not necessarily true for everyone, one can argue that doing the same dailies and same heroics over and over is kinda boring as well. Friday night i bought mats worth 20k (cross faction), shipped them to my respective crafters, did the crafts, some listed on AH, some had to be shipped back to other faction. Periodically checked them over the weekend including relist. In the end it took me about 2,5 hours over a 3 day course. Made a 27k profit in total. Which makes it way less boring than grinding for me.

On a final note: while sodo's *extreme* approach does not fit me, he kinda achieved what he said he would do months ago. And his gold manual contained a couple of tips that were really worth it for me. I'd never really think about multiple JC's. But the idea that you can do more cuts faster made me decide to go for at least 4.

[jinkobi]

You guys always seem to be a bit hard on Shado. He takes his WOW seriously and I enjoy his posts personally. Shad plays WOW much different than I but he's playing the way he enjoys which is more important than anything.

As slow as these forums are I don't see the problem. People like Shad are what keep forums going by frequent posts and keeping the conversation moving. He made that nice gold guide for all of us here detailing how he made money. I'm sure that took a lot of time and effort.

[Drizhal]

While his posts ARE entertaining, he reminds me of the young kid that just was allowed to raid.

His posts are full of a flamboyant bragging that is kind of strange. He has taken "hardcore" and made it into "obsession"....

Funding a guild of friends? Either that means you're their whipping boy, or you are begging to be burnt out and fast...

If you can get it done props to you....But the above poster is right above the blog thing is borderline reality now..

But good job on thinking it all out.


Good luck

[jinkobi]

While his posts ARE entertaining, he reminds me of the young kid that just was allowed to raid.

His posts are full of a flamboyant bragging that is kind of strange. He has taken "hardcore" and made it into "obsession"....

Funding a guild of friends? Either that means you're their whipping boy, or you are begging to be burnt out and fast...

If you can get it done props to you....But the above poster is right above the blog thing is borderline reality now..

But good job on thinking it all out.


Good luck

I hear ya. This idea is a bit bizarre but I've seen stranger things. Cause quite frankly any fame or infamy in WOW is meaningless unless you're a top PVP'er or a Leeroy Jenkins. Or someone like Nyhm who've capitalized on their WOW fame and made real $$ off of it.

Just saying no reason to tear the guy a new one every thread he makes, lol.

A blog wouldn't be a bad idea for you Shado imho. That way you could have all your ideas consolidated in one place and have total control. Something to call your own like Samdeathwalker's website. Just an idea.

[Shodokan]

I hear ya. This idea is a bit bizarre but I've seen stranger things. Cause quite frankly any fame or infamy in WOW is meaningless unless you're a top PVP'er or a Leeroy Jenkins. Or someone like Nyhm who've capitalized on their WOW fame and made real $$ off of it.

Just saying no reason to tear the guy a new one every thread he makes, lol.

A blog wouldn't be a bad idea for you Shado imho. That way you could have all your ideas consolidated in one place and have total control. Something to call your own like Samdeathwalker's website. Just an idea.

Blogs are a waste of time, especially if you get no readers.

I'm not bragging, and if you think I am then you really need to re-think things. It's to inform people of the capabilities of this type of setup as well as how i'm achieving it.

[Kicksome]

I was totally skeptical when I saw the first post by Shodokan many many months ago. I figure he'd fade out or get distracted. But I have to say I'm pretty damn impressed. If nothing else, the guy made 400k and posted pics of most of that money in a lump sum. He's also posted many techniques that he used to make the money.

I find his posts pretty interesting reading. And at this point, he's actually accomplished quite a bit in a short amount of time. It's pretty impressive - to me at least.

[Drizhal]

Blogs are a waste of time, especially if you get no readers.

I'm not bragging, and if you think I am then you really need to re-think things. It's to inform people of the capabilities of this type of setup as well as how i'm achieving it.
This makes me sad that I editted the doucheness out of my post.

You ARE blogging...simple as that

And you are bragging in a way children brag, very simple, and you also lash out at people who observe this. Congratulations...

But we will all read your posts here...the reason? Well the same reason people watch bad reality tv...

"Inform" and "Brag" in the way you use them, are basically the same.


Edit.

Clicked at the same time as the guy above...


Yes his posts are interesting, it's the attitude that they convey and the "holier then thou" stance he takes. As well as the sudden lashing out that happens when other people state their opinions on HIS opinions.
Yes, great he is completely devoted to WOW, I applaud your efforts. But it simply ends there.

[Shodokan]

This makes me sad that I editted the doucheness out of my post.

You ARE blogging...simple as that

And you are bragging in a way children brag, very simple, and you also lash out at people who observe this. Congratulations...

But we will all read your posts here...the reason? Well the same reason people watch bad reality tv...

"Inform" and "Brag" in the way you use them, are basically the same.


Edit.

Clicked at the same time as the guy above...


Yes his posts are interesting, it's the attitude that they convey and the "holier then thou" stance he takes. As well as the sudden lashing out that happens when other people state their opinions on HIS opinions.
Yes, great he is completely devoted to WOW, I applaud your efforts. But it simply ends there.

Text is taken however you want to read it. If you are going to tell me how i am and how things are meant then please take your hate elsewhere. If it weren't for people like me, uaala and a few others who post a lot a lot of members would have nothing to read, half this forum are lurkers which it looks like you yourself are from your post count. You're seemingly no different than sajuuk when i first came around here minus the fact that you admit i have accomplished things and that your "respect" so to speak ends there.

This is for discussion, not a flame war. Please stop with the hostility.

[Tonuss]

That's an interesting approach. And if it's as profitable as you calculate, it won't matter if you don't have any other professions, you'll be able to purchase what you need. If Blizzard goes through with their plan to allow some level of gear progression via tradeskills, then it's a nice way to keep characters (including alts) geared up for PVP or PVE.

[Drizhal]

Text is taken however you want to read it. If you are going to tell me how i am and how things are meant then please take your hate elsewhere. If it weren't for people like me, uaala and a few others who post a lot a lot of members would have nothing to read, half this forum are lurkers which it looks like you yourself are from your post count. You're seemingly no different than sajuuk when i first came around here minus the fact that you admit i have accomplished things and that your "respect" so to speak ends there.

This is for discussion, not a flame war. Please stop with the hostility.
First of all, I really could care less what you want to do or feel, I was commenting on your "idea" as I have stated I feel it is bad,

Lack of diversity will eventually bottom out your market, not to mention massive amounts of burn out. Simply by the amount of mats you will have to upkeep over the long haul.
Even with diversity the mats are killer on 40 toons of constant transmute/crafting. 5 is bad enough

As to your wanting to support a guild I stick by my whipping boy comment even more after reading what you've typed.

And yes you can get feeling/thought from a wall of text, if you don't believe me please crack open a book and see if you understand more then.

As to your comment about Uaala etc, yes they do contribute massively to a forum, however it is not about consistant "I WANNA DO DIS DOODS:" or "READZ MOAR BLOGGING OF MINES"
Yes goals are nice, but if you want to blog, blog don't say you aren't but consistently do it.

And by the way I still stand by what I said in the LAST thread of this you posted that was considerably shorter.

I still think Tailoring will be viable to include since there is a massive amount of prof slots available.

But again despite your requests for Discussion, you want "OH WOWS" and "ya dude that's cool" Not criticism on your posts.

+1 Internet for you on the amount of posts you have, makes you cool.

[Shodokan]

First of all, I really could care less what you want to do or feel, I was commenting on your "idea" as I have stated I feel it is bad,

Lack of diversity will eventually bottom out your market, not to mention massive amounts of burn out. Simply by the amount of mats you will have to upkeep over the long haul.
Even with diversity the mats are killer on 40 toons of constant transmute/crafting. 5 is bad enough

As to your wanting to support a guild I stick by my whipping boy comment even more after reading what you've typed.

And yes you can get feeling/thought from a wall of text, if you don't believe me please crack open a book and see if you understand more then.

As to your comment about Uaala etc, yes they do contribute massively to a forum, however it is not about consistant "I WANNA DO DIS DOODS:" or "READZ MOAR BLOGGING OF MINES"
Yes goals are nice, but if you want to blog, blog don't say you aren't but consistently do it.

And by the way I still stand by what I said in the LAST thread of this you posted that was considerably shorter.

I still think Tailoring will be viable to include since there is a massive amount of prof slots available.

But again despite your requests for Discussion, you want "OH WOWS" and "ya dude that's cool" Not criticism on your posts.

+1 Internet for you on the amount of posts you have, makes you cool.

When the criticism has nothing to do with the actual plan or professions of it and more about the type of person i am or my amount of "blog like" posts, no i don't want that bullshit. I could care less if you or anyone else thinks I'm looking for attention or looking for "omg you're so cool." Everyone here is a nerd, being the coolest nerd is like the special olympics; even if you win you are still retarded. Keep up the trolling :)

As far as the materials... i play on the single most populated horde server in the world with five guilds who require you to be chinese to be in them, we have tons and tons of farmers... there is NEVER a lack of supply.

[daviddoran]

This BB has an ignore feature. If you don't care to read Shodokan's posts, you don't have to.

[MiRai]

BRB Transferring To Illidan! Free Cataclysm stuff for me! :)

[Fat Tire]

This BB has an ignore feature. If you don't care to read Shodokan's posts, you don't have to.

Yet, if you do ignore the ignorant fool, you get lost on what is going on in virtually every thread.

While I was in the same boat when shodokan first arrived. I enjoy some of the gold making stuff he has posted as I myself have implemented a couple of his suggestions and it has worked well.

[Toned]

Awaits the nm.... or burned out post /stopwatch

[Sam DeathWalker]

I understand the alch but I don't see the JC.

Icy Prism?

Thats a joke you get almost nothing from it from what I see. You get a sure gem from a tansmute you get most junk from the icy prism. Also it dosnt benifit from specilization like transmutes or tailor does.

Tailor in cata if there are cloth cool downs seems a lot better to me, if gold is yur goal.

I have one JC and all the profit he makes is from cutting jems. You have to buy a LOT of ore just to get him his recipies if you dont do dailies.

Im going Alch on all then some tailors (least one of each specilzation, probably more), a few that make the titansteel bars, and one of each other. Who ever left going Enginering for PvP / PvE.

Im up to like 140K (and I started with zero and have only 9 alch right now) and will make more now that I got most of the JC recipies out of the way. Thats mainly by selling gems and the high end armors, all types.

[Owltoid]

Shocko, I'm here to offer my support. I enjoy your posts and your goals. I also think you add useful information to this forum and liked this thread before all the hate entered. While some other posters (used to) discuss being the best WoW player without really knowing anything about the game, you're taking the approach of difficult goals with a solid understanding of mechanics. I do wish your goals didn't change quite so often, but I attribute that to Cata coming. Like veryone else, as more information is available or changes made, our goals are shifting.

Good luck with the funding of a raid group and please keep posting for my, and others, entertainment. Those who don't want to read your post can go read the forums about setting up RAF or why Keyclone is broken.

[Shodokan]

I understand the alch but I don't see the JC.

Icy Prism?

Thats a joke you get almost nothing from it from what I see. You get a sure gem from a tansmute you get most junk from the icy prism. Also it dosnt benifit from specilization like transmutes or tailor does.

Tailor in cata if there are cloth cool downs seems a lot better to me, if gold is yur goal.

I have one JC and all the profit he makes is from cutting jems. You have to buy a LOT of ore just to get him his recipies if you dont do dailies.

Im going Alch on all then some tailors (least one of each specilzation, probably more), a few that make the titansteel bars, and one of each other. Who ever left going Enginering for PvP / PvE.

Im up to like 140K (and I started with zero and have only 9 alch right now) and will make more now that I got most of the JC recipies out of the way. Thats mainly by selling gems and the high end armors, all types.

Tailoring has no "specialty" in cataclysm, meaning you get 6 maximum per toon. Also they must be made in specific areas of the game that unless you are level 78 you cannot get to safely and would be quite a hassle to summon all of them there.

I'd bet that cloth would be worth around the same (200g) per, maybe less so now that it is a single type that every tailor can make 6 of (thus mastery gone). The math for this is as follows

Stack of cloth = ~ 15g or more
Each 10 motes = 15 gold or more likely other than earth

So you are looking at... 30 * 6 * 40 = 7200 motes alone which is ~ 10k gold
Then you have cloth which for all the bolts necessary. It requires 2 stacks of cloth per toon per cloth
40 * 30 * 6 = 7200g

Total cost is about 14kg
Total profit: 200 * 40 * 6 = 48000 48k-14k = 34k

I fail to see how after costs a profit of 34k, and after costs a profit of 80+k is better. Not to mention to supply as many toons as i am with "dropable" items will be far more a pain in the ass then paying people to farm ore for me.

Also keep note that even the brilliant glass model yields over 30k gold more, which is nearly double the gold that tailoring makes. Also keep in mind that flipping ore alone will yield a profit of over 100k.

I will not have 1 JC toon, i will have at least 15 to 20 at 78 ready to do the JC dailys. That means on day 1 I get 20 cuts(if it is like wrath). So this also means if it is like wrath within 10 days i will have EVERY cut in the game. (55 non meta)

I also do have 6 toons that will not be this, one is bs/jc, one is lw/jc, one is tailoring/inscription... i have all my bases covered.

[kate]

I don't get the venom that's coming out here - people who don't want to read his posts don't have to - and regardless of what comes of it, I've found some of the speculation about ways to do things pretty interesting. A lot of times I'll see things people are speculating about on these boards and kind of try my own twist on it - better that than, as someone else said, yet another post about "hai me am noob how am get raf work?"

I'm not the Kate from the list mentioned in the OP, but I probably will be getting some professions lined up to make a bit of gold on day 1.

[BrothelMeister]

If you don't want to read someone's post, don't click on it in the first place. The point I see in this forum is to share idea's, if you don't want to see his ideas, don't go into his thread and post garbage about how you don't like him.

Back to the thread?

Looks pretty interesting man, keep us posted!!!

[Drommon]

Keep posting Shodokan. I find your ideas intuitive and entertaining. Ignore the hate, it comes from jealousy.

[crowdx]

So the "no specialty" is changing to tailors being able to produce 6 types of cloth each day? And no multiples getting created when the tailor crafts a single item?
Will alchemy still have a specializtion?

[Shodokan]

So the "no specialty" is changing to tailors being able to produce 6 types of cloth each day? And no multiples getting created when the tailor crafts a single item?
Will alchemy still have a specializtion?

No, tailors get 6 PER WEEK.
Alchemy still has specializations SO FAR.

[crowdx]

so not even a piece of cloth per day? Well that is surely going to drive the price of cloth back up again? Was it not a 3 day cooldown before they removed it for the last special cloths?

[Sam DeathWalker]

I will not have 1 JC toon, i will have at least 15 to 20 at 78 ready to do the JC dailys. That means on day 1 I get 20 cuts(if it is like wrath). So this also means if it is like wrath within 10 days i will have EVERY cut in the game. (55 non meta)


Well that is going to be very profitable off the bat untill others also have all the cuts, you will make a lot when you have limited competition. Well maybe Ill make like 5 JC so I have a group to do the dailies. I spent so so so much on titanium ore to get all my cuts ....

[Firstcow]

Shodo, just out of curiosity, why the need for so much gold? :)

Also, keep in mind that if you start sponsoring other people with gold/etc, the moment you stop, they will be gone. Helping out now and then is healthy to build relationships, but almost complete support is unhealthy. They will become like spoiled kids who throw a tantrum the moment the candy stops coming to them.

Besides, that will not make you famous/infamous or gain you respect, respect is gained when you don't give a shit about what other people think about you (i.e. another word for that is self-confidence), and you continue to do your own thing and you are happy and people see that you are happy the way you are without asking for approval for your actions.

I'm not trying to discourage you from your plan, just be careful what expectations you have from people when you start supplying them with unlimited amounts of gold.

There's a book called Selfish Gene that describes so well what we humans are really made of. Nobody really gives a shit about nobody else but self. So don't expect to receive back what you give. You will get some back but it will always feel like you give more than you receive. That's why some say the best mindset is to consider the giving act to be the reward itself, seeing how your act of giving makes other people happy or whatever.

[Shodokan]

Shodo, just out of curiosity, why the need for so much gold? :)

Also, keep in mind that if you start sponsoring other people with gold/etc, the moment you stop, they will be gone. Helping out now and then is healthy to build relationships, but almost complete support is unhealthy. They will become like spoiled kids who throw a tantrum the moment the candy stops coming to them.

Besides, that will not make you famous/infamous or gain you respect, respect is gained when you don't give a shit about what other people think about you (i.e. another word for that is self-confidence), and you continue to do your own thing and you are happy and people see that you are happy the way you are without asking for approval for your actions.

I'm not trying to discourage you from your plan, just be careful what expectations you have from people when you start supplying them with unlimited amounts of gold.

There's a book called Selfish Gene that describes so well what we humans are really made of. Nobody really gives a shit about nobody else but self. So don't expect to receive back what you give. You will get some back but it will always feel like you give more than you receive. That's why some say the best mindset is to consider the giving act to be the reward itself, seeing how your act of giving makes other people happy or whatever.

They are mostly all friends either IRL or i've known in game for >1 year. They have all helped me quite a bit. Everyone is narcissistic in some way i'm aware but they all know the limitations to the system i'm putting in place. Unlimited = no. Everyone will have a cap of what i will give them per month which carries over with helping a maximum of one main + 1 alt.

As to why i need so much gold? I really don't...it's just part of the game i enjoy... being rich.

[thefunk]

personally I'm not that into Sodokan's posts, mainly due to the fact a) I don't have the time to do what he does, and by extension b) it sounds like he's showing off. Also a lot of his posts are or sound like he is theorycrafting and I personally prefer someone telling us what they have done, not what they plan on doing in the future. Otherwise I could easily do the same, with no-one much the wiser.

HOWEVER

With someone THAT committed to WOW I think he does bring some good ideas to the forums and therefore shouldn't necessarily be criticised for number of posts or sumsuch. Bad analogy but a bit like having Maradona on your team, who can achieve great things but can be very frustrating as well.

Good luck mate, I'd personally would like to hear more of your operational workings rather than gold making goals (like macros, etc...)

[Shodokan]

personally I'm not that into Sodokan's posts, mainly due to the fact a) I don't have the time to do what he does, and by extension b) it sounds like he's showing off. Also a lot of his posts are or sound like he is theorycrafting and I personally prefer someone telling us what they have done, not what they plan on doing in the future. Otherwise I could easily do the same, with no-one much the wiser.

HOWEVER

With someone THAT committed to WOW I think he does bring some good ideas to the forums and therefore shouldn't necessarily be criticised for number of posts or sumsuch. Bad analogy but a bit like having Maradona on your team, who can achieve great things but can be very frustrating as well.

Good luck mate, I'd personally would like to hear more of your operational workings rather than gold making goals (like macros, etc...)

all my math and ideas i posted previously were proven factual.

[Oathbreaker]

Deviant has been nice enough to host on his home server a database for all materials needed along with a user interface for showing where items are in what guild bank (we are using 4 of them) and I'd like to give him a special shout out because of all of his hard work on that.


I'm curious about this. Tell me more, please.

[Shodokan]

I'm curious about this. Tell me more, please.

It's just that... a database saying what we have and what we need.

[zenga]

he probably wants to find out if it gets its data automagically from the game (i.e. a guild bank export that gets picked up by a Db script) or that you have to put in your stuff by hand.

[Shodokan]

he probably wants to find out if it gets its data automagically from the game (i.e. a guild bank export that gets picked up by a Db script) or that you have to put in your stuff by hand.

No... that would be impossible to get data from without an addon to export it. It's just a php script that users input what they've gotten and where it is.

[Oathbreaker]

No... that would be impossible to get data from without an addon to export it. It's just a php script that users input what they've gotten and where it is.


mkay, that's cool.

[Shodokan]

about 80% done gathering materials for leveling the jc's

[Iceorbz]

First of all, I really could care less what you want to do or feel, I was commenting on your "idea" as I have stated I feel it is bad,

Lack of diversity will eventually bottom out your market, not to mention massive amounts of burn out. Simply by the amount of mats you will have to upkeep over the long haul.
Even with diversity the mats are killer on 40 toons of constant transmute/crafting. 5 is bad enough

As to your wanting to support a guild I stick by my whipping boy comment even more after reading what you've typed.

And yes you can get feeling/thought from a wall of text, if you don't believe me please crack open a book and see if you understand more then.

As to your comment about Uaala etc, yes they do contribute massively to a forum, however it is not about consistant "I WANNA DO DIS DOODS:" or "READZ MOAR BLOGGING OF MINES"
Yes goals are nice, but if you want to blog, blog don't say you aren't but consistently do it.

And by the way I still stand by what I said in the LAST thread of this you posted that was considerably shorter.

I still think Tailoring will be viable to include since there is a massive amount of prof slots available.

But again despite your requests for Discussion, you want "OH WOWS" and "ya dude that's cool" Not criticism on your posts.

+1 Internet for you on the amount of posts you have, makes you cool.


Your lame dude... really, just shut up already. His post has lots of little tidbits of information, and while I am very skeptical of the statistics and economic data, there is good info inside. Stop slamming him, if you got nothing to contribute, don't; if you do have something then contribute. There is no reason to flame and cry like a friggen five year old here.

[Fat Tire]

about 80% done gathering materials for leveling the jc's

Engineering are getting gems also.



Fractured Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59480/fractured-cogwheel/) - +132 Mastery Rating
Quick Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59479/quick-cogwheel/) - +132 Haste Rating
Smooth Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59478/smooth-cogwheel/) - +132 Critical Strike Rating
Subtle Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59477/subtle-cogwheel/) - +132 Dodge Rating



Flashing Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59491/flashing-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Parry Rating
Precise Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59489/precise-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Expertise Rating
Rigid Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59493/rigid-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Hit Rating
Sparkling Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59496/sparkling-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Spirit

[Littleburst]

Engineering are getting gems also.



Fractured Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59480/fractured-cogwheel/) - +132 Mastery Rating
Quick Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59479/quick-cogwheel/) - +132 Haste Rating
Smooth Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59478/smooth-cogwheel/) - +132 Critical Strike Rating
Subtle Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59477/subtle-cogwheel/) - +132 Dodge Rating



Flashing Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59491/flashing-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Parry Rating
Precise Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59489/precise-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Expertise Rating
Rigid Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59493/rigid-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Hit Rating
Sparkling Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59496/sparkling-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Spirit



Hm, that's interesting. I wonder how that's gonna work exactly.

[Shodokan]

Engineering are getting gems also.



Fractured Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59480/fractured-cogwheel/) - +132 Mastery Rating
Quick Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59479/quick-cogwheel/) - +132 Haste Rating
Smooth Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59478/smooth-cogwheel/) - +132 Critical Strike Rating
Subtle Cogwheel (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59477/subtle-cogwheel/) - +132 Dodge Rating



Flashing Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59491/flashing-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Parry Rating
Precise Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59489/precise-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Expertise Rating
Rigid Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59493/rigid-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Hit Rating
Sparkling Hydraulic Pump (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59496/sparkling-hydraulic-pump/) - +132 Spirit



Those are engineering only, and will be a single added socket like BS probably to boots or something. Not usable by all classes.

[Multibocks]

It's for the engineering only goggles

[Fat Tire]

Cool, less gems I have to buy. lol

[Shodokan]

Only need the shadowgems now

[Shodokan]

All done with materials. Now time to level it :) so for cata i will have

30x jc/alchemy
enchanter/blacksmith
leatherworker/alchemy
tailoring/alchemy
herbalist/miner (same toon)
inscription/alchemy

[Multibocks]

Crazy

[alcattle]

Just thinking, I made the most money at the start of LK selling herbs, needed for two professions.

[zenga]

Just thinking, I made the most money at the start of LK selling herbs, needed for two professions.

That 'd be very time consuming if you ask me. I personally don't find gathering professions fun. Yet alone there seems to be a lot of professional farmers competition, on my realm at least. Though what's fun for me can be not fun for you. The only times I enjoy gathering profs is the day after a wild night in the bar, when my hangover is slowly fading away. Nothing as relaxing as cruise a bit through the world and jump off your horse to pick a flower.

[daviddoran]

Depends on the server. If there are a lot of farmers, then crafting can be higher profits, due to cheaper materials to be had. If there are few farmers, you might HAVE to farm yourself if you want to be able to make certain things.

[Shodokan]

Depends on the server. If there are a lot of farmers, then crafting can be higher profits, due to cheaper materials to be had. If there are few farmers, you might HAVE to farm yourself if you want to be able to make certain things.

I have a bunch of people who are going to be farming for me the first week of cata. So it's no biggie.

[alcattle]

That 'd be very time consuming if you ask me. I personally don't find gathering professions fun. Yet alone there seems to be a lot of professional farmers competition, on my realm at least. Though what's fun for me can be not fun for you. The only times I enjoy gathering profs is the day after a wild night in the bar, when my hangover is slowly fading away. Nothing as relaxing as cruise a bit through the world and jump off your horse to pick a flower.
Buy low now, sell high later :)

[Shodokan]

Buy low now, sell high later :)

With the profession manuals(2 points per 1) and flying in old world mats won't cost much.

[doommachine]

when i first read this a few months ago i immediately wanted to make 30 or 40 JCs. But after several times of reading it over, i just dont know where the profit is if you remove the assumption that all your green and blue quality gems will sell. Especialy if we jump ahead 6 or 8 months into Cata, which will be the earliest time id have enough gold to level that many JCs. Can someone please explain this to me? Is the real profit from it the chimeras eyes plus using the extras to feed your epic gem transmutes? Or would the green/blue quality gems realy ALL sell every week, thus pushing the profit margins at least close to what Shodokan is predicting here?

[Vecter]

Old thread is old..if you want to start up the convo again start a new thread and reference. Closed.