Hight Five: 2000 DK+4 Rets

[Firstcow]

It's not updated yet, still shows me at 1990 but tomorrow should be.

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Blackrock&ts=5&t=pal%C3%A9%C3%A9&select=pal%C3%A9%C3%A9

And the best thing is I'm not even using Cleanse anymore, just pure burst it down quick.

If paladins get all those healing goodies in cata this team will be even stronger.

[Zub]

grats!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Congrats! No small achievement, that.

[Littleburst]

Congratulations!

[Toned]

That's pretty sick wtb videos!

[BrothelMeister]

GRATS!

I really am curious what it is about the AP trinket you prefer over the resil one (escape trinket)

[Firstcow]

GRATS!

I really am curious what it is about the AP trinket you prefer over the resil one (escape trinket)

I need all the burst I can get while still having an escape trinket.

[Firstcow]

That's pretty sick wtb videos!

I have no clue how to make one and I don't think my comp would handle 5 wows and video recording at the same time without making me lag. It's a 3 years old comp...

[BrothelMeister]

You could try it out in a WSG or something, takes about as much computer power as an arena match.

Not sure what to do to record either.

[Shabu42]

Damn nice

[emps]

It's not updated yet, still shows me at 1990 but tomorrow should be.

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Blackrock&ts=5&t=pal%C3%A9%C3%A9&select=pal%C3%A9%C3%A9

And the best thing is I'm not even using Cleanse anymore, just pure burst it down quick.

If paladins get all those healing goodies in cata this team will be even stronger.


Grats! Is this right about your DK's activity???

11278 Forgemaster Garfrost kills (Pit of Saron). Yesterday - 11:57:00 PM

[Firstcow]

Grats! Is this right about your DK's activity???

11278 Forgemaster Garfrost kills (Pit of Saron). Yesterday - 11:57:00 PM

Yes, I started farming PoS from like Sept last year or something and I do about 50 kills every day. It's the most efficient and braindead mechanism to make gold and watch TV at the same time.

[emps]

there should be an achievement for that.. scratch that.. that should be a feat of strength!!! when did you last see your shrink? :D

[Shodokan]

Yes, I started farming PoS from like Sept last year or something and I do about 50 kills every day. It's the most efficient and braindead mechanism to make gold and watch TV at the same time.

december last year *

[Firstcow]

there should be an achievement for that.. scratch that.. that should be a feat of strength!!! when did you last see your shrink? :D

Well, try to see if you need "strength" when you can smash a few buttons periodically and watch TV at the same time. I just need to stretch my wrist from time to time, but it's very easy. It doesn't feel like a chore like daily heroics where you actually have to pay attention to not die.

[BrothelMeister]

whats the gold count per run?

EDIT: checking achieves, you're not even looting all the mobs (not that I do either lol) so what is it that you get from doing this? Just the loot from the boss and the badge?

[Firstcow]

whats the gold count per run?

EDIT: checking achieves, you're not even looting all the mobs (not that I do either lol) so what is it that you get from doing this? Just the loot from the boss and the badge?

Yep. And 4 stone keeper shards because on Blackrock horde has WG all the time.
I did the math once and i think it's about 1k gold / hour.

[Shodokan]

with DE he's made about 800k gold from his kills.

[BrothelMeister]

what are you spending the badges and shards on to get gold? And whats the time per run lol?

[Acidburning]

what are you spending the badges and shards on to get gold? And whats the time per run lol?

I would imagine honor then buying gems to sell/ cut

[BrothelMeister]

I farm BGs with 4 toons (rough calculation average ~30K+ honor an hour), selling for 100g uncut, thats pretty meager compared to your method :/

Guess I'm getting prepped for cata tho :p

[emps]

Well, try to see if you need "strength" when you can smash a few buttons periodically and watch TV at the same time. I just need to stretch my wrist from time to time, but it's very easy. It doesn't feel like a chore like daily heroics where you actually have to pay attention to not die.


i stated "strength" within the context of blizzard - as owning some items, pets, and mounts are also considered feats of strength even if they didn't require massive amounts of time and/or effort to acquire. still 11000+ kills is astonishingly awesome. w/ profit it's even better.

[Firstcow]

what are you spending the badges and shards on to get gold? And whats the time per run lol?

A run takes about 3 mins if you don't rush it, and 2 mins is my record (or something like 1 min 50 seconds).
But when I watch TV i do about 4 mins per run and I go several hours.
So the gold/hour ranges from like 700g/hour to like 1500g/hour. But I don't care to maximize profit. I'm having fun watching a movie and making gold in wow. Doing anything else would feel like a chore, which I used to do for a while, like running heroics.

[barney]

nice job

[BrothelMeister]

2 minutes? OMG

Thats sick. I could have full BOA gear for all possible teams in a few hours...

[BrothelMeister]

Any chance you could tell us your route for running to the boss, and where you stop to kill mobs? I always run by the route near the 2 drake riders, and it takes a few seconds to try and avoid them...

I could so get a tank to farm this with my shamans for badges :-)

[outdrsyguy1]

Firstcow, do you arena with your dk as the blood or unholy spec? I'm having trouble with my DK spec and he does terrible damage but it's somewhat similar to your blood spec. Do you find bloodworms very helpful?
what spell rotation do you use on your dk?
and grats by the way :)

[Firstcow]

Firstcow, do you arena with your dk as the blood or unholy spec? I'm having trouble with my DK spec and he does terrible damage but it's somewhat similar to your blood spec. Do you find bloodworms very helpful?
what spell rotation do you use on your dk?
and grats by the way :)

The only thing that matters for the DK is Abomination's Might, Imp Icy Talons, and Imp Rune Tap. Everything else get whatever you want. And no, the DK is not there for DPS, DKs dps sucks unless you have like a lot of arpen like warriors. And you need to be unholy or something.
Not sure about the bloodworms but I do get focused a lot in arena so basically the DK's role is to be a tank and to control with chains and deathgrip and silence.

[Firstcow]

Any chance you could tell us your route for running to the boss, and where you stop to kill mobs? I always run by the route near the 2 drake riders, and it takes a few seconds to try and avoid them...

I could so get a tank to farm this with my shamans for badges :-)

I enter the instance already mounted up. I take a far right to avoid the first spell caster. Then avoid another spellcaster by dropping down from a rock near the water, then do a weird circle and I stop to kill the first dragon rider. Then just follow left edge to avoid the second rider, but it only works when he's close to boss so you have to wait a little bit.
But this method takes about 2.5 mins.
If you want to be hardcore and get under 2 mins, you pull the first rider all the way to the boss with you, you never dismount except when you reach boss and then you kill boss and rider at the same time.
This method is about 1min 40 seconds. But you need to be uber geared to pull it off.

[barney]

how do you manage massfears without totems ? nearly every 5on5 team runs 2 or more fear classes.

[Firstcow]

how do you manage massfears without totems ? nearly every 5on5 team runs 2 or more fear classes.

I trinket the first one and then pray.

[BrothelMeister]

Wouldn't the 264 trinket from Frost Badges be better than the Darkmoon card? The haste and AP would still scale with the DK's buff.

[ghonosyph]

Darkmoone card death is extremely strong in arena as the silly amount of burst it procs can often mean the death of a target, steady attacks won't really often happen in arena and as such the 264 trinket will be pretty bad based on the fact that more often then not you're going to not have a fully stacked buff

[BrothelMeister]

Well with that being the case, the 245 badge trinket with: equip: 128 hit, use: 1024 AP

seems like a real winner.

more bursty, and it means u get to stack crit on your back and neck instead of hit.

Also, since judging from your match reports, the DK puts out only half the damage of the rets, why do you even gem strength on him instead of strength+stam or straight stam? By changing reds to purples, and a few of your enchants around, you could get over 2400 more hp on him, (with kings up)

[remanz]

Well with that being the case, the 245 badge trinket with: equip: 128 hit, use: 1024 AP

seems like a real winner.

more bursty, and it means u get to stack crit on your back and neck instead of hit.

Nah~ 1024 AP x 20 seconds vs 1750-2250 Shadow Damage. 20 second is a long long time. You would always want to take the frontal burst. Plus shadow damage doesn't get migrated by armor.

If you got cash, Darkmoon is the way to go. Otherwise, Mark_of_Supremacy is the 2nd choice.

[Firstcow]

Well with that being the case, the 245 badge trinket with: equip: 128 hit, use: 1024 AP

seems like a real winner.

more bursty, and it means u get to stack crit on your back and neck instead of hit.

Also, since judging from your match reports, the DK puts out only half the damage of the rets, why do you even gem strength on him instead of strength+stam or straight stam? By changing reds to purples, and a few of your enchants around, you could get over 2400 more hp on him, (with kings up)

Which is what I just did last night. I changed all the str+res gems on the DK to res+sta gems because really the DK is not there for DPS and he needs to survive at all cost.

As far as the darkmoon card: greatness this one procs for 15 seconds and then for the next 30 seconds is on CD. Then another 15 seconds it procs again and so on. The trinket with 1024 AP procs only once every 2 mins for 20 seconds and a match doesn't last that long usually. So the trinket gives me one opportunity to use it a match, the darkmoon card has 2-3 chances to proc a match because a match lasts more than 45 seconds but less than 2 mins.

It's true that the difference is quite big from 600 AP to 1024 AP.

If I could guarantee a kill by procing wings and the 1024 Ap trinket then this would work.

Good idea, I'm going to give it a try. Keep the ideas coming my way :)

Thanks!

[Firstcow]

Nah~ 1024 AP x 20 seconds vs 1750-2250 Shadow Damage. 20 second is a long long time. You would always want to take the frontal burst. Plus shadow damage doesn't get migrated by armor.

If you got cash, Darkmoon is the way to go. Otherwise, Mark_of_Supremacy is the 2nd choice.

I'm not using darkmoon death, i'm using darkmoon greatness. 15 seconds of 300 more str is way bigger than one hit that does 2k*4=8k dmg. That one hit is wasted if it goes on a target that is protected in any way from dmg.
Given this reasoning, the 1024 AP trinket is even better than the darkmoon greatness, but the only issue I have with it is the long 2 min cooldown, versus 45 sec cooldown on the greatness card.

[remanz]

How is 1024 AP x 20 second (let'say 10 hits, counting special attacks) better than 2k dmg 1 hit ? This 1 hit gets migrated, but those hits don't ? If anything, you be lucky to land those hits within that period.

Worry about dmg getting migrated (absorbed) for the darkmoon death case where landing 10 hits are certainly tougher. (you get feared, slowed, CCed)

roughly, 14AP = 1 DPS , so (1024 / 14) x 3.6 (weapon speed) = 264 per hit

now let's say you hit him 10 times, it is merely 264 x 10 = 2640 dmg added.

The number of hit times might be off , but 264 per hit is really not that attractive.



If anything, http://www.wowhead.com/item=40371#dropped-by is better

[Firstcow]

How is 1024 AP x 20 second (let'say 10 hits, counting special attacks) better than 2k dmg 1 hit ? This 1 hit gets migrated, but those hits don't ? If anything, you be lucky to land those hits within that period.

Worry about dmg getting migrated (absorbed) for the darkmoon death case where landing 10 hits are certainly tougher. (you get feared, slowed, CCed)

roughly, 14AP = 1 DPS , so (1024 / 14) x 3.6 (weapon speed) = 264 per hit

now let's say you hit him 10 times, it is merely 264 x 10 = 2640 dmg added.

The number of hit times might be off , but 264 per hit is really not that attractive.



If anything, http://www.wowhead.com/item=40371#dropped-by is better

That one time 2k hit is only better if it lands and I also get a kill at that time. If I miss the kill it's wasted, but during the 15 seconds of extra dmg from darkmoon card I can have the opportunity to land a different kill which is what usually happens in most of my arena games. I rarely land a kill by one shotting on the first charge.

In theory you are right, in practice it doesn't work. Imagine mage iceblocking, hunter deterence, pally bubble, priest pain supp, etc During those no matter what you hit them with they dont die. But once those effects are gone, they will probably die in the rest of seconds while the proc from darkmoon is still up, or at least there is a chance.

[Firstcow]

Well with that being the case, the 245 badge trinket with: equip: 128 hit, use: 1024 AP

seems like a real winner.

more bursty, and it means u get to stack crit on your back and neck instead of hit.

Also, since judging from your match reports, the DK puts out only half the damage of the rets, why do you even gem strength on him instead of strength+stam or straight stam? By changing reds to purples, and a few of your enchants around, you could get over 2400 more hp on him, (with kings up)

I did testing and the 245 badge trinket is only slightly better than the darkmoon card greatness so i'm going back to greatness.

[remanz]

That one time 2k hit is only better if it lands and I also get a kill at that time. If I miss the kill it's wasted, but during the 15 seconds of extra dmg from darkmoon card I can have the opportunity to land a different kill which is what usually happens in most of my arena games. I rarely land a kill by one shotting on the first charge.

In theory you are right, in practice it doesn't work. Imagine mage iceblocking, hunter deterence, pally bubble, priest pain supp, etc During those no matter what you hit them with they dont die. But once those effects are gone, they will probably die in the rest of seconds while the proc from darkmoon is still up, or at least there is a chance.

hm, i guess you had your point. I was gonna burn some cash for darkmoon. Played some more matches since I got back from the break. Killing become harder than ever (the 32k priest just won't go down). I guess probably not gonna see things improve until I've gotten the wrathful leggings and chest.

I tried to use Battlemaster trinkets. It didn't work out too well. So probably gonna stay with Mark of Supremecy for now

[BrothelMeister]

If the 245 trink is slightly better, ima go for it then :-) I dont want to spend 15-20k on trinkets.

You could still change the AP enchants on your boots, bracers, head and shoulders to stamina ones as well.

[Firstcow]

If the 245 trink is slightly better, ima go for it then :-) I dont want to spend 15-20k on trinkets.

You could still change the AP enchants on your boots, bracers, head and shoulders to stamina ones as well.

Yes, but I don't want my DK to be a complete puppet, he does do some dmg which is good when there's just 2-3k HP left on a running target and a deathcoil will get him.

[Firstcow]

hm, i guess you had your point. I was gonna burn some cash for darkmoon. Played some more matches since I got back from the break. Killing become harder than ever (the 32k priest just won't go down). I guess probably not gonna see things improve until I've gotten the wrathful leggings and chest.

I tried to use Battlemaster trinkets. It didn't work out too well. So probably gonna stay with Mark of Supremecy for now

I never try to burst down a disc priest from the beginning. I only target the priest if he's shadow to force him to use dispersion so he doesn't put out so much pressure on me.

Besides, I don't want to stay on top of a disc priest becase for one he doesn't go down, and two I expose myself to multiple fears if he doesn't die in 30 seconds or whatever the CD on physchic scream.

If you stay away from a disc priest he will be so busy healing that many times he doesn't have time to come near you to fear bomb you.

So the rule of thumb is choose a DPS class and burst it down quick until they iceblock, detterence, etc.
Then switch target to another dps and DG and force that too to go defensive.
Then switch back to the orginal target that already used the defensive moves and burst it down quick.
If this doesn't work at some point you have to DG one of the healers and silence him.
I choose the druid/shaman/paladin because he's more squishier than the disc priest and can't fear.
Also if they have a ele shaman try to put pressure on him to force him to use his thunder and to stop hitting you with those insane lava bursts.

[outdrsyguy1]

That's interesting, I pretty much always have to go for the healer first because if I don't I lose the match without killing anyone and the other team has close to 200k healing. Course, i'm working on my weapons a little still and I don't have the pyro rockets yet which i suspect is a huge difference. how much can you count on for the rockets? I usually get folks down to under 10k health without too much trouble. I'm working on getting a set of greatness cards, but maybe i should get the 245 trinket instead you guys are saying?
I also need to reglyph to get the 10% bonus damage to rightous glyph instead of 8% mana on some random strike glyph. I think i could spare a couple points into the rightous boosted damage talent in the holy line too.

[Firstcow]

That's interesting, I pretty much always have to go for the healer first because if I don't I lose the match without killing anyone and the other team has close to 200k healing. Course, i'm working on my weapons a little still and I don't have the pyro rockets yet which i suspect is a huge difference. how much can you count on for the rockets? I usually get folks down to under 10k health without too much trouble. I'm working on getting a set of greatness cards, but maybe i should get the 245 trinket instead you guys are saying?
I also need to reglyph to get the 10% bonus damage to rightous glyph instead of 8% mana on some random strike glyph. I think i could spare a couple points into the rightous boosted damage talent in the holy line too.

My strategy works only if you have enough gear to burst someone down quickly. I don't care how much healing their healers do, what I care about is to gimp their dps as much as possible by putting as many of their dps classes into defensive mode. If I don't get high pressure on me then I control the terms of the game and I decide when one of their healers goes down, I don't have to feel like I'm forced to kill a healer otherwise I lose the game. This seems to work much better than if I tunnel vision on a healer and their dps are free to do whatever they want to me.

Remember, what kills you is their DPS, not their healers. Ignore the healers until you manage to tone down their dps by putting 1-2 of their dps guys on defensive. I even choose to burst down 45k HP warriors and they drop in 2 GCDs if they don't put a shield on or run away. That means no more high MS or bladestorms on my guys.

The only dps I don't like to target first is a DK or prot warrior. The DK can take a lot of hits if backed up by healers. I hit him until his health is like 50% to scare him a little bit and then I DG a mage or lock or druid. It all depends on who I have in my line of sight.