IS boxer or Keyclone, which is better?

[galaxy]

I used to dual-box many moons ago. I stopped because it had a few bugs in it. Basically at every attack I had to hit 3 macro's then proceed to attack. The bugs were that %50 of the time the slave wouldn't target/follow, etc. This was in the new stages of keyclone. Anyway, I stopped. I watched a vid on someone setting up IS Boxer and it looked very nice.
So any opinions on which program is better? I am full on arena/pvp so I can't waste time checking the slave on every key tap. Has much improved in the past year?etc..
Thanks in advance.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

They both work great. Look at each one's features and see which one supports the things you want to do. They are both (by all accounts I've read) solid products that have been used effectively by many people.

[Ualaa]

IS Boxer offers a lot more then Keyclone, and is regularly updated/improved. But it is a subscription model. The key features which KC doesn't have are quick/accurate mouse broadcasting, instant window swaps, the flexibility of mapped keys (current window, vs all without current, vs any combination of toons, classes etc as the target of an action), repeater regions (which are great for healing) and automatic FTL (a strong assist method).

Keyclone is as good as anything for straight key broadcasting. And it is a one time fee, with a license that will last forever. I boxed with it for over a year, and love the product.

But I eventually moved to IS Boxer, it offers me more.

Decide what you want and need in a boxing software.

[coglistings]

I am affraid that wooden dowl rods is actually where it is at. I am interested if anyone who has a pipe organ console that is "hand air pumped" getting in contact with me to help automate pressing multple keyboards with the ease of pulling out stops.

tyvm

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[jinkobi]

ISboxer has my vote by a landslide.

New features all the time since Lax is constantly working on the thing. I love it and couldn't ever see myself multiboxing without it!

[Mercurio]

I am affraid that wooden dowl rods is actually where it is at. I am interested if anyone who has a pipe organ console that is "hand air pumped" getting in contact with me to help automate pressing multple keyboards with the ease of pulling out stops.

tyvm

HERE COMES 64ft PIPE ACTION AT YOU......

Awesomeness.

[BrothelMeister]

Since this is the most commonly asked question, we should just make a sticky, that lists what each of our users uses, and have an explanation of pros/cons of each :p

[galaxy]

Since this is the most commonly asked question, we should just make a sticky, that lists what each of our users uses, and have an explanation of pros/cons of each :p




Good Idea.

[Akoko]

I've been using many tools before, Keyclone, Autohotkey, and Hotkeynet (even all 3 at once or combinations of the two. Hence the names of my Mage team, lol) trying to achieve the perfect set-up, each tool compensating for what the others couldn't. But it simply gets too inefficient to have to maintain all that especially with multiple teams. I was looking forward to Mojo but from what I've heard that was discontinued.

But I finally gave in and purchased ISBoxer without even trying the free 7-day trial first. It's by far the best 10 dollars I've ever spent in my life. If there was only ONE reason for which I would recommend ISBoxer, it would be the repeater regions. I can now mouseover/clique heal from the point of view of any of my characters, and the set-up and launch is just so much easier. The FTL makes everything a breeze and you no longer even have to make custom macros just for every new spell that you learn unless you have some very specific need.

And no, no one paid me to say this. But thanks Ualaa for the encyclopedias of useful ISBoxer knowledge you've posted on here. I put you as my referral. Vancouver ISBoxerers ftw?

[OzPhoenix]

Same boat as most other posters here - Keyclone is a great product of which I have nothing bad to say about it, and is a good choice for less complex setups, but the power, versatility and configurability of ISBoxer has made running my 5-toon teams almost indescribably easier.

I'm always finding new and interesting ways to make use of the power of ISBoxer to make 5-boxing even easier.

[Dooz]

Same boat as most other posters here - Keyclone is a great product of which I have nothing bad to say about it, and is a good choice for less complex setups, but the power, versatility and configurability of ISBoxer has made running my 5-toon teams almost indescribably easier.

I'm always finding new and interesting ways to make use of the power of ISBoxer to make 5-boxing even easier.

^ Exactly this. I used keyclone until a month or so ago. I now use ISboxer, and I can't see myself returning to Keyclone as it is. ISBoxer has integrated FTL, instant swapping, repeater regions, easy to set up FTL .... Keyclone is less expensive, and does a great job. However, it doesn't offer the same ISBoxer functionality. ISBoxer functionality does come at a price to your framerates. Though after recent updates of ISB, I've seen my framerates improve.

So I don't think you could go very wrong either way. It really depends on how hands on you want to be.

[Akoko]

^ Exactly this. I used keyclone until a month or so ago. I now use ISboxer, and I can't see myself returning to Keyclone as it is. ISBoxer has integrated FTL, instant swapping, repeater regions, easy to set up FTL .... Keyclone is less expensive, and does a great job. However, it doesn't offer the same ISBoxer functionality. ISBoxer functionality does come at a price to your framerates. Though after recent updates of ISB, I've seen my framerates improve.

So I don't think you could go very wrong either way. It really depends on how hands on you want to be.

My frame rate has actually improved significantly since switching from Keyclone to ISBoxer. I can even crank up the graphics on my main window. I suspect it's because ISBoxer is limiting the frame rate on the small windows.

[Emenems]

ISBoxer is much better but keyclone is easier to setup :)

[Ughmahedhurtz]

My frame rate has actually improved significantly since switching from Keyclone to ISBoxer. I can even crank up the graphics on my main window. I suspect it's because ISBoxer is limiting the frame rate on the small windows.
If it is the framerate limits on the alts that is giving you the improvement with ISB, it indicates that you didn't know that feature also existed for KC. :P More accurately, that feature is a wow feature, not a multiboxing feature -- these products just automagically take advantage of it. ;)

[Mickthathick]

I've been using Octopus/Jamba since I first started dual-boxing 6 months ago. I got one team to 80 (ele shaman/mm hunter), and have geared them up using LFD and running the VoA/weekly raids on them. I also love pew-pewing with them in WG, but don't do other PvP with them as it doesn't really interest me.

I also drag the hunter around as I do things like 'solo' Kara or farm ZG for mounts with my prot pally, plus I have leveled a couple of teams to 65 to max out professions across my stable of alts

So my question is, given how unsophisticated my needs are for dual boxing, could IS Boxer help make my dual boxing more enjoyable?

I've considered upgrading to IS Boxer mainly because of the ability to broadcast placeable AOE spells. But I have no intention of ever doing more then dual boxing, and think maybe Octopus is fine for my needs now.

I play in windows mode as I like to watch movies as I play and like being able to manually resize the slave toon's window, is this easily done with IS Boxer?

[Lax]

I play in windows mode as I like to watch movies as I play and like being able to manually resize the slave toon's window, is this easily done with IS Boxer?
You could keep 2 Window Layouts, and switch between them on the fly. e.g. bring up the ISBoxer program, drag the layout you want to use to your team, and then do an Export.

[jinkobi]

I've been using Octopus/Jamba since I first started dual-boxing 6 months ago. I got one team to 80 (ele shaman/mm hunter), and have geared them up using LFD and running the VoA/weekly raids on them. I also love pew-pewing with them in WG, but don't do other PvP with them as it doesn't really interest me.

I also drag the hunter around as I do things like 'solo' Kara or farm ZG for mounts with my prot pally, plus I have leveled a couple of teams to 65 to max out professions across my stable of alts

So my question is, given how unsophisticated my needs are for dual boxing, could IS Boxer help make my dual boxing more enjoyable?

I've considered upgrading to IS Boxer mainly because of the ability to broadcast placeable AOE spells. But I have no intention of ever doing more then dual boxing, and think maybe Octopus is fine for my needs now.

I play in windows mode as I like to watch movies as I play and like being able to manually resize the slave toon's window, is this easily done with IS Boxer?

ISBoxer works excellent for dual boxing. When I was leveling my team I dual boxed them up in sets... Any size team there's really nothing better than ISBoxer. Really opens you up to ALL the possibilities you could imagine. My favorite thing of all is that it's so easy to use.

[Mokoi]

What's better, a car for just carrying your family, or a van for carrying your family and all your stuff..

well it's a subjective question..

Keyclone works great, almost never breaks and is like the Kia of cars, excellent quality, but not loaded with features.

ISboxer is like the Japanese supercar. Very powerful, but difficult to really reign in all of its uses and may at first seem like it's written in Japanese. It's also many times more expensive.

[thefunk]

Hehe My personal description is Keyclone is like a flat packed furniture from the time sink that is IKEA while ISBoxer is like solid wood furniture, put it in the corner and it works. + you can move the solid wood furniture to another room without breaking all those annyoing bits or ripping the cheap MDF boards...

[thefunk]

not that i'm saying keyclone is cheap or gets ripped apart, just that it takes time to set up a new team each time with macros...

[Owltoid]

ISBoxer is complicated if you use all the features. But the things it makes painless is usefull to all new boxers (automatic FTL, dynamic macro generation for switching out toons with ease). I know when I was using HKN, which I love, I was still messing around with macros inside of WoW and struggling to do any mixing or matching. ISBoxer solved the problem and made it more enjoyable. I doubt Keyclone does the same.

Though I never used it, I'm greatful Keyclone existed as it was apparently very valuable to the multiboxing community. However, it is outdated. ISBoxer is the new generation. Consider Keyclone a pager and ISBoxer a smartphone. Both useful in their time, but if given a choice, I wouldn't go for a pager even though it's cheaper, the smartphone is just too valuable. Others may disagree. If you do, then you're a drug dealer. QED

[Lyonheart]

I took me a long time to switch to ISBoxer. I have been a subscriber for awhile now. I waited, and waited, and waited and............................... for Rob to update keyclone. Almost a year later, still no updates. Last time he posted anything was toward the end of last year. He made it sound like he was working on something new. Have not heard from him since. I wish he would have let us loyal fans know wtf is going on, oh well.

Now that I have switched to ISBoxer, I don't see me ever needing anything else. I love that i can insta switch screens, I love that I can ground target ae on all at the same time, OR just a few at a time, all from my main window. And just too many other things to list. I held out for KC for a year, I'm loyal like that. But ISBoxer wins the day IMO!

[roflstomp]

my vote is on isboxer ive used it for almost a year now and no problems at all like ever one else says up dated all the time infact i still need to up date mine

keyclone is wonderfull to but very simple it does what it says clones keys. also rob is great with customer service i called him many times and no mater what he waas doing he answer and fixed the problems asap

isboxer i havent had to call lax yet because of no problem except when his purchase server thing went down

[Dooz]

What's better, a car for just carrying your family, or a van for carrying your family and all your stuff..

well it's a subjective question..

Keyclone works great, almost never breaks and is like the Kia of cars, excellent quality, but not loaded with features.

ISboxer is like the Japanese supercar. Very powerful, but difficult to really reign in all of its uses and may at first seem like it's written in Japanese. It's also many times more expensive.

"It's also many times more expensive." ..... eh... not many times more expensive. It depends on how many machines you're going to run, and how long you plan to play WoW. When I first started boxing I had to pay $80 dollars to put keyclone on multiple machines. I also had to put Kavoom on 4 machines to the tune of $60 (Kavoom is KM software).

$36 dollars for Innerspace / ISBoxer would cover those same machines for a year. $90 would cover those machines for 3 years. I can't be positive this is accurate, but I will go out on a limb and say that most boxers don't last that long. Also ISBoxer covers more gaming software. Unless things have changed with Keyclone, once your done with WoW you're done with Keyclone.

So you're really comparing a used car that drives well, to a new car that drives awesome, and you're only paying a FEW extra bucks for the new car.

[Ualaa]

Lax also has a bunch of bounties on www.isboxer.com.

If you like the software and feel you can contribute to the community, you can get credit for extra subscription time.

If you compare the feature list, to that of other software, imo it's a no-brainer. As in, $36/year (or 13 months, if you mention someone as a referral), is worth it.

For me, the selling points were:
- Automatic FTL without any input from myself.
- Accurate mouse broadcasting, and ability to enable "send next click".
- Instant window swaps.

I didn't even know of the power of Keymaps.
If I had, they would definitely be the first feature on my list of reasons to move to IS Boxer.

There are a lot of options out there to go with, and several free options.
But imo, nothing else comes close.

[nkr]

Im new to the world of Multiboxing, and just started my first team (Paladin + Hunter). I started with ISBoxer and I have to say its plain EASY. Im loving it already :)

[Fat Tire]

I will bet Ualaa has enough referrals to never pay for IS boxer again. He should be paid by lax as Ualaa I am assuming has sold more subscriptions himself through his write ups than the software has done by itself.

ISboxer is the current generation of boxing software atm. However, I think Keyclone still has and has had the better marketing campaign even though now its inferior to ISboxer.

[daviddoran]

Keyclone will get the job done, and only cost a one time fee, but ISBoxer has a superior feature set. Keyclone hasnt been updated in a year and doesnt look very active at all.

If I were starting right now, I would go ISBoxer in a heartbeat.

[barney]

im using isboxer and after reading the guides its easy to handle and very powerful, didnt test keyclone though

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Hehe My personal description is Keyclone is like a flat packed furniture from the time sink that is IKEA while ISBoxer is like solid wood furniture, put it in the corner and it works. + you can move the solid wood furniture to another room without breaking all those annyoing bits or ripping the cheap MDF boards...


not that i'm saying keyclone is cheap or gets ripped apart, just that it takes time to set up a new team each time with macros...
Thanks for the clarification, as it sure seemed like you were calling Keyclone cheap crap.

Analogies suck. And while we can appreciate the advances seen in ISB, don't let yourself slide over the line into "neener-neener" bashing of solid products just because you adore your new toy more. Words mean things. ;)

[Duess]

I recently switched from HKN to ISBoxer because of the offers within ISBoxer to basically have follow/assist/etc. work when not all my characters are in the same place in a raid group or even in the same raid. I loved HKN because I could control everything in it. I didn't have any extra crap going through that would cause problems which is one of the reasons I didn't stick with Keyclone (which I did purchase and use for a period of time).

When I picked up ISBoxer, I initially got that same feeling I had with KC, things were happening and I didn't know why they were happening. After a bit of reading of some of the posters here and watching some of the videos, I was able to get the functionality that I wanted from ISBoxer while still maintaining a good portion of the flexibility that HKN gave me. I'm still working out some kinks to get me some of the abilities and whatnot back that I manually set up in HKN, but now I have a strong base to start from.

[Tabaroo]

I have isboxer and im very happy