Two step IWT for shaman?

[Shodokan]

I just want to make sure it is like

Step 1 = iwt
Step 2 = move backwards

[Ualaa]

Yes.

And probably, set it (on the screen where you pick the hotkey), to execute a step on press or release instead of release (default).

Then press and hold the key as long as you like.
And release it, when you want the movement to end.

[Shodokan]

Yes.

And probably, set it (on the screen where you pick the hotkey), to execute a step on press or release instead of release (default).

Then press and hold the key as long as you like.
And release it, when you want the movement to end.

good idea.

[Flekkie]

Yes.

And probably, set it (on the screen where you pick the hotkey), to execute a step on press or release instead of release (default).

Then press and hold the key as long as you like.
And release it, when you want the movement to end.
I've seen this suggested a couple of times - could you confirm exactly how to do it or point me in the right direction?
(Hoping it's not an ISBoxer thing, since I'm with HKN atm..)

[Akoko]

I know this might be off topic, but how might one achieve something similar using HotKeyNet?

[Flekkie]

You can do it in HKN by telling it to send one keystroke on button down and another on button up, but I will not do that because I believe it is illegal according to Blizzard's one button one action guidance.

However, I'm interested in whether it's possible using existing addons, because I can be confident of their legality. I've read posts that seem to be talking about addons, but I don't have the knowledge or time to make an addon myself. For example, here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18600873657&sid=1
I know some addons havebeen able to perform actions on keydown instead of key up, (eg Macaroon, Snowfall)

[Ualaa]

Well, the blizzard keyboard API specifically allows this.
And addons such as Snowfall and Macaroon take advantage of this functionality.

It's your call to use it or to not use it.
But Blizzard specifically put this functionality into the game, it only works because of their Keyboard API, and will stop working (no matter what the software tries to do) if they ever change their minds and change the Keyboard API functionality.

The one key = one action quote is frequently taken out of the context it was originally given. It refers to you do one action on your computer and one action occurs in the game. That single action can be multiple keys without any issue. It specifically refers to your not being able to push a single key now, and have something happen now, something else happen in 2 seconds and then 6 seconds later a third thing happens, all based off of the first press and without any additional input.

If you're not comfortable taking advantage of a feature which Blizzard chose to implement in their game, then don't use it. It is the same as not using Interact With Target and Click to Move, which honestly were put into the game to help handicapped players with one arms and such to play the game, not to allow melee boxing to swarm players as they move about the battlefield.

[Flekkie]

Ualaa, I am not interested in a legality argument. As stated, I am interested in achieving this either using addons or other functionality within WoW. You said in your previous post that it is a feature that Blizzard have implemented in their game, so.. how do I do it?

I don't know how to do the technical stuff, but from what you have written, it sounds like you do? Can you help me achieve this at all please?



The thing I refuse to do is to have HKN send two key-strokes for one key actually pressed. However, I am comfortable with HKN sending one key-down and a seperate key-up for each key actually pressed down and up. I believe this is already how it handles movement keys.

To be clear: the thing I am interested in is using functionality within WOW to perform one action (eg keybind) on key-down and another, different action, on key-up, in such a way that it would work with just WoW running on its own.

The first thing I would like to know is: is it possible? The second thing is: can you help me along the way?


I'm really sorry, I'm afraid I don't know what an API is, but if I get time I'll see if I can find out later today.

[MiRai]

Ualaa, I am not interested in a legality argument. As stated, I am interested in achieving this either using addons or other functionality within WoW.
You started off by mentioning the legality of it...

You can do it in HKN by telling it to send one keystroke on button down and another on button up, but I will not do that because I believe it is illegal according to Blizzard's one button one action guidance.

However, I'm interested in whether it's possible using existing addons, because I can be confident of their legality.
So Ualaa pointed out that it is in fact legal.
But to point you in the right direction...


You said in your previous post that it is a feature that Blizzard have implemented in their game, so.. how do I do it?

I'm really sorry, I'm afraid I don't know what an API is, but if I get time I'll see if I can find out later today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API
http://www.wowwiki.com/API
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua (programming_language) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_%28programming_language%29)
http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua

[Shodokan]

i still can't get this to work

i've tried multi-action single step and multiple step... both don't work.

[Ualaa]

You need click to move on.
You need interact with target keybound.

Go with two steps.
Either two presses or press and release will work.

Verify the toons will run towards an npc.
And that the second step will break the movement.

I know there's an option to auto switch from melee to ranged attacks for some classes.
Not sure if that causes an issue.
You'd want Interact with a hostile target to cause your team to run and melee them.

I know my feral druids will run at something to melee it, even when casting wrath in caster form.
Unless I hit my Melee IWT toggle key, to disable IWT.
I don't have a mapped key on this team, for IWT + Break movement, but down arrow breaks the movement.

[Flekkie]

Sorry Shodokan to sidetrack the thread.

Although I do not feel my question has not been helpfully addressed at all, I withdraw from this thread since it was an off topic question. I had not spotted that the thread was tagged ISBoxer until it was too late.

I must say that I am entirely surprised by the defensiveness and picky nature of the two responses to my question, and I will certainly pause for some time before raising a separate thread to enquire how to make use of this functionality, which I am told is built into WoW. I am left wondering why this is such a closed and seemingly taboo topic.

[Svpernova09]

Sorry Shodokan to sidetrack the thread.

Although I do not feel my question has not been helpfully addressed at all, I withdraw from this thread since it was an off topic question. I had not spotted that the thread was tagged ISBoxer until it was too late.

I must say that I am entirely surprised by the defensiveness and picky nature of the two responses to my question, and I will certainly pause for some time before raising a separate thread to enquire how to make use of this functionality, which I am told is built into WoW. I am left wondering why this is such a closed and seemingly taboo topic.

I think Fenril's reply should answer most of your questions. Yes, this functionality IS in the game, but you may need scripting / addon knowledge to use it. Not everything is in the stock UI, a lot of things are accessible via scripts / addons that the average user may never see.

[Flekkie]

Thanks Svper, this is the sort of info I was after.

I have spent the last hour following Fenril's links and I can honestly say I am baffled. I have used VB extensively in Excel, and the HKN scripting language. Taught myself basic SQL. But LUA has stumped me for now, I just don't know how to get out of the starting gates.
However, I had managed to infer from his response (with some difficulty) that it is possible, and the way to do it is via an addon, which (I think) uses LUA to send commands to the keyboard API within WoW.

Since it feels like a sore topic I will let it lie for a bit, before asking for further pointers in a different thread.

[moosejaw]

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