Lava Surge

[Shodokan]

Elemental is getting buffed to high heaven it seems because of this talent.

When it is 3/3 it is 30% chance for a tick from Flame Shock to reset the timer on Lava Burst.

[Siaea]

/drool

I'm guessing you mean reset the cooldown?

[Shodokan]

/drool

I'm guessing you mean reset the cooldown?

Yes i do, just tested it on the ATR. I got 6 lava bursts in a row...

[Siaea]

I got 6 lava bursts in a row...

oof...that'll leave a mark.

[thefunk]

yeah... but will it be in live? probably not, unless they add crit chance to consecrate hehe

for some reason I just thought of Paladins similar to Zangief, utterly useless when more than 10 inches away from mob (and I hope i'm not showing my age here...)

[Shodokan]

yeah... but will it be in live? probably not, unless they add crit chance to consecrate hehe

for some reason I just thought of Paladins similar to Zangief, utterly useless when more than 10 inches away from mob (and I hope i'm not showing my age here...)

Zangeif has larriat though, so good luck hitting him with fireballs or anything from far away, but unlike paladins zangeif has green hand to move closer quicker.

[Mokoi]

you both just revealed your difference in ages. lol

[Shodokan]

A good street fighter reference would be compare dk/rets to dudley... from far away he can do NOTHING...example dhalsim(in ssf4) keeps him out with all his long range pokes. But when dudley just as dk/rets get in... it's all over. Where as shaman are like ryu and akuma... happy to sit back and throw plasma to their heart's content.

[mrmcgee21]

Great talent for solo ele, sadly its bad for 4 boxing. Just like managing an eclipse rotation is dicey at best for us, this will be as well. What makes quad shamans so viable is being able to cast 4 lvb at the same exact time, I'm sure we will come up with a mod to track when all 4 cd's have been reset but even then its less than optimal. So if this is our "gamebreaking" talent, we won't be able to fully use it which will put quad shamans at a slightly larger disadvantage =/.

Not saying its the end of the world, just nothing to really be excited about from a quad boxing PoV.

[Shodokan]

Great talent for solo ele, sadly its bad for 4 boxing. Just like managing an eclipse rotation is dicey at best for us, this will be as well. What makes quad shamans so viable is being able to cast 4 lvb at the same exact time, I'm sure we will come up with a mod to track when all 4 cd's have been reset but even then its less than optimal. So if this is our "gamebreaking" talent, we won't be able to fully use it which will put quad shamans at a slightly larger disadvantage =/.

Not saying its the end of the world, just nothing to really be excited about from a quad boxing PoV.

Jamba can do that (i assume it will be updated), as can milk's scrolling battle text.

Using ISboxer and a naga mouse you can watch and have it so that buttons do certain things. Like Toon 1 does lvb etc.

Dk/Rets use far more buttons than shaman, just means shaman will need more buttons to work at their full potential.

[Littleburst]

macro possible that will cast lava burst if it's off CD and CL or LB if it's on CD?

[Shodokan]

macro possible that will cast lava burst if it's off CD and CL or LB if it's on CD?

if/then scripts were taken out in 3.3

[Ualaa]

I tried a macro (and it fails) like this:

#show
/cast [stealth] Ravage; Shred
/cast [stealth] Pounce; Mangle

The first line works as expected. Ravage if behind and stealthed, otherwise Shred if behind.
However the second line would not execute, if I was in front of the mob.



I'd imagine with a click priority system...
We might be able to end up with two fall throughs.
Lightning Bolt placed higher up then Lava Burst.

/castsequence Lightning Bolt,
/cast Lava Burst

When everything else is on cooldown, the fall-through will attempt LB on half of the casts and LvB on the rest.
Would have to test and tweak it, of course.

[mrmcgee21]

I have well over 70 hotkeys on my 4 shamans right now, I could probably make a few more but thats beside the point. Like I said before, the power of 4 shamans is our ability to cast 4 lvb at the *SAME* time. Without any effective mortal strike good arena teams will always just heal through your damage unless your nearly globaling people unfortunately ( past 2000 rating at least ). This simply isn't a good ability for quad shamans. I'm not saying its completely useless but any random chance type ability usually doesn't work well for boxers.

[Lyonheart]

quote" the power of 4 shamans is our ability to cast 4 lvb at the *SAME* time"

The thing that makes boxing shamies powerful is stacking totems.. mass chain heals..self rezes. Not being able to manage laval bursts perfectly will not change that. And for PvP its the first round of LvBs that matter most. And you will still have the first round go out at the same time.

All this means is that, unless you find a way to hotkey it, you will have some wasted time on lava bursts that are ready before your macro is ready to cast it. So not optimal, but far from the end of the world. Shamies will still be the best class to box imo. And from a solo perspective, I'm excited about all the changes so far ( as long as most of them go live ) My main raider is one of my shaman!

[Shodokan]

I have well over 70 hotkeys on my 4 shamans right now, I could probably make a few more but thats beside the point. Like I said before, the power of 4 shamans is our ability to cast 4 lvb at the *SAME* time. Without any effective mortal strike good arena teams will always just heal through your damage unless your nearly globaling people unfortunately ( past 2000 rating at least ). This simply isn't a good ability for quad shamans. I'm not saying its completely useless but any random chance type ability usually doesn't work well for boxers.

You get the same maximum amount of points from arenas as you do battle grounds. So the point of arenas is pretty moot in my opinion. Sure people enjoy it and sure it wont work well for that particular situation but overall it's a nice talent. Saying you'd rather them all go off at once is all well and good, but simply saying it isn't good is retarded. You are basically saying you'd rather wait and get the full burst when you can be doing more overall damage to that target otherwise. You still have your initial LVB to do that.

[mrmcgee21]

Wow, well I'm glad you guys have it all figured out then. What would I know anyways.

[Zub]

The conclusion of this thread will most likely only arrive in 5 months.

[Littleburst]

You get the same maximum amount of points from arenas as you do battle grounds. So the point of arenas is pretty moot in my opinion. Sure people enjoy it and sure it wont work well for that particular situation but overall it's a nice talent. Saying you'd rather them all go off at once is all well and good, but simply saying it isn't good is retarded. You are basically saying you'd rather wait and get the full burst when you can be doing more overall damage to that target otherwise. You still have your initial LVB to do that.


I agree with mrmcgee21 and can't say i'm suprised that he stepped out. Declaring someone retarded is something that belongs on the wowforums, not here imo. Respect etc.

His point was that it's not that good in pvp. Since, if you use 4 lvb and before the CD is done, you can fire another on a slave, that means that when the other 3 are off CD, you miss out on atleast 1 lvb and thus reducing your burst.

So in most pvp situations you will not use the proc, since the burst from 4 lvb crits is to good to break up.

[Kruschpakx4]

Great talent for solo ele, sadly its bad for 4 boxing

true story bro, I'm gonna spec like that http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman#9QAhNMdq4IwKI,kJ6eRq,11927

[Eloxy]

Yeh, for a pve shaman with some proc magagement its ok i guess.

But pvp wise it is fail. anything that screws up your sycronisation on your shammies is bad. And as we all know, bad is bad.

I landed on the exact same spec krush posted. will be interesting to see how the new stuff works out..
When i say the glyphs i though..hmm wonder what the new glyphs will look like? =)

[Toned]

Ya that talent blows for ele 5s :P