Multi-Boxer's Guide To Making Gold Through Heroics

[Shodokan]

Multi-Boxer's Guide To Making Gold Through Heroics
Author:
Shodokan@Dual-Boxing.com
Godtier@mmo-champion.com
Shodokan@D2jsp.org
Shodokan123@Shoryuken.com
Shodokan123@Youtube.com

Introduction
My name is colin. I've been boxing since early burning crusade and have always been more into the financial aspect of this game than anything else. Raiding is all well and good but whats the point if you can't afford all the new toys that come out with every content patch to put you one step above the rest? Over the years i've made tons of in game gold most of which was through single characters and during BC i never really took boxing seriously other than for the PVP aspect of it.

Since i've been boxing again in WOTLK there has been one goal in mind... Hit 1 million gold by cataclysm. So far that gold isn't close to being reached... I have about 40k gold to my name but i have spent far too much gold on things that were necessary. I've powerleveled enchanting, jewelcrafting, paid people to help farm herbs to level 32 alchemists, given gold to friends for helping power level through dungeons, 9 hilts among other things. I've accumulated about 500,000 gold in less than 3 months not even going 100% at it just going about my thing day to day. Now yes most of that was from alchemy as i invested my time to do that but as of recent i've come to the conclusion that optimization of profit through heroics and basic AH manipulation is what will yield the highest profits for my time and still help me reach that 1 million mark by cataclysm.

Why heroics?
They make you the most money... Period. It's not even close.

Basic heroic info
There was stuff here, i will add it back at a later date when i restructure my posts. It was just quoting some people who posted here and personal experiences etc etc....

As Dungeons give 4-8 badges with the LFD feature. Though there are far more dungeons with 5-7 so i will be using the average of 6 badges for the numerical values. I will also assume you are running while holding wintergrasp as it is most profitable to do so due to the stonekeeper shards.

Every heroic is worth approximately:
6 Emblem of Triumph
6 Green Items with the average worth of 6 gold per
5 Blue items with the average worth of 6 gold per (BOE items included here)
1 Purple Item
25-75 gold in silver/trash drops
Decent amount of Frostweave Cloth
16x stonekeeper shards.
13g per toon from LFD feature
1 Frozen Orb

So this means for every 10 heroics you get. (2.5 hours worth)
300 emblems of triumph
60 green items
50 blue items
10 purple items
~500 gold from trash
750 stonekeeper shards
650g from LFD feature (5 toons)
10 frozen orbs.

At face Value this is worth.
300 emblems (discussed below)
60 green items (360 gold)
50 blue items (300 gold)
10 purple items (200 gold)
500 gold from trash
750 stonekeeper shards = 5 gems (gem prices discussed below)
650g from LFD
10 frozen orbs (Used in optimization)

Total: ~2200 gold worth of items NOT INCLUDING emblems or gems.
~700 gold per hour. Before Gems and usage of emblems and frozen orbs

Emblem Usage

Gems
Uncut gems (as of 4/28/10 on illidan)
Red: 100
Blue: 100
Yellow: 95
Purple: 75
Orange: 75
Green: 50

Cut gems (varies based on cut)
Red: 110-135
Blue: 110-140
Yellow: 100-130
Orange: 85-110
Purple: 85-110
Green: 50-100

Assuming all honor (5 gems worth) is used on red/blue gems
Uncut Value: 500
Cut value: 550-675

Assuming all emblems are used for orange/purple gems
Uncut value: 2250
Cut value: 2550 - 3000

Purely using JC will net you about an extra 3250 gold per 10 heroics.
Selling gems uncut will net you approximately 2700 gold per 10 heroics

Runed/Crusader Orbs
300 emblems is qeual to the following

Runed: 17 (rounding up) = 1400
Crusader orbs: 20 = 2200

Unlike gems, the value added for these items are quite a bit in conjunction with other items these specific values will be covered later.

Frozen orbs
10x Eternal Fire: 160
10x Eternal Life: 130
10x Frost Lotus: 150

Crusader orbs: 1.6667 = ~183
Runed orbs: 2.5 = 200

Alchemy can put the frost lotus to good use. Eternals and orbs are used in crafting recipes. These will yield higher overall profit with professions.

Blacksmithing
Crusader orbs
Assuming you have 20 crusader orbs.
The cheapest and best selling would be the bracers. The chests also sell well, but personally for me the cost to profit margin is not good enough to warrant making them (sell for 600g more, cost about 600g more to make >_>)


Cost to make: 4 crusader orbs, 8 titansteel bars, 20 saronite bars
Cost in gold: 0, 520 (65g on illidan), 32 (saronite bars, not ore and smelted which would be cheaper)
Total cost in gold: 552
Sells for: 1500-1600
Profit: ~1000 gold
4 crusader orbs = ~440

This item doubles the value worth, 6 gems uncut = 450, cut = 600. Overall profit. ~ 500 over JC

Takes 2 days max to sell


Cost to make: 4 crusader orbs, 8 titansteel bars, 12 Eternal Life
Cost in gold: 0, 520 (65g on illidan), 120
Total cost in gold: 640
Sells for: 1500-1600
Profit: ~900 gold
4 crusader orbs = ~440

6 gems uncut = 450, cut = 600. Overall profit. ~ 300 over JC


Cost to make: 4 crusader orbs, 8 titansteel bars, 12 saronite bars, 1 eternal fire
Cost in gold: 0, 520 (65g on illidan), 19.2(saronite bars, not ore and smelted which would be cheaper), 16
Total cost in gold: 555.2
Sells for: 1500-1600
Profit: ~1000 gold
4 crusader orbs = ~440

This item doubles the value worth, 6 gems uncut = 450, cut = 600. Overall profit. ~ 500 over JC

Takes 2 days max to sell

Runed Orbs
ALL items cost: 6 runed orbs and 5 titansteel bars

Total cost per: 300
Selling price: 1300-1900
Profit Margin per item: over 1000 gold.

If you are a BS... your frozen orbs go to this. PERIOD. I normally can sell tanking or DPS boots/belt in under 2 days for 1750 gold a 1400g profit. IT IS A GOLD LOSS TO DO THIS OVER GEMS UNLESS YOU CAN GET MORE MONEY.

Simply put... look on the ah for low priced frozen orbs, even if they are 20g per that turns to be 80g per item

Cost to make that way: 780
Sells for: 1300-1900
Profit Margin: 550+ gold

Enchanting
Simple... look on AH, find expensive recipes, get them... make them on w/e scrolls you need to and put em up.
Alternately infinite dust can be used for tailoring.

Tailoring
Normally i can end up with 1-2 stacks of cloth per heroic. So i'll assume i get like 15 stacks total. Total bolts = 60

Enough for 5 frostweave bags which sell for 45g on my server.

Alternately the bolts turned into imbued can be used for spellweave and such. Spellweave is best due to bejeweled wizards bracers The frozen orbs can be used for eternals for these if you feel it is best use.

Crusader orbs
For these i'm going to just do a cost analysis based on buying the spellweave... as it's really cheap on my server. This will depend on your server. Might be more profitable to use frozen orbs and such to make em.


Cost to make: 4 crusader orbs, 1 red gem, 1 blue gem, 1 green gem, 8 spellweave
Cost in gold: 0, 100, 100, 50, 160
Total cost in gold: 410
Sells for: 1200-1600
Profit: ~1000
4 crusader orbs = ~440

This item doubles the value worth, 6 gems uncut = 450, cut = 600. Overall profit. ~ 400 over JC

ITEM=47588
Cost to make: 4 crusader orbs, 12 moonshroud
Cost in gold: 0, 220
Total cost in gold: 220
Sells for: 900-1300
Profit: ~800
4 crusader orbs = ~440

Don't make many of these... its not that much extra profit and takes longer to sell than bejeweled

Runed orbs
These do not sell well, do not bother.

Leatherworking/Skinning
If you are a skinner (which you should have one, each mob you skin is worth at least another gold to your overall total)

To be honest the crusader orb items and runed orb items don't sell very well on illidan, i don't use this much. I do however make the leg armors. Depending on the instances depends on how much leather you get obviously. VH is super for this type of thing.

Each leg armor you can afford to make is worth an extra 150g to you. So thats every 6 stacks of leather. Or if you get lucky and pull a few arctic fur. On average this won't add THAT much to your overall but i wouldn't discount it either.

I'd say overall skinning/leatherworking is worth maybe an extra 250-300g per session of 10 heroics depending on luck of the draw.

It's not chump change so you should definately have it.

To be fair the leatherworking items do sell for upwards to 2k gold, and the runed orbs one can sell decently and fetch nice profit margin (example: deathwarmed belt costs like 200g, over your orb costs, and sell for 1800, less than BS but sell less frequently)

You can try other items like ice striker's cloak and other beginner BOE's but i've had little success with them and sometimes they can be a complete waste of mats and end up getting given away or DE'd.

Alchemy
If using frozen orbs for frost lotus you have enough to make... 10 flasks worth

10 flasks = 20 flasks with no proc... with 15% proc rate you get like an extra 4 per 10 flasks you make or w/e...
Total made: 24
Total value: 408
Costs: 20g (icethorn) 45g (lichbloom)... i make frost wyrm.
Total costs: 65
Total profit: 343
Profit over selling orbs: 143g

This is mainly used to create titanium bars and make titansteel. Extra procs are a godsend at saving money.

[Shodokan]

What i personally do
Personally i will do 20 heroics and then do my thing.
Total emblems: 600
Total Greens: 120 (these are DE'd)
Total Blue Items: 100 (these are de'd if sell to vendor for <5g)
Total Purple Items: 20 (DE'd, make berserking with these)
Total Gold from Trash: 1000
Total Gems from Stone Keeper Shards: 20
Total Gold from LFD: 1300
Total Frozen Orbs: 20


I get most of my stuff in bulk.
Saronite ore @ 11g per stack
Eternal fire @ 10g per
Eternal shadow @ 2g per
Eternal earth @ 2g per

Step 1: Turn frozen orbs into 5 runed orbs, then buy 1 runed orb.
Step 2: Turn in ALL emblems for crusader orbs
Step 3: Buy 17 red gems and 3 blue gems for stonekeeper shards
Step 4: Make 2 berserking scrolls
Step 5: Use tailor and create 3 bejewled wizard's bracers (sell normally at 1200)


Buy 24 spellweave (i get them in bulk at 18g per personally) total cost = 432
Buy 4 green gems (200g)

Step 6: Buy 4 eternal shadow (8g) and create death warmed belt (sells for 1800-2000)
Step 7: Buy 150 stacks of saronite ore (1650 gold), 58 eternal fire (580g), 58 eternal earth(116g), 58(116g)
Step 8: Create 4x and 3x
Step 9: Create ~12 frostweave bags
Step 10: Turn in extra leather for arctic fur and make leg armors, 3 of these are used in death warmed belt
Step 11: Put everything on AH

Items sold:
4x Average selling price: 1500
3x Average selling price: 1500
3x Average selling price: 1200
1x Average selling price: 1750
4x Red gems (100g per)
12x frostweave bags (40g per)
2x berserking scrolls (450g per)
Normally 2 Leg enchants (170g per)

Total gold made:
1500 x 7 = 10500
1200 x 3 = 3600
1750 x 1 = 1750
4 x 100 = 400
12 x 40 = 480
2x 450 = 900
2x 170 = 340
LFD = 1300
Trash = 1000
Total gold made: ~ 25000
Total gold spent: ~ 3000
Total profit: ~22000
Total gold/hour: ~4400

When just selling gems and such you get with no other profession use (other than taking DE crystals into consideration)

Total emblems: 600
Total Greens: 120 (these are DE'd)
Total Blue Items: 100 (these are de'd if sell to vendor for <5g)
Total Purple Items: 20 (DE'd, make berserking with these)
Total Gold from Trash: 1000
Total Gems from Stone Keeper Shards: 20
Total Gold from LFD: 1300
Total Frozen Orbs: 20

60 gems, uncut = 4500, cut = 6000
Greens = ~720
blues = ~600
purples = ~440
trash = ~1000
gems from shards = ~1000
LFD = 1300
Orbs = ~400
Total: ~12460
Total gold per hour: ~2292


Doing what i do yields
4 heroics per hour: ~4400g
3.5 heroics per hour: ~3900g
3 heroics per hour: ~ 3400g

Using professions to your maximum ability allows for you to make nearly double the money in the same amount of time. Yes there are upfront costs to doing this, and your prices and such may vary... but you will get atleast 1.5x the amount of gold over just selling things at base prices and in raw material form.




THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PRODUCT. It's something to tide people over and one of the tatics that works... and works the best. Yes it's common sense, but a step by step guide is something people wanted, so here it is. I will be changing the topic title and adding other things at a later date as well as fixing stuff up. I had time between classes today so i figured i would write what i could.



EDIT: Some item links didn't work, i will fix it later

death warmed belt
saronite sword breakers
titanium wrists
bejeweled wizards bracers

[Shodokan]

Reserved

[Shodokan]

Reserved >_>

[Starbuck_Jones]

Good read, But 18min per heroic is damn fast using the LFD tool. I remember doing the math on a heroic LFD run of Nexus and walked away with 1626G from that one run, but it took a little over a half an hour killing, looting, skinning, paying for repairs etc. The number is a bit higher than normal because it was the first run so I walked away with 10 frost emblems as well.

[Fat Tire]

Good write up on heroics!

[Valorin]

I'm confused about the stonekeeper shards. You get 16 per instances (on average) so that's 160 per 10 heroics. You have 750 listed. I'm trying to figure out how you're getting your 10 gems. Are you getting the gems straight from the shards, or converting to honor?

[Starbuck_Jones]

hes combining all the shards from each toon. Eventually it will work out, but 750 shards = 5 gems not 10 when converted to honor. Lower he says 5 gems from honor so it may just be a typo if hes got his 20 runs on his mind doing 10 run math...

[Shodokan]

hes combining all the shards from each toon. Eventually it will work out, but 750 shards = 5 gems not 10 when converted to honor. Lower he says 5 gems from honor so it may just be a typo if hes got his 20 runs on his mind doing 10 run math...

Yeah, i did the math quickly >_> fixed.


Good read, But 18min per heroic is damn fast using the LFD tool. I remember doing the math on a heroic LFD run of Nexus and walked away with 1626G from that one run, but it took a little over a half an hour killing, looting, skinning, paying for repairs etc. The number is a bit higher than normal because it was the first run so I walked away with 10 frost emblems as well.

Nexus is no longer than CoS, which i did the other day with 13 minuets left when the drake dude DIED. that includes looting.


Edit: Added varying heroics per hour based on group gear etc and output it yields.

[ghonosyph]

lol i dont know how in the hell you can loot and kill that damned fast, even with my main group with 5to 6 k gearscores on all 5 i still cant loot everything that quickly! good write up, i've started doing some of what you have posted, its amazing how much money you can make just with a miner. I started buying saronite ore and smelting it to bars, then took the bars and had an transmute alchemist friend make them into titanium bars. what this yields on MY server is an average cost per titanium bar of 8 gold per bar, which then turns around and sells for 14 to 15. Which doesn't sound like a lot, but when you buy a thousand gold worth at a time and smelt it all while afk doing laundry or whatever, you can quickly flip it over for 1.5 times your money :) i make my roommate do this for me while i'm at work lol

I'm gonna take this info tho, and thank shod for a wonderful write up! hopefully i can make a few more golds with this :)

[Shodokan]

lol i dont know how in the hell you can loot and kill that damned fast, even with my main group with 5to 6 k gearscores on all 5 i still cant loot everything that quickly! good write up, i've started doing some of what you have posted, its amazing how much money you can make just with a miner. I started buying saronite ore and smelting it to bars, then took the bars and had an transmute alchemist friend make them into titanium bars. what this yields on MY server is an average cost per titanium bar of 8 gold per bar, which then turns around and sells for 14 to 15. Which doesn't sound like a lot, but when you buy a thousand gold worth at a time and smelt it all while afk doing laundry or whatever, you can quickly flip it over for 1.5 times your money :) i make my roommate do this for me while i'm at work lol

I'm gonna take this info tho, and thank shod for a wonderful write up! hopefully i can make a few more golds with this :)

Ret paladins with 8-9k dps on trash tends to do that...glad you liked what i wrote so far.

[crowdx]

The speed for heroics is insane, I have soloed through heroics chain pulling mobs and the whole group close to 6k gear score and the Nexus still took about 20 minutes.
The logic is good BUT it is still VERY economy dependent, a good example is the transmuting of saronite to titanium, I did this on my server and ended up with a lot of the bars not selling at all, so VERY market dependent.

[Shodokan]

The speed for heroics is insane, I have soloed through heroics chain pulling mobs and the whole group close to 6k gear score and the Nexus still took about 20 minutes.
The logic is good BUT it is still VERY economy dependent, a good example is the transmuting of saronite to titanium, I did this on my server and ended up with a lot of the bars not selling at all, so VERY market dependent.

X-muting to titanium is to make your own titansteel, NOT to resell, it's just to get them cheaper than the actual price on the AH to reduce overall costs of materials you cannot get from instances.

There are obviously varying times, which is why i included further breakdowns. If you get a bad string of luck of like 3 nexus then yeah you'll get less, but if you get like 2x an and 2x gundrak it will be much much faster etc. It all evens out. This is done over time, not on a per hour basis other than the "worth" of your hour of time.

[Boylston]

A couple points, I think it may be easier to somewhat "start at the end" by explaining to people where the mats you generate from heroics end up. To do the full crafting route, I'd add in "combine with Saronite bars bought on AH" type comments to show how you progress from Stonekeeper's Shards or Emblems or Honor etc to finished, auctionable goods.

Second, I think you should really consider the time spent organizing/crafting/listing/processing all your mats outside of the heroic running time. Obviously this depends on how much "batching" you do before you go through a cycle, but if you assume a 20-heroic run, add back in the time it takes to manage the "back end" of this process before you compute a true gold/hr figure. It'll still be good, but it DOES take time to do this whole workflow.

I can make 1-2,000g a night from my flask business on an alt alchemist, and it's a character that doesn't travel or gather on his own at all. I buy all mats right at the AH and sell flasks right there. It's easy to say, "I just log in, buy mats, craft flasks, then list them and log off", but that whole process might take much longer than the uninitiated might guess. What seems like a quick 5min drill can actually be much longer. Flasks are crafted quickly, but if you've ever tried to empty a mailbox full of 3-400 items, you know how long that can take (even with a good addon).

I also think it might be useful to share with folks if you have bank/crafting on your "mains" team or if that duty is farmed off to banker/crafter characters. My guildies were shocked to learn just how much working space and $$ can be tied up in raw mats if you really get into the AH/crafting game. I have a tailor with a bank and guildbank full of Netherweave Bolts.... my flask character carries 15,000g worth of Frost Lotus alone on him at any given time. One of the advantages of heroic mat farming like this is that you shouldn't have to carry oodles of inventory, but it might be helpful to tell people, "yeah, I watch the titansteel bar market and pounce on a low price situation, spending 5000g if necessary when a deal comes along".

All in all, a great start. It was especially revealing to me, since I know some of the mechanics but just haven't really approached the Heroic running as a business in the same way as my Flask+Netherweave Bag business. It's probably because I'm still actively using honor/badges at times, but I probably do have 140-150 triumph badges on 5 characters that I could convert to cash sooner rather than later...

Thanks, Shodokan

[Shodokan]

A couple points, I think it may be easier to somewhat "start at the end" by explaining to people where the mats you generate from heroics end up. To do the full crafting route, I'd add in "combine with Saronite bars bought on AH" type comments to show how you progress from Stonekeeper's Shards or Emblems or Honor etc to finished, auctionable goods.

Second, I think you should really consider the time spent organizing/crafting/listing/processing all your mats outside of the heroic running time. Obviously this depends on how much "batching" you do before you go through a cycle, but if you assume a 20-heroic run, add back in the time it takes to manage the "back end" of this process before you compute a true gold/hr figure. It'll still be good, but it DOES take time to do this whole workflow.

I can make 1-2,000g a night from my flask business on an alt alchemist, and it's a character that doesn't travel or gather on his own at all. I buy all mats right at the AH and sell flasks right there. It's easy to say, "I just log in, buy mats, craft flasks, then list them and log off", but that whole process might take much longer than the uninitiated might guess. What seems like a quick 5min drill can actually be much longer. Flasks are crafted quickly, but if you've ever tried to empty a mailbox full of 3-400 items, you know how long that can take (even with a good addon).

I also think it might be useful to share with folks if you have bank/crafting on your "mains" team or if that duty is farmed off to banker/crafter characters. My guildies were shocked to learn just how much working space and $$ can be tied up in raw mats if you really get into the AH/crafting game. I have a tailor with a bank and guildbank full of Netherweave Bolts.... my flask character carries 15,000g worth of Frost Lotus alone on him at any given time. One of the advantages of heroic mat farming like this is that you shouldn't have to carry oodles of inventory, but it might be helpful to tell people, "yeah, I watch the titansteel bar market and pounce on a low price situation, spending 5000g if necessary when a deal comes along".

All in all, a great start. It was especially revealing to me, since I know some of the mechanics but just haven't really approached the Heroic running as a business in the same way as my Flask+Netherweave Bag business. It's probably because I'm still actively using honor/badges at times, but I probably do have 140-150 triumph badges on 5 characters that I could convert to cash sooner rather than later...

Thanks, Shodokan

Some decent tips. But as i stated in what i said, almost all materials i get are COD'd to me or bought from a regular supplier for a set under AH market price.

The time to make things really don't exist other than to "craft" the items. Which takes less than 15 minuets. All titansteel mats are put in the gbank and done by a friend as i don't have a miner. But yes there is value lost time i suppose but not as much as say crafting a assload of flasks and listing or re-list them.

Also i don't really watch the AH unless its to check for prices to make sure i'm still paying under the going rate. But like everything dealing with selling on the AH there is the "waiting for payment" period. So that can't be taken into account as the overall devaluation of time for doing that is the same across the board.

[wyofiddler]

Awesome writeup, let me add my sincere thanks for doing this, putting your time into organizing what you do into a readable flow and all that.

I was a little shocked by the reference to 15 min heroics with looting everything as well, I was under the impression that was only possible with full chain pulls and no looting/skinning.

Great info tho, looking forward to putting this all to work :)

[Shodokan]

Awesome writeup, let me add my sincere thanks for doing this, putting your time into organizing what you do into a readable flow and all that.

I was a little shocked by the reference to 15 min heroics with looting everything as well, I was under the impression that was only possible with full chain pulls and no looting/skinning.

Great info tho, looking forward to putting this all to work :)
It is instance specific, but they average 15-20 mins max. Between 3.5 to 4 instances per hour normally. Even with pugs (getting a healer for shits and giggles) i blow through things with only 3-4 extra mins added.

[zenga]

Ret paladins with 8-9k dps on trash tends to do that...glad you liked what i wrote so far.

First off, this is the kind of guide i was looking for. I believe that i'm an 'above average' money making boxer, but thats mainly because i'm a cheap ass (cba to buy epic flying for my guys even tough i can easily afford it) and hardly spend a dime. The thing that i realized after reading this guide is that i hardly use my smith, sewer, miner & bondage toons to make gold, while there is some easy gold there.

Second off, I personally can't keep running hc's for hours at that speed. I'd go bananas. That being said, I'm doing 5K+ average dps per shammy in almost very hc. My raiding shaman can easily pull 8-9k on single target bosses, 60k-ish hp trash is getting 1 shotted, my tank has around 50k hp buffed, and I chain pull mobs as much as I can. My findings: there is little to no difference if i pull 4,5k or 6k on trash. This will gain me maybe a minute in the end. Running through the instances and looting off is the most time consuming part while running hc's, not so much my dps.

But for me it doesn't really matter how much per hour I make. I rather see how much per 20 hc's I make, even if they are spread out over 3 days. And more important how I can increase my return on invested effort.

Thank you for that.

[Shodokan]

Because of the unanamous appreciation of this i will continue the guide. I was considering just leaving this as is due to my time constraints. But after my finals are over you can expect a 30-50 page guide, i will be making it a PDF and read only etc...almost like "publishing" it. It will be a full fledged guide including tips, tricks, secrets (there are still some), boxer specific information (like the heroics) among other things. So look out for that =P

[Tin]

Some nice info

[Seldum]

Thanks for an awesome guide.

It's opportunities like the ones you list Shodokan I really can appreciate you pointing out.
And yes, all markets fluctuates - so one strategy on your server may not work on mine and vice versa.

I used to "play" the ah on my old server, but got tired of it.
I still have a lot to learn in terms of wow, and these kind of guides definitely helps.

[Bloodcloud]

Thanks for the awesome Info in the guide.

- Especially the tip with the "Berserker" enchant.. I got Sh*t loads of Crystals and De'd mats in my enc bank and all the high lvl enchants.

- Since a couple of days I have the

- Still need the badges to buy heirlooms and some T9 kit though :( but I have a good use now for the frozen orbs -> Crusader Orbs :)

[Bloodcloud]

Other good tips are:

some crafting tips are dated, but the excel is nice to put the craft able mats in and play the AH game :)

http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/auction-house-guide-vanish-bugs-comics/
http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/auction-house-guide-inscription/
providing: .xls (Excel) Spreadsheet (http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/september/Enchantements.xls)

[Toned]

I've been doing a lot of what is in your guide already, but I definately picked up a few tricks that I was overlooking so thank you. However, I wish i got 6 greens per heroic I'm averaging like 3 lol.

[Myc]

I've been doing a lot of what is in your guide already, but I definately picked up a few tricks that I was overlooking so thank you. However, I wish i got 6 greens per heroic I'm averaging like 3 lol.

lol ouch, try normals LOL =p I got 9 last night on a normal dungeon.

[Toned]

I did 6 randoms last night and got 15 greens FML. I wasn't skipping trash and I was looting everything lol.

[Kicksome]

Thanks for putting all this info together Shodokan (http://www.dual-boxing.com/member.php?u=30604). Guides are really nice to have.

[Ellay]

Really good information. I definitely can agree instances are doable in 15 min. Nexus shouldn't take too long either...

I never realized how much gold I miss out on though by just selling items instead of breaking them down and creating something. Great to know :)

[succulent]

I've been using frost badges on various alts to buy primordial saronites, which sell for ~1400 or so on Silver Hand. I also auction off cloth and chanting mats from green drops, but mostly vendor bop blues now as dream shard prices are 5g or less.

That's about all I do in terms of using the economy to make cash, up to about 250K g across accounts. The real question becomes what to do with the cash? Every toon that matters already has gear, a chopper, tundra traveler mount, etc.

WTB more stuff to buy!

[Ualaa]

Well... you'll be able to power your professions to 525 in Cataclysm.
Which allows more of the same, from the get-go, to continue the gold accumulation.

Gold lets you buy things, pretty simple.
When a new raid zone comes out, there will be BoE's and you can be amongst the first to have them.
Same idea with Battered Hilts or any other BoE.
Ditto on recipes, except those are also an investment since you will make a profit off of many combines.

I know on my server, there are a lot of highly rated (arena) players, who will sell rating.
You can get a toon to 1800, in 2's for 3-4k in an evening.
If you've been losing (trying to win) in 5's for several weeks, that's an immediate huge weapon upgrade.
Gold opens a lot of doors.

[Yeti Detective Agency]

Great info Shodukan.

Awesome guide!

[Shodokan]

Thanks for the kind words, i'm feeling incredibly sick today so i don't know how much i'll be on or able to write for my next guide. But i'll give you a sample

Karazhan trash
There is a video of a rogue soloing karazhan trash for gold, greens and cloth. This video can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwpdgphqp-8

This is all well and good, but as a boxer we can simply plow through the trash without needing any sort of tricks. You can clear the trash up the stairs and through the doorway up to opera in under 12 minuets so you can get 5 resets per hour. All mobs are undead so s a ret paladin team you can use your holy wrath to stun and do damage making it much easier.

The video claims you make 1000g per hour, but depending on the enchanting mats, netherweave bag prices and server economy this can yield a multi-boxer more than 1000g per hour. It's no "heroic farming" but it is something to change pace and see some old instances :)

I have been doing this before he posted the video on my shaman team so it's not something i learned from others >_> not that it matters either way. I just plow through shit instead of going through all his BS, since we are boxers we have that ability.

The two mobs you kill the most are drop tables:
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=16409
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=16468

[Stabface]

Any tips for looting really fast ? :)

[Velassra]

Thanks for the kind words, i'm feeling incredibly sick today so i don't know how much i'll be on or able to write for my next guide. But i'll give you a sample

Karazhan trash
There is a video of a rogue soloing karazhan trash for gold, greens and cloth. This video can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwpdgphqp-8

This is all well and good, but as a boxer we can simply plow through the trash without needing any sort of tricks. You can clear the trash up the stairs and through the doorway up to opera in under 12 minuets so you can get 5 resets per hour. All mobs are undead so s a ret paladin team you can use your holy wrath to stun and do damage making it much easier.

The video claims you make 1000g per hour, but depending on the enchanting mats, netherweave bag prices and server economy this can yield a multi-boxer more than 1000g per hour. It's no "heroic farming" but it is something to change pace and see some old instances :)

I have been doing this before he posted the video on my shaman team so it's not something i learned from others >_> not that it matters either way. I just plow through shit instead of going through all his BS, since we are boxers we have that ability.

The two mobs you kill the most are drop tables:
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=16409
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=16468

I make soulcloth items on my tailor, get 2/run through here. I sell the vests for about 200g each and basically just use the soul essences w/ a netherweave bolt and rune thread.

[Shodokan]

I make soulcloth items on my tailor, get 2/run through here. I sell the vests for about 200g each and basically just use the soul essences w/ a netherweave bolt and rune thread.

I don't have any soulcloth recipes =P


Any tips for looting really fast ? :)

Put on fast based techno, click to the beat, have a good MS with your server and have auto-loot on
Hit G > autoloot every few seconds (have a macro for this on my g15)

[JackBurton]

Any tips for looting really fast ? http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

xloot addon - open configuration and turn off remove loot frame unless shift is held.
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/xloot.aspx

/click GroupLootFrame1GreedButton
/click StaticPopup1Button1

[Slats]

JB does that select disenchant? :)

I was thinking you could put it on group loot, make all salves pass on loot with Jamba and loot on main, then hit a key to disenchant or greed everything?

Would be very handy. :/

[Shodokan]

JB does that select disenchant? :)

I was thinking you could put it on group loot, make all salves pass on loot with Jamba and loot on main, then hit a key to disenchant or greed everything?

Would be very handy. :/

why not just put it on FFA and loot in combat?

[Toned]

One nice thing about melee teams that are using IWT a lot is they basically auto loot for you lol. Too bad my melee team is only mid 70s :P

[Slats]

Because I dont want to have to manually DE the greens and blues. I just want to auto-de everything I pickup in a heroic.

After I've done a few heroics I tend to find my enchanters bags are full because she is also a scribe so she has alot of other matts in her bag.

Plus everyone has 2 sets of gar etc yada. This is with pretty big bags and 4x Portable Holes on my main.

[Toned]

I have all 20slot + bags for my toons banks. When I'm farming heroics I don't want to have to stop for anything. I bank everything that I DO NOT NEED for heroic farming. This includes quest items/ mats/ pvp gear / 2nd spec gear etc... That way everyone has tons of room, and I can chain run as many heroics as I want without having to stop to vendor etc...

[crowdx]

So I use instance timer to time my heroic runs, so I want to see a video of someone running 3 randoms in a row and getting an average of 15 minutes for 3 - 4 runs. I really think most people are not taking the real run time into account and instead doing guestimates.
So someone up to posting a speeded up version of a 4 man boss dungeon (excluding Gundrak due to it being an exception for speed) where they are doing the runs in 15 minutes? I really want to see this and learn from it if possible.
:)

[Toned]

The way that I have been timing my runs is how often do I refresh pally buffs
in most cases I can run 2 and be already into a 3rd as I refresh. Obviously ther are some heroics that will take 17min to 20min. I feel that the numbers given in his guide are very reasonable. If you are getting slower times maybe it is your gear or grp make up. I do not run a dedicated healer. 4 ele + a sham is a lot of dps I'm 5k + GS on all 5.

[Shodokan]

So I use instance timer to time my heroic runs, so I want to see a video of someone running 3 randoms in a row and getting an average of 15 minutes for 3 - 4 runs. I really think most people are not taking the real run time into account and instead doing guestimates.
So someone up to posting a speeded up version of a 4 man boss dungeon (excluding Gundrak due to it being an exception for speed) where they are doing the runs in 15 minutes? I really want to see this and learn from it if possible.
:)

i got COT 3 times in a row earlier

12 minuets left on timer
10 minuets left on timer
10 minuets left on timer

include 1 minuet for killing malganis afterwards.

Then got AN which was 8 minuets.

Total time: 51 minuets
Total badges: 26

Mmhmms....

Also a similar run the other day.

10 min timer on cot (15 mins)
18 min nexus
15 min gundrak
15 min DTK

Total time: 68 minuets
Total badges: 27

I always time my heroics, i'll do some videos next week sometime if i have some time between studying

[ghonosyph]

I've changed my pally team macros around a bit to be just a spam follow + divine storm type system, so that I can just cruise thru trash a little more efficiently, but even so I still can't loot quickly, I mean given server latency and such it takes an extra 5to 12 seconds to loot big pulls which adds up to around 6 minutes added for most heroics, my times are more like 25 minutes per, tho I know my pallys aren't super geared quite yet lol. I finally got 3 battered hilts bought and will finish the quests tonite on 3 of my paladins which should speed up my runs significantly since they're all in titan steel weapons currently. One thing I've noticed too if I tank on my druid it goes much quicker!

Druid /4 ret pallys might be the best way to go for sheer speed, but I'm still farming gear on all 5 pallys at the moment, lol ! Once I tag another 40 badges on that team I'll prolly take and swap my druid in for my pally tank and pug some 10 mans for him :)

[Silence]

This thread has been most informative.

Keep up the good work.

[jinkobi]

I have all 20slot + bags for my toons banks. When I'm farming heroics I don't want to have to stop for anything. I bank everything that I DO NOT NEED for heroic farming. This includes quest items/ mats/ pvp gear / 2nd spec gear etc... That way everyone has tons of room, and I can chain run as many heroics as I want without having to stop to vendor etc...


The best thing I ever bought was a Travellers Tundra Mammoth. That way you have a vendor right there or can zone out real fast. You'd be surprised how many dungeons have an area you can mount up in these days. For the dungeons that don't one of my slaves is an engineer with scrapbot/Jeeves so I can vendor if I can't get at my mammoth.

That way I never have to stop for supplies and can even carry less supplies food/water/regeants, etc...and can also repair if necessary! Also having an Argent Squire to access bank/mailbox has been quite invaluable as well.

[Toned]

I have jeeves :) You spent 10k gold I did not

[zenga]

I have jeeves :) You spent 10k gold I did not

then calculate how much gold you've spent leveling engineering and how much you have earned with it, compared so spending 1 time 10k :)

[Toned]

Season 5 and 6 it paid off itself in the IWINBUTTON 2s games lolz.

Also made a bunch off Ulduar 10 and 25 when I was only eng in raid :) FL, XT, Mirmiron FTW!

But Ya I get your point well played sir LOL.

[emps]

I have jeeves :) You spent 10k gold I did not

10K for Traveler's? Did they recently just changed the price for this beast?

[jinkobi]

10K for Traveler's? Did they recently just changed the price for this beast?

Still like 20k and goes down with rep to like 16k when you're exalted with Kirin Tor.

I make 10k in a day or 2 and can spend 10k in a day lol. Really not very much in today's WOW economy. No cooldown and what the vendors sell make it totally worth it too me. Like I recently have been taking my old 80 rogue out and it's been so long went to put some poison on his weapons and he had none. Boom whip out the mammoth got anything I need right there ;)

One of my favorite things to do is farm battered hilts. While doing so I accumulate a metric fug ton of grays as well as greens+blue or epic here and there. Your bags fill up so quickly my cooldown on Jeeves wouldn't be off timer yet. What's cool is you can mount up anywhere in PoS and can use the mammoth on the spot. With the Jamba add-on makes unloading all that junk a snap too.

[Diwa]

Thanks for a very informative guide. Knowing that Illidan as the number 1 US server in terms of progression (http://www.wowprogress.com/realms/rank/us) , I bet you've been selling your stuff really really fast. If you do this guide and the market is not that good then you'll be stacking a lot of stuff to the point of undercutting it really low just to free up your bank. I wish I should have considered checking the WoW proression stats before I even started Multiboxing.

[Shodokan]

Thanks for a very informative guide. Knowing that Illidan as the number 1 US server in terms of progression (http://www.wowprogress.com/realms/rank/us) , I bet you've been selling your stuff really really fast. If you do this guide and the market is not that good then you'll be stacking a lot of stuff to the point of undercutting it really low just to free up your bank. I wish I should have considered checking the WoW proression stats before I even started Multiboxing.


I've been playing illidan since the start of BC.

[Shodokan]

Bump for those who haven't seen this yet.

[Drommon]

Thanks for the kind words, i'm feeling incredibly sick today so i don't know how much i'll be on or able to write for my next guide. But i'll give you a sample

Karazhan trash
There is a video of a rogue soloing karazhan trash for gold, greens and cloth. This video can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwpdgphqp-8

This is all well and good, but as a boxer we can simply plow through the trash without needing any sort of tricks. You can clear the trash up the stairs and through the doorway up to opera in under 12 minuets so you can get 5 resets per hour. All mobs are undead so s a ret paladin team you can use your holy wrath to stun and do damage making it much easier.

The video claims you make 1000g per hour, but depending on the enchanting mats, netherweave bag prices and server economy this can yield a multi-boxer more than 1000g per hour. It's no "heroic farming" but it is something to change pace and see some old instances :)

I have been doing this before he posted the video on my shaman team so it's not something i learned from others >_> not that it matters either way. I just plow through shit instead of going through all his BS, since we are boxers we have that ability.

The two mobs you kill the most are drop tables:
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=16409
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=16468


Hey Shodokan,

How do you "clear" or pull in karazhan to get 5 resets? It took me 30 min to clear a couple of levels. This is without attack the bosses.

Or basically how did you do it?

[DLoweinc]

Bumping for good info since this was discussed in other threads today.

[Zub]

did Karazhan last tuesday, it seems the philanthropists are broke now :(

[Harrypott]

Thanks for the great guide Shodokan (http://www.dual-boxing.com/member.php?u=30604).

I was wondering how Northern Cloth Scavenging would go to get a bit more cloth out of each run. I hear around 3 times as much potentially? I've power leveled tailoring on my tank to 325 so he could get it, since I had all the mats in the bank and wasn't ready to level a different Profession so will see how it goes. only l70 but seems rather good so far.