200 WOWs...

[sputnik]

This is my census mining operation that logs on to realms and gathers data about online players. Everything is fully automated, including logging into realms and creating characters.

Each machine is running between 20 and 40 instances of WOW.

The rack is an old picture, we have 2 racks x 7 machines each, plus a shelf with 5.

Rack machine specs:
AMD 64x2 4400 dual cores, 4GB - 8GB RAM, Geforce 7300 - 8500 cards, Windows XP 64, SATA 8MB buffer drives.

http://www.astrocore.com/upload/rack.jpg
http://www.astrocore.com/upload/shelf.jpg
http://www.astrocore.com/upload/instances.jpg

[Shogun]

O.o

why?

[Xzin]

I call bs. No machine runs 20-40 WoWs at once.

[daemonic666]

It's possible.He is doing this with Innerspace as you can see...prolly he was banned in the 2 banwaves this month! Lol

[Heenan]

I don't think data mining is within the spirit of dual-boxing.com.

Are you the level 1 female Orc named Yrgglhaszrr that spams me with WoWGold information?

[sputnik]

Are you the level 1 female Orc named Yrgglhaszrr that spams me with WoWGold information?

yes our characters have random names, but they sound human-ish, we use a name generator that isn't just gibberish chars. no, they don't spam, they quietly sit there doing /whos, then aggregate the data into a database. we then provide server population data to third parties who are interested in that data. Some websites publish that data for free (ad revenue model), then again there is probably at least 1 spammer out there who uses that data to figure out which realms to spam hardest... I can't really prevent that :) And yes, the machines run 40, we have one machine with 8GB ram that runs 50... each instance is set to the lowest graphics settings, and we have the machines totally stripped down, all windows services disabled, etc. Instances don't use very much CPU when minimized (I guess because no precalculations for rendering are taking place?), if you have 3 open and 15 minimized, you can be at 90% cpu, when you minimize the 3, it drops to like 50%...


I don't think data mining is within the spirit of dual-boxing.com.

you have to kill mobs to be "within the spirit"? I felt like sharing my setup, since it's near the edge of the envelope in terms of wows per machine. if anything, we're doing something MORE useful with our WoWs... instead of just killing mindless hours grinding :)

[Shogun]

if anything, we're doing something MORE useful with our WoWs... instead of just killing mindless hours grinding :)

Yeah, providing gold farming companies and spammers with our character names is really useful, thanks for that.

I realise that you don't control where that information ends up, and that it can be acquired elsewhere quite easily, it doesn't stop the fact that it's what you're doing and you contribute. So while it may seem useful to certain people, I'm pretty sure most players can do without it

[sputnik]

i don't provide names, just general statistics, like how many average players there are online at a given time of day on a certain realm, and what the horde/alliance mix is on each server, etc. There are a lot of nice websites out there that provide this information for people who are trying to decide which server to join for starting their first horde char or whatever. Also for raiding minded folks, we know which servers have the most level 70s on at the same time (easiest to get raids put together). I know thottbot gathers this data from in-game plugins like Cosmos, but not everyone runs cosmos, especially new players, so the statistics that are gathered by cosmos thottbot plugin are highly skewed.

[Shogun]

i don't provide names, just general statistics, like how many average players there are online at a given time of day on a certain realm, and what the horde/alliance mix is on each server, etc. There are a lot of nice websites out there that provide this information for people who are trying to decide which server to join for starting their first horde char or whatever. Also for raiding minded folks, we know which servers have the most level 70s on at the same time (easiest to get raids put together).

Fair enough, I guess the spirit of Dual-Boxing as mentioned above though is more meant as the multi-tasking playing experience though ;)

[sputnik]

i don't provide names, just general statistics, like how many average players there are online at a given time of day on a certain realm, and what the horde/alliance mix is on each server, etc. There are a lot of nice websites out there that provide this information for people who are trying to decide which server to join for starting their first horde char or whatever. Also for raiding minded folks, we know which servers have the most level 70s on at the same time (easiest to get raids put together).

Fair enough, I guess the spirit of Dual-Boxing as mentioned above though is more meant as the multi-tasking playing experience though ;)

Before I had this fully automated, I had 2 shifts of 4 guys each working 4 pcs all day logging in and making chars and starting the census script :) They had to multitask like crazy to keep all those bots running... heh

[hapiguy314]

Before I had this fully automated, I had 2 shifts of 4 guys each working 4 pcs all day logging in and making chars and starting the census script :) They had to multitask like crazy to keep all those bots running... heh

These 8 guys - I'm wondering what level they got up to. What instances the multi-tasked simultaneously per client window that can provide resources to the Dual-Boxing community in terms of strats & advice.

I thought this community is for those kinds of "multi-tasking" not for census data mining "multi-tasking." I really don't see any progress with their multi tasking considering any information they gather is sold to third parties - not to mention it doesn't involve any ingame progress or growth of the character they create.

Then again - it's not my website and I'm not one to say how it should be limited / expanded to.

Just my 2 cp.

[Runiat]

So how do you set up the accounts? I'd guess at trial-accounts, but doesn't it take a payment option to activate them?

Oh and can you name a few of those sites or just tell me what EU PvP or RPPvP server has got the most hordies on it? I'm considering to start on a new realm and theoretically the factions should rebalance eventually - just hoping to reach lvl 140 (70*2) before that happens.


I call bs. No machine runs 20-40 WoWs at once.
Then again your definition of running it requires actual movement, which he obviously doesn't. If you're prepared to go to a ridiculously low res and 2 FPS it should be possible..

[Kektek]

It's truly amazing to see how quickly a really creative, open-minded idea can spinoff into it's own community of judgmental, closed-minded critics. I just learned about multiboxing recently, and thought it was one of the coolest ideas I've ever come across, and not just in Warcraft terms.

Yet in my first hour of exploring this new idea, I find people who are already ready and willing to define the activity as "THIS" and certainly not "THAT." There are plenty of people who would call the entire multiboxing community a bunch of hacks and cheaters for creating an innovative way of playing, and yet that same community would again turn around and criticize someone else for presenting a related modification that "well, isn't what WE do."

I created this account just to comment on that detestable attitude. I don't really plan on posting here any more, but I do think you critics need to rethink why you're doing what you're doing in the first place. Multiboxing was born out of a positive, creative force, and that's certainly not what you're fostering.

[Shogun]

I don't think anyone's directly attacking the guy, but more questioning his motives, he is after all doing this to sell information rather than game. And if you read the banner above the forums "Dual-Boxing, Gaming elevated to the next level". But hey, each to his own

[sputnik]

I don't think anyone's directly attacking the guy, but more questioning his motives, he is after all doing this to sell information rather than game. And if you read the banner above the forums "Dual-Boxing, Gaming elevated to the next level". But hey, each to his own

As previously stated, I felt like sharing my hardware setup, and how many WOWs it's possible to run per PC. Whether you "agree" with what I'm doing or not, I don't really care. Personally, I think making money is a lot more important than rotting in front of a computer playing games 16 hours a day. If you're already making enough to be financially independent - great - then you can game all you want :) If you feel like you have nothing to gain by reading this thread, then move on to the next thread.

Another fun pic of hardware upgrades during tuesday realm maintenance window:

http://www.astrocore.com/upload/computer.jpg

[Shogun]

I don't think anyone's directly attacking the guy, but more questioning his motives, he is after all doing this to sell information rather than game. And if you read the banner above the forums "Dual-Boxing, Gaming elevated to the next level". But hey, each to his own

As previously stated, I felt like sharing my hardware setup, and how many WOWs it's possible to run per PC. Whether you "agree" with what I'm doing or not, I don't really care. Personally, I think making money is a lot more important than rotting in front of a computer playing games 16 hours a day. If you're already making enough to be financially independent - great - then you can game all you want :) If you feel like you have nothing to gain by reading this thread, then move on to the next thread.

Another fun pic of hardware upgrades during tuesday realm maintenance window:

http://www.astrocore.com/upload/computer.jpg

I have nightmares just thinking about the upgrades and reinstalls I have to do this weekend... Can't imagine how much chaos that would cause in my head :P

As for the setup, I agree it's interesting to see how many instances of WoW you can run on each machine, and how much the logging in and character creation can be automated. I guess it's just the stigma that people who do things in-game to make cash get tarred with, bots and farmers bad rep carrying over I guess.

And I barely have time to play 4-5 hours a day, let alone 16, I work full time, married, etc :)

How does the information gathering work btw? You log into a realm with a new character, say alliance, do /who *realm name* and lvl/class etc a few times, that info is collected, then log a horde character on that same realm and do the same again? How long does a full cycle of all realms take for example? (using all PCs and instances)

[sputnik]

There is a central server which assigns account/passwords, realms, and horde or alliance. Each bot communicates with the central server, logs in, creates a character based on the instructions from the central server, performs /who's (the exact whos I do are top secret... hehe), inserts the data to a MySQL database, then logs back to the character selection screen and asks for a new realm to be assigned from the central server. A full cycle of 440 total servers (220 servers x 2 (horde/alliance)) takes about 4 hours, mainly because we have to slow things down, if you're logging in and performing commands too fast and then logging out quickly and logging back in, eventually the realm server gets pissed and starts throwing errors. Also, the cycle sometimes is shorter if some realms are down, the central assigning server uses blizzard's realmstatus.xml to decide what realms to assign out. We end up having to do many cycles, partially because not all chars are on at once, and partially because the /who doesn't get everyone, for example if you do /who ab or /who [zone] or /who [level], you might get more than 50 results, and even if you /who [zone] [level] you might still get more than 50 results.

[zanthor]

There is a central server which assigns account/passwords, realms, and horde or alliance. Each bot communicates with the central server, logs in, creates a character based on the instructions from the central server, performs /who's (the exact whos I do are top secret... hehe), inserts the data to a MySQL database, then logs back to the character selection screen and asks for a new realm to be assigned from the central server. A full cycle of 440 total servers (220 servers x 2 (horde/alliance)) takes about 4 hours, mainly because we have to slow things down, if you're logging in and performing commands too fast and then logging out quickly and logging back in, eventually the realm server gets pissed and starts throwing errors. Also, the cycle sometimes is shorter if some realms are down, the central assigning server uses blizzard's realmstatus.xml to decide what realms to assign out. We end up having to do many cycles, partially because not all chars are on at once, and partially because the /who doesn't get everyone, for example if you do /who ab or /who [zone] or /who [level], you might get more than 50 results, and even if you /who [zone] [level] you might still get more than 50 results.

Just an odd question, but wouldn't it be more efficient to datamine the Armory?

[Xzin]

Or just use a single account?

[sputnik]

Or just use a single account?

you can't log in a single account more than once, each script takes some time to run - about 30 minutes - because if it does /who commands too fast it will be kicked off the server. so, we run about 200 scripts in mass parallel.

[Heenan]

It's truly amazing to see how quickly a really creative, open-minded idea can spinoff into it's own community of judgmental, closed-minded critics. I just learned about multiboxing recently, and thought it was one of the coolest ideas I've ever come across, and not just in Warcraft terms.

Yet in my first hour of exploring this new idea, I find people who are already ready and willing to define the activity as "THIS" and certainly not "THAT." There are plenty of people who would call the entire multiboxing community a bunch of hacks and cheaters for creating an innovative way of playing, and yet that same community would again turn around and criticize someone else for presenting a related modification that "well, isn't what WE do."

I created this account just to comment on that detestable attitude. I don't really plan on posting here any more, but I do think you critics need to rethink why you're doing what you're doing in the first place. Multiboxing was born out of a positive, creative force, and that's certainly not what you're fostering.

Whoa, simmah down now.

I never stated that I was unimpressed with this set up. I'm a hardware junkie, and I live for seeing pictures of rooms like this.

And if "there are plenty of people who would call the entire multiboxing community a bunch of hacks and cheaters" then they are uneducated. My friend and I get reported daily, to no avail. Blizzard has stated many times via their GMs that this is acceptable. We pad their active account numbers. Blizzard loves us.

Also, I think if you're a member here, that you support multi-boxing and any endeavor that would improve its performance. I certainly do. If someone can come in and tell me how to do it better then I am all for it.

But when you start throwing around "data mining", people immediately think spam and gold farming. That, to me, is not what this community is about. And whether or not money is being made doesn't necessarily mean that it's a respectable way of making money.

The way sputnik has posted doesn't seem shady to me though. And I would like to continue seeing the way his hardware progresses. I am interested in the tech being used, since there may be a way for me to multi-box more efficiently.

[Xzin]

I note the use of Innerspace. Even still, my dual core machines can handle 8 WoWs at once. So 10ish I could see, even if load times are killer. But 20 - 40 WoWs at once, per box?

I just don't see how it is possible. Maybe something about Innerspace that disables graphics, turning it into a text only game? Still.

Interesting setup, I suppose, even if it goes counter to what this site is about.

[Scribbler]

As long as he doesn't maximize them all at once he should be fine, doesn't rape your system too much whilst minimized.

[Kaldris]

Yeah I can see them all being able to be run if they were scaled down in graphics as much as possible and you only had one main controller to overview all of the other profiles currently active, maximizing more then 3 of them would probably kill your computer with all the system req's it would cost ya.

[Suribusi]

I note the use of Innerspace. Even still, my dual core machines can handle 8 WoWs at once. So 10ish I could see, even if load times are killer. But 20 - 40 WoWs at once, per box?

I just don't see how it is possible. Maybe something about Innerspace that disables graphics, turning it into a text only game? Still.

Interesting setup, I suppose, even if it goes counter to what this site is about.

Yes, Innerspace provides easy ways to size game windows. So you can have them all at like 300x200 res (or whatever). Also, the extension tailored to World of Warcraft allows you to disable the renderer. Using this it is easily possible to get 20 per box with like 6-8gigs of ram on a 64bit OS. I could even see 30+ if you were just standing there doing a census or whatever. But if you have to actually do gameplay (grinding/farming), then around 20 is where you would have to draw the line for performance. Basically the bottle neck is CPU more than anything in this scenario.

There are tons of benefits to how some apps work for multiboxing (synergy, multibox, innerspace, etc). Innerspace is lightyears beyond any of the others as far as multiboxing goes, but the price is that you will end up banned. So it is nothing that I would recommend anyone in this community even looking in to. In fact, stay away from it. :wink:

But yes, you can use Innerspace to accomplish what he is doing.

-S

[Runiat]

I created this account just to comment
Yes, this seems to be the new trend.

Now how much attention would you pay to someone stepping into your local pub and explaining, with a strong French accent, that no one of your nationality knew the first thing about alchoholic beverages and that your beer wasn't fit for pig-feeding?

Oh you'd pay full attention so that you could, on hypothetical slow nights sometime in the future, bring up the matter and quote him accurately to get a good laugh?

Yeah, that's the kinda attention you're getting here, except that we don't need to pay attention to quote you, there's a search-function and copy-paste to do that for us!

[Killmour]

Just an odd question, but wouldn't it be more efficient to datamine the Armory?

There is a site out there thats doing that now. It has not really been realised to its full potential (mining up people in raiding gear etc) all its doing now is mining stats, and chars.

I have a feeling he put together his huge mess of crap before the armory came out.

[Flight]

It's truly amazing to see how quickly a really creative, open-minded idea can spinoff into it's own community of judgmental, closed-minded critics. I just learned about multiboxing recently, and thought it was one of the coolest ideas I've ever come across, and not just in Warcraft terms.

Yet in my first hour of exploring this new idea, I find people who are already ready and willing to define the activity as "THIS" and certainly not "THAT." There are plenty of people who would call the entire multiboxing community a bunch of hacks and cheaters for creating an innovative way of playing, and yet that same community would again turn around and criticize someone else for presenting a related modification that "well, isn't what WE do."

I created this account just to comment on that detestable attitude. I don't really plan on posting here any more, but I do think you critics need to rethink why you're doing what you're doing in the first place. Multiboxing was born out of a positive, creative force, and that's certainly not what you're fostering.


I agree absolutely with the spirit of what you are saying Kektek. I've been boxing since '99 and 5 boxing since soon after that. Even my best friends in guild thought it was a terrible thing to do back then.


The bottom line is we do need some guide lines or what we do can destroy games and economies.

For me there is no fine line here, its quite black and white. And its easily stated in two words.


No bots.


Simple as. No matter what you do in game or how many characters or instances of the game you run it should be under your control and within the rules and guidelines that the game makers set.


Secondly, no for real life profit operations.




I don't state these off the cuff or with no aforethought. After years and thousands of hours searching for options for many multiplayer games, both legal and non legal, I can tell you that as soon as these two rules are broken, its a very fast slippery slope to breaking games and destroying them not only for yourself, but for other people too.



And its not hard. It takes little skill. When compared to legitimately running multiple character teams within the rules determined by the game makers.

[Scribbler]

Secondly, no for real life profit operations.

Dunno about you, but I personaly love the feeling when the game I enjoy playing brings me in a bit of extra money each month (pays for itself, at the very least) :)

[Suribusi]

It's truly amazing to see how quickly a really creative, open-minded idea can spinoff into it's own community of judgmental, closed-minded critics. I just learned about multiboxing recently, and thought it was one of the coolest ideas I've ever come across, and not just in Warcraft terms.

Yet in my first hour of exploring this new idea, I find people who are already ready and willing to define the activity as "THIS" and certainly not "THAT." There are plenty of people who would call the entire multiboxing community a bunch of hacks and cheaters for creating an innovative way of playing, and yet that same community would again turn around and criticize someone else for presenting a related modification that "well, isn't what WE do."

I created this account just to comment on that detestable attitude. I don't really plan on posting here any more, but I do think you critics need to rethink why you're doing what you're doing in the first place. Multiboxing was born out of a positive, creative force, and that's certainly not what you're fostering.


I agree absolutely with the spirit of what you are saying Kektek. I've been boxing since '99 and 5 boxing since soon after that. Even my best friends in guild thought it was a terrible thing to do back then.


The bottom line is we do need some guide lines or what we do can destroy games and economies.

For me there is no fine line here, its quite black and white. And its easily stated in two words.


No bots.


Simple as. No matter what you do in game or how many characters or instances of the game you run it should be under your control and within the rules and guidelines that the game makers set.


Secondly, no for real life profit operations.




I don't state these off the cuff or with no aforethought. After years and thousands of hours searching for options for many multiplayer games, both legal and non legal, I can tell you that as soon as these two rules are broken, its a very fast slippery slope to breaking games and destroying them not only for yourself, but for other people too.



And its not hard. It takes little skill. When compared to legitimately running multiple character teams within the rules determined by the game makers.


While I agree with mostly what you are saying, the problem is that it has little to know stability. In the bussines of MMO's there is no such thing as 'legit'. Their definition is 'what we haven't already classified as illegal'. The way you've been playing might be fine now, but could be illegal tomorrow. The only thing we have to go with is "likelyhood" of it not becoming illegal. The big problem is...you don't find out it has become illegal until after the fact.

One day multibox could become illegal, that would put a world of hurt over a lot of people here, myself included. There are apps that do the exact same thing as multibox that are currently illegal because some people wrote a mod to it that allows for automation. The vanilla app was written before WoW was even announced, but because of some other mod out there using the core of the app and extending it to mod the game, you are probably banned for using it today (yes, I am referring to innerspace)

We live at the whim of people who don't care or understand us or what we do. But I think I can say that Xzin and those using his methods (hardware only) are the only ones who 'shouldn't' get smacked with a ban. Multibox I think is highly unlikely...but is not immune.

(I've had some alcohol so forgive me if I am totaly not saying anything relevant, :wink: )

-S

[sputnik]

breaking games and destroying them

to whom, to you? It's a game... get over it.


Secondly, no for real life profit operations. And its not hard. It takes little skill.

When you successfully bring in $5 mil a year, let me know. Your attitude is synonymous with every other broke loser i've ever met... "making money is easy... and i'm broke because I choose to be". Anyone who said money is the root of all evil - doesn't have any.

I never see an end to losers on the internet ranting about how the 'capitalists', whether it be gold farmers, makers of bots like Glider, powerleveling, etc are "ruining" their game. You should look with great inspiration to people who turn hundreds of thousands of dollars a year buying and selling property in SecondLife - that's right, speculating - and wonder what it is they're doing right that you're doing wrong. The world is quickly turning towards massive virtual economies and virtual barter as the status quo, so you better get used to virtual commerce. After all, money is just that - a common currency that can be exchanged into ANYTHING. Therefore, if you want ANYTHING in life, then acquiring the financial means to do so is pretty high up on the priority list. Then again, if you want nothing from life and have no aspirations or ambitions, then you're just another loser.

[Scribbler]

I've been earning on WoW for over a year now, the only time I was reported was when I afk'd AV for my own benefits, never had anyone moan about me, most people I play with don't even know I'm earning. :)

It's the sdjfpoijwer NE hunters with their boar pets that ruin the game :P

[acidie]

I agree absolutely with the spirit of what you are saying Kektek. I've been boxing since '99 and 5 boxing since soon after that. Even my best friends in guild thought it was a terrible thing to do back then.


The bottom line is we do need some guide lines or what we do can destroy games and economies.

For me there is no fine line here, its quite black and white. And its easily stated in two words.


No bots.


Simple as. No matter what you do in game or how many characters or instances of the game you run it should be under your control and within the rules and guidelines that the game makers set.


Secondly, no for real life profit operations.




I don't state these off the cuff or with no aforethought. After years and thousands of hours searching for options for many multiplayer games, both legal and non legal, I can tell you that as soon as these two rules are broken, its a very fast slippery slope to breaking games and destroying them not only for yourself, but for other people too.



And its not hard. It takes little skill. When compared to legitimately running multiple character teams within the rules determined by the game makers.

The saddest thing I find with this line of thinking is all you actually accomplish is to retard the development of new and innovative ways of doing things, new ways such as multiboxing.

Personally you sound like a pissed off fanboy. Sure each to there own, but seriously, look at what your saying. Apart from being grossly inaccurate its just ignorant.

Personally I think the whole point of multiboxing is to push the barriers and try to be on the frontier of what is possible.

What botters and multiboxers do is such a grey area anyway, its ludicrous to point fingers.

acidie

[clesven]

Can you post more pictures of the setup and hardware? How much revenue do you make from this. Seems awesome :D .

[Mannyman]

Blizzard has been banning people wholesale for using IS. That would really suck if they banned all his accounts, that's a lot of $$ down the drain.

[Fog]

When you successfully bring in $5 mil a year, let me know. Your attitude is synonymous with every other broke loser i've ever met... "making money is easy... and i'm broke because I choose to be". Anyone who said money is the root of all evil - doesn't have any.

I never see an end to losers on the internet ranting about how the 'capitalists', whether it be gold farmers, makers of bots like Glider, powerleveling, etc are "ruining" their game. You should look with great inspiration to people who turn hundreds of thousands of dollars a year buying and selling property in SecondLife - that's right, speculating - and wonder what it is they're doing right that you're doing wrong. The world is quickly turning towards massive virtual economies and virtual barter as the status quo, so you better get used to virtual commerce. After all, money is just that - a common currency that can be exchanged into ANYTHING. Therefore, if you want ANYTHING in life, then acquiring the financial means to do so is pretty high up on the priority list. Then again, if you want nothing from life and have no aspirations or ambitions, then you're just another loser.

I don't mind being a loser. I have all the money I need, but that doesn't change the fact that I am a loser. I was intrigued of what you do up untill the post quoted.

[clesven]

Sorry, wrong guy.

[Suribusi]

Blizzard has been banning people wholesale for using IS. That would really suck if they banned all his accounts, that's a lot of $$ down the drain.

Actually this is inaccurate. People aren't, and have never been, banned for using IS. They are banned for using naughty extensions that allow for automation among other things. IS is just a platform, like windows.

-S

[Xzin]

What EXACTLY is IS? Is it a development platform for DX games? To allow for all kinds of hooks and automation of said DX games?

I don't totally understand what it *IS* exactly.

[sofalord]

think it is IS = Information Service... (edit .. it isn't :( )

but i dont really understand why he use 200 wow's
realtime info about chars isn't nessessary ...

i want to see the hardware rack ;)

please post a pic

cu later

[Wilbur]

IS=InnerSpace a DirectX development platform. ISXWoW is the Extension which provides World of Warcraft-specific functionality. You can use it to Automate, make longer macros, pretty much anything you can program, you can do. People got banned for using ISXWoW and ISXWarden (the module which stealths Innerspace from Warden) recently, the only Innerspace banwave since the inception of ISXWarden. I wouldn't advise the use of it for legitimate Multi-boxers, but if you don't mind breaking the EULA, then there's few better tools for Multiboxing out there.

[Mannyman]

Actually this is inaccurate. People aren't, and have never been, banned for using IS. They are banned for using naughty extensions that allow for automation among other things. IS is just a platform, like windows.

-S

People have been getting banned left and right in the last few months for simply having IS running when WoW is up, mods or no mods loaded. In Blizzard's view, there is no acceptable reason to have it running while playing WoW. If you were Blizzard, and noticed someone running IS, what possible explanation would you accept before banning them? Hell, it's right on their website, "Automate processes" in big bold print. I don't think saying that it sorts your email in the background will fly.


I also know this first hand because my friend used IS all the time. I could tell it was obviously illegal from the things he was able to do with it(300 yard onscreen radar of other players, herbs, etc? LOL). That's how I recognized the little red tray icon. He didn't bot, just used the radar, and got banned nonetheless. Really sad though, since his guild was WAY up there in pve progression:(

[Wilbur]

People have been getting banned left and right in the last few months for simply having IS running when WoW is up, mods or no mods loaded.

To be honest, if you are running Innerspace without ISXWarden loaded, you are an idiot who shouldn't even be using Innerspace in the first place and you fully deserve the ban.

[sputnik]

more boxporn:

http://www.astrocore.com/racka.jpg

[Wilbur]

I want :-(

Would you mind telling us what specs those machines are?

[Xzin]

I love the rank mount cases. As cheap as humanly possible while still being rack mounted :)

Still a bunch more expensive than regular non rack mounted cases though :)

[sputnik]

at $200, they're a lot cheaper than the first rack case I bought in 2001 which was $800. You get what you pay for. These cases are very well designed and have shockproof bumpers for the drive cages, fans positioned to blow across each set of drives, and massive intake/exhaust fans to pull through the case. Unlike a normal case, these cases are designed to be stacked directly adjoining to other red-hot machines and not fry the innards.


Specs per machine are AMD 64x2 4400+ dual cores, 8GB DDR2 800mhz ram, ATI x1950GT 512MB cards. We actually just got in another shipment of machines so now there's 23 machines with 40-50 WoWs each....

[hapiguy314]

Any info on where to by these racks? Thanks!

[Bena]

sputnik: what os are you running on the amds?

[Xzin]

These are them or close:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811117106

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-117-106-03.jpg

[Darthette]

I think it's cool.

I seriously wish I was making soem cash instead of just spending :)

$75 a month!

$900 a year!!!!!

Not sure I will do this for very long. I was just bored with what I was doing.

Once we can pay to change hairstyles... I won't need as many alts!!! lol

[sputnik]

sputnik: what os are you running on the amds?

Master Server: Windows Vista 64
Node Machines: Windows XP 64

[beyond-tec]

wow

nice one

@sputnik:
don't you get problems with the temperature of the servers because you don't have any space between them?