I think random BGs just about killed PvP for me

[defactoman]

I'll start off by saying I enjoy the random BG option. It rewards people for taking a chance and gets some play time on lesser used BGs. That said the way the system works now will cause me to unsub if it isn't fixed or tweaked.

Basically the way it stands now, ill never be able to choose the BG i want to play ever again. I waited over an hour for AV and WSG (small and large BG for a test) and neither popped. If i want to play WSG i have to take my chances with the random BG queuing system which "MAY" eventually get me to my desired BG.

Here's how the system should work.

1) I queue for AV
2) I wait for a random AV group to form.
3) All people specifically queued to AV get priority access and it fills up with randoms who get extra honor as a reward
4) I get the battleground I want, random people get a random BG + extra honor.

But as it stands now this isn't happening. I'm hoping that this is an oversight that will be resolved.

Edit - Blue confirms it's a bug:
There's a known bug that isn't properly incorporating random battleground queuers with those choosing specific battlegrounds. This can lead to queue times that are longer than what they should be.

A hotfix is in the process of being developed and we anticipate it should be applied within the next day or two.

ed - To clarify, this can create a longer queue time for those choosing specific battlegrounds.

[cmeche]

I was haveing crazy issues with random que and "normal" que for my party. The only one that would pop a BG was my main.....and some times it would pop a random even though I selected "AV".

Really was throwing me off.....

[defactoman]

Have you been able to get into a specific BG yet? or only with the random?

[Ualaa]

There's a good chance the system is bugged, and this is not the final behavior.
They did just bring it in, in today's patch.

[Kicksome]

I agree, I think it's bugged. I couldn't even Q for AV last night. It would pop up a random BG on my main, and nothing on my alts.

[Fat Tire]

I dont understand, whats wrong with random? Extra honor and very little wait time.



Are most muti boxers not comfortable doing anything other than AV?

[Budkin]

Blizz is really killing pvp, Much more and i think ill find a new game. I hate games that patch tell there games no fun any more.
Not being able to see how many games are going really blows .Guess that's blizz's way of stopping the complaints about low bg numbers lol if ya don't see them hard to complain.
They killed the pvp on pvp servers with the random group crap nobody leaves town now. The ruined the twinks
,I'm beting the rated bgs will be a big cluster .Glorified wow Olympics that will favor runners not fighters ,All the bgs are setup with ways to win with out fighting lol .Random bgs are fine for the daily but really suk in the big picture.:(

[Seraphaw]

Are most muit boxers not comfortable doing anything other than AV?

Speaking for myself, as soon as I join a BG that's 15 people or less 50% of the players start moaning about how they are going to lose because of multiboxers. Crappy attitudes from randoms are a big turnoff.

[suprafro]

Unfortunately with this new system it now seems very difficult to queue up with friends as a 5boxer. Qing for a random together won't work, so your only option is that you all q for a specific battleground...and because everyone else is just running the random battleground at this point the specific battlegrounds will never populate unless MAYBE it is on holiday

Kinda stinks if your a multiboxer who enjoyed running BGs with other people

[Fat Tire]

In all honesty, I think most people do the honor grind to get the gear and get out. With honor being so easy now and getting more honor from choosing the random I think that the single queue might get better after a bit of time has passed, but not much. Unless its a holidays as suprafro said.

I think blizzard figured this out and thus took a bigger pool of people to get queues going faster. If 10 people are waiting for AV,5 for WSG etc. everyone is going to be waiting forever. WIth the random system it gets games going quicker, you just may not like the one randomed. ;p

However, with honor being so easy now there is really no reason to spend a month gearing out a new team. It could be done much much sooner now and I like that .

[Eloxy]

I think this new system is realy nice. It reduced my quetimes and i get more honor =) win win
Allthough u get some of the bg's u might not prefere but thats life ;)

[Fat Tire]

I think this new system is realy nice. It reduced my quetimes and i get more honor =) win win
Allthough u get some of the bg's u might not prefere but thats life ;)

Phew! I thought I was going to be the only person on the planet that thinks the random system is a good change.

[Mosg2]

I love it. I hate SotA but I love the system overall :)

[Eloxy]

I love it. I hate SotA but I love the system overall :)

this

well i do wim like 90% of my sota's but the whole split up team thingy in the start just ruins the fun :D

[defactoman]

I actually think the random BG is a good change, however they could tweak it to easily accommodate people who might prefer a specific battleground.

Generally after your gear grind is all said and done, and honor is pointless except for a money machine... id think most people would prefer to use that gear to do something they enjoy from time to time and the system should accommodate it. In my case, I like to PvP in a BG of my choice and maybe arena a little.

[Fat Tire]

Generally after your gear grind is all said and done, and honor is pointless except for a money machine... id think most people would prefer to use that gear to do something they enjoy from time to time and the system should accommodate it. In my case, I like to PvP in a BG of my choice and maybe arena a little.


Where does it say it doesnt? Like when the daily was IoC and it never popped all day because people never queued for it. Kinda like that?

[defactoman]

Where does it say it doesnt?

It doesn't say it, but its what's happening (hopefully its a bug as stated earlier) and the overall issue I have with the system.

You can't individually queue for a battleground and have it come up (or at least i don't know anyone who has). For example, I can queue to AV, but unless 79 other people also do it (if i'm single queuing), it's not going to pop. What i'm hoping it's supposed to do is fill the BG with people who signed up for random and don't care what BG they get - or at the very least slip you into a randomly created AV game, something like the PvE system does.

[Fat Tire]

It doesn't say it, but its what's happening (hopefully its a bug as stated earlier) and the overall issue I have with the system.

You can't individually queue for a battleground and have it come up (or at least i don't know anyone who has). For example, I can queue to AV, but unless 79 other people also do it (if i'm single queuing), it's not going to pop. What i'm hoping it's supposed to do is fill the BG with people who signed up for random and don't care what BG they get - or at the very least slip you into a randomly created AV game, something like the PvE system does.

You can, I tested it out. It took 55 mins to get into an AV game single queue. Did it while I was lurking DB forums this morning after I read that people here where having a hard time queuing when I was getting almost instant via random. ;p

[defactoman]

You can, I tested it out. It took 55 mins to get into an AV game single queue. Did it while I was lurking DB forums this morning after I read that people here where having a hard time queuing when I was getting almost instant via random. ;p

Glad you got in! I waited last night about 68 minutes and also tried group queuing with some friends (5 of us in total) for WSG and AB which never popped after about 35 minutes when we gave up and did the random.

[Fat Tire]

Glad you got in! I waited last night about 68 minutes and also tried group queuing with some friends (5 of us in total) for WSG and AB which never popped after about 35 minutes when we gave up and did the random.

Many people are getting in, read the forums or trade chat about people doing single queues, but most are bitching about times and how unfair it is and that they only like wsg.


Actually, it looks like the random and single q people are being put into different groups. So its a product of people selectively queuing random bgs over single queue. I could be wrong but I think there is limitation in trying to reintegrate the groups. /shrug



I just wish they added pvp weapons to this patch.

[drevil]

yes, blizzard did it again... they made it worst.

well, it's no secret they want keep pvp low in the game, pve is so much easier to handle.

[thefunk]

funny, i thought i'd navigated to the wow forums for a second...

[Eloxy]

Comon guys =D its not that bad, you got more honor adn you complain?

If u wanna do a single specefic bg it is not as good as it used to be, but this im pretty sure is a bug.
If u use the random tool, its swift and u get all the bgs and fast honor. Yeah you do get wsg ab and sota wich is harder for us, but just look at it like some free training. PvP is more than av zergs =)

[mrmcgee21]

I'm pretty sure breaking direct queues was intentional for the time being in an effort to get people to try the random queue system and learn to like it, because if everything stayed entrenched queuing for AV all day the whole thing might not work as well as it does. That being said, I like the new system, I like not having to wait 15 minutes between each BG anymore and I was already rotating bg's before this change for two reasons. Faster honor from the marks ( now from the random system ) and learning to adapt my setup to different situations, not just face-rolling on my keyboard behind a wall of team-mates one shotting under-geared people in AV.

Considering we just got a way to farm honor 2x faster or better I'm really surprised how negative some people are about the change. I know the smaller bg's can suck, at first, if your under-geared but they really can make you a better boxer if you learn how to play them competitively I believe.

[defactoman]

Considering we just got a way to farm honor 2x faster or better I'm really surprised how negative some people are about the change. I know the smaller bg's can suck, at first, if your under-geared but they really can make you a better boxer if you learn how to play them competitively I believe.

That's because it's not about the honor gain. I actually dont think anyone is unhappy about the random queuing with extra rewards (at least i'm not). It's about the side effect of that process that makes queue times for a specific battleground very very high, basically forcing everyone to use it when they might want to just queue with some friends for a quick game of WSG before work.

[Fat Tire]

I'm pretty sure breaking direct queues was intentional for the time being in an effort to get people to try the random queue system and learn to like it, because if everything stayed entrenched queuing for AV all day the whole thing might not work as well as it does. That being said, I like the new system, I like not having to wait 15 minutes between each BG anymore and I was already rotating bg's before this change for two reasons. Faster honor from the marks ( now from the random system ) and learning to adapt my setup to different situations, not just face-rolling on my keyboard behind a wall of team-mates one shotting under-geared people in AV.

Considering we just got a way to farm honor 2x faster or better I'm really surprised how negative some people are about the change. I know the smaller bg's can suck, at first, if your under-geared but they really can make you a better boxer if you learn how to play them competitively I believe.

I agree

and sig worthy


Edit: I can certainly understand some peoples frustration though. Its almost like the XP shut off or the twink BG queues and we all know how that has turned out.


Edit2: On Nightfall I did a queue solo(not random) just now for wsg and waited 6min. Things are not so bad. ;p

[Littleburst]

There are 2 different motivations to do a battlegrounds which get mixed up here.

1. fun, enjoy it.
2. honor farming.

Yes, it's nice to get more honor. No it's not nice if you get more honor but you don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy sota, i don't care if i get 5 times the honor if we win, i'd rather play 5 AV's because i enjoy them.

posted on the wowforums:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12947157107&sid=1

I enjoyed the old system for 2 reasons:
1. Play whatever BG i want. See how many Battlegrounds are active atm so you can estimate the queue time. and be able to join a BG friends are in(like point 2).
2. Group up with friends(more then 5 in general) and have a blast.

Both aren't possible anymore.

Advantages from this system that people do more different Battlegrounds now, but whatever BG you liked, you could play them all without a to insane queue. So the only REAL advantage is more honor.

Isn't it possible to combine best of both and merge both systems. It would come down to just having the old system + the 'join random BG option. in the battlegrounds tab.

If you queue for a random BG you get put in a random BG, for example AV. If someone queue'd for AV specificly he can get an invite aswell, instead of having OR people from the random BG, OR having people who queue'd for a specific BG.

Then everyone can do whatever he wants.
+ You're rid of the people who get Sota as random BG and don't even touch a tank in defense or offense, but just mindlessly grind till the BG is over because they don't like BG. Which is only increasing at the moment.

Constructive replies are more then welcome.Especially the increasing amount of brainless retards ignoring all objectives and just killing alliance.

edit: yes, if this doesn't get changed my wow future seems doubtfull aswell.

[Stealthy]

There are 2 different motivations to do a battlegrounds which get mixed up here.

1. fun, enjoy it.
2. honor farming.

Yes, it's nice to get more honor. No it's not nice if you get more honor but you don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy sota, i don't care if i get 5 times the honor if we win, i'd rather play 5 AV's because i enjoy them.

posted on the wowforums:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12947157107&sid=1
Especially the increasing amount of brainless retards ignoring all objectives and just killing alliance.

edit: yes, if this doesn't get changed my wow future seems doubtfull aswell.

This pretty much sums it up for me as well, although I'm not thinking of cancelling yet. :)

Cheers,
S.

[Fat Tire]

....and yet nothing is stopping anyone from just queuing for their favorite battleground. Just bitching about the time they have to wait.

[defactoman]

I gotta do something while I wait for the queue time that is "unavailable" :P It won't let me queue for a random BG while I wait either.
But seriously, as i said earlier in the thread, as of this moment I still haven't been able to get into any battleground (without using random). So you say there's nothing stopping me, except the number of hours I have to wait I suppose.

[Stealthy]

....and yet nothing is stopping anyone from just queuing for their favorite battleground. Just bitching about the time they have to wait.

You're missing the point...there is no visibility into how many instances particular battleground are running now. Previously you could use that info to estimate how long the queue would be. For me, this would be determining factor in what I would do with my toons next.

Take AV for example - many active instances would mean a short queue time, so I'm not going to jump into a heroic with my team, or even queue up at all if WG is in 10 minutes. Conversely, if there are only 1 or 2 instances running, I know the queue time will be long, so I might go and run dailies, or not bother queuing and do something on a different team.

I think random BG's are a good idea, and of course I like the extra honor. However I like being able to make an informed decision as well. The implementation needs a bit of tweaking...

Cheers,
S.

[Ogloo]

Once u get geared.. u can faceroll any BG.. i dont mind if I get WSG or any of that.. AV is to boring and no pvp.. (might as well do a raid because its bassically that..)

WSG/AB is PVP!>!

[defactoman]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23767194400&sid=1&pageNo=8

Yay its a bug



There's a known bug that isn't properly incorporating random battleground queuers with those choosing specific battlegrounds. This can lead to queue times that are longer than what they should be.

A hotfix is in the process of being developed and we anticipate it should be applied within the next day or two.

ed - To clarify, this can create a longer queue time for those choosing specific battlegrounds.

[Zugdud]

I always figured WSG would be tough with a boxed team but it wasn't too bad, and the honor is great with this new system! 6k honor!

[defactoman]

WSG is fine, just dont defend the flag as a bunch of shaman heh. One time i was defending the flag room and one rogue, just one rogue walked in, hit sprint and cloak of shadows and he was gone with the flag before the sap wore off one of my guys.....laaaammmmeeeee

[Eloxy]

WSG is fine, just dont defend the flag as a bunch of shaman heh. One time i was defending the flag room and one rogue, just one rogue walked in, hit sprint and cloak of shadows and he was gone with the flag before the sap wore off one of my guys.....laaaammmmeeeee

hehe i feel ya ;) I had best luck escorting the flagcarrier, and since everyone usualy just go for the 4 shammies he usualy gets away while i clean the floor with the rest. I altso save my instant for intercepting the enemy FC.

In ab things can be hard if your team is no good. But then again, when they are ok ab is one of the coolest bgs imo. I usualy run straight for BS,cap it, then i go stables,cap it, and then i go LM. after that i go bs again and defend it untill sumthing else needs defense. If u have a healer with u, the healer can stay behind on the bases and ensure the cap while you go for another.

but ofc you need some gear to be able to take the beating u get when u face a party of enemys, but once u have that its np aslong as u land your nukes.

[Fat Tire]

Well it looks like its a bug.

So I am thinking I will just run only AV zerg to gear out quickly once the single queue is fixed. Seems like the fastest way, cant really call AV pvp, its just a loot pinata now. Atleast the games are only 5 min.

I wonder if when you choose the random if it already has a BG picked out and fills it out accordingly or looks for place to slot people who are sitting in the reg queue. I really have no idea how the system works but honestly I cant see it being very popular after the daily. The general wow community hates sota , Ioc and isnt a huge fan of eots either. Cant see the random being used that much if its not mandatory.

[Fat Tire]

I always figured WSG would be tough with a boxed team but it wasn't too bad, and the honor is great with this new system! 6k honor!


Healing wins BGs

[Littleburst]

Actually, you're not too far off with guessing it is a bug.

We have in fact identified a bug with the random battleground queuing system and queues for specific battlegrounds. The bug results in specific BG queues taking longer than normally expected due to some issues when the system is picking eligible players from both the random BG queue and the specific BG queue . We are currently working on a hotfix for this issue, and will hopefully be pushing said fix live within a day or two.

From the blues, Slorkaz linked this post in reply to my post on wow forums.

So yeaheah :D

[Zugdud]

Healing wins BGs

Definitly agree with you Fat, healers are the MVPs of Battlegrounds and I was lucky to have some great ones on my side in that game ((and trust me, that's not the norm in my battlegroup)). What had concerned me about WSG had more to do with just completing the objectives, playing 50% of the team in one clump just seemed like it would be total fail, but definitely wasn't bad at all


WSG is fine, just dont defend the flag as a bunch of shaman heh. One time i was defending the flag room and one rogue, just one rogue walked in, hit sprint and cloak of shadows and he was gone with the flag before the sap wore off one of my guys.....laaaammmmeeeee

lol, yeah I can relate with that as i've had similar experiences with frost mage flag carriers...good times!

[Pycno]

I dont mind this bug so much, my favorite bg's are EotS, AV and IoC but I think all the BG's are a blast. I like smaller BG's also because you sway the tide of battle so much more then if you play a solo character where you can go afk and still win.