Just got 3-day banned for "macroing"

[Kromtor]

Apparently the eve gm's can't tell the difference between macroing and multiboxing. I just got banned while highsec mining in my 12 ospreys+drake gang bonuses. I submitted a petition and will update on the results. I was just starting to get shit rolling too and was having some fun. Was gonna revive the 12 raven+drake fleet of doom...

pics of the setup in my album waiting for moderator approval

[Boylston]

Good luck, Kromtor.

Are you done with WoW for now?

[Kromtor]

Ya I'm bored of wow... this new season started and i got a taste of the resilience buff and didnt like it.

Eve with synchronized mouseclicks is so much fun though. Epic volleys of missiles... I had to control my 12 guys 6 at a time since there's 2 on each computer. I dont know how the hell im going to make money if i get banned everytime i mine though. I was planning on hooking up with my old goonfleet buddies after i got back on my feet for some more space destruction but i literally was playing for 2-3 days before i got banned. Just ridiculous... I guess if enough idiots report you because they dont understand then sooner or later an ignorant GM will come along and ruin all your hard work.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I can see people easily mistaking multibox mining for bots. There's no real herky/jerky movement that makes them super-easy to spot like in WoW. And with all the vids of people suicide-bombing entire fleets of bots in mid/high-sec space, I'm sure it's just a simple mistaken identity case. It'll be interesting what the GMs say about it.

[Duane]

Are you sure that using "synchronized mouseclicks" is allowed? Everything I've read is that you have to tab between windows and perform each task separately or it's against the rules.

[Kromtor]

The ban specifically stated "macro use". If they're actually upset with me multiboxing with sync'ed mouseclicks then that's another story. As far as I know the only game that has come out against stuff like that is EQ2, everyone else doesn't seem to have a problem as long as you are the one clicking the mouse or keyboard each time.

[RobinGBrown]

You were probably reported by a real botter - who was in system for a long time before you got the ban?

Botting is rife in EVE becasue its so easy to do - maybe 50+% of 'players'

[KvdM]

There's a sticky in the general forums about this:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=19768

From the part about Eve Online:


You are welcome to use multiple accounts at the same time, no matter how many accounts you are using.

What we understood you were asking with regards to multiboxing, was controlling all of those account with a single keystroke program or mouse click copy program.

To make it more clear: You may use as many accounts as you wish at the same time, however you may not use a program to control more then 1 account at the same time with the same keystrokes/mouse, you will need to actually switch between the windows to control them.

[Kromtor]

Well then my petition explaining how I do just that probably won't go over too well.

[Kromtor]

The solution to boxing in Eve without breaking the rules:
http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/

[Fat Tire]

The solution to boxing in Eve without breaking the rules:
http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/


in- fucking-sane!Q


Well played,sir. Well played.


By looking at your set up I now know how you played your dk/pal and while I wish you the best in EvE. I still have this nagging question. Since you used snergy in wow, FTL is basically non existent, you had to use a focus or a basic assist. How did you handle death to your main if and when he died?

[Zugdud]

Sorry to hear about EVE Krom, but rofl...your website is epic :D:D. Have you posted a link to it on the EVE forums yet? I would love to see what kind of replies it generates

P.S. I like your monitor mounts btw, good idea

/salute

[Kromtor]

I've got an eve-o thread going. I figure the more light we get shined on it the better.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641

The response has been good, the objectors all seem to have a "you have no life" or "nobody should be able to play more than 1 account peroid" stance.

[Duane]

Awesome set up... Don't worry about the haters, EVE is full of people who like nothing more than ruining other people's time.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Awesome set up... Don't worry about the haters, EVE is full of people who like nothing more than ruining other people's time.

It is definitely a griefer's paradise.

[Kromtor]

Just to update, no response from CCP yet it seems like they're dodging it.

I've been having a blast doing missions though, something I previously thought I would never enjoy since years of MMO quest grinding has made me hate it. I started running missions on all the guys and decided to just focus on one of them. Level your Connections skill up to 3 or 4 (on your leadership char with high charisma if you have one) and you'll be doing level 3 missions in no time after grinding through 1's and 2's for just a few days. My standing is currently 4.2 with Federation Navy and all I need is 5.15 to start running level 4's which is where the money should start. Up until now I've been operating at a loss doing these missions.

Here's the tool you want for finding agents.
http://eve-agents.com/index.dxd?AgentName=&System=&Region=10000032&Corporation=1000111&Faction=-&Division=-&Level=-&Skill=-&Locator=-&Storyline=-&FWAgent=-&Sort=7&Direction=0

[RobinGBrown]

I've got an eve-o thread going. I figure the more light we get shined on it the better.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641

The response has been good, the objectors all seem to have a "you have no life" or "nobody should be able to play more than 1 account peroid" stance.

Yeah their objections are quite silly when you consider just how many of them are botters

[F9thRet]

The solution to boxing in Eve without breaking the rules:
http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/

That is one heck of a setup Kromtor.

Stephen

[Kicksome]

Any word from CCP yet?

[Bollwerk]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/EVE-Online-MMORPG-gold-Farming,10166.html

[Deevext]

What, what do you mean .. Isn't this how we all do it? What, what are you telling me? They invented some software solution? .. I don't belive in it.

Boxing, 10% macros, and 90% tape and wood.

[Kromtor]

Well I can now confirm that it is possible to make really decent money running level 4 missions. Not only that but it's way more fun than mining. You can really fly through the missions by having your fleet all help the single character of your choice. It's not nearly as much money per character as someone running level 4's themself but it is a far superior alternative to ratting for multiboxers because there's plenty to kill on missions and when they have bounty it's very profitable. I currently only loot what's in range of tractor beams and don't salvage but if I wanted to make a little extra I could really focus on trying to mulitask all of that.

Don't mess with wormholes. They may be profitable but the pain in the ass isn't worth it. I had half a fleet stuck in w-space for a few scary hours waiting for a new wormhole to spawn because wormholes like to collapse when you move a lot of mass through them. I ended up 23 jumps away from my original location luckily they were high sec jumps though.

I'll be trying level 5's soon but I don't have my hopes up due to the extra dangers involved in low sec screwing up the risk/reward ratio.

[Duane]

Just a suggestion if you're planning on running level 4s for an extended period of time and want to loot/salvage. Having a dedicated ship like an Orca to tractor and loot makes things much easier and you can get things up to 70km away instead of 20km with normal tractor beams.

[drevil]

haha.. your pics are all over the internet :-)


http://www.slashgear.com/eve-multiboxing-rig-skirts-gaming-rules-with-complex-controllers-1281188/

http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/

http://www.pcgames.de/Eve-Online-PC-69560/News/Eve-Online-Multiboxing-mit-8-Monitoren-So-spielen-wahre-Nerds-744994/

http://www.polkarobot.de/2010/04/10/multiboxing-eve-online-spieler-mit-12-accounts/

[Kromtor]

Just a suggestion if you're planning on running level 4s for an extended period of time and want to loot/salvage. Having a dedicated ship like an Orca to tractor and loot makes things much easier and you can get things up to 70km away instead of 20km with normal tractor beams.
This is definitely good advice. I've been leaving most of the loot behind, often letting some friends go clean it up to make some quick cash. Having my command pilot be in an orca would actually make the drone and rival faction missions just as profitable as the ones where the ships have bounty since I could so easily loot.

[Ellay]

When I ran 3, I did the whole tractor beam / salvage, it definitely wasn't as fun as just blowing stuff up though.

Have you been able to find a good way to assist?

[Kromtor]

For safety I broadcast targets on my lead and have the others target it from the broadcast window. If it's just rats and nothing else on the overview I'll try to control click on the overview but you can never rely on that when the mice or overviews themselves get out of sync. There's no good, fast way to do it though.

[Korruptor]

Well I was considering trying to box EvE but this kind of setup isn't something I'm willing to undertake.

Mad props to you Kromtor!

[Lax]

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274
4/23/2010

Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter.

Best regards,
Senior GM Lelouch
EVE Online Customer Support

[Kromtor]

Yes, good news for eve multiboxers. A GM that knows what they're talking about.

[KvdM]

Good news indeed. The sticky should be updated with Lax's post.

btw. Kromtor someone took your mouse picture out of it's context:

http://thereifixedit.com/2010/04/24/epic-kludge-photo-damn-you-gold-farmer/

[MiRai]

Good news indeed. The sticky should be updated with Lax's post.

btw. Kromtor someone took your mouse picture out of it's context:

http://thereifixedit.com/2010/04/24/epic-kludge-photo-damn-you-gold-farmer/
Hahaha I saw that yesterday and thought, "Hey, I know who's setup this is!" :)

[Zugdud]

Congrats on EVE victory Krom, and lol at widespread efame generated from "the setup website" :D:D

[Kromtor]

All multiboxers have a little borg in them and there's no better game to get your borg on than multiboxing eve. More people should try it =)

[DrChaos]

Most epic post ever!!!!!


Boxing, 10% macros, and 90% tape and wood.

[Kromtor]

killed a t3 cruiser today :)
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10221406 (http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10221406)

[Meeo]

HAHA its like me loosing my Tengu a few days ago in a Providence gang roam.. well the gang roamed onto me ratting lol.

[Kromtor]

CCP has issued an apology to me for the 3-day ban. Even if it was late I'm impressed by their ability to admit mistakes and correct them. Info here:
http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/home

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Heh, how long did it take you to kill the cruiser?

[Kromtor]

i think it was 2 volleys in rokhs so like 6 seconds not counting the time it takes to lock

[Kromtor]

welp i'm back in ravens. i had some bad experiences in small gang fights where my dps dropped to ass when trying to use my rails at short ranges. I also managed to lose 3 billion by being an idiot and autopiloting a frigate in highsec with very expensive cargo - don't do this :)

[Gurblash]

Thats a huge loss lol. I bet someone was happy with that kill mail. I'm currently training Heavy Missiles to 5 on my 15m SP pilot.

[RobinGBrown]

What did you lose that was worth so much and still fitted inside a frigate? Blueprints?

[Kromtor]

200 implants

[Mukade]

I've gone and made a rather long post (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1333243) on the EVE forums asking for a bit more clarification on the matter, similar to what Velath did for WoW here (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&postId=52354469953&sid=1) (I'm not too good at short, concise posts though).

While the EVE community is a huge improvement over that found in WoW forums, I still think my post might be a little tl;dr for what is still the txt msg generation, so support in the hope that a GM might notice and give us the answers we need would be appreciated.

[edit] Ignore the inevitable trolls.

[d0z3rr]

welp i'm back in ravens. i had some bad experiences in small gang fights where my dps dropped to ass when trying to use my rails at short ranges. I also managed to lose 3 billion by being an idiot and autopiloting a frigate in highsec with very expensive cargo - don't do this :)


I hate to necro, but if you weren't autopiloting, how would you have saved yourself?

Also, do you think they used cargo scanners and got all excited? If it was highsec, wouldn't it have been a suicide gank?

[RobinGBrown]

That 15km slowboat from warp in to gate on autopilot allows for a wealth of time for a pirate to target, scan, and gank - a frigate is pretty easy to take out unless it's actively speed tanking and even then there are webbers

If he'd been manually piloting he'd have warped in directly to the gate and jumped immediately - no time for an opportunistic pirate to scan and blam

There courier contracts and freight haulage corps (search for Red Frog) that will transport expensive/bulky cargo for a fee and gaurantee delivery/reimbursement