Switching to ISBoxer, tips wanted.

[Tyval]

Hey all,

Up till now i have been using Keyclone and been quite happy with it for the most part, it got me up and running quickly, but I'm finding I desire a bit more functionality.

So decided since I have the weekend free, I should give ISBoxer a try.

I've read through the intro/faq to get a feel for things. Lots of good info, course much of it is confusing without having ISBoxer in front of me while reading.

I figure the best thing I can do to help my chance for success is swap over but do things in steps.

Currently with Keyclone I use focus based targeting, macros, and the supported 1:1 key mapping to do most everything, (I have added a couple key maps with hotstrings for some formation stuff.

Step 1)
Move to ISBoxer but keep the behavior the same as KeyClone(use all my macros , more or less use 1:1 key mapping). From what I gather I can get this pretty easily with just a toggle of repeater/keymap settings?

Step 2)
Hook up mouse repeater regions so I can use Healbot (I've used this before, are there better ones?). I think not having to target folks for healing, or losing my MT target while healing others in group would be a big win.

Once this is working and in place, I'll start looking into the ability to swap leaders, not using focus for targeting etc.

So with the above primary goals (Step 1 and Step 2) in mind,

Any tips, things to watch out for? Will this make my initial setup easier or more complicated. I'm hoping I can get setup with keyclone behavior in short order, and just a bit more time for the mouse /healbot setup. I'm excited for the healbot method as it means it will be easy-peasy to heal as solo groups when I get the itch, as will be use to everything.

Thanks for any tips/help with this.

Tyval

Team Update: My team is about ready for the fun stuff, Pali, Priest and 2x shamans are 80 (Shamans just dinged last night) Mage is 1.5 lvls from 80!!!

[Lax]

Your setup is inherently already more complicated than ISBoxer's Quick Setup. You can get what you're asking for, but you'll need to create at least one Mapped Key for toggling Repeater, because you will probably want to switch between having a white or black list, having no white or black list (for entering password, etc), and not broadcasting. It's not that hard to do, though. I need to add a wizard for that ;)

[Ualaa]

Hey all,

Up till now i have been using Keyclone and been quite happy with it for the most part, it got me up and running quickly, but I'm finding I desire a bit more functionality.

So decided since I have the weekend free, I should give ISBoxer a try.

I too started with Keyclone and eventually migrated to IS Boxer.
There are a few basic differences between the two softwares, even on a fundamental level.

For example, KC uses 1:1 broadcasting where every key is pushed to all clients.
Unless you utilize a whitelist (only broadcast these keys) or a blacklist (don't broadcast these keys).

IS Boxer has two broadcast modes.
Repeater (which is 1:1 broadcasting, similar the KC -- by default this is both keyboard and mouse).
And Keymaps, which are highly configurable hotkeys or other IS Boxer internal actions.

Ideally, when playing you will have Repeater disabled and Keymaps enabled.
Ideally, each hotkey which you are reliant upon from your KC configuration will be built as a mapped key (Keymaps are groups of mapped keys).
For example, if you have a party buff on Shift F12, create a mapped key with Shift F12 as the trigger and send Shift F12 to each wow window that has a buff on that keybind.

Mapped Keys are an incredibly powerful feature of IS Boxer.
You can target:
- The Current Window Only (Window: Current)
- The Other Windows Only (Window: All without current)
- All Windows
- Any combination of teams/sets, classes, or preconfigured groups (Action Target Groups)... and you can even change who is in an ATG on the fly.



I've read through the intro/faq to get a feel for things. Lots of good info, course much of it is confusing without having ISBoxer in front of me while reading.

I figure the best thing I can do to help my chance for success is swap over but do things in steps.

Currently with Keyclone I use focus based targeting, macros, and the supported 1:1 key mapping to do most everything, (I have added a couple key maps with hotstrings for some formation stuff.


I would actually recommend against this.

Run the wizard, and it gets you a functional interface.
Your DPS keys (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0, -, =) are FTL keys.
You will want to change your interface from Focus based macros, to spells straight out of the spell book (no macro).
When you press "1", it casts the spell on "1"... but it also has every other toon auto assist (FTL) the toon currently leading, and cast their spell on "1" too.

If you have heals which are based off of assisting the mob, modify these slightly.
a) Remove the Assist your Focus... the FTL will have the healer target the mob too.
b) Leave the [help][[help,Target=TargetTarget] logic in the macro.

Remember your Keyclone interface, absolutely.
But be more concerned with the hotkeys for your actions, rather then the macro which the hotkey calls.

I could take any of my boxing toons, log them on by themself and play them.
IS Boxer manages my round-robin effects, so the first press of the key gets my Fire Elemental or drops Tremor Totem etc, when I one-box a toon.
But it is still a round-robin effect, when I have my entire team playing.



Hook up mouse repeater regions so I can use Healbot (I've used this before, are there better ones?). I think not having to target folks for healing, or losing my MT target while healing others in group would be a big win.

You can use Healbot or Vuhdo, as an all-in-one option for this.
You can also use Grid or OpenRDX for the frames, in conjunction with Clique for the interpretation of mouse clicks.
Either approach works well.

The key will be an alphabetical sorting (or any other fixed order), which is the same on all screens.
That way any given frame refers to the same toon on every screen.

Tovya has an excellent video guide on Repeater Region healing, in the video section of www.isboxer.com

[Tyval]

Thanks for the info,

So if I understand correctly, to save hassle later on, best to just bite the bullet and move forward the right way.

My first step would be to setup the general ISBoxer (via the tutorial/guide/wizard ) etc.

Then I would change my macros to remove all targeting stuff, and to be simply the spell /cast sequence etc I use, heals same thing but leave in the targettarget stuff. (though less important as will be using healbot).

I will stick with healbot as I'm familiar with that, and use the tutorial.

You sold me on just redoing my macros/keys with the comment about being able to play the members of the team solo and not have to change anything.

Thanks as always, I'll make sure to give you credit for my referral :)

Tyval

[ghonosyph]

i did this as well, swap from keyclone over to isboxer. I had the cash left from a paypal transaction and figured i'd give it a shot. I had ONE HELL OF A TIME moving over from focus based systems and ftl, and i still to this day use the focus based system to a certain extent. The trick to doing it, is to turn isboxer into keyclone for repeating, (provided you don't wanna take full advantage of keymaps right away and the auto ftl)

The way i did it was to add a separate key for toggling repeating(keyboard) and repeating(mouse) so that i could use my pause keys button just like keyclones pause button. the mouse repeater part can be handy to click on targetted spells and stuff but you dont always want it on, it makes for messy mouse movement issues lol.

The next thing i did was to set up how my focus making would work. Since i already had my macros on a bar for focus toon 1, focus toon 2 and so on, already had keybinds set up this way on f9 thru f12 and shift f12, there was an EASY way to make it transfer over in isboxer. If you click into your character sets, for example i have a character set called paladins, click on that you'll see in isboxer toolkit, on the left hand pane, a box that lists all your toons in that set. click on the number one, in the right hand pane you're going to see on the top line "hotkey to switch to this character" make this hotkey whatever toon one's hotkey to /focus toon one is. IE i had it set up for F9, then the next /focus toon2 was on F10 and so on.

One more thing to do before you click outta this area, is to check mark "when i switch to this character, check mark the dot that says "broadcast this keystroke" and make it match the above hot key to switch to that toon. This way if you switch by clicking on the other screen instead of pressing the button, it will press the button for you anyway and you'll have the correct toon focused! :)


I had a rough go setting up keymaps, i use them now, as i've started to figure everything out, however its tricky if you're coming from a focus based system and swapping over to a ftl with keymaps, as you're going to have to "relearn" everything you've taught yourself about playing. Old habits die hard and it can get complicated :)

Good luck tho! if you'd like more info i'll be glad to answer any questions to how i have my focus system set up lol :) just pm me !

[dRiN]

I switched the day before last and tried to setup using the wizard. One thing that got me stuck was that I used a copy of an instance I had. I previously used different folders for different accounts so my setup would stay solid and the same over time for my characters. I used a focus based system with octopus. So after using the wizard I had some double bindings and some trouble figuring out how the parts are connected. Innerspace itself, ISBoxer, ISBoxer WoW Addon, Jamba, etc.

So after a few minutes of help from Jax looking at my ISBoxer exported profile on IRC I had the thing running with FTL for most of my bindings and I changed a binding so my chars would follow on every active screen.

Only thing I wished I would have done was start all clean so I did not have conflicting stuff from the transition and using the old instances of WoW because it can get a bit confusing if you try to do it all at once. So start as clean as possible and see where it takes you with the wizard and work from there. Recreating what you already had is reusable over all characters if you manage them well and name items properly.

Yesterday I got my different character sets going, with ISBoxer it is much easier to control this in a right fasion. Play two shammies, three shammies, a tank and a few shammies, a pala and a mage with some guildies, etc. Its all ready to go when you start them up.

Today I setup my healer region in combination with Vuhdo and alfabetic name sorting, LOVE IT!

Tomorrow I will start to tacle some of the things I did not felt up to doing, like oculust and its macro hassle. Now I will just setup some custom mapping with action steps that make sure I handle my rotations well. And for my PVE team get a dedicated healer in the mix so I can do the new ICC 5 man instances properly (4 elemental shammies healing is not cutting it anymore).

[Tyval]

Hmm, I'm a bit confused by what you meant with instances?

Are there some folders I need to clean up before I switch to ISBoxer? Currently I do use jamba, Keyclone, only trivial keymaping (for formation).

Want to make it as painless as possible, I suppose starting from scratch is fine, but unclear what I need to remove.

Tyval

[pinotnoir]

One problem I ran into with ISboxer which is really not a problem with the software is the region layout. If you want the mouse repeater to be accurate on your alts all regions need to be the same aspect ratio. In order to do this I had to switch to boxing on 1 pc and using 2 monitors instead of 2pc and 3 monitors like I had with keyclone. Its a small sacrifice but the software is by far better than keyclone. It goes a step beyond keyclone. Once you heal your group with the mouse repeater regions you will wonder how you did it without it.

[dRiN]

Hmm, I'm a bit confused by what you meant with instances?

Are there some folders I need to clean up before I switch to ISBoxer? Currently I do use jamba, Keyclone, only trivial keymaping (for formation).

Want to make it as painless as possible, I suppose starting from scratch is fine, but unclear what I need to remove.

Tyval

By instances I ment several folders with WoW.

So I have one main folder with my original wow. And in this I have the data and interface folder. The data and interface folders I symbolic linked to other wow folders so when a patch hit I only had to update the files in the WoW folder. The WTF folder was unique to each folder. Using Inner Space this is not needed anymore because inner space handles the instancing of the different accounts you log on with and need their own files.

For my first Inner Space experience I made a copy of the original wow folder. Which I had filled up with addons for solo play (raiding mods, bar mods, unit frame mods) and multiboxing play. By trying this in combination with inner space, ISBoxer wow addon, jamba, etc. it got a bit confusing for me.

Maybe this is more clear in what I was trying to say. My advice is to keep it simple and clean and work from that to recreate and expand from that to make it better. During the recreation of your old system you probably find many better ways to do stuff so it can be reused in different setups.

[JackBurton]

If you have any questions please ask. Want me to share my config setup with you? Send me a PM if you're scared of asking a stupid question in public.

Jedi Master
Zanthor said that boxing is one of those things that you're always be improving upon. Easy to learn hard to master.

Videos
The fastest way to learn about ISBoxer capabilities is by studing the videos. ISboxer is limited only to your imagination. It comes loaded only with minimal mapsets and scripts. You can get idea's for macros and mapsets by studying the video's seeded on youtube, and studying www.dualboxing.com (http://www.dualboxing.com/). We all learn three ways. By Doing, reading, and seeing. Video training gives both reading and seeing.

Troubleshooting
If you are a ISBoxer noob the sure way to fix problems would be to get on Lax's chat. He's pretty good about sifting out problems if you present him your config setup. Personaly I have two problems that always get me even though im a relative ISBoxer pro. I keep forgetting you have to assign toons to both Mapsets (tree) and Actions/Steps (branches attached to that tree). My second problem that happens to me the most is key conflicts. This is hard to explain so I'll try to explain it at a different time.

Centralized Setup
An advanced tool of ISBoxer, is ISBoxer WoWMacros replacing ingame actionbars for spells and macros. All my spells and abilities are macroed into ISBoxer. Why do i do it this way? Four reasons.
1.The first reason is to Tweak macros out of game saving alot of time.
2.The second reason is to have very few visual actionbars on my UI. Macros dont need to be assigned to spots on a actionbars. Very nice if you are a UI Minimalist like me. I use cooldown watcher addons to see what abilities are available. The Macro's the ISBoxer addon creates simply needs to have Key Combinations bound to them. All my key bindings and hotkeys are allready in mustle memory.
3.The third reason is macros can have failsafes bult into them that vanila spell action bars dont have. For example if you spam the plain-default actionbar for Mind Blast it will keep recasting the spell. A macro can be set to not try to recast if you are allready casting.
4. The fourth reason you want centralized setup you can troubleshoot Key Combinations.

Click
You can use ISBoxer to perform a click action. A click is kinda like an inteligent castsequence macro. letting you spam one button to make your toons cast spells at the right time.

Testing
Test your planed setup first at your cities Dumies. This way you can test your clicks for any air pockets or gaps in the spell casting. Some good Addons for seeing visualy gaps in casting is the visual GCD spark in Quartz and the cooldown addon "Event Horizon". After your semi confident that everything is good validate your setup in a normal or heroic instance.

Movement
1. My formation is a simple split. the 4 slaves bug out in all four directions like an X.
2. You can also set up a simple Interact With Target Mapset with one Key Binding. The mapset i programed does this for me. on the keypress of pagedown my slaves assist me and move towards the target. when i let go of pagedown my slaves stop.
3.My simple other micromanage movement is all slaves: strafe left, strafe right. forward, backward, turn left, and turn right.

[Tyval]

Thanks for the tips!

I will be doing the install/swap later today, I got the last of my 5 to 80 yesterday, and felt the heroic call, so figured I should try a few and see how I do.

Then back to business :).

Tyval

[Ftwyman]

One problem I ran into with ISboxer which is really not a problem with the software is the region layout. If you want the mouse repeater to be accurate on your alts all regions need to be the same aspect ratio. In order to do this I had to switch to boxing on 1 pc and using 2 monitors instead of 2pc and 3 monitors like I had with keyclone. Its a small sacrifice but the software is by far better than keyclone. It goes a step beyond keyclone. Once you heal your group with the mouse repeater regions you will wonder how you did it without it.



can you explain that last line. Heal? with mouse repeater regions?

[MiRai]

can you explain that last line. Heal? with mouse repeater regions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7kgsSmwY6A

[Ualaa]

Or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msjyi06xNW0&feature=player_embedded#


If you want a written guide, http://isboxer.com/index.php/component/content/article/32-guide-wow-ualaa-grid-clique-repeater

[Tyval]

Update:

I've done the trial for ISBoxer/Innerspace. Downloaded installed etc.

Watched all the videos. Kind of get what is going on.


Ran into a few issues though.

I started playing around with building up my team from scratch using the videos/tutorials. Then deleted the team and used the wizard.

There was some weirdness when I exported my file to innerspace, I think I had some extra config/profiles there from when I moved all my accounts to one B-net account. Makes it so I have to enter the sub account name on a few accounts during log in. (I figure I can track that down).

Resolution of the screens seemed messed up. It seemed to be trying to force my old resolution into a smaller size for main window. I seemed to be able to fix this, but resetting the resolution manually. That is I would pick a resolution that was close to the main window size, and then resize to fit in the area.

Auto follow seems quite messed up.
I get in this feedback loop where my main character seems to try and auto follow another char during combat, after combat etc. only way to break this loop is to swap chars and then back to my tank.

I like that auto follow is kind of a default thing, but I guess I have to now add something to break it. Will look into that.

Was easy to change my dps macros to remove the focus target aspect so that was easy.

Any thoughts on why my main toon is trying to auto follow one of the followers? (I am using Jamba).

Also I'm wondering now if keymap a movement key to stop auto follow on the other toons, if they will just start following again.


edit: Just checked jamba and all the follow settings are disabled except for warn if I stop following.

Thanks

Tyval

[Tyval]

Okay,

I cleared out everything and started again.

Things are working better now.

Couple notes: I was getting the error regarding subaccount as I had added a couple accounts via the WoW website (RaF).

These listed with numbers in the initial list of characters so all I needed to do was changed the subaccount to reflect the assigned account name (WoW1) etc. This got rid of the error warning.

Follow issues : Maybe a jamba interaction, now I follow via the default keymap (which I changed from shift F to what I use to use).

I created new key maps for the arrow keys that move everyone but current window as outlined by Ualaa.

So now seems things are moving forward, ran out and did a bit of combat and things seem pretty good. Though need to adjust/modify more macros.

next step is to use Healbot and try and get the repeater regions going.

Tyval

[Ualaa]

The account and subaccount thing, should eventually go away.
You'll want to use the option to virtualize the config.wtf for each toon you play.
So each can save their own settings, for the next time that toon is played.

If your character set assumes Account A is in Slot 1, if you log on Account 2 in that slot, you'll get an error (with IS Boxer wanting to update stuff for you, when you export to IS).
Once you log on, with the correct account in the correct slot, IS Boxer will be happier.

[Tyval]

Things seem to be working great.

Got the repeater region for healbot set up, Had to search how to sort by names and found a post from you Ualaa, spend 15mins trying to figure it out and gave up and searched :).

Went back to practice on normal mode dungeons as healing is way different now, will be a huge help though when I go back to heroics.

Created a few keymaps that are more or less straight pass through that was straightforward.

Still not clear how the FTL stuff works, but it does hehe, so will revisit it again to figure it out after I have the rest setup and going smoothly.

One question:

Is it possible to start attacking on a target and then have my tank move to a new target , say I need to taunt etc, and have everyone else keep on the first target?

Thanks much as always for all the great help I get here.

Tyval

[Ualaa]

The FTL is based off of three mapped keys.
-- FTL Assist Me
-- FTL Target Me
-- FTL Follow Me

Anything using FTL conditions can be accomplished through calling one of these mapped keys.



If you were to remove auto follow (or strobe follow) on a character switch, this should be relatively easy.
Melee toons (along with your tank) should interact with target, which breaks follow.
Similarly, casters and healers will have broken follow a short distance away from the melee.

You'd need a mapped key for sticky targeting.
I believe Zanthor had one, which was posted a few months back.
You could try searching for posts by him, in reverse chronological order (newest first).

With a sticky targeting system, you'd need to push assist for the slaves to change targets.

You could probably just have a new mapped key made.
Which only sends the command to the current window.
The command could be a hotkey which all toons have a ranged attack on.
So for example, your hotkey might be "Alt + A" for an add.
Which sends "9" to the current window.
With every toon having a ranged attack on "9".
The mapped key does not have any assist component in it, and is broadcast only to the current window.
Which means, it does not change the targeting of the slaves.
And is not broadcast to them either.

[Ualaa]

Was in response, to the above removed post.

[alcattle]

Be careful about certain features of IS Boxer. I am a new multiboxer and was googling up to learn and I read about people getting banned for it. I read a post saying if you use the features to double send keys you will get banned



The person who was banned is really hard to understand but I think he/she set up isboxers feature to press multiple keys.

I used to use isboxer myself, but after all the drama, I am either going to switch back to keyclone or to PWN Boxer



Oh and hello Ualaa I have to say thank you!!!!!! I have read a lot of postings by you and it has really helped me out! When I search google for multiboxing your name comes up a lot of times!
Be careful about what you believe. Ask Lax if people have gotten banned, I don't think anyone has been banned just for using Innerspace. Of people get banned, but did they get banned using IS when scamming in trade chat? IS is a tool, and rules can be broken using any tool. What Tim says on his site is almost worthless, he is a schemer who will turn on his "Users" in a minute

[Tyval]

Hmm, I'm using the pretty standard features. simple behavior to keyclone (with exception of FTL stuff and no focus target) and mouse repeater regions for healbot.


update:

Things are going well, made it much easier on the heroic zones I can do as I gear up, much easier to keep team healed with heal bot !

Only odd thing I notices if I have to load my repeater regions each time I start up...

Tyval

[Ualaa]

If you save the repeater region as "auto", which is the default.
It will automatically load, on start up.

If you save it as anything else, then you'll need to manually load it.

And repeater regions are saved on a character set basis.
If you make a new team, you'll need to set the regions for the new team too.

[Tyval]

Thanks Ualaa,

funny, I saw auto and thought, hmm I should change that and name so I can load it back later if I need to, thinking I was doing the right thing. I guess I over thunk it :).

Tyval