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Fuzzyboy
03-10-2010, 03:54 AM
The idea

Since I'm almost done gearing my main team (just waiting for 3.3.3 before buying the last lvl 245 crafted items), I decided to do some unfamiliar setups. I've always liked priests, but I got really set on the idea with the recent changes to the shadow tree (vampiric embrace and mind flay in particular).

Anyway, since I'm not in a hurry to get them to 80, I decided not to go the boosting route and level them by hand, but only quest to 15 (where the LFG tool becomes available) and level them the rest of the way only in instances except for some starter greens in outlands (at 58) and northrend (at 68).

Priests + tank have been done before (as most combos have been), so it's really mostly about the levelling process rather than hope of great end-game results. I doubt I'll ever single-box raid with a priest, so most likely I'll just gear them up casually and they'll end up as tradeskill slaves. Still, I'd like to experience how they fare in heroics and pvp, but I'm not even sure if that will happen before Cata as I plan to play them very casual.

The setup

I was planning on the following setup:

Tank: Unholy DK
Healer: Holy priest
DPS: Shadow priest

Since I need a tank for 1-56, I decided to give warriors another shot, although I haven't really been a fan of the rage mechanic.

I will spec all priests shadow until level 40 where shadow form becomes more or less mandatory, then spec one priest in holy and keep the rest shadow. I already have a priest at 80 in my mixed team and I've tried both disc and holy, so I know that I prefer holy for it's excellent AE heals (single target healing is rarely an issue in heroics anyway).

The lower levels (1-28)

Though I'm not going to boost, I figured some gear was in order. I still had the heirlooms from my warlock experiment, so I just created the chars, mailed to each char 4 frostweave bags + 1000g + heirlooms (weapon, shoulder, chest, trinket x 2), dropped a mailbox in the newbie area with an engineer and off we went.

The quest grind to 15 wasn't as bad as I remembered, although hardly "fun". I did herbalism + mining on my main in order to profit from some of the herbs in the low level areas (briarthorn, for instance, is selling for 5-10g, as well is goldthorn and several other old world herbs) but decided not to mess with tradeskills apart from those until later on.

The first instance I got in the LFG tool was RFC at level 15, which was a cakewalk, although I found it a bit frustrating that my warrior was doing double damage of my casters, add to which the casters would run out of mana in two pulls (mind blast + smite spam), so I set up for wanding and switched to mind blast + wand spam, which worked better, both in terms of dps and mana usage.

I thought it would be better once I got mindflay, but wands were still the best option up until the lvl 28 mindflay. Mindflay is still more mana intensive (obvíously), but does significantly more damage now. Still, I havent upgraded my wands since the blue quest wands (dungeon quest) I got around level 20, so I may still be surprised. Either way I'm sticking with mindflay for now and seeing how my mana pools handle that.

With shields and 4 x renew, my tank was never in danger of dying. Currently at level 28 I have 5 deaths - 2 of which were due to AFK'ing in instances with patrols (heh), but of course heirloom gear helps a lot, as does the instance nerfs and so far I'm actually a bit disappointed that it hasn't been more of a challenge. For instance I was able to bruteforce Thermaplugg without even casting a heal - no need to press the flashing buttons or anything like that, which does remove some of the charm of the encounter. I don't think that would have been different in no heirloom gear - the bombs only seemed to do take 15% of my priests health and I even 4-manned the encounter this way (kept one priest outside the door in case I'd wipe - the run back to gnomeregan is long!).

Either way the instances have been fun so far, but unchallenging - all the fights are tank and spank. I'm looking forward to some of the later instances - end boss in ramparts with no fire resistance totem should be a delight :P

Mid levels (28-58)

Switching to holy nova spam (see my weblog for videos), these 30 levels have went by amazingly fast. After seeing how powerful holy nova was off-spec, I decided to spec into holy and later on added the glyph. This is the spec I'm currently using:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bA0buhhVRbZctt0bb:uVZzM

The most important talents are the one in the holy tree - I've worked my way into disc as I levelled up. The SM instances, Uldaman, ZF, BRD and Strath are all very good for AE levelling. BRD deserves special mention - I was there from 48 to 57 and it's the best XP i've seen in my wow-career outside RAF - I was getting anywhere from 130k - 170k per hour.

So far

I'll see how far holy nova will take me, but so far it's working still. I'll get 59 in strath and the get my quest gear set from BC. After that I'll venture into ramparts and see how my guys fare in there.

From a longterm perspective I'm worrying about lack of poison cure, but I hope the fact that I have 4 (potential) healers can make up for that.

Fuzzyboy
03-13-2010, 04:20 AM
Quick movie-update in case anyone wants to see how they fare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu5gAia1ig4

Nothing spectacular and the video is a little dark, but might give an impression on how they perform. I'm currently at level 35 and for some reason the warrior has gotten a lot more effective the last couple of levels. I couple of mana talents on the priest has produced less downtime, but other than that, it's pretty much how I play them still.

Zub
03-13-2010, 08:53 AM
nice,
you should spread the priests a bit, 4 midflays must look cool :-)


i like your UI, what's the addon that shows the next spell to cast? the one with the spell icon that moves left

Fuzzyboy
03-13-2010, 09:07 AM
Yeah, I think I actually have them spread out at the final boss, so you can just fast forward :-)

Anyway, just did some experimentation with holy nova, which is way overpowered, heh. I totally facerolled armory by AEing mobs 0-2 levels above me in packs of up to 10ish. Could probably do even more (although I aim for ten because of cap):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9BA9mYl6Cg

Zub
03-14-2010, 06:30 PM
yup yup, looks good.

what did you say that addon was? (the one that shows the next spell available by moving it to the left)
Cheers,
-Zub

Fuzzyboy
03-15-2010, 03:26 AM
yup yup, looks good.

what did you say that addon was? (the one that shows the next spell available by moving it to the left)
Cheers,
-Zub

It's called "CoolLine" :-)

Fuzzyboy
03-15-2010, 03:46 AM
Decided to change specs and focus on the holy nova levelling which has worked very well so far:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bA0bkhoZctt00b

Basically I have all the holy nova affecting talents except the range one and for bosses I'm using holy fire + smite spam (with devour and SWP if necessary), which surprisingly turns out is just as mana efficient as mind blast + mind flay, but I do miss the snare component though.

Aiming for this:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bEbbuhhiRco0boZcgt0bbV

Which I plan to use until I can't level using nova anymore and then switching to 3 shadow + 1 disc/holy. Not sure when that will be to be honest - some people (from the "other site") have reported up until mana tombs. We shall see :-D

Ghallo
03-16-2010, 01:53 PM
Don't forget the 20% buff to HN from the glyph :)

Zub
03-16-2010, 07:30 PM
It's called "CoolLine" :-)
thanks!

Klesh
03-17-2010, 11:07 AM
Don't forget the 20% buff to HN from the glyph :)
^this

That glyph is just awesome, am healing all incoming group damage with holy nova, not using any other heals to keep my caster DPS alive.

DrChaos
03-17-2010, 06:36 PM
Im running a warrior tank and 4 spriest. one for healing sometimes and its hella fun..... Soon ill change out a priest for a shammy and my warrior for a pally.

Fuzzyboy
03-20-2010, 01:31 AM
Yeah, that glyph is pure gold. I went from 48 to 56 in BRD just holy nova spamming everything and getting 130k-170k xp per hour (with heirlooms, but still) with a disc/holy spec. Currently at 58 and working in my DK instead of my warrior.

The amazing thing is, even single target dps isn't noticably worse that shadow and the AE + heals are simply amazing.

Fuzzyboy
03-22-2010, 03:06 AM
Sitting at level 64 now and still going strong. Did mana tombs yesterday, which someone had experienced was the end of the viability of holy nova, but it went very well. Since some of the mobs do a mortal strike-type of debuff, I limited myself to pulling a max of two packs of elites (7-10 mobs typically), but it still went great. Two things though - the mana leeches are not to be AE'ed (obviously) and the AE fear mobs don't go well with lots of mortal strike debuff mobs. But I guess that's pretty obvious.

Anyway, I havent reached the point where mana starts being the limiter (I'm around 50% mana after I finish unless something goes wrong) and there's a new holy nova rank at level 68, although I don't expect to be able to continue doing this in northrend since the tendency seems to go towards mob packs with less, but harder hitting mobs. We'll see :-)

Fuzzyboy
03-26-2010, 03:53 AM
Seems youtube purged my video for being too long. Oh well. Turns out that mana tombs are actually great for levelling with holy nova as long as you watch out for the terrors (undead racial helps too).

My team is currently at 70 where the holy nova party has stopped. Or rather, I can still holy nova groups of mobs down, but the northrend instances has a lot less trash than BC instances, which means that mob packs are harder to gather, and the mobs hit a lot harder also, so I've switched to dk tank + disc priest + 3 x shadow for now, although I'm heavily considering shelfing this team for now as the tank + healer + 3 dps feels a lot like my main team, only lacking cleanse, heroism and buffs.

Most likely I'll just make them alchemists (and /mourn the 30k spent on flying skills :P), but we'll see.

Sephice
03-26-2010, 09:19 AM
Hmmm, the passiv Heal is really nice from 4 Shadows and if you need more you can make a Schield and the other one makes the HoT on the Tank.

I would prefer a Disc Priest and no Holy Priest if you want to Box instances solo

Fuzzyboy
03-26-2010, 09:24 AM
Hmmm, the passiv Heal is really nice from 4 Shadows and if you need more you can make a Schield and the other one makes the HoT on the Tank.

I would prefer a Disc Priest and no Holy Priest if you want to Box instances solo

My main team (prot paladin, holy priest, arcane mage, mm hunter and elemental shaman) has done all heroic instances and glory of the hero. I've tried both disc and holy as healer and my experience is that holy is better at AE heals, while disc is better at single target heals. Disc is the easiest to start out with because when you have mediocre gear it's more mana efficient, but in the end it's really a matter of preference.

Anyway, the passive healing from 4 shadow priests isn't anywhere near enough to keep the tank up (at least not until you way outgear the instances anyway), and switching in and out of shadow form is both costly in mana and dps, so that's not really an option :-) Casting a lot of shields and renews on the priests is pretty mana intensive but doable, just way less efficient than having a specialized healer since you end up paying a price in terms of mana expensive heals.

Sephice
03-26-2010, 09:28 AM
Hmmm, the most time its enough to keep the Pala alive :)

For me it works and for what AoE Heal, this is the Shadow thing ^^

The problem is only with lower gear but every point you spend in shadow is really, really nice and i have only PvP Equip and only a PvP talent tree

With a PvE Spess and PvE gear i think its in Heroes absolut no problem to heal the Tank ( and the grp ) only with VE

Fuzzyboy
03-26-2010, 09:33 AM
Hmmm, the most time its enough to keep the Pala alive :)

For me it works and for what AoE Heal, this is the Shadow thing ^^

The problem is only with lower gear but every point you spend in shadow is really, really nice and i have only PvP Equip and only a PvP talent tree

With a PvE Spess and PvE gear i think its in Heroes absolut no problem to heal the Tank ( and the grp ) only with VE

Once you outgear the instance almost anything works, but then again if you outgear the instance you can faceroll through with holy nova and smite spec anyway :P

Whether VE will be enough depends heavily on you gear level and most importantly on the tanks gear level. With my main team I rarely ever cast any spells on my healer except prayer of mending and the occasional AE heal - with 4 shaman, usually the healing streams are enought, but only because I outgear the instances :)

Edit: Keep in mind that the pre-argent tournament heroics are designed to be challenging in blue gear. Being decked out in ilvl 232+ gear is way way way overgearing the instances - back then, Naxx-10 dropped ilvl 200 gear :)

Sephice
03-26-2010, 09:59 AM
For the new ICC5 er instances it works too ;)

I never tried the other/older instances because i dont like PvE but im sure its much easier with a disc or holy priest to farm gear

good luck

Fuzzyboy
03-26-2010, 10:03 AM
For the new ICC5 er instances it works too ;)

I never tried the other/older instances because i dont like PvE but im sure its much easier with a disc or holy priest to farm gear

good luck

I haven't tried it in ICC, so obviously I'm guessing, but I'm pretty sure that unless you outgear the instance, VE is not going to cut it for tank healing :-)

Ughmahedhurtz
03-26-2010, 01:26 PM
I haven't tried it in ICC, so obviously I'm guessing, but I'm pretty sure that unless you outgear the instance, VE is not going to cut it for tank healing :-)

This is true. At level, the heals from VE stop being enough to keep an honest tank alive around the Underbog.

Moorea
03-27-2010, 02:11 AM
You don't even need the tank ;-) http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=27670

(well to be honest after 70 I kind of hit a wall with my 5 priests... can't do UK with them... but doing shattered halls was quite an accomplishment... worse the trip... and if I ever finish the grind, they'll be fun in PVP)