Storming The Citiadel

[Nejcha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrkfV1OfXQE

For those of you who saw my other videos, first four bosses of ICC done in super blurry fast mode!

This inclueds a poorly shot solo heal of Sarfang(no marks helps), and the best trick to the boat since they put it in (jumping of the side)

More to come!

[Mercurio]

Nechja,

Great job, this is quite inspiring.

A couple of observations:

At first I thought you skipped DPSing the first set of adds for Lady, but it looks like you just started the video after they were dead. You moved out of the D&D but ate the ghosts (lol, most solo players can't be bothered to move out of the way of ghosts either)

On gunship it looks like you have to manually jump your girls over but can just run back - great to know.

On Saurfang it looks like you just take out one blood beast, then the other and rely on stuns/slows to keep them from moving too much before they are dead.

You guys must be doing a LOT of DPS - more than most PuGs I've been in, because it seems like the bosses are dropping fast (and I don't mean just because the video is sped up - few add waves on Lady, no marks on Saurfang, etc). What kind of DPS are your raiders putting out on the bosses?

Again, fabulous work.

[Multibocks]

Weird, video refuses to play for me on youtube. Even after multiple page reloads.

[Mercurio]

Multi, same for me on one of my computers. I went my 2nd computer right next to it and it ran fine.

Nechja, nevermind about the question I asked - your guys do 8-9K DPS as answered in the other thread. :eek:

[Nejcha]

Weird, video refuses to play for me on youtube. Even after multiple page reloads.

Ya I saw that I'm going to try re uploading it later. Youtube is being very twitchy right now


At first I thought you skipped DPSing the first set of adds for Lady, but it looks like you just started the video after they were dead. You moved out of the D&D but ate the ghosts (lol, most solo players can't be bothered to move out of the way of ghosts either)

hehe ya I forgot to hit record, we only normally see two waves with our raid but we had our shadow priest practicing healing (she's never healed before) so she can on other fights when we did it. I do eat a ghost or two but dps > running around like a moron trying to avoid a 4k hit. In the words of Nj my pallie healer. "Stop fucking screwing around and hit the damn boss!" she's a peach. D&D is the real killer in the fight, spread out and the ghosts hit one of you healers just spot you back up. Group up and you die.


On Saurfang it looks like you just take out one blood beast, then the other and rely on stuns/slows to keep them from moving too much before they are dead.
As far as I know, stunning, knocking back and slowing is the way to do the fight with no marks. ;) Really we just kill them during the stun.


My dps is variable and normally fairly good in 10 (drops in 25 cause unlike my 10 raid leading that can be hearing cats). I see you saw my other post about it. On that fight all shamans were above 7k even with doing adds.

In 25's I'm the adds management for one whole side... it's fun. Times like that are why multiboxers are a blessing. Anything that requires add management and quick and 100% dps switchs I'm the friggen queen of. Everything else is just something to overcome.

[Mercurio]

Well, I feel much better about 7K DPS. That's attainable and I'm almost there on my locks and hunter now.

As for my shammies, your gear is definitely better than mine, but you run the same spec and a 4500 to 7500 DPS difference is still way to high. Guess I've got some work to do.

It looks like you have run ToGC and Ulduar quite a bit too, things my guys haven't tried much. I guess that gives you a huge base of boxing experience that you've built up over time. Looks like a few of us have some catching up to do to enjoy box raiding successfully as you have.

[Dorffo]

Sorry to semi-hijack the thread!

re: boxing raiding experience : Ulduar is a great great place to get your feet wet if you can find people to run "old" tier content. In current gear it is a bit more forgiving than it was, but most of the "gotchas" that will kill an unprepared box'd crew are all present throughout the various encounters. Naxx wasn't very representative of the newer raid model, and really just isn't very good practice now that folks can and do faceroll the place.

[Ogloo]

NIce job! my friends have been pestering me to raid, but i just didnt think ICC could be multiboxed but i guess it can :0
Ive done TOC 25 man (not heroic) full clear but thats it. never touched uludar other than first boss.

My question is---
How do you do the first boss (Lord Marrowgar)... ur strategy?
Its the raid weekly and i wanna do it as my gear is good enough, but dont want to go and get everyone all pissed :0

thanks so much

[SideWays]

Very nice! 7k DPS isnt that hard to reach so it maybe could be possible for me too :P

His strategy for marrowgar is to cuddle with the boss I guess :D

[Funnyshane]

NIce job! my friends have been pestering me to raid, but i just didnt think ICC could be multiboxed but i guess it can :0
Ive done TOC 25 man (not heroic) full clear but thats it. never touched uludar other than first boss.

My question is---
How do you do the first boss (Lord Marrowgar)... ur strategy?
Its the raid weekly and i wanna do it as my gear is good enough, but dont want to go and get everyone all pissed :0

thanks so much

Im not sure on the strat you have been using, but I assume it would be easy to do if you simply stack on the boss. If you stand close enough in the frost paths actually spawn behind you, which of course means you take no damage from them in this phase. However this will mean your tanks will take slightly more damage from them as they will target your tanks a lot more.

And then in p2 you just need to move out of the paths of frost. They always spawn the same way so I imagine it shouldnt be too difficult to move your guys.

It should probably be noted that I havnt boxed this fight, and this is all in theory - might not pan out exactly the way youd hope in practise :P

EDIT: What mod do you use for your raid frames? It looks really clean which I like as my UIs tend to be quite minimalist. Cheers!

[Nejcha]

NIce job! my friends have been pestering me to raid, but i just didnt think ICC could be multiboxed but i guess it can :0
Ive done TOC 25 man (not heroic) full clear but thats it. never touched uludar other than first boss.

My question is---
How do you do the first boss (Lord Marrowgar)... ur strategy?
Its the raid weekly and i wanna do it as my gear is good enough, but dont want to go and get everyone all pissed :0

thanks so much


Step1. Stack up in the red circle. Shoot!
Step2. Firenova, Thunerstorm, CL the spikes out. (or just hit them if you're not a shammadoodle)
Step3. When he whirls stay out of the fire and hide behind your shield... some times a chain heal if your healers arn't paying attention.
Step4. He's like leo and loves seering totems. You'll have to reset them.

[Nejcha]

What mod do you use for your raid frames? It looks really clean which I like as my UIs tend to be quite minimalist. Cheers!

So thats my clone's UI you see from, Nachje is my Film Shaman. She also runs on my video editing computer so I figure they go hand in hand. My leads UI looks a little bit diffrent but same concept.

http://www.nechja.com/newui.jpg

In both I use the same things, kgpanels to make it look clean, Bartender 4 to group my buttons up and pitbull3. The only other things I have loaded are omen (hooks in for sound mixer to my headset to beep at me for threat) and cast bars(they look so much cuter imo).

My lead also has recount, cdt, and xorsist. But thats all the extra.

I just started useing addons... I was very anti addon. I'll still never use a boss mod I call them lazy people mods.

Now I've gone though and gutted these for better memory usage. Still being a hardware/hybrid boxer I can be pretty on all my windows with out suffering.

[Funnyshane]

I just started useing addons... I was very anti addon. I'll still never use a boss mod I call them lazy people mods.

Now I've gone though and gutted these for better memory usage. Still being a hardware/hybrid boxer I can be pretty on all my windows with out suffering.

I couldnt agree with you more, I have never had DBM - if I didnt have to pay attention and just heeded all the warnings that mod spams at you Im sure Id fall asleep!

Pitbull eh? I should have realised as I use pitbull myself (however only for my character, target and target target frame, my party/raid frames are grid).

[Nejcha]

I find grid dosn't show me my raids mana and is kinda meh on looks and loves to eat memory...I like the vertical grouped raid it's quick to see every one's health and mana on my lead. Also predictive healing that pitbull gives keeps that healer in me from rageing every time I'm at low heath.

[Funnyshane]

Hmmm, I thought that grid was lightweight in terms of memory usage - perhaps that is something I should look into. But you can get an addon for grid which allows mana bars to be shown - I have that. And grid also shows incomming heals.

What sold it for me was the debuffs that grid shows on the frames. I dont know if you heal a lot but its amazing when there is a fight which revolves around a debuff of some sort - as far as I know pitbull doesnt have the same type of functionality.

This is my UI here

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/funnyshane/WoWScrnShot_011710_200400.jpg

[Nejcha]

You can set pit bull in auras to show a quick debuff that you can dispel. Or a nondispelable ones.

[Littleburst]

You can set pit bull in auras to show a quick debuff that you can dispel. Or a nondispelable ones.

Indeed, i love this feature. A frame from a person who has a debuff that you can cure gets a red glowing frame around it. it's awesome.

[Funnyshane]

Hmmm interesting. Ive only dabbeled in pitbull (so many options!) so I guess Ill have another look. Cheers :D

[Zal]

What does your raid generally consist of? Looks like you have 2 warriors, priest, 5 shamans, paladin and a warlock, but doesn't that leave your raid to caster heavy for the Lady Deathwhisper fight? Since you have to have melee to kill the one type of mob.

[Mercurio]

Nejcha told me she just has to kill the adherants in the first 8 seconds after they pop. If you do that they don't have a chance to reincarnate (and become caster immune).

[Nejcha]

Nejcha told me she just has to kill the adherants in the first 8 seconds after they pop. If you do that they don't have a chance to reincarnate (and become caster immune).

Mr. Mercurio is right Friend Zal. 8 Seconds. FS, LVB CL, (LB if they arn't dead) Move to the second one, you won't have LvB but if you should be able to just get it.

Keep in mind my raid only uses 1 healer for the first bosses typically. We do have some extra burn. But my fist time through with us only having 9 people in the raid (and two of them healers) I managed to smoke them still. Now it's just a joke. Some times she will do the dead to skelly buff. But it's rare and the tanks can normally dps it down before the next add spawns with out an issue. Also helps we only get 2 sets of adds. Stops weird errors.

[Zal]

Alright, i've downed Marrowgar, Lady Deathwhisper and Gunship. Deathbringer is causing some trouble but i think its because i can't down the beasts fast enough.

[Nejcha]

Knock back wins.

[Prega]

big big gz.
this experience shows me it s possible raiding with success at high level.

[Sbrowne55]

For some reason I thougth you boxed this alone. :P

Anyone know of someone who's done this without friends?

[Nejcha]

I guess pulling it off the first week it was out on four shaman wasn't cool enough for some one.

I know key maps and macroing every thing to one screen seems real hard for some of you folks.

But face it, I'm a hardwareboxer and pull off things most couldn't on four by being MUCH more in control of my ability's. My raids will tell you it's like playing with four people. Thats why I multibox, sorry it's not good enough for you.

QQ more.

[Zal]

For some reason I thougth you boxed this alone. :P

Anyone know of someone who's done this without friends?
Most i've seen is some boxers doing a just barely on marrowgar, and i'm willing to bet gunship will be impossible to "solo". So as far as i know Nejcha is probably the most advance pve boxer by a good chunk of gear and experience. Its pretty impressive.

[Nejcha]

Thanks : )

[DrChaos]

most i've seen is some boxers doing a just barely on marrowgar, and i'm willing to bet gunship will be impossible to "solo". So as far as i know nejcha is probably the most advance pve boxer by a good chunk of gear and experience. Its pretty impressive.

qft!

[Nejcha]

qft!

Hu?

[Mercurio]

QFT = Quoted For Truth

He's agreeing that you are uber, Ms. Nejcha!

[Theradin]

and i'm willing to bet gunship will be impossible to "solo"

You would lose that bet. ;)

[Nejcha]

With the buff up so high, and the fact you can do it with out a tank if you're crafty. (My group loves to mess around) I think you could. Just Shoot Cannons at goblins> Use your faceroll macros to tank adds> kill adds > Kill ax throwers> tank over stand on edge and tank agro > spam heals on said tank > pop over your dps > shoot mage > run off side > Win

[Toned]

I tried 4 boxing in ICC10 last night for the first time and must say it was a hell of a lot easier than I thought it was going to be. We did First 4 + fester. Do you have a video of you doing Fester and Rotface? Fester is completely easy, but I was more curious how you do Rot. If you have 1 person with the slime obviously you are kiting to your tank, but do you bother strafing side to side or something to avoid the acid spits? I'd assume you just kite the add and let the spit hit you, or do some strafing to minimize raid damage.

I was watching your Blood Queen kill on your youtube profile and was curious how your raid handles the biting. We have not progressed that far, but I was curious what you guys do so that I can be prepared :P

[Maxion]

In my main's raiding guild we stopped moving from acid spit a long time ago, easier to heal through it.
This makes it more easy to box it.
Still gotta move for slimes and explosion though, shouldn't be too bad.

[Toned]

Ya when we kill it when I'm just playing my holy paladin moving and what not isn't an issue. I figured Nejcha would just stand in it and run whoever has the slime to the tank if needed. That much moving would lower dps by more than is necessary I'd think. Moving for the explosion is simple enough :P

[Maxion]

Exactly

[Nejcha]

Ya when we kill it when I'm just playing my holy paladin moving and what not isn't an issue. I figured Nejcha would just stand in it and run whoever has the slime to the tank if needed. That much moving would lower dps by more than is necessary I'd think. Moving for the explosion is simple enough :P

I've shown rot face on my live feed a couple times both in 10 and 25... Sorry I haven't been active to answer questions... work is killing me...

I spread my shaman out in a cross pattern under the boss, so only one is hit by the spray, it's much easier to just pop one out each time then all four. When I get hit with the slime debuff I run just that shaman to the slime tank and let them take it. Keep in mind I learned how to do this the first week when he was still at higher health O.o

When the slime stacks to 5 and the explosion happens I just /follow move 20 yards into a safe zone and keep burning the boss. Then back in, spread out... win!

Moving just one at a time is my thing. In almost every fight people have seen from my live feeds and my videos can show you. I have a high degree of control over each shaman. Trust me, it helps.

On the question of bites:

It goes Warlock or Me who ever wins. Then Shadow priest. Then Warlock/Me (who ever lost) -> and one shaman clone. Then (since the 5% buff hit this hasn't happened, because she's dead before she flies the second time) I go for bites on my other two shaman and the Lock and Priest bite tanks. Then she dies.

[Toned]

Your rotface is pretty much what I was expecting I definately like that strat :) I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it goes.

The bites my plan is:
Arcane Mage / Shadow Priest whoever gets it first... Then they bite the other... Then they bite my 2 highest dps Shams. If we have to bite again I'll hit my alts and they'll hit the healers... Don't think it should get that far as you said that extra buff and the watered down ICC = success.

[Maxion]

Your rotface is pretty much what I was expecting I definately like that strat :) I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it goes.

The bites my plan is:
Arcane Mage / Shadow Priest whoever gets it first... Then they bite the other... Then they bite my 2 highest dps Shams. If we have to bite again I'll hit my alts and they'll hit the healers... Don't think it should get that far as you said that extra buff and the watered down ICC = success.

I suppose that like she said, if all the DPS has it, tanks should be next, since it is extra dps and healers should be far enough behind on threat already. Also I think maybe healers cant cast during the 10 sec period to bite someone?

[Toned]

Good point Maxion :P

[Toned]

Sigh... Rot down to like 30% on our best attempt we've downed him before, but it was sloppy. Have a few people who are total noobs to raiding and fail at situational awarness. 1 guy if he got the mini slime debuff it was like oh shit wipe it more or less fucker just couldn't get to the tank LOL. Other than that it was smooth first 5 1 shots... FML

[Mercurio]

Toned,

I usually have the same problem in my raids. One stupid idiot player who screws everything else up for the rest of us who are doing everything else right.

Oh, wait, that 10th player is also me!!

[Nejcha]

I find giving people the warning people before I invite them that: "If you fuck my raid up, I don't feel fear kicking you and replacing you with an alt played by me or running one space open." Normally helps those situations.

Killed Putracide in 25 with less then a full raid cause keeping the bad people around cost us more then it was worth. Some time it's best to let the bad players be bad some where else. Not every one can be helped.