Hmm am I looking at this right ? Congrats ?

[remanz]

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.x...ect=Noob+Boxer (http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Proudmoore&ts=5&t=Noob+Boxer&select=Noob+Boxer)

Rank NO.2 in BloodLust

57-1

and the most amazing thing is his gear.

I am shocked.

[Multibocks]

57-1... wow, what a stud!

[remanz]

Something doesn't quite add up. I tried to look at the match history. It crashed my browser though there was only 1 opposing team in it.

[Coltimar]

Crashed my browser too, Firefox and IE.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Crashed my browser too, Firefox and IE.

Ladies and gentlemen, we'd like to thank you for attending this week's "Divide By Zero 101: How Not to Program Scripts" hosted by the fine folks at Blizzard Entertainment.
http://ugh.scaredsheep.com/smileys/cwm28.gif
[edit] Or, they forgot to put timeouts in their scripts: http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=28261

[heyaz]

try catch plz

[Barazanthul]

Damn how did he do that? I started playing yesterday and all i was getting were 2200+ teams :( I really got ripped appart. 5 Minutes invite Time. 1 Minute to wait. 15 Seconds where i got rushed by some wizard cleave setups with a hunter in :(

[Naysayer]

i bet that druid is amazing.

[Kruschpakx4]

i bet that druid is amazing.

yeah challanger midnightelf is carrying him

[Naysayer]

yeah challanger midnightelf is carrying him
you mean challenger midnightelf can't be any good because he's only a 30-0 challenger playing with, challenger Twymân, challenger Twymán (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Twym%C3%A1n), challenger Twymän (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Twym%C3%A4n), challenger Twymàn (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Twym%C3%A0n), and challenger Twymån (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Twym%C3%A5n).

lol

you're just another one of those judgmental gearscore anal armory douchebag types.

[Barazanthul]

I think you misunderstood him. He is not complaning that the druid or the team is good or bad just joking about the name. :)

[Kruschpakx4]

ok 5v5 was really a joke today, I've just faced 1300-1500 mmr teams and stopped playing after 7 games because thats boring -.-

[remanz]

Ok. My apologies for starting this. I was just surprised to discover this team. I could not verify the record as the team's match history showed blank.

There are 3 possibilities here:

1. Armory bug. Just some XML error for displaying the team/characters.

2. All the results are legit. Still armory error for not showing the match records. and He is godlike to achieve this kinda record with his gear level. and my bad for doubting him .

3. The results are not legit. There are some kind of exploit to gain wins that I/we do not know about.


Either way, I am sure we will get more info as the season goes on.

[Kruschpakx4]

don't misunderstand that ... I was just joking because naysayer said "I bet that druid is amazing", I checked the armory and found out that he has never palyed above 1500(5v5 17xx), so his pvp gear is carried by Twymân :>
I've never said that this druid is bad (I don't know him :D)

I'm a bad multiboxer and my 5v5 team is clearly carried by gladiator sorrayqt, he kills everthing with holy shock/hammer of wrath
understood? :D

[Meathead]

Im from bloodlust aswell and to tell you the truth its easy to get 1650 in the first week due to the fact of all the pro players are playing 3v3 now...I havent started my 5v5 yet but last season I got to 1500+ in the first day of playing. All you need is a good healer if you can keep the burst up then its basically GG ow that they nerfed healing I cant wait to try it with my team and yea Congrats to him..I will see him on the battlefield!

[Kruschpakx4]

Im from bloodlust aswell and to tell you the truth its easy to get 1650 in the first week due to the fact of all the pro players are playing 3v3 now...I havent started my 5v5 yet but last season I got to 1500+ in the first day of playing. All you need is a good healer if you can keep the burst up then its basically GG ow that they nerfed healing I cant wait to try it with my team and yea Congrats to him..I will see him on the battlefield!

same here on emberstorm, 1300-1800 teams today, 23-0 :p

[drevil]

same here on emberstorm, 1300-1800 teams today, 23-0 :p

the problem is... we have only 40 5v5 teams but 1500 3v3 and 7000 2v2 teams :(

[Barazanthul]

I play on Blutdurst EU and the first three days i got stomped to the ground by 2000++ teams. Today i faced 5 teams and won against 4 of them :)

[Kruschpakx4]

I play on Blutdurst EU and the first three days i got stomped to the ground by 2000++ teams.

isn't 2000 freewin? :D

[Barazanthul]

isn't 2000 freewin? :D

Not really .... i played with a new healer and so it was like: gates opened whole team charged in and rofelstomp me to the ground. I hate Meleeteams :(. In addition we were making big mistakes ... chasing pillarhuggers and so on.

[remanz]

Huh. I don't wanna start a rating competition here. There are clearly something with that 57-1 record. Don't have to try to beat it to show your skills.

For free wins , where the other team who didn't come in, I normally see who they are on the result panel even though they didn't come into the arena. This season, I notice some matches where they didn't come in. The opposing team is unknown. Not sure if this is due to them leaving the queue or something. But the panel only showed my team in it. This would not generate a match history on armory I think. and might be why we are not seeing the match history.

[Iceorbz]

Im sorry id like to give credit where credit is due, but something seems super fish about a 57-1 record...This is not season 3 lol.

Teams are in ilvl 245+ gear, cleaving, aoeing, and raping nearly all the way through. It was straight rape for some. Lets see how his record pans out over the next few weeks. That druid could be super pro, but im pretty skeptical.

[Kruschpakx4]

I'm currently on 1804 with 57-8 (#1(!)), I lost 4 games against a really bad 4dps team (3-4), I lost those games where I nuked the ele shaman and won those where I nuked the warrior(bladestorm>shaman), other 2 loose againt 2300 wizard (2-2), one game against 5 boxer (5-1) and finally one loose due to disconnect (I have already spend 3 points into improved blizzard but the company still sucks)

If your just getting low teams you can also go for 100-0 but then you have like 2200+ mmr and you'll play another day against all those high rated teams
But I think twyman's gear isn't strong enough to kill full pvp targets (... ok shamans) with instant lava burst so I'm sure hes playing almost perfect

[Ellay]

That's awesome that Shamans are doing well again, I'm glad the Resil buff helped this combo out.

[Void]

Every time i try to open match history explorer locks up for that team. sigh

[Kruschpakx4]

Yep resilience buff helped me, I'm still able to nuke a warrior in deff stance with 39k life 1k+resi with fs instant lava burst +rocket, I tried that in nagrand arena with a friends warrior and I globald him all 5/5 attemps
Overall, I like the resilience change :D

[heyaz]

Yep resilience buff helped me, I'm still able to nuke a warrior in deff stance with 39k life 1k+resi with fs instant lava burst +rocket, I tried that in nagrand arena with a friends warrior and I globald him all 5/5 attemps
Overall, I like the resilience change :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3094/2713049064_a756f5dceb.jpg

[Eloxy]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3094/2713049064_a756f5dceb.jpg

I didnt get it, bad or good? (for quad shammys)

[Kruschpakx4]

good - taking less damage but still oneshot enemys :>

4 dps has become more effective, I'm taking less damage, so I have more time to purge and fake nuke/ flash nuke paladins/hunter into bubble/detrance and I'm still able to oneshot full pvp enemys with instant lava burst
For example:me against 4 dps team - warrior shadow priest ele shaman boomkin holypaladin, they are rushing, I drop 4x magma totem paladin bubbles instant so group takes 20% less damage - clear the warrior, interrupt enemy caster with wind shear arena 1-4, hex arena target 1-4, I have a purge rotation for arena 1-5 against bloodlust !very important against 4 dps even you kill the first one instant 3 dps with bloodlust are still able to kill a shaman in 1 gcd so dispell bloodlust at first! - check silience on toons - no silience? dropp one ingrim redropp 3 magmas groundings, then blow thunderstorm - the warrior switches to berserker stance and intercepts, so at this point, if I know that the warrior and the priest have cooldown on fear I'm using the I win button to nuke the warrior, targeting anyone else, warrior dies in berserker stance, if he switchs instantly back to battle stance I could also kill him but usually I'm waiting until bubble is over, next focus target will be the shaman, my toons have a focus windshear makro on different spells, so shaman one is focus windshearing when using lava burst, shaman two is focus windshearing when using chain light and so on, if I dropp grounding arena windshear 1-4, when healing arena windshear 1-4, thats very important use windshear as often as possible
against melee teams I have also earthshock 2-5 ... so If there is a rogue or feral in the enemys team he will pop up as arena 5

If there is a team with warrior+xxx whatever I'm always focusing the warrior, don't waste the instant for the elemental shaman if there is a warrior in the team because the warrior is 10 times more casual as a shaman :D
Against melee teams with warrior dk enhancer, warrior focustarget - don't try to nuke the enhancer, first thing he will do is using shamanistic rage in combination with resilience about 45% dmg reduce

[mrmcgee21]

I've noticed shamans and hunters both being a lot quicker to react defensively than other classes. Warriors more often than not are too slow. We hit 1800 last week after like 240 games played lol, I deffinately did not have the dominating experience that some did here. But I'm also rolling with a brand new team of shamans wearing wellfare epics ( just hit 80 last month ). That being said I was having trouble killing well geared targets but thats only due to not having engineering lvld yet and having low spell power still ( 2800sp without tow .. looks like it will jump to 3200 or even 3300 in full wrathful ). I use a lot of the same kind of keys as krushpak details above but I just recently started playing with the hex one .. its actually extremely nice against teams who blow divine sac right off the bat, buys enough time to wait that out(while purging the shit out of their entire team) instead of wasting time and mana nuking into it.

[asonimie]

krusch im sorry but walls of nonsense text are just no longer tolerable at this point. Shamans are the same as they were before, and "lolGlobaling" a stationary warrior target alone means absolutely nothing. Ya, my EM LVB PYRO hit for 78,000 against a training dummy last week... but alas it doesn't mean shit. Go for warriors over elemental shaman (the best target...) is also nonsense.

PS the facepalm was in reference to you.. not an encouragement to wall-o-text everything myself and others came up with for quad shammy tactics 9 months ago.

[Acidburning]

good - taking less damage but still oneshot enemys :>

4 dps has become more effective, I'm taking less damage, so I have more time to purge and fake nuke/ flash nuke paladins/hunter into bubble/detrance and I'm still able to oneshot full pvp enemys with instant lava burst
For example:me against 4 dps team - warrior shadow priest ele shaman boomkin holypaladin, they are rushing, I drop 4x magma totem paladin bubbles instant so group takes 20% less damage - clear the warrior, interrupt enemy caster with wind shear arena 1-4, hex arena target 1-4, I have a purge rotation for arena 1-5 against bloodlust !very important against 4 dps even you kill the first one instant 3 dps with bloodlust are still able to kill a shaman in 1 gcd so dispell bloodlust at first! - check silience on toons - no silience? dropp one ingrim redropp 3 magmas groundings, then blow thunderstorm - the warrior switches to berserker stance and intercepts, so at this point, if I know that the warrior and the priest have cooldown on fear I'm using the I win button to nuke the warrior, targeting anyone else, warrior dies in berserker stance, if he switchs instantly back to battle stance I could also kill him but usually I'm waiting until bubble is over, next focus target will be the shaman, my toons have a focus windshear makro on different spells, so shaman one is focus windshearing when using lava burst, shaman two is focus windshearing when using chain light and so on, if I dropp grounding arena windshear 1-4, when healing arena windshear 1-4, thats very important use windshear as often as possible
against melee teams I have also earthshock 2-5 ... so If there is a rogue or feral in the enemys team he will pop up as arena 5

If there is a team with warrior+xxx whatever I'm always focusing the warrior, don't waste the instant for the elemental shaman if there is a warrior in the team because the warrior is 10 times more casual as a shaman :D
Against melee teams with warrior dk enhancer, warrior focustarget - don't try to nuke the enhancer, first thing he will do is using shamanistic rage in combination with resilience about 45% dmg reduce

Krus,

could you post your macro setup for this please, very interested:

my toons have a focus windshear makro on different spells, so shaman one is focus windshearing when using lava burst, shaman two is focus windshearing when using chain light and so on

also, are you using Gladius for arena frames?

[Kruschpakx4]

you should do wahtever you like, I don't care, I've just given an !example! to a four dps team I faced yesterday, that does not mean that I use that tactic in every game, usually I go for killing the warrior if there is no other ms dealer in the team. If you don't like my tips / examples ignore them, I have also no reason to share them and makros won't win the game, it's all about the playstyle, dealing with rezzes, splitting up shamans if you get aoe'd ect ... I haven't read all of you "how to play" posts so I'm sorry if I repead some things but I don't think it's against the rules :>
anyway probably my macros/tactics are just shit but it seems like that my playstyle fixes ~~


krusch im sorry but walls of nonsense text are just no longer tolerable at this point. Shamans are the same as they were before, and "lolGlobaling" a stationary warrior target alone means absolutely nothing. Ya, my EM LVB PYRO hit for 78,000 against a training dummy last week... but alas it doesn't mean shit.


yeah if you burst a warrior while group sacrafice/roar of sacrafice blubble ect your completely right ...
warrior spinning around ? key word: focus interact

[mrmcgee21]

The new arena targeting system allows for macros such as /cast [target=arena1] purge, or /cast [target=arena2] purge. I imagine you get how the 3rd, 4rth, and 5th targets would look now. Also personally I simply have wow macro actions setup in isboxer like /target arena1 and /target arena2 to target the enemy. I also use gladius but I have found the keybinds for gladius are buggy as hell when it comes to targeting.

If you use Isboxer you can also setup a multiple step keybind where your first step is char1 windshear arena1, next step is char2 windshear arena2, and so on.

Oh one last thing, the default blizz arena frames show enemy cast bars now as well ( as does gladius ).

[drevil]

i like krusch pvp posts.. in fact they are the only ones giving me some new ideas against 2k+ teams.

but please krusch post this stuff in the rated arena section ;-)

[Acidburning]

The new arena targeting system allows for macros such as /cast [target=arena1] purge, or /cast [target=arena2] purge. I imagine you get how the 3rd, 4rth, and 5th targets would look now. Also personally I simply have wow macro actions setup in isboxer like /target arena1 and /target arena2 to target the enemy. I also use gladius but I have found the keybinds for gladius are buggy as hell when it comes to targeting.

If you use Isboxer you can also setup a multiple step keybind where your first step is char1 windshear arena1, next step is char2 windshear arena2, and so on.

Oh one last thing, the default blizz arena frames show enemy cast bars now as well ( as does gladius ).

Thanks for the info. I will have to boot up some 3s and do some tests :D

[Fat Tire]

The new arena targeting system allows for macros such as /cast [target=arena1] purge, or /cast [target=arena2] purge. I imagine you get how the 3rd, 4rth, and 5th targets would look now. Also personally I simply have wow macro actions setup in isboxer like /target arena1 and /target arena2 to target the enemy. I also use gladius but I have found the keybinds for gladius are buggy as hell when it comes to targeting.

If you use Isboxer you can also setup a multiple step keybind where your first step is char1 windshear arena1, next step is char2 windshear arena2, and so on.

Oh one last thing, the default blizz arena frames show enemy cast bars now as well ( as does gladius ).

I second this, once I learned about target=arena1,2,3 etc. my success in 2s/3s went way up.

[Littleburst]

i played about 24 games last week, started at a MMR around 0 and ended up with meeting like 5 teams with an MMR > 2200, when i had an MMR of 1600-1800 after a few wins. Think we went 13-11 or so finally. So good luck at getting 60-0.

[remanz]

Well. I am pretty sure this is win trading now. The rating IS NOT legit

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Proudmoore&ts=5&t=Noob+Boxer&select=Noob+Boxer

[heyaz]

Well. I am pretty sure this is win trading now. The rating IS NOT legit

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Proudmoore&ts=5&t=Noob+Boxer&select=Noob+Boxer

Yes. He gained 1600+ points from this team alone:
http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Blackrock&ts=5&t=no+wins+to+full+wrathful

[Kruschpakx4]

you mean challenger midnightelf can't be any good because he's only a 30-0 challenger playing with, challenger Twymân, challenger Twymán (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Twym%C3%A1n), challenger Twymän (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Twym%C3%A4n), challenger Twymàn (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Twym%C3%A0n), and challenger Twymån (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&cn=Twym%C3%A5n).

lol

you're just another one of those judgmental gearscore anal armory douchebag types.


Well. I am pretty sure this is win trading now. The rating IS NOT legit

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Proudmoore&ts=5&t=Noob+Boxer&select=Noob+Boxer



Yes. He gained 1600+ points from this team alone:
http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Blackrock&ts=5&t=no+wins+to+full+wrathful

ha

ha

[Fat Tire]

Well. I am pretty sure this is win trading now. The rating IS NOT legit

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Proudmoore&ts=5&t=Noob+Boxer&select=Noob+Boxer


Yea, whoever this person is they are not too bright. I dont think he/she realized how many people spend their time looking at this stuff.:rolleyes:

[Fat Tire]

Moral ambiguity aside, I would imagine it is the fastest way to gear out your characters allowing you to skip the sometimes insane tiered gear grind for new characters.

[Zappy]

31-0 so far this week. Too bad the match history isn't current yet.

[Fat Tire]

31-0 so far this week. Too bad the match history isn't current yet.

Yea, I think the armory will always be in beta so blizzard can always use the line, "If it doesnt always work, its still in beta." Unless of course they start charging for it.....

[Kruschpakx4]

match history shows that he has just won against low equipped teams and lost to every average geared team, gained 1600 points from one team, pretty sure that those 31-0 this week were traded again

[Zappy]

Actually he seems to do pretty well against this team:

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Proudmoore&ts=5&t=KFC&select=KFC

Ironically, all those guys have their relentless weapons, and have won 1 of 154 so far this season.

It's pretty clear that he's playing all 10 accounts at once and queuing against himself. I made an alt on his server to spy, and sure enough, there's 10 accounts with "Twy" all logged on at once.

[heyaz]

Besides being a bit shady, is this illegal, if you happen to own all 10 accounts?

[remanz]

The art of win trading, I call Fat Tire, please explain, lol.

I can't imagine queue against the same team 50 times in a roll without fucking up even once. Last time I check, if you queued and did not enter, you lose points.

[heyaz]

Well you would enter on the team that you wanted points for. Other team wouldn't enter. I know win trading was once illegal, but there were some safeguards put in place to make it less effective. I'm curious if it's still legal.

Could also be an exception for multiboxers. If you entered on both teams, and played on both teams (of course making sure the right team won) and weren't trading with another high rated team, perhaps it would be legit. Although a bit shady.

[Gramzngunz]

Maybe he just ques really really early in the morning, like 5-6am when most people wouldn't be running 5's because they can't find 5 other people insane enough to be up that early for competitive pvp.

EDIT: Maybe we just need to make a lowbie guy on his server and try some social engineering? Say "oh we think you're so great and you inspire us all, make a video!" and see what he has to say lol.


or maybe he doesn't care and he'll just tell us what his scam is because he just wants the points/gear and doesn't care who knows how he gets it.

[remanz]

Huh? You queued. The queue poped on one of your teams (the one you want pts for). But did not pop on the other of your teams. Leave this queue you lose points. Go in. this is sure not your other team.

I am pretty sure it is illegal. Worst case will result a temporary ban with weapon + armor stripped.

[remanz]

Maybe he just ques really really early in the morning, like 5-6am when most people wouldn't be running 5's because they can't find 5 other people insane enough to be up that early for competitive pvp.

Ya. that's the only way I can think of.

[Chranny]

Huh? You queued. The queue poped on one of your teams (the one you want pts for). But did not pop on the other of your teams. Leave this queue you lose points. Go in. this is sure not your other team.

I am pretty sure it is illegal. Worst case will result a temporary ban with weapon + armor stripped.

This. Pretty sure any and all arranged games are against the ToS/EULA.

[Zappy]

I was from Hakkar before I xferred to Ner'zhul. Biomojo was the first person to start win trading. He got gladiator in Season 1 legitimately, then had a ton of screenshots from talking to GMs asking if what he was doing was okay, and then at the end of the season, they finally stripped him of everything. His record was something insane like around 350 with no losses. What they did was win trade up to where they wouldn't get many points, then disband the other team, recreate it, and get the ratings up on that team to where they could win trade it up again.

The fix they put in place makes it so that it's very unlikely to get the same team in back to back matches. Before the fix, all you had to do was queue at the same time and you'd get the same team.

Unfortunately, it's still pretty easy to do at the right hour. Just find an off hour where very few teams are queueing - on hakkar (vengenance BG), 60 minute queues were easy to find. So what they would do is queue both teams at the same time, and eventually the matchmaking system gives in as it finds no other teams to match you with and gives you the same team.

What he's doing is definitely not legit, as win trading is all about queuing up to play the same team every time, bypassing all the other players in the bracket. I seriously doubt he can go much higher as his other team has got to be close to where he'll get 0 points for them.

[heyaz]

The fix they put in place makes it so that it's very unlikely to get the same team in back to back matches. Before the fix, all you had to do was queue at the same time and you'd get the same team.
.

You will get the same team again in 4 minutes, if there are no other teams. On reckoning, any time other than primetime we will get the same team every 4 minutes. Even if there are only 2 of us queueing, it will still make us wait.

[remanz]

We probably just open a can of worms for 10 boxing. Probably just delete this whole thing and pretend it never happened.

[Zappy]

Yah. That's what I was trying to say. If you queue at off hours, you can defeat the system.

[Zappy]

We probably just open a can of worms for 10 boxing. Probably just delete this whole thing and pretend it never happened.

Why? There's a few legitimate 10+ boxers out there. If he gets banned for his actions, that shouldn't speak for other boxers.

[Fat Tire]

nvm

[Fat Tire]

nvm

[remanz]

we know it is win trading. we know it is not legit. probably just leave it like that.

[Fat Tire]

nvm

[Noids]

Twyman is a member of the community here and I am sure I have seen hime post before so he is probably checking this thread out too :P

[Fat Tire]

Twyman is a member of the community here and I am sure I have seen hime post before so he is probably checking this thread out too :P

aye, its funny. Ever since my post/s(that I deleted), I have had about 20 people add me to their MSN IM since its linked by my name asking about win trading.:confused:

[Èlemental]

we know it is win trading. we know it is not legit. probably just leave it like that.


Sorry forgive my noobness, but what is win trading? Just as it sounds? Trading wins? Just wondering. :P

[remanz]

Oh , asking me ? Its the thing they do to cure cancer, stop global warming, and turn water into oil.

In other words, it should not be talked about it.

[Iceorbz]

Sorry forgive my noobness, but what is win trading? Just as it sounds? Trading wins? Just wondering. :P

What blizzard ruled in the negative on was intentionally queing against another team, and basically having a predetermined outcome ie: you and I que, but in vent we know its us and you will let me win the match. Teams were able to rank up against each other in normally offpeak hours and then trade wins to each other in efforts to boost rating, and control top spots.

This is a violation of the arena system, and a good way to lose your arena gear / titles.