Outlands at 58 or wait?

[Texic]

Well my 4 shaman are now 58 with the exception of 1 which is a level behind and I am not sure if I want to try and wait or hit outlands now. I am just a bit worried about being out of quests before 70 if I don't instance much. Anyone have any suggestions?

[Xcon]

You should be fine if you go to outlands now.

I went there on my shamans at 58 and had 2 entire areas of quest left when i hit 70.

[Gallo]

I'd say wait until that one laggard is to 58 so that he can actually pick up the quests in Hellfire Peninsula with the rest of your characters.

[Texic]

I'd say wait until that one laggard is to 58 so that he can actually pick up the quests in Hellfire Peninsula with the rest of your characters.

Yea I am actually doing quests on him now to get him up.

[Gallo]

I'd say wait until that one laggard is to 58 so that he can actually pick up the quests in Hellfire Peninsula with the rest of your characters.

Yea I am actually doing quests on him now to get him up.

Yeah, level him solo for a few hours, ding 58, and jump through the dark portal :)

[Vyndree]

I waited until 60 for these reasons:

Everyone I know who went at 58 couldn't hit 62 before Zangarmarsh (prereq level for some quests)
There are plenty of non-collection 60-ish quests in Azeroth
There are plenty of 60 instances (need to level cooking? Go hang out in DM)
Nobody hangs out in Azeroth anymore - no worries of gankage (which is TYPICAL in hellfire peninsula on my server)
Hellfire Ramparts is ROUGH even with hellfire gear at 61-62. (I'm thinking Nazan here). If you run out of quests before Zangarmarsh, you'd either have to suck it up and farm Ramps, or see if you can do BF depending on your level/gear.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I'd recommend you go do as much of hellfire as possible at 58 (minus ramparts), then when you're 59 and have upgraded most of your gear to outlands greens/blues, go back and finish up the quests in Azeroth.

[marvein]

I'd recommend you go do as much of hellfire as possible at 58 (minus ramparts), then when you're 59 and have upgraded most of your gear to outlands greens/blues, go back and finish up the quests in Azeroth.

Waste of time IMO, the azeroth zones were blaanced for the gear they had in them so it is certainly still doable until 60 and exp from quests/instances is far more precious post 60 due to the huge jump in exp/level requirements. It would be faster to stay in zeroth until 60 then jump right into the quests in hellfire. By the time you have completed all the quests in there you should be decently geared in outlands equip, getting close to lvl 62 and can then start into ramparts to finish it off. Stay there as long as you like then move onto zangar (or BF if you want)

[Eteocles]

I second the "Azeroth to 60 then hit outland" option; sure, people say they hit 70 without ever doing SMV or Netherstorm, but 58 is a bit low for hellfire's more advanced quests and it would be wasting good quest exp early on; go do the easy quests in silithus, gank that elite scorpion really quick, and do a few easy winterspring quests to maximize yer quest exp before you spend the "good" quests in outlands. If you really want the outlands gear grab some cheap pieces off the AH before heading out :p

[Ughmahedhurtz]

If you spend a few hours in hellfire getting the first round of outlands greens, you'll be geared enough that you can breeze through strat/scholo, and the quests for those give you 15k each.

/shrug

Depends on how much xp-for-cash you want saved up at the end, I guess.

[Otlecs]

Unless you specifically want to finish specific quests in Azeroth for whatever reason (I can think of none off the top of my head...), hit Outland as soon as your entire team hits level 58.

The xp from killing mobs in Outland is significantly higher than in Azeroth, and your group will trivialise all except the instance quests, which can wait a level or two.

[unit187]

I went to the Outlands once I hit lvl 58. Actually, I have had hard time finding quests.

I've done 95% quests in peninsula and 90% in Zangarmarsh, even some very weird gathering quests. And even then I had to grind 70k exp to hit 62 to be able to get last quests in Zangarmarsh and Terokkar Forest. Pretty lame. But on other hand, I have done whole winterspring/plaguelands/silithus and had to grind Tyrs Hand till 58 to go to outlands so I basically have no idea how to quest 58-60.

[Dor]

i always go to outlands at 58 and farm mobs to 60 then go to ramparts til honored then start quests.. i always hit 70 on my guys in blades edge never stepping foot in sm or nether

[Texic]

Well I ended up going to outlands at 58 because I had used quests in winterspring and silithus to catch up a shaman that was 2 levels behind.
I am however forcing myself to do every collection quest to make up as much as I can. My plan is to sit in ramparts until 62 once I finish the rest of the quests. With a 70 rogue ramparts was pretty easy so thats the plan for now.

[aetherg]

I would wait until 60; you can run BRS/Scholo if you're out of quests. I've found it really makes Outlands way easier to start two levels later. You never run out of quests, and usually end up with Netherstorm/SMV barely touched. That translates into a pretty ridiculous amount of XP-to-gold conversion.

Edit: It's a lot easier if you're starting from scratch; if you plan it out, and work through two newbie zones, you can get enough of a quest buffer by level 20 to last you the rest of the way to 60. You can do yellow quests nonstop, skip gathering stuff, and still have a zone leftover at 60.

[Bollwerk]

Don't go until 60. I went at 58 and I got to a point where I couldn't get some quests because I was too low. I didn't want to goto Zangarmarsh before finishing Hellfire, so I went back to Azeroth to level a bit more.

[Eteocles]

Going at 58:
Too low/behind the curve from Zangarmarsh on
Tougher kills
Easy gank target

Going at 60:
Steadier progression(Moreso if you skip the zangar collection quests with pitiful-as-hell droprates, firefly wings anyone? *shudder*)
Quicker/more efficient kills
Still an easy gank target but you'll have your skills + gear upgrades
Abusing the new quest exp bonus in Silithus/etc to maximize gain
Biggest perk of finishing Azeroth: NOONE EFFING GOES THERE ANYMORE, you have the whole map to yourself, no competition or ganking! lol

[Zseth]

Go at 58, I never ran out of quests, and had all of shadowmoon and half of netherstorm left when I hit 70, just follow Joana's guide and you will just rack up the XP from quests.

[Eteocles]

It's not about how many quests are left...you'll have them no matter what, it's about not wasting the GOOD quests too early. Now if you wanna grind mobs at 58 that's fine, but why waste the hellfire quest exp that early when you're still benefitting from the 20-60 exp boost with so many easy quests left in azeroth? Finish what ya can then come back and cash in on the good exp a lil later so you're not too behind lvlwise.

[Boylston]

Post 2.3, you need 15% less XP for 58->59 and 59->60, combined with the already nice BC quest XP in a place like Hellfire peninsula, mmmm fast leveling AND you can get started on the BC gear.

I can see the advantages on a PvP server, however. I play my shammy team on non-peak hours on our server (PvP), so I rarely have trouble, but I can appreciate a "grab BC loot and head back to Azeroth" strategy.

My whole guild is so excited about my little guys that I'm sure I'll just have a whole slew of people to run me through the first few instances... that's my plan and I'm sticking to it.

[Nepida]

To be honest I haven't had much trouble in Hellfire, though I only got there this Saturday. There was a hunter who kept harassing me, I did kill him once thankfully. Then later a warrior thought it would be smart to kill me, yeah I camped his ass.

Generally I was left alone, though flying mounts did make the hunter and warrior a pain to deal with.

edit1: XP wise I went there when I was 59. I kinda wish I would have waited till 60 because I like to be lvl 62 when I go to Zang, I'm 2/3 through 61 so pretty close.

[Kilh]

I ran out of quests (refuse to do the collection ones on 5 guys, unless it's an important chain) in HFP+Zangarmarsh, Terrokkar and currently Blades Edge, unable to get the quests for the next zone.

I did Ramparts/BF/SP/UB/MT along the way too.

I would recommend hitting Outlands at 58 and get geared up through the first tier of quests, then go back and run Strat/Scholo/Dire Maul etc for the quests there before proceeding. The TBC gear will make it so much easier and you still get decent XP for the mobs too.

[Vyndree]

Generally I was left alone, though flying mounts did make the hunter and warrior a pain to deal with.


This is the problem with hellfire. You've got 70's camping hte pvp objectives for marks or just for kicks while their guild sits them for Mag, and they'll stalk you from the sky until you're too paranoid to continue questing.

Not to mention the fel reaver. Seriously, do not stare at the sky too long that you forget about the fel reaver.

Hellfire is the outlands STV. Worse than nagrand -- at least once you're in Nagrand 70's will have to think if it's worth it to take on a multiboxer in their mid-60's. Low 60's a 70 ganker still stands a chance if they play well/have gear.

[unit187]

on my server - shadowmoon EU, we have like 3 times more horde then alliance and still I have quested through whole peninsula and didnt get ganked at all. I have met one very brave 70 hunter but after he got pwned, he ran in fear somewhere. Others 60-64 hordes were owned ofc. :)

[Nepida]

Generally I was left alone, though flying mounts did make the hunter and warrior a pain to deal with.


This is the problem with hellfire. You've got 70's camping hte pvp objectives for marks or just for kicks while their guild sits them for Mag, and they'll stalk you from the sky until you're too paranoid to continue questing.

Not to mention the fel reaver. Seriously, do not stare at the sky too long that you forget about the fel reaver.

Hellfire is the outlands STV. Worse than nagrand -- at least once you're in Nagrand 70's will have to think if it's worth it to take on a multiboxer in their mid-60's. Low 60's a 70 ganker still stands a chance if they play well/have gear.

Earlier today I went to Gurubashi with some of my guild mates and had some fights. The 1v1s I destroyed easily, though obviously it is very different from ganking. We did 2v3 (my five guys were part of the 2) and I learned a lot.

I have 5 62 shaman and I teamed with a lock
The other team was a mage, priest and hunter.

What got me, and are the things I have trouble with when ganked, are if my main dies, fear, arcane explosion. By having these fights I got a lot more comfortable with PvP. I still need to work on my macros to switch lead in a PvP environment as most are still focused for PvE.

I'd really recommend this to people, I know its helped me. <3 my tremor sequence macro now.