Stop being bad, easy things to make pugging raids easier for you.

[Svpernova09]

I see tons and tons of people wanting to pug raids. A lot of the time I'll armory them just for the lols. After a lot of laughing and many armories, I've come up with a bit of info I wanted to share for people who want to raid, or even people who may *think* they're raid ready.

So you want to raid? Great. But there are a few things you need to do before hand to not look like a total noob. I've often found that your Gems and Enchants will often make up for a lower GearScore in the eyes of a raid leader. Your enchants and gems speak *volumes* about you and how much you know about playing your toon.

Shoulder Enchants:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Sons_of_Hodir

Greater Inscription of the Axe Melee
Greater Inscription of the Crag Healer
Greater Inscription of the Pinnacle Tank
Greater Inscription of the Storm Caster

Doing the entire quest line gets you to Honored according to WoWWiki. I just did this a couple weekends ago on my Paladin, and I didn't even finish the quest line and was past honored. I don't think that the WoWWiki article has been updated since they sped up the rep gains in 3.3. My paladin was also human, so that may have helped as well. The dailies are not very multiboxing friendly, so if you want to skip the daily grind, just turn in relics from Honored to Exalted it only takes 510 Relic of Ulduar per toon. With as cheap as they are / have been recently in the AH. There is no reason you don't have 5x toons exalted. The enchants are now all BoA. You only need 1 toon on each account exalted to be able to buy the enchants for your alts. So if you don't have ANYTHING at all, it's going to take you probably 1 or 2 hours to do the quest line + 2,550 Relic of Ulduar to get to exalted.


Helm Enchants:
Arcanum of Burning Mysteries - Casters - Kirin Tor (revered)
Arcanum of Blissful Mending - Healers - The Wyrmrest Accord (revered)
Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector - Tanks - Argent Crusade (revered)
Arcanum of Torment - Melee - Knights of the Ebon Blade (revered)

You are already doing instances, wear the right tabard.

Poor man enchants (helm and shoulders): (use these until you can get the above, IE "better than looking like a noob with unenchanted gear")
Arcanum of Triumph - Melee (head) - Wintergrasp
Arcanum of Dominance - Caster (head) - Wintergrasp
Inscription of Triumph - Melee (shoulders) - Wintergrasp
Inscription of Dominance - Caster (shoulders) - Wintergrasp


Leg Enchants:
Icescale Leg Armor - Melee
Brilliant Spellthread - Caster
Frosthide Leg Armor - Tank

Note about Sapphire Spellthread and Earthen Leg Armor: IMHO no matter what the DPS class, Sapphire Spellthread is useless. You might as well get the SPI from Brilliant Spellthread instead of stam (The only exception here is for Shaman, Paladin healers where SPI really is useless). This isn't PvP, if you pull aggro, l2threat. Yes it's always your fault. (well, not *always* hehe). Earthen Leg Armor = PvP I don't care that you think your getting Resilience as a defensive stat, use Frosthide Leg Armor More stam is good mkay? AGI scales with kings. Resilience doesn't. The mats for these are very trivial if you are clearing heroics. Usually the highest price item is the arctic fur, but even these days that is trivial since you can trade leather for arctic fur.

Gems:
Gems are essential to any character at some point in time. You need to know what your main stats are, and what stats you should gem for, and why. I'm certainly not an expert on every class so I won't even begin to tell you how to gem your toon aside from a couple things. Hit rating. If your going to raid, you need to know what your hit rating cap is. If you are not hit capped, gem pure hit until you are, it really is your best stat. Not every socket bonus is worth it. +6 stam or +3 mp5 is not *crucial* for your caster, throw a pure SP gem or a pure hit gem (if you're not capped) instead. Your gear is not the technicolor rainbow, don't gem it that way. Meet your meta requirements and then gem your best stat(s). Tanks: Get a Nightmare Tear, they're damn cheap and 10 stats is sexy time + it counts as any gem color. Easy way to meet your meta. DPS: Nightmare Tear may not be ideal, but may not be bad in a clutch.

Activate your meta! ...and KEEP it active! If you don't understand how meta gems work, you need to look the gem and it will tell you what colors you need to have to "activate" it. If you mouse over your gear, and your meta gem is greyed out, it's not active! Activating your meta is always your first gemming priority.

Research your class:
The best rotations, best gem selections, best enchants and a lot more can be found at http://elitistjerks.com/f31/ Reading is Hard l2research.

Research the Encounters:
http://www.tankspot.com has GREAT videos that are tailored for entire raid groups, not just tanks. They give great explanations and often update their videos with patch changes and best practices. Being able to talk about the Twin's special abilities as well as the different kind of Lady Deathwhisper adds will make you really look good to a raid leader.

Enchant ALL of your gear:
Not that I've ever raided ICC10 with no enchant on my gloves ::COUGH:: But make sure everything you can get enchanted is enchanted. It all adds up and it makes you look like you actually give a damn about your toons.



BUT SVPER! Enchants are expensive!: Do dailies. Do professions. Gold is hard to get. No really. There are TONS and TONS of NPCs out in the world, they have question marks on their head, they want you to go do something really REALLY easy, when you complete their task, THEY GIVE YOU GOLD!!!!!omgzomgGOLD! Often, these GOLDGIVINGNPCS will send you to OTHER GOLD GIVING NPCS! What do they want? THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU MORE GOLD!!!1111

BUT SVPER! gems are expensive!: You can buy them with honor. No really.
BUT SVPER! I don't like to quest: Suck it up.
BUT SVPER! I don't want to suck it up: Go back to AV, this info is for people interested in PvE.
BUT SVPER! I know, I know, Fenril is a bad Warrior,
BUT SVPER! No seriously go quest. It seems really dumb to me that people who hate to quest play an MMO that is mostly quest centered. /mindboggle I understand wanting to PvP level, everyone needs a break from questing. But ffs. If you don't have a flying mount at 80... I heard questing was hard.

[zenga]

This is very useful info for new players like me. Thanks

[MiRai]

BUT SVPER! I know, I know, Fenril likes *censored*, he's still cool though.

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Mate?

I might just forget to taunt a group off of you while you're spamming mangle. Oops!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

We need a Common Sense forum, with this as the first sticky.

[Littleburst]

Nice write up.

my contribution:

I don't got cold weather flying :>

yes i'm lvl 80
no i didn't ding yesterday
no i did not miss it (yet)
at all.

[Naysayer]

lol

[Fursphere]

If you're on the bloodlust battlegroup:

Addons:
Gearscore (get it so you know what your score is)
ElitestGroup (tells you if people have shit gear / enchants / gems / pvp gear /etc)
Bimbo - Reminds you to gem / enchant your gear
Rankwatch - If you're using the wrong rank spell because you (or a bug) screwed up your bar? Prepare to get kicked from groups quickly if you have this happen to you.
DeadlyBossMods - you should have this installed, but if you don't, you're doomed.

[thinus]

Leg Enchants:
Icescale Leg Armor - Melee
Brilliant Spellthread - Caster
Frosthide Leg Armor - Tank

Note about Sapphire Spellthread and Earthen Leg Armor: IMHO no matter what the DPS class, Sapphire Spellthread is useless. You might as well get the SPI from Brilliant Spellthread instead of stam (The only exception here is for Shaman, Paladin healers where SPI really is useless). This isn't PvP, if you pull aggro, l2threat. Yes it's always your fault. (well, not *always* hehe).

I don't agree with this. I prefer the Sapphire Spellthread on my caster dps. You will always be taking AoE / targeted damage from different boss/trash abilities and it has nothing to do with aggro management. I can much easier imagine a situation where 30 stamina saves my ass as to a situation where 20 spirit is going to do anything useful whatsoever. And for Warlocks this is just blatantly wrong.

[zenga]

We need a Common Sense forum, with this as the first sticky.

that would be a good idea actually, and i also remember a thread from a guy with a great read about 'raiding for noobs', the do's and don'ts ... just can't recall the topic name, would fit in such a section as well

[Svpernova09]

I don't agree with this. I prefer the Sapphire Spellthread on my caster dps. You will always be taking AoE / targeted damage from different boss/trash abilities and it has nothing to do with aggro management. I can much easier imagine a situation where 30 stamina saves my ass as to a situation where 20 spirit is going to do anything useful whatsoever. And for Warlocks this is just blatantly wrong.


We'll have to agree to disagree. Your role is DPS, Stam is not a DPS stat. Period. Taking aoe damage? Get out of it. Die because of aoe that you got out of? Fix the healer issue you have.

[Velassra]

I don't agree with this. I prefer the Sapphire Spellthread on my caster dps. You will always be taking AoE / targeted damage from different boss/trash abilities and it has nothing to do with aggro management. I can much easier imagine a situation where 30 stamina saves my ass as to a situation where 20 spirit is going to do anything useful whatsoever. And for Warlocks this is just blatantly wrong.


I agree, 1 extra (or in my case 3) extra Lifetapping goodness.

Good info though.....like a quick start reference.

[Starbuck_Jones]

Trade leather for fur? Where/how do you do that?

[Svpernova09]

I don't agree with this. I prefer the Sapphire Spellthread on my caster dps. You will always be taking AoE / targeted damage from different boss/trash abilities and it has nothing to do with aggro management. I can much easier imagine a situation where 30 stamina saves my ass as to a situation where 20 spirit is going to do anything useful whatsoever. And for Warlocks this is just blatantly wrong.


I agree, 1 extra (or in my case 3) extra Lifetapping goodness.

Good info.....like a quick start reference though.

http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t38033-mage_equivalent_destruction_warlock/ (scroll to other stats under itemization

The reason I say use the SP / SPI leg enchant is this:

Spirit
Much better than it used to be thanks to the new Fel Armor. Without Demonic Aegis you gain 30% of your spirit as spell power and 39% with. The amount of mana rewarded through Life Tap also scales with spirit.


Also thinus, I don't understand why you're saying 20 STA > 20 SPI when your lock is using the 20 SPI leg enchant: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thaurissan&n=Msblack

[Fat Tire]

Nice write up.

You could always use the addons fur posted then you get to play World of Babysitting or if your not the babysitter its World of GearCraft.



Edit:

[Svpernova09]

Nice write up.

Its apparent that puggers are frustrating you, welcome to wow. You could always use the addons fur posted then you get to play World of Babysitting or if your not the babysitter its World of GearCraft.


Lately it's mostly multiboxers that don't know this info, not puggers. That's why I posted it in General, and not in the LoB section. We need to help each other not be noobs as much s we can. I do run a few of the addons Fur posted. Babysitting is just the thing. I don't want to babysit. And the people I invite to my raids, I expect them to know this stuff / have it done. And for the most part, they do, aside from the occasional time we just need a body and it doesn't matter what toon comes.

[Fat Tire]

Lately it's mostly multiboxers that don't know this info, not puggers. That's why I posted it in General, and not in the LoB section. We need to help each other not be noobs as much s we can.

bah you are too fast ;(

no ninja edit for me.....

it was a great write up, thank you.

[Svpernova09]

bah you are too fast ;(

no ninja edit for me.....

it was a great write up, thank you.


No worries man, You're quick on the edit too. I just don't want this to be seen as "QQ I'm an elitist asshole" I'd rather it be seen as a starting list for someone totally new to raiding.


Trade leather for fur? Where/how do you do that?


From this NPC

http://www.wowwiki.com/Braeg_Stoutbeard


He's standing outside the LW trainers, he's the one that sells the patterns.

10 Heavy Borean Leather = 1 Arctic Fur

[Fursphere]

Nice write up.

You could always use the addons fur posted then you get to play World of Babysitting or if your not the babysitter its World of GearCraft.



Edit:

You have to combat stupid with stupid. I suggest getting those addons so you know what others are seeing about your character profile.

[Fat Tire]

You have to combat stupid with stupid.

Sig worthy

My guild officers use most of those addons mentioned and we all use DBM plus the other most used raiding addons. I just wonder if blizzard made a mistake making the iLvl known, but I digress.

[falsfire3401]

Yeah I just love seeing ppl with the iLvl 245 triumph shoulders...with no enchant. Or an empty gem socket. No head enchant on an epic. Or green gems in epic gear. Sigh. The list goes on and on.

My favourite thing you didn't cover...

KILL SKULL FIRST DAMNIT!!!

A good tank can keep aggro off you even if you're attacking the wrong target, but still, the faster the Skull dies (there's this thing called "focus fire"), that's one less mob to worry about.

[Littleburst]

We'll have to agree to disagree. Your role is DPS, Stam is not a DPS stat. Period. Taking aoe damage? Get out of it. Die because of aoe that you got out of? Fix the healer issue you have.

Asuming people are perfect spirit > stamina yes. Asuming people do make mistakes because we're not perfect, stamina can be usefull in cases.

[Vecter]

I'm an elitist asshole"

This is the only reason I hang with you.

[Svpernova09]

Asuming people are perfect spirit > stamina yes. Asuming people do make mistakes because we're not perfect, stamina can be usefull in cases.


The point of this post was to have a raid focus. Since a lot of us are pugging raids now that we're finishing off our T9 sets. 20 stamina, even with kings, is not going to let you survive that 40k hit you took from the raid boss.

[thinus]

Also thinus, I don't understand why you're saying 20 STA > 20 SPI when your lock is using the 20 SPI leg enchant: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thaurissan&n=Msblack

Its 30 stamina vs 20 spirit.

I stand corrected on Warlocks, I forgot that spirit contributed to SP, had a pre 3.0 flashback.

As for Msblack, my tailor probably only had the mats for the brilliant spellthread at the time and I am also not raiding on these characters. I think the difference between the two enchants is so minor that either should be fine for any caster dps.

Your subject is "easy things to make pugging raids easier for you". If you are pugging you don't know the healers or their competency. You don't have the ideal class balance. Sometimes the dps will just have to suck it up till the heals get around to them. Your job as a dps is to stay alive and dps, not just dps, you cannot dps when you are dead and sacrificing 20 spirit for more survivability will always be a great trade for me but in the greater scope of things I don't think it matters much and either should be fine.

[sliptrap]

BUT SVPER! I know, I know, Fenril likes men, he's still cool though.


LOL just isnt enough... ROFL is barley descriptive enough... LMAO really doesnt do it justice.... so i just have to say ROFLMAOSLTNCTC. (ROFLMAO u know... SLTNCTC=so loud the neighbors called the cops)


Zod bows before the almighty Svper

[sliptrap]

W

I might just forget to taunt a group off of you while you're spamming mangle. Oops!

Dont worry bear i got your back :)

[Svpernova09]

ROFLMAOSLTNCTC @ Zod's new user title

[MiRai]

I hate you people...



I might just forget to taunt a group off of you while you're spamming mangle. Oops!

Dont worry bear i got your back :)
You won't always be there to save the loldpsmew...Paladin.

[zenga]

Yeah I just love seeing ppl with the iLvl 245 triumph shoulders...with no enchant. Or an empty gem socket. No head enchant on an epic. Or green gems in epic gear. Sigh. The list goes on and on.


or some people are still 'building' and ...
- don't have the tradeskills to craft their own stuff yet
- don't have enough connections in the game to get it cheap from a crafter when it's not available on the AH
- don't have the required rep with a faction
- decided to use a lower gem as they need the gold for other / better upgrades
- just don't have enough experience/knowledge to have a complete overview yet as they are new to the game to make the proper decisions

I love seeing seasoned people with badass gear and all the top enchants who...
- do lessor the same dps than myself
- gave me earlier on their 'expert' opinion about stuff that turns out to be not correct later on (unintended)
- make the same mistakes over and over again

I for one am playing wow for 3 months (my raf ended today). I refused offers to run me through instances to gear up, i did it myself the hard way. I don't have all the proper enchants. I see what i can do with the gold i have available. I've learned a lot from experimenting with lower enchants to see if they make a real difference. When i dinged 80 i've spent most of my gold on a few crafted major upgrades (and probably got ripped). But i improve my game every day. By keeping my eyes open.

Many people on my realm laughed at me when i spent time doing AV's to collect honor to get my shammies the gladiotor gear. But i kept doing it as i didn't feel comfortable running instances yet. It was the easiest way to increase my dps. The resilience might be worthless in pve, spell power & hit rating is the same + i became less killable in pvp. I didn't want to spend any money on gems / enchants for that gear, as it was just temp stuff. Started recently with clearing hc's in that gear and badges are coming in. When i acquire a piece that I consider part of my final build, i do spend the gold on enchants/gems provided they fit within my budget.

Several have asked me to join a raid because they see i make progress, i stick to a plan and i don't do really stupid stuff. They don't ask me because my gear score is imba or because i spend loads of gold to have a few improvements. They ask me because they know i inform myself as much as possible. (so far i have refused to take part in any raids as i want to complete my gear first boxing).

I do realize if i would join a raid some might have the same reaction like you. But my point is that judging someone's gear should be done within it's context, rather than hard numbers or the theory.

[Fursphere]

You have to combat stupid with stupid.


Sig worthy

I almost didn't post it - because of the obvious flame war it could have created. But you'd be amazed at how many times RankWatch goes crazy in PuGs at a healer using the wrong rank of spells - and then they thank me for point it out!

Then... some fucktard DPS starts bitching at ME (tank) for not pulling while the healer is fixing there spells. /sigh I even had a Warlock try to vote-kick me for helping the Resto Druid with healing "best practices". (the druid was super thankful)

Idiots. They're everywhere. :eek:

But on the subject of stupid - I *HATE* gearscore because of how people use it. My guild has proven time and time again that gear doesn't make the player, and we can do things with WAAAAAAAY less gear than we should have. (gogogo Priest healing Ony 10 in blues and greens! you know who you are you superstar!)

[jimbobobb]

If you're on the bloodlust battlegroup:

Addons:
Gearscore (get it so you know what your score is)
ElitestGroup (tells you if people have shit gear / enchants / gems / pvp gear /etc)
Bimbo - Reminds you to gem / enchant your gear
Rankwatch - If you're using the wrong rank spell because you (or a bug) screwed up your bar? Prepare to get kicked from groups quickly if you have this happen to you.
DeadlyBossMods - you should have this installed, but if you don't, you're doomed.

TURN THIS OFF DURING ANUB-ARAK ALREADY ALL OF YOU. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW PISSED I GET DURING ANUB WHEN I GET 24 PEOPLE SENDING ME <YOU ARE USING THE WRONG RANK OF REJUVENATION!!!> EVERY 1.5 SECONDS WHEN I SPECIFICALLY TOLD YOU TO TURN OFF THAT BULLSHIT BEFORE THE FIGHT.


Ok sorry, I just needed to get that off my chest.

[Niley]

THIS THREAD DELIVERS....OR EM DELIVERED UNTIL IT WAS PURGED.
My caps got stuck :(

i dont know about you guys but, I can understand blue gems in gear, epic ones are expenisve, but one thing is bad enchants/spec.
Enchants are ok unless you do something retarded aka putting firey on your paladins weapon, or spell penetration(for pve) on your cloak.
Talent specs are a very different story, spending 20 minutes on research is not much, and there is usually only one cookie cuter spec fro each class..some have 2 or 3 talents taht can be flexible.
Also for my pve team, that doesn't raid i would pick stamina over 20 spirit, there were times when i killed bosses with 300-400 hp left, i didnt have to heal = also dps increase.

[Stealthy]

http://secure.notanumberinc.com/images/Magnet-ObamaChillOut.jpg

Be cool people, be cool...

Svper put quite a bit of time and effort into his post to try and help the community, aside from the COUNTLESS hours he has put into setting up and maintaining the site. Jumping down his throat for a perceived offense is not the way to go, and hate posts will just get you banned.

If you have a problem with something posted, please report it and let the mods deal with with it - even if it's something posted by a mod (hint: there are serveral mods, and reported posts involving a mod will usually be handled by someone other than the mod in question). You can always PM another mod directly if you want.

Cheers,
S.

PS - I have physically deleted all thread derailing and flame baiting posts. If you have an issue with that PM me...

In the mean time, lets keep it friendly. :)

[Khatovar]

Not going to re-derail, nvm

[Knytestorme]

THIS THREAD DELIVERS....OR EM DELIVERED UNTIL IT WAS PURGED.
My caps got stuck :(

i dont know about you guys but, I can understand blue gems in gear, epic ones are expenisve, but one think is bad enchants/spec.
Enchants are ok unless you do something retarded aka putting firey on your paladins weapon, or spell penetration(for pve) on your cloak.
Talent specs are a very different story, spending 20 minutes on research is not much, and there is usually only one cookie cuter spec fro each class..some have 2 or 3 talents taht can be flexible.
Also for my pve team, that doesnt raid i would pick stamina over 20 spirit, there were times when i killed bosses with 300-400 hp left, i didnt have to heal = also dps increase.

Hey cool, my posting responding to this got deleted too.

[Fursphere]

Svper put quite a bit of time and effort into his post to try and help the community, aside from the COUNTLESS hours he has put into setting up and maintaining the site.

QFT.

This is why I quit being a moderator btw. Everytime I posted MY PERSONAL OPINION it was taken as "MOD abusing powers" - because stupid individuals out there can't seem to get there pea sized brain around the fact that moderators are real people - not robots.

They get to have fun and kid around to, and are not beyond mistakes. But a lot of you idiots can't seem to understand that. Yes, I'm calling people idiots. I have an opinion.

Mods put hundreds of hours into getting a forum into shape - only to have the thankless bystanders pick apart your every mistake and cry foul. Then when a mod makes a decision, its put under a microscope like your on trial for murder or something.

EDIT: Wow, I couldn't even finish typing this post before someone proved my point for me:


Hey cool, my posting responding to this got deleted too.

[Mokoi]

Trade leather for fur? Where/how do you do that?


wait waitt..

Where can i trade my Fur(sphere) for any kind of leather? I'll take light leather!! anyone?

[thedreameater]

http://be.imba.hu

[shaeman]

Great advice. It may seem unfair to be judged on your gear rather than your abilities, but Pugs want success. They don't want to have to teach people the encounters.

They want a quick and easy way of picking a team, whilst it might seem unfair, giving them any reason to kick you is bad.

I also think it shows a certain amount of respect to others if you have your gear gemmed and enchanted. It doesn't scream, "I want to be carried for loot".

Oh - and I love rankwatch. Never seen it before until I got the whispers. One char I had forgot to buy the last ranks of spells (it was after a respec to a tree i'd never been before). On another it started complaining about my Fel armour and seed of corruption.

It was because I was dual spec - it only updates the spells automatically on your current bars not the saved one.

[genocyde]

Stam is not a DPS stat. Period.

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44396 Incanter's Absorption caps your spell power gained based on your health total. Due to this I don't feel terrible wearing my stam thread on my pants in PvE since I'm primarily a PvP'r. During PvE encounters I use wards, shields, and my disc priest spamming Power Word: Shield to keep my absorption pegged. Thanks to my high health in PvP gear I can get up to a total of 1250 spell power on this talent alone. I have seen over 4000 spellpower on my mages and on fights like Loken or Broham that do consistant AoE dmg I can break 10k DPS self buffed, no heroism, no sweat.

I'd like to add a disclaimer for all the people arguing for their characters that stam is better than spirit:
Even with the above information the following must be said. I would never wear that enchant on a raiding toon. I just wanted to show an example of stam used as a DPS stat... It still is NOT my best enchant in that slot for DPS and I doubt many other classes are getting that kind of bonus damage from their stamina. I would lawl at myself in a raid environment.

10/10 Svper, excellent guide for noob raiders.

[Jheusse]

Excellent summary Super, as a player who was more of a raider that became a multiboxer all that information is good stuff.

As a former and current mod/admin/owner of several enthusiast sites I'm used to that reflexive whining of the masses when the poor schmuck with the badge posts as himself versus when he posts as the dude with the badge. You do a good job being transparent about that.

As far as fighting stupid with stupid regrettably yes it's accurate. Our raiding org (Leftovers) has ongoing hate threads for Gearscore as it's so abused by the windowlickers of the WoW world.

I run in a huge raiding alliance with charters, so my need to pug is minimal, but the advice about having your gear gemmed and enchanted is huge. Nothing says "I'm lazy carry me" like ungemmed/unenchanted gear. Doesn't matter if it's not your final set, a baseline level of cost and effort is required to show you're serious rather than wanting someone else to skate you to purples. And everyone who has done any amount of raiding has experienced "I scrimped to get that piece for weeks and got an upgrade 2 days after I finally got it, making it worthless". Cost of doing business.

Gemming and enchanting is part of raid prep, so is reading strategies and being prepared. Whether a student on his laptop in class reading tankspot strats instead of facebook or a working professional doing it over their lunch hour.

For addons the minimum baseline for me would be Omen and Deadly Boss Mods, Omen tells you when your threat gets too high for the tank and DBM tells you when to move out of the fire in big windowlicker proof letters and alert sounds.

You're in the raid? Great!
1- Don't stand in the fire.
2- Kill the skull (aka assist the tank)
3- Profit.

Sure there's a ton of "Do's and Do-not's" you can add beyond that (like don't do recount reports to the raid, it makes you "that guy"), but this is the bare bare basics.


e: And pugchecker.com is one of the better snapshot tools I've seen.

[Bot]

don't do recount reports to the raid, it makes you "that guy"

i wish everyone knew this... recount needs a restriction in raids so that only the leader or assist can post it in the raid chat.

[falsfire3401]

i wish everyone knew this... recount needs a restriction in raids so that only the leader or assist can post it in the raid chat.

Especially don't post full 25-player recount to raid, when they're trying to distribute loot via /random rolls!

[genocyde]

Especially don't post full 25-player recount to raid, when they're trying to distribute loot via /random rolls!

I've watched pug raids pull people or exclude them from loot for that. Everybody was in agreement on it too.

[d0z3rr]

If you're on the bloodlust battlegroup:

Addons:
Gearscore (get it so you know what your score is)
ElitestGroup (tells you if people have shit gear / enchants / gems / pvp gear /etc)
Bimbo - Reminds you to gem / enchant your gear
Rankwatch - If you're using the wrong rank spell because you (or a bug) screwed up your bar? Prepare to get kicked from groups quickly if you have this happen to you.
DeadlyBossMods - you should have this installed, but if you don't, you're doomed.

Thanks, didn't know about Bimbo.

[Diwa]

Shoulder Enchants:

Greater Inscription of the Pinnacle Tank



Just an alternative Tank shoulder enchant if you're not exalted yet
Greater Inscription of the Gladiator

[zipzip]

Just an alternative Tank shoulder enchant if you're not exalted yet
Greater Inscription of the Gladiator

On my druid tank I use this for raiding instead of the hodir enchant. 30 stamina > 20dodge+15 defense. easily.

[F9thRet]

If you're on the bloodlust battlegroup:

Addons:
Gearscore (get it so you know what your score is)
ElitestGroup (tells you if people have shit gear / enchants / gems / pvp gear /etc)
Bimbo - Reminds you to gem / enchant your gear
Rankwatch - If you're using the wrong rank spell because you (or a bug) screwed up your bar? Prepare to get kicked from groups quickly if you have this happen to you.
DeadlyBossMods - you should have this installed, but if you don't, you're doomed.

ok, I did a google search for ElitestGroup. Is this an addon, as I can't find it Fur.

Stephen

[Ughmahedhurtz]

ok, I did a google search for ElitestGroup. Is this an addon, as I can't find it Fur.

Stephen

Spelling FTW! :P

http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15573-ElitistGroup.html

[F9thRet]

LOL, thanks again Ugh! that's what happens when I copy and paste. :D

Pokes Fur. ;)

Stephen

[Fursphere]

Ya, I always screw that one up.

[Niley]

Just an alternative Tank shoulder enchant if you're not exalted yet
Greater Inscription of the Gladiator
this isn't alternative, this is best tank shoulder chant