Playing the AH game

[blbjtb]

Can someone give some tips n tricks to doing this? I have been scanning the AH every day twice a day. Im not sure that im actually making any gold. Anyone care to post some tips on what they look for and what others should be looking for? Thanks in advance =)

[Littleburst]

Everything that involves a player action has a profit on it. So if you buy mats for item X, find a crafter, pay him 10g to craft 10 of item X and sell item X on the AH, you should make a profit. Preferably let crafters craft more then 1, because the more you let them craft, the smaller the tip gets for each item. (finding a crafter to craft something for 1g is gonna be hard)

Before you buy mats, it's good to have a solid auctioneer database so you know what average prices are. And i got several Wowhead tabs running to search what mats are required for an item, what compareable items are there? etc. Everything that could involve the demand.

If you want to do it seriously, i find it handy to make an Exel file and list all items you can craft for a profit + average mats prices. So you don't have to search for the data anymore.

like:

Deathchill coak 218g (the costs)
Bolt of Imbued Frostweave (5), Eternal Fire (6), Eternal Shadow (4), Siren's Tear, Frozen Orb

Then it's just a game of buying cheap mats, finding a crafter, getting it crafted and sell it.

[HPAVC]

Depends on how much time you want to spend, what resources you have, friends / connections you have, etc. I would checkout some of these blogs:

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com
http://woweconomist.com
http://www.wowstability.com
http://justmytwocopper.blogspot.com

[blbjtb]

Hey awesome thanks for the sights gives me something todo @ work today... Ya know besides work because its Friday... Im pro at alt tab lol

[HTeam]

Get auctioneer, learn to use it.

The first area you should look at is the fluctuation of prices throughout the week. Some items are more expensive during the week and some more expensive during the weekend.

When to buy:
1. Raw materials (ore, enchant mats) typically sell cheaper during the weekend. My theory is that every casual player gets on and dumps these for quick cash for the weekend. Very popular raw mats may not follow this pattern (titanium ore is in constant demand).
2. Finished items (cut gems, enchanted scrolls) - Sell these on the weekend. People have more time to play on the weekend. They want to get their item and get into some lengthier play.

When to sell:
1. Raw mats - exercise patience on these. Wait for a lull in price and fill it then. Patience will make a huge difference.
2. Finished items - I sell these almost exclusively during the weekend, unless there is a void during the week, when I'll put up a small amount for sale, sometimes at a very high price.
3. Always wait for everyone to get home from work first. If you put something like cut gems up at 3pm, you have about 2 hours before a large rush of people get home and undercut you. Wait until 8-9pm, when most people have already gotten home, posted auctions and settled into play. I get undercut a lot less by waiting until the middle of prime time. There are still lots of buyers up until all hours.

[Fat Tire]

It has been my experience, the best way to make gold with very little effort is exploiting the differences in the server economy between alliance and horde.

[-silencer-]

I make quite a bit of gold on the AH by monitoring a few things, but it helps that I have every profession capable of using high-end cooldowns. Auctioneer is invaluable. So is an alt with their own bank space & lots of profession-specific bags. Only list items when you can undercut the competition and stay undercut for a long period of time. (late Friday/Saturday nights are best, but late Sunday/Thursday nights have also been very good too.

- epic patterns:
Those Ulduar, ToC, and ICC patterns can sell for a ton, and there's usually a very limited supply. When auctioneer shows one for sale for under 75% average price, buy it and re-list it when 80% of the average price would be the cheapest one available.

- raw materials:
Always buy up all available eternals and uncut blue northrend gems when they're under 75% average price. You'll use most of them to craft stuff anyway.

- enchanting mats & DE:
Monitor enchanting mats prices, especially greater cosmic essence. Go through level 70-80 greens available and buy them if a chance to DE a GCE is high and auctioneer shows the DE value is significantly higher than the auction price. DE and resell mats.

Very valuable items that I always try to purchase when they are available at under 80% average price:
- ilvl 85 Epic LW/BS/Tai recipes
- Titanium Ore/Bar/Powder & Titansteel Bar
- Uncut meta gems
- Damaged Necklace (jewelcrafters pay a fortune to get a daily token faster.. around 200g sale price.)
- Book of Glyph mastery (on my server, I always buy these at 10g and resell for 20g.. and they're much more common than the Damaged Necklace).
- Frost Lotus
- Eternals
- Uncut epic gems.
- Dragon's Eye
- Crusader Orb / Runed Orb / Frozen Orb
- Arctic Fur
- Iceweb Spider Silk

BAGS!
- There are times when frostweave cloth is cheap enough to purchase and sell 20-slot bags at a big profit. Don't forget to include the cost of infinite dust (which you should get as a side product of DE'ing ilvl70-80 green weapons) and eternium thread. Frost bags are ALWAYS in demand, and glacial bags can bring in a lot of cash if you can cheaply make the mats with a few tailor alts.

Depending on server.. can be very valuable due to profession grinding (buy really low %-wise, sell very high when none available):
- Mid-level ores: Mithril Ore/Bar, Thorium Ore/Bar, Truesilver Ore/Bar, etc.
- Mid-level gems: Aquamarine, Citrine, Star Ruby, Azerothian Diamond, Huge Emerald, etc.
- Mid-level herbs: Sungrass/Goldthorn/Golden Sansam/etc

This was off the top of my head, but the main thing to look for is what takes time to find (stuff that require a cooldown to make, or instance runs to collect) and what is frequently used in recipes or gear.

[blindbudsmoker]

been in the ah for a few years now and figure some where between 1.2 and 1.6 mill has been made. i get asked alot and the couple of things i tell every one seem to be tried and true. \

first, slow and steady. thiers lots of money in the ah but u cant make it over night. keep on with the 2 scans a day, if your ah file is wrong then every thing u buy will be wrong. this to me has been the most important thing u can do. if i transfer or start a new toon i will not buy any thing for atleast a month unless its just listed wrong.

second, keep it small. when i go through every thing i sell every day i am lucky if i have a auction over 1k (kinda). but either way i will have 1k in 10-50g auctions, no matter what. not many people have 10k to spend on one piece of pixle but everyone has 50g to spend on some thing. stay away from high profile items unless u know it will sell.

my 2 cents

[Jubber]

Little items that are used often will always make you more than big ticket items in the long run. A lot of playing the AH is having patience. Like someone else said Bags always make money. If you have Tailor it is gold. I sell 15-20 Netherweave bags and 8-12 frostweave bags a day. I buy cloth in bulk thru trade and make bags to sell. On my server this usually nets me 270-400g per day.

I also sell pets cross faction. I have horde toons selling Ally tourney pets. they money i make from selling them goes to buying horde pets and selling them to allies. Prior to 3.3 I would sell 2-3 pets every 1.5 days. netting me 1200-1600g from pets.

Since 3.3 I have stopped doing my dailies as I have now hit crusader and with the money I have made I don't feel the need to daily anymore. On occasion I will do them for the seals. However that has slowed down quite a bit.

Since 3.3 I have turned to buying and selling primordial saronite. I can usually make a 200-300g profit per saronite this way. However this is not really thru the AH so its a little off topic. I buy/sell these thru trade chat.

[Ualaa]

Short Term.

Purchase stacks of things.... Infinite Dust, Raid Flasks, Gems etc on weekends, for low per each price.
Relist on weekdays, as singles or smaller stacks, for a lot more per each.

Sunday is the cheapest day to buy things.
Fri/Sat is the most expensive days to list things.

I buy 25-35 stacks of dust on Sun, and sell them all by the next Sat. I pay 20g per stack and sell 2g each (100% mark up).



The next arena season is coming soon.
Stockpile gems and enchants, mats for enchants, etc.
Sell these with a substantial mark up, when the season goes live, and people have the new gear.
The same holds true for new raid content.



Long Term.

Have one of every production profession, on an active team PvE progression team.
The team which you run heroics with, possibly raid with some members of the team (or all of them), the team which grinds reputations up.
IE, the team which will have the maximum number of recipes.

You'd want 1x each crafting (not gathering) profession at maximum level, with as many recipes as possible.

Then look at average selling prices for top end gear.
And the average price for the mats to craft these.

Purchase mats when they're cheap.
Also advertise: /Trade Buying every stack of "x" you have for "y" gold per stack. Send CoD to "z" toon.
Pick a price which is advantageous to you, and is still decent for the gatherer.
They'll sell directly to you, not losing the AH cut or paying 0 to 5+ days of listing fees.

Do this with several toons, covering every production skill with combines that sell well.
Ideally, you'll be crafting 20+ high end items, between your team.
Buying mats cheap, is less profit (per piece) then farming mats yourself.
It is also much more profitable (per hour) by a very massive margin.

Don't flood the market with your stuff; 1 or 2 at a time, is ideal.
If others are listing the stuff, try to agree on a price with them, rather then getting into a price war where neither of you make jack.

[HTeam]

Another thing to mention is that enchanting mats have no deposit cost, so they can be fairly forgiving to start with. Watch them over the course of a week or so, figure out what the lower prices are and start buying there. Then start selling a little higher later. The weekend is usually best, people pick up gear in longer runs and want to get it enchanted.

I've done well buying and selling gems. I stay almost exclusively with red gems as they turn over quickly with people wanting dps type stuff (str, sp, agility, etc...)

[Ualaa]

I'm actually making fairly decent coin with vendor unlimited quantity pets.

Basically have lower toons I'm not leveling, at the vendors.
Purchase more as they sell, usually at 40s each.
Run to a mail box, and send to my transfer team.

Log on the transfer team.
Which is a toon at the Everlook, Gadgetzan, Booty Bay (by bank) and Booty Bay (bottom of house) neutral auction houses.
When it's clear at all the neutral houses, I list a bunch of pets for 1 copper each.
And buy them with the other faction.

Then deposit them into the guild bank.
And use the auction toon, to list them.
Most things are selling for 10g to 15g, which isn't bad for 40s purchase prices.

I sell 3-5 pets a day, which isn't necessarily a ton.
But its still 350g a week, for 5 mins of logged in time to do transfers.
Plus the normal time I spend doing AH stuff anyway.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I just been playing AH while I upgrading all my computers to 8Meg and Win7.

Make at least one of all profesions (got my Alk guy to 450 yesterday big step).

I started with zero gold and made my base monies with bags, mostly netherweave as frostweave is just undercut to the bone, because you can use it to get to 450 in tailorning people make a ton and dump. I tired to corner the market on netherweave but just to much was coming in to buy it all. Still you just cant lose buying up netherweave at 5-6G a stack and selling the bags at 9-10G. I was getting 17G a bag when competitors was lagging and not posting all the time.

Always put out common items for 12H, your competitiors are lazy and putting out for 48H. You put out 10 bags at 15G for 12h, he puts out all his bags at 14G then you hit with another 10 at 13G and when your initial 10 come back to you you can undercut him with those also!

There is no "rule". You scan and scan and scan, anything selling at 20percent or lower buy it up lol .... Im buying any blues or better under 20 percent and have like 30 items now (level 80). The more you log in and check everything the more you can find stuff people sell who dont know the value. Auctioneer for the win.

Items that were rare a week ago could be common as dirt this week, everything changes. Just buy low.

I have over 400 items listed right now; you NEVER know when something will sell or not.

Components for some reason always seem to sell better then the finished product. I really don't understand it. Like they said heavy borean leather will sell for more then the items you can make from it. So just make the heavy leathers and transmute the raw stones and sell them, don't make anything into a finished product.

There are to many people in WoW who look up the components of what they want and buy them so someone else can craft them and have no idea that heavy boean leather is made from boerean leather and the same tailor who they get to craft the item they want can make the componts from lessor componets so they buy the heavy borean leather and not the regular leather ... same with stones etc.

Like I bought some purple sword for 10G and sold it 3 weeks later after listing everyday for 150G.

Iv corned the market on Golden Dranitite getting an unbelivable 29G each lol ....

Prospect ores, espically adamitite as you can make mercural adamite with it which I get an incredible 59G for ...

No one item is winner all the time you have to just do everything.

And if you box guild bank is instant transfer. Iv been stockpiling herbs and have a 100 slot tab in bank filled for when I do more alk characters; just buy low for a few weeks and then you can run your guy to 420 or so easy in a day then spend another 1000G or so to get 450.

[Gadzooks]

People buy mats to powerlevel professions, they're the new reroll. (Actually, it's always been like that). From what I see on my server, nobody wants to spend one second more in Outland than they have to, and will buy mats from those levels for good prices.

Older enchants can still sell, too - Mongoose sells for 400g on my server, all you have to do is grind the mats, or buy them cheap when they show up.

Perfect gems are a good market too - because gear is so easy now from badges, I see people commenting a lot in Trade to just buy perfect gems for blues and AH/Crafted epics, don't waste money on epic gems until you get badge gear.

Cooking is a good steady source of income.

People are lazy. Write that on a sticky, and put it over your monitor, it's your motto for playing the AH. So many players have piles of gold, that they're willing to spend on things like professions, pets, and gear for alts. The Heirloom gear has had an effect, but the older stuff does sell - especially tailoring.

And yes, it should be said again - bags, bags, and more bags. They sell.

[Daeri]

One thing to be carefull with when you're playing with the AH : if an item is listed at a given price, that doesn't necessarily mean that it will be sold at this price. Addons like Auctionneer record all prices whether the items will be sold or not.

My best advice would be to find a niche (there are tons of them, with very few vendors but enough buyers for them). The more competition the more risky market. Some people just buy reagents when price is low enough, and craft blue quality low levels items that sells well because they're almost the only one to sell them. Niches are different on every server.

[Ualaa]

Arbitrage is incredibly boring, but fairly safe.

Make an excel spreadsheet, the chances of getting each enchanting mat, when you DE an item.
Basically weapons DE one way, and everything else another.
And it is generally an item level range, where anything in that range has the same chances.

So an iLV 146 or higher green might be:
01-70% chance of 3-7 (average 5) Infinite Dust.
71-95% chance of 1-2 (average 1.5) Greater Cosmic Essences.
96-00% chance of 1 Dream shard.

Then you use the formula 0.95 (The amount you get after the AH cut) x 0.70 (70% chance) x Current Avg. Price of 1x Inifinite Dust + 0.25 (25% chance) x 1.50 (1.5 average number) x1 Greater Cosmic Essence + 0.05 (5% chance) x1 Dream Shard Average Price.

Then search for green items of level 68 to 80th.
And buy every single item which has a buyout lower then your number.
Maybe give yourself at least 50s or 1g margin, for profit to be worthwhile purchasing.

I found the greatest profit in Northrend gear, but a decent profit in armors that can DE into Lesser/Greater Nether Essences.
Pretty much, every other item level range, was not worth the scan time.

This is incredibly boring.
Cannot understate that.
Looking at game statistics (Y for achievements, then statistics tab), my AH mule has over 20,000 items DE'd.
You'll want Postal, to empty out the Mailbox.
And I believe it was Panda something for DE's.... DE's everything green (or whatever you set), just left click anywhere inside the window that lists all the items in inventory.

I had four "farmers", who would sell be greens at a fixed rate, rather then listing them on the AH.
But while the gold is good, 3.5 hours of DE's per day, every day, while watching a movie...
Well that's not so fun.

[EsaJunttila]

I have one advice in addition what's been said (Well Ualaa said to buy gems and enchant mats before new season gear so this is close to it).

Read coming patch info. Two years ago I happened to notice a month in advance that Void shards will be possible to enchant to two Large prismatic shards. Voids costed some 10g, Large prismatics some 30g. So I bought during three weeks nearly two hundred Voids and later sold them with nice 300-400% profit after patch. At that time 10 000g was a HUGE amount.

[Nemis79]

Also, exploit people who list stuff in stacks of 20 way cheaper than the price for a single item. Ie buy a stack of eternal fire for 20g, total 400g, and then split them up and put them back on the AH for 30g each (or whatever single eternal fires sell for on your server), 50% profit right there.

[Seldum]

You can also try an speculate in buying fx. cloth, then tailor stuff, DE it and sell the Mats on AH.

You can find items which gives a fair margin.

For me, all crafted items ends up being DE in the end.

Tailor - Cloth to Item - Item gets DE
Leather - Leather to item - Item gets DE

When I level the above professions I always make stuff I can DE. Always!
And my Enchanting is the last ability I level - Always.

I usually lvl my professions all at once. It's usually when my guild bank gets to crowded.

[heyaz]

Also, exploit people who list stuff in stacks of 20 way cheaper than the price for a single item

That actually happens? If anything all I ever see is people thinking bulk pricing means more per unit. For pretty much every trade item, there is always someone selling a stack of 20 for 150% cost per unit, as if its some kind of convenience fee. This has been pretty much constant on every server I've played on since pre-bc. I don't know why people do it.

[Seldum]

They do it because sometimes they can actually sell it at this price. Sometimes markets dries up and someone might need this item now and don't care for the price.

I did it with light leather at some point. I listed some stacks at 130% of the normal rate with my other stacks at 100%. I got some of the 130% sold due to the low supply one evening.

Also it messes up the numbers in Auctioneer.

[Jheusse]

They do it because they're trying to skew the price that addons like Auctioneer calculate because it's based on averages. Many people blindly buy or sell at Auctioneer recommended prices, so they put in a number of auctions for commodities at drastically inflated prices to skew the average higher, hoping to sell their non-insane listings at a higher price as a result.

You'll also see people putting up stacks of hunter ammo for the standard price but only 1/10 of a max stack, taking advantage of people that buy without paying too much attention.

Lots of shady behavior on the AH overall.

[blbjtb]

Thanks guys using these tips I was able to make 1k gold (still starting out) over the past weekend im going to now use that 1k gold and see what I can turn that into... The AH really is like a mini game hehe

[Nemis79]

If you want free money you can also camp a toon at Halaa in Garadar. Every 30 mins the weapon vendor restocks 3 each of The Sharp Cookie and Arkadian Claymore Total purchase price 3 x 11g = 33g.

Total profit per 30 mins is: 3 x (0,75 x 1,5 x Greater Planar Essence price + 0,22 x 3,5 x Arcane Dust price + 0,03 x 1 x Large Prismatic Shard price) - 33.

With prices GPE = 25g, AD = 5g and LPS = 10g, total profit is 161g.

[Littleburst]

If you allready know your way around the AH and you want to speed things up A LOT., then the Quick Auction addon is incredible. It can automate your entire posting and auction canceling once you set things up right. So if you allready try to make money with certain markets i'd definitely suggest you try it out. (aslong as you're not on grim batol! :D )

http://www.wowstability.com/crafting-selling-glyphs-fast-quick-auctions/
DL: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12196-QuickAuctions2.html

[Perrigrin]

Is quick auction better than auctioneer?

[Littleburst]

Is quick auction better than auctioneer?

Everywhere i read people use both, i'm far from an auctioneer pro, so i'm not exactly sure what QA offers what auctioneer doesn't. I do know that once i set up prices for items i can just click "post" and QA does:
1. posts an item on a fallback price if there are no other items of the items i want to post.
2. if there is an item allready on the AH it undercuts that item with a set amount of gold/silver/copper.
3. It doesn't post an item if there is an item allready on the AH, which is posted under a set threshold price.
4. you can set how many auctions from an item you want max on the AH, the size of stacks, duration.

And it does all that with 1 click on a button, once you set those options for the items you want to post.

So aslong as you make specifc profiles for groups you can post glyphs combined with craftables epics on a single click. Where both use about the opposite settings. (cheap & bulk vs expensive & rare)

[Littleburst]

i'm starting off in the glyph market, let's see how it goes. It does look promising though. :)
Especially with Quick actioneer i can automate a lot so i takes only a couple of minutes to cancel & repost.

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[Ualaa]

I believe it is Appraiser in auctioneer, for automating the auction listing.
I don't think there is anything for automating the cancellation of auctions.

You can set, so you won't have more then "x" of a given item listed at once.
You can set the bid price to be a percentage of the buyout.
And then set the buyout to be a fixed amount, or based on currently listed prices.
Set how far (percentage) below you should undercut a competitor.
And the most you'll undercut below market price.

Not sure if one has a better interface, or is easier to use.
It sounds like they both offer very similar features.
I found a gold making guide, which was actually videos, which was basically play the auction house.
And it had a couple of hours on tweaks and settings for auctioneer to make the most gold.

These days, I tend to just do dailies, until I'm bored with them.
I have three teams that can run them in a given day.
My route is 1150g in about an hour, so that's decent coin.
But dailies are pretty boring too, x1 or x3.

[Littleburst]

I believe it is Appraiser in auctioneer, for automating the auction listing.
I don't think there is anything for automating the cancellation of auctions.

I wouldn't be suprised if Appraiser can do the same, i went with QA since that seems the most user friendly for massposting glyphs.

With Quick auctions you can press a big red "cancel" button at which it will scan the AH for your glyphs who got undercut. Once it scanned them all you get a pop up with a "start" button and QA cancels all auctions that got undercut without any second action from you required.



You can set, so you won't have more then "x" of a given item listed at once.
You can set the bid price to be a percentage of the buyout.
And then set the buyout to be a fixed amount, or based on currently listed prices.
Set how far (percentage) below you should undercut a competitor.
And the most you'll undercut below market price.

Not sure if one has a better interface, or is easier to use.
It sounds like they both offer very similar features.
I found a gold making guide, which was actually videos, which was basically play the auction house.
And it had a couple of hours on tweaks and settings for auctioneer to make the most gold.

These days, I tend to just do dailies, until I'm bored with them.
I have three teams that can run them in a given day.
My route is 1150g in about an hour, so that's decent coin.
But dailies are pretty boring too, x1 or x3.

i hate dailies :D

[heyaz]

i'm starting off in the glyph market, let's see how it goes. It does look promising though. :)
Especially with Quick actioneer i can automate a lot so i takes only a couple of minutes to cancel & repost.
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I recently started it too. There is a bit of competition. I've found I need a pretty big stock to make it work, but it's easy to build over time. It starts to pay off when glyphs you bought for 50s - 5g last week are now 30-50g, or there is no competition at all and you can sell them for 50-75g a piece in a few hours. I don't know why scribes put them up for 1-5g, less than the cost of mats probably.

One thing I learned from the guys that have been doing it on my server awhile is to list them for 12-24 hours max (not 48). You will most likely be undercut 2-3 times on most of your glyph auctions and you'll want them back in your mailbox as soon as possible. If they don't sell in a few hours they probably won't at all.

[Littleburst]

I recently started it too. There is a bit of competition. I've found I need a pretty big stock to make it work, but it's easy to build over time. It starts to pay off when glyphs you bought for 50s - 5g last week are now 30-50g, or there is no competition at all and you can sell them for 50-75g a piece in a few hours. I don't know why scribes put them up for 1-5g, less than the cost of mats probably.

One thing I learned from the guys that have been doing it on my server awhile is to list them for 12-24 hours max (not 48). You will most likely be undercut 2-3 times on most of your glyph auctions and you'll want them back in your mailbox as soon as possible. If they don't sell in a few hours they probably won't at all.

Ii've got my fallback price at 16g atm, i want to get rid of some competition first before i'll let the price rise again. But there are about 10 people posting glyphs a couple of times a day atm, i try to cancel & repost every few hours, see if i can get rid of some. I bought a batch of glyphs for 30s yesterday :> Be carefull that you do not buy glyphs that are listed here(http://www.wow-professions.com/wowguides/wow-inscription-guide.html) for leveling, since there will always be more supply of them the needed.

I've got everything worked out atm, expect for how i supply my glyph mule with new glyphs. I'm gonna try and have the mule have a stack of atleast 3 glyphs in his bags, so once there's a stack less then 3 i know i have to craft it. Because i was checking beancounter to see what sold, then craft those glyphs on my main, but this just takes to long, should be able to do that more effective.

How do you refill the glyphs on your mule? or do you use your scriber to auction them?

[Sam DeathWalker]

I have 2 450 Alk (and like 5 at 300) and 2 440 Tailor.

Tailors make about 125G X 4 every 4 days off the cool down cloths.

Alk make about 150 gold once a day off the transmute (Kings amber or Majistic Zercon go for the most).

Alk is simpler as you dont have to go to dragonblight (I dont have cold weather flying and I die at the maw place and run back to do the combine heh), and alk is a bit easyer to level if you have goldthorn and briarthorn stocked up. Go to AH now and buy up all goldthorn and briarthorn you can see.

Just box up 10 alkemy guys and its 1500 G a day for like 5-10 mintues.

I didnt get the hang of QA at all. I like to post in singles and it dosnt do that. But that "summery" that tells you like all the herbs or elementals etc. is available by level is really nice and worth to get QA just for that.

Ya for sure glyphs is all over the place, one day selling for 4G and next for 44G same item.

Im leveling up JC and Mining (just on smelting but you do have spots where you have to go out and mine) and BlackSmithing and those are expensive to say the least. JC is costing like 10G per combine at around 200.



Good tip from Ualaa that you use appraiser in auctioneer to sell with (I was using "post"), can set stack default to one.

[Littleburst]

I didnt get the hang of QA at all. I like to post in singles and it dosnt do that.

It does.

[heyaz]

Ii've got my fallback price at 16g atm, i want to get rid of some competition first before i'll let the price rise again. But there are about 10 people posting glyphs a couple of times a day atm, i try to cancel & repost every few hours, see if i can get rid of some. I bought a batch of glyphs for 30s yesterday :> Be carefull that you do not buy glyphs that are listed here(http://www.wow-professions.com/wowguides/wow-inscription-guide.html) for leveling, since there will always be more supply of them the needed.

I've got everything worked out atm, expect for how i supply my glyph mule with new glyphs. I'm gonna try and have the mule have a stack of atleast 3 glyphs in his bags, so once there's a stack less then 3 i know i have to craft it. Because i was checking beancounter to see what sold, then craft those glyphs on my main, but this just takes to long, should be able to do that more effective.

How do you refill the glyphs on your mule? or do you use your scriber to auction them?

I am buying them using auctioneer resale when they drop below 40% market value or so. I log on a few times a day to build my stock. Seems like more work to have to worry about crafting them.

Right now I am focusing 90% on resale, and about 10% on disenchant on my one toon that's an enchanter. Glyphs and scrolls have been the most steady income, there are underpriced ones every time I scan. A few times a week I see bulk enchant mats being dumped at less than half price - I snatch those up and sell them over the week. About once a week I see a massively underpriced epic (I got those ilvl 200 tank shoulders for 45g and resold them for 1000g within a few hours, lol).

[Feardis]

I was recently talking to a guild mate who is rich from selling about 80k worth of titanium when that new patch came out
on my server (barthilas) there is about 3-4 people who sell 80-100k of stuff on the ah daily. They pretty much control what anything is sold for. Mostly boe patterns and gear are the biggest movers these days. But he says they also sell bulk stock but on multiple toons so as not to cause undercutting by others after seeing 1toon selling 200 stacks of titanium ore.
What I got from his wisdom is you need to be watching the AH all the time to pick up the bargains as there is always people trying to find the same bargains as you. Scanning twice a day is nowhere near enough. I farm heroics on my tank like a trojan when I can ( video card died 2 days ago so I'm reduced to browsing forums on my iPhone) after the gold reward and selling enchanting mats I don't bother playing the ah.

[heyaz]

Mostly boe patterns and gear are the biggest movers these days.

Are those patterns actually selling? Every time I scan for resale I see the ilvl 245 patterns at lower and lower prices and Auctioneer's historical data is telling me I'd make like 500g profit on each one, which I don't believe.

[Feardis]

I dunno. I don't play the ah as I said. Sorry when I said recently it was pre icc. His advise to me was unless you start with 15k it's a waste of time (I know... But that's what he said, and I believe him as he moves ALOT of stock)

[Raskaz]

If you don't check the ah multiple times a day I find it very hard to make a good profit since you get so often undercut.

Today I was trying to sell a buckloads of glyphs which I had still lying around on my inscription toon. It only took an hour to get 80% of them undercutted.

I bought a few of those epic recipes and make a decent profit of those by crafting the items and the berserk enchant sells quite good as well.

The competition these days is really fierce so playing the ah (even it can be fun) went from a part-time job to a full-time job ;)

[Ualaa]

You have the potential for a larger profit on the auction house.
And long term, that is probably the best place for the largest profits.

Transmutes can be very decent too, depending on how many are on the market.
And the demand for the items.

I find the dailies to be the easiest.
In that it is a fixed amount, no matter what the market is like.
It is one of the more boring aspects of wow.
And running dailies on three sets of five toons gets old very fast.
But it is consistent, cannot be undercut etc.

[Littleburst]

I dunno. I don't play the ah as I said. Sorry when I said recently it was pre icc. His advise to me was unless you start with 15k it's a waste of time (I know... But that's what he said, and I believe him as he moves ALOT of stock)

The main business to make gold with requires gold a bags and a banktoon. To really make 10k+ you indeed need to buy things cheap and sell them for more. Mostly trade goods, since they're on the biggest demand. the demand for crafted items is to low to make such huge numbers of gold. There are plenty of video's and guides on that. But in my opinion it's not something you just learn from a book, you really need to get the hang of it. Which i don't. I find it to risky still.

[Ualaa]

You can always buy raid flasks and stacks of infinite dust/raid gems etc.
On weekends, particularly Sunday evenings.

And then list them in smaller quantities throughout the week.

When I feel like playing the AH.
I buy 20-25 stacks of infinite dust, at close to or under 1g per dust.
And then list them 20 at a time, for close to the lowest priced dust (average 1g50s to 2g each) in stacks of 1.
Putting 20-40 up at a time, and relisting every few hours.
By the next Sunday, almost always I'm out of dust.
That is 15-20g profit per stack, 300-500g profit in a week for basically doing nothing.

Go to appraiser tab, and refresh the view on my dust.
Price towards the cheaper end of the 1's listings (I don't care if someone is selling stacks of 20's for less per dust).
Appraiser won't list more then "x" (usually set to 20) of the item at once.
Occasionally, if undercut, cancel auctions.
But mostly.. just update dust, and press Alt + Shift + Control and click the List button.

[heyaz]

I dunno. I don't play the ah as I said. Sorry when I said recently it was pre icc. His advise to me was unless you start with 15k it's a waste of time (I know... But that's what he said, and I believe him as he moves ALOT of stock)

Yeah that's nonsense. Compared to farming the gold per hour on this is significantly higher, even if you start with a low amount. I started with 500g and in a few hours played have 2500g and about 2000g worth of stuff I will flip within the week. You can't even make that doing 5x dallies, and certainly not on a single toon.

Of course, the more you have to invest, the further it will go. I have about 20k in the guild bank, but I am holding off until I know my market better.

[heyaz]

And running dailies on three sets of five toons gets old very fast.
But it is consistent, cannot be undercut etc.

Man! It gets old on one set of toons. I can't barely manage 3 or 4 dallies now, a few times a week.

You can get AH income to be consistent as well, if you are consistent with scanning the AH, buying and relisting items. But yeah there is nothing like on-demand income from dallies. I'm just out of time and patience now.

[alcattle]

Question on cancelling auctions, Why do it? You've paid the fee and it costs money to cancel right? So What if you get undercut. You might still sell yours. Only trick I found was to change your stack size and make sure your per item price is close to others. I would pay a little more if I need 4 of an item and the auction was for 4 then paying 4 auctions, just me maybe.

[Perrigrin]

On a side note about auctioneer (the addon) - What file do I need to copy between installs/accounts to get the data it mined with me?

[heyaz]

Question on cancelling auctions, Why do it? You've paid the fee and it costs money to cancel right? So What if you get undercut. You might still sell yours. Only trick I found was to change your stack size and make sure your per item price is close to others. I would pay a little more if I need 4 of an item and the auction was for 4 then paying 4 auctions, just me maybe.

well for glyphs and scrolls it's only a few copper. On items for which you are likely to be undercut, use a 12-24 hour listing.

[Littleburst]

On a side note about auctioneer (the addon) - What file do I need to copy between installs/accounts to get the data it mined with me?

I wanted this aswell, and have alleqady coped all saved variables, but i can't figure it out. So good luck. I just restarted with scanning.


well for glyphs and scrolls it's only a few copper. On items for which you are likely to be undercut, use a 12-24 hour listing.

/agree

[Los]

If i remember correctly, the reason you dont want to use QA is that it relentlessy undercuts. So unless you really understand how it works you can hurt yourself.

Lets say there is 5 glyphs worth around 6g each, and 1 glyph worth 2g. We all know that the 2g one will sell first and that you rather not post it for <2g but for something like 5g (and some silver). I believe that auctionator does that more nicely then QA.

Watch out with the post tab in auctioneer, if you add a stack it will always make the price around which the lower items are for that particular item, always also hit refresh and double check your price visually.

Oh yeah I make loads of gold on the ah by selling tank gear (cobalt and tempored sets). Usually sell 1 set each day. Also shields sell for quite some gold.

And for every tip you get here, watch your milage, it may vary enormously per server. Some servers for instance have glyphs running over 40g, on my server they hardly hit 20. If you are just starting out, dont try to corner a market, just do the little things, find the markets which are poorly covered and get into those.

[Boylston]

I made a nice little profit over the weekend on Netherweave Bags, which only has 1-2 people on my server really satisfying the markey. I used to be the big supplier here, but I have ignored the AH for a few months. Costs are between 2.5-7g, bags sell for 10-12g normally. It's not sexy, but it's consistent.

I sold 80-90 bags over the course of the weekend and got hate mails from both the other sellers because I undercut them severely and then bought up all of the Netherweave Cloth that was available that would allow them to continue to make a profit.

Looking forward to when they leave the market and I can have it all to myself. I'm perfectly happy to ruin it for them for 2-3 weeks in order for them to move on and try something else.

Even brutally undercutting them (I listed 50 bags at 8g ea., 2-3 gold less than any of their auctions), I still made a few hundred gold while chasing them out.

I make 100-300 a day selling flasks to raiders on my alchemist, too. Again, nothing sexy, but just fulfilling market need.

[Perrigrin]

On a side note about auctioneer (the addon) - What file do I need to copy between installs/accounts to get the data it mined with me?

Answering my own question after some research:


statistic data is stored in auc-stat-*.lua files in the WTF directory. addon settings are in auc-advanced.lua. beancounter data is in beancounter.lua.

[Feardis]

Yeah that's nonsense. Compared to farming the gold per hour on this is significantly higher, even if you start with a low amount. I started with 500g and in a few hours played have 2500g and about 2000g worth of stuff I will flip within the week. You can't even make that doing 5x dallies, and certainly not on a single toon.

Of course, the more you have to invest, the further it will go. I have about 20k in the guild bank, but I am holding off until I know my market better.

It's not nonsense... Your last paragraph proved the point... The more money you have to invest the further it will go.
You have to understand that there are people that control over 50% of the market at any given time. It may not look like it but it's happening. If I had 15-20k gold I'd buy 2 hilts for under 10 then sell them to the highest bidder. They range from 8-15k on my server. Highest paid was 30k. Although the demand is starting to wane.
Don't buy primordial atm tho as blizz has stated that any that have been aquired by hackers (guild banks are being hacked left right and centre on barth) and sold will be confiscated with nO money returned to the buyer...:(

[Fuzzyboy]

Don't buy primordial atm tho as blizz has stated that any that have been aquired by hackers (guild banks are being hacked left right and centre on barth) and sold will be confiscated with nO money returned to the buyer...:(

Where have they stated that? Do you have a link to a blue post? Seems to be an awfully retarded stance, since people have absolutely no way of knowing if an item being sold on AH has been stolen or not.

[Fuzzyboy]

I guess that the less valueable 1 gold becomes (with current inflation), the more valuable AH playing becomes and the less attractive dailies become. However, tradeskill cooldowns are still very profitable. I have 7 toons with alchemy - which is a steady income of at least 1200-1400g per day for 5 mins of work and that without counting mastery procs.

Playing the AH can be a fun activity by itself though, even if it does require 2-3 daily scans :-)

[Prega]

for collecting gold, i ve tryed with success "deep" professions strategy.
bought recipes/patterns/plans for lvl 226/245 epics.
have 15 miners, 11 tailors (planned 4 more when have time to level to lvl 70+ my 4warlocks lvl 61), 3 Jc, 10 alchemists (planned 2+, more are a real issue to manage, it s hard here find 40/50 eternal fire in ah when it s tailors CD day (required 22 atm)+15 for bars+4/5 for red gems), skilled Bs, skilled Lw.
i sell mainly Gems and Epics (lvl 245 bracers are best choice, selling about 2/3 for day). collected as net earnings 250k in about one month.
sometimes do daily with just one grp.
in this way i can play instances, convert emblems->crusader orbs if i want, and buy in ah all mats i need: ores/bars, eternals, etc. fast and easy. if somenthing goes unsold for 2 days in row, i use it:)
you can do 14/15k for good day or 6/7k for bad day, on my server.

working for 1 million achievement:p

[Fuzzyboy]

10 alchemists (planned 2+, more are a real issue to manage, it s hard here find 40/50 eternal fire in ah when it s tailors CD day

I'm not sure what it's like on your server, but on mine, making cardinal rubies is not good business - after you cut them, they sell for the same as cut king's amber / majestic zircon, but the mats to do the transmute are much cheaper for the latter. And you won't have the tailor CD problem, since eternal air / life is usually in plenty supply.

[heyaz]

It's not nonsense... Your last paragraph proved the point... The more money you have to invest the further it will go.:(

No, read what I quoted:


His advise to me was unless you start with 15k it's a waste of timeThe part about it being a waste of time unless you start with some amount is nonsense.

[Prega]

I'm not sure what it's like on your server, but on mine, making cardinal rubies is not good business - after you cut them, they sell for the same as cut king's amber / majestic zircon, but the mats to do the transmute are much cheaper for the latter. And you won't have the tailor CD problem, since eternal air / life is usually in plenty supply.if i craft here 10 ruby gems (runed or, alot better, bold) i m 100% sure to sell all in one day.
for other gems, in large stocks, it s not 100% sure.
yesterday got one x5 proc on majestic zircon, put in ah 7, solid, 2 unsold.
red finished gems price here is around 170/180g average, in close past was over 200g, eo ofc. eternal fire cost is 20/25g eo, scarlet 40g.
consider here it s full of dks and paladins, maybe 40% of chars when you look around :)


PS: here i still selling 226 plate items(dps/tank waist) for 3/4k gold too: this is a world of plate wearers:p

[crowdx]

I think you guys should get jobs in the stock market lol. Essentially the AH is the stock market but working in a video game :)
My biggest frustration these days is how cheap Frostweave bags are selling for, no idea why the market fell so hard but bags that sold for 70g are now selling for less than 50g on my server (Uther).
My only constant gold maker has been transmutes. I do not play the AH, instead I just post any excess mats I have (had enchanters that I DE all the dungeon drops from) and this can make a bit of gold here and there.
Otherwise I do the dailies as per the guide posted here, but I do think it gets VERY boring really fast.
I have found that running dungeons and just selling greys can just about keep up with repair bills for the dungeons.

[Bigfish]

I think you guys should get jobs in the stock market lol. Essentially the AH is the stock market but working in a video game :)


The stock market require a significant investment of real money. Personally, I estimate I need about 30k before I can really make any good money, and there is a LOT more involvement. Plus, the AH is really more like a giant flea market than a stock market. There are many, many layers to stock performance that the AH can't even begin to replicate.

As far as AH tips go, I'd say find an overvalued corner of the market, and capitalize on it. I'm making about 300G a day selling Saronite Swordbreakers. Buy the mats, put it up for sale with a 15% mark up, wait for it to sell reinvest the proceeds. Everyone else is tring to sell the things at a 50% gouge, which I find excessive.

Watch trade, see what people are asking others to craft for them. Those are going to be your high volume goods you can swoop in on. Just don't go dumping 20 of something, because you can induce a panic, and everyone starts undercutting terribly. With titanium, I transmute from saronite, and put up 5 bars at a time, at a hair cheaper than the cheapest price. More often than not, they sell, and the other cheapest person is none the wiser they are being undercut.

[alcattle]

Watch trade, see what people are asking others to craft for them. Those are going to be your high volume goods you can swoop in on. Just don't go dumping 20 of something, because you can induce a panic, and everyone starts undercutting terribly. With titanium, I transmute from saronite, and put up 5 bars at a time, at a hair cheaper than the cheapest price. More often than not, they sell, and the other cheapest person is none the wiser they are being undercut.
I was thinking about this very product as I hope to have a transmute master soon. Already have a miner. One bar prices on my realm...I see titanium is the lowest, with Saronite and cobalt very close, all within 5g. Why transmute 8 bars of saronite for the price of one titanium? I am sure I am wrong, people can't be all stupid. I will double check to make I was not looking at stacks of the lower bars. Also this is wrong but also fair as ore has other uses, but 1 T. ore is like 11g and 1 bar is 16g. You lose money by smelting ore.

[Littleburst]

http://nl.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20jh1j6&s=5

The result of canceling & posting once or twice each day with Quick Auctions and resuplying my glyphsell alts once a month. Not bad i'd say.

Yes, there is plenty of competition, but that's why glyphs are awesome. Since there are over 350 different glyphs.

[alcattle]

too small to tell but there was many numbers before gold coin. Awesome, wish I had the balls/ patience to do that right.

[jinkobi]

On my server right now you can make a fortune on TBC mats- ore/herbs. I imagine it's like this on other servers as well.

Most people see TBC as just a stepping stone to WOTLK and aren't spending time in Outlands. When I was powerleveling engineering the AH was completely void of any TBC mats and the few there were as much as WOTLK mats even higher. Farmed most of what I needed and found Outlands almost completely deserted.

As for myself I'm lazy but always seem to have good fortune making $$. For a long time I made a mint parking alts at the Ravasaur, Leaping, Darting hatchlings, and Black Tabby cat, spawn locations. With little effort makings 1000's of gold a day.

Now that I have a fully geared team I just goto the Pit of Saron and farm a battered hilt- sell it for 15k and call it a day. Might range from 1 minute to 5hrs to farm one but the Necromancers and skeleton packs are worth around 10+gold alone + green, blue, and epic drops. With my Travellers Tundra I even make a small profit from all the grey items that drop.

There's so many ways to make money in this game really hard to go wrong. In original WOW it was hard but not anymore by any means.

[Littleburst]

too small to tell but there was many numbers before gold coin. Awesome, wish I had the balls/ patience to do that right.

I posted it because i cba to control markets aswell. So i don't, i just hope people start doing this aswell on their server, since it's gonna be hard to earn ~2k a day so easy with any other methods. There's no knowledge involved here, it's so stupid simple :)

[alcattle]

I posted it because i cba to control markets aswell. So i don't, i just hope people start doing this aswell on their server, since it's gonna be hard to earn ~2k a day so easy with any other methods. There's no knowledge involved here, it's so stupid simple :)
That's me stupid and simple and the main is a scribe

[Littleburst]

For the people interested: http://www.wowstability.com/crafting-glyphs-using-kevmar-ktq/

An addon that simplifies crafting items with proffesions.

Make a macro of a list of items + the amount and you're 1 click away from queueing all those items in a craftlist. and then buy all reagents needed in 1 click.

Scribe:

if you want 5 glyphs of fireball, KTQ will check your alt banks etc through Altoholic how many you still have, then craft the amount needed to gain a total of 5 Glyphs of Fireball.

Just check the vid, couldn't be simpler.

[Blacky_Chan]

I find the biggest monet making via AH is finding cheap items on other factions AH that sell for a nice price for yoru faction and xfering via a neutral AH.

[rage]

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