Hilts

[Sihl]

Hi All,

Hope you all had a great holiday season.

Have any of you had any luck with the Battered Hilts?
I've spent at least half of my time continually farming POS trash with no luck at all.

Plenty of fist weapons (6), a set of bracers, and a dagger. But no hilt.

Sihl.

[Malekyth]

I haven't been farming as much, but after maybe ten times through FoS and a few trash clears in PoS, I haven't seen a hilt either. These are appropriately rare. :)

[Ualaa]

Pretty much, needed to do this right away, when they were dropping fast.

The best bet now, is to farm the ICC 5-man heroics, as they can drop there.
But even if they don't, you are getting the best drops possible.
Which can be sold or disenchanted, or equipped.
And the proceeds can be used to buy hilts if any appear on the AH.

[jettzypher]

ive seen two. the first during my first time through the new 5-mans a couple days after it was out. the 2nd was a week or so ago... lost the roll on that.

[Void]

dozens of runs through PoS trash i lost count not even one has dropped since they lowered then raised the drop rate. ive given up. Ill stick with my garfrost hammers!

[Zal]

i've seen 3 drop all from PoS, however none while i was boxing but i had the luck to win 2 of the 3. I just bought 6 from the AH and got my shamans and DKs their weapons. Easier and less painful farming gold to buy the hilts than the hilts themselves.

[Gares]

I farmed forever not to see one. I only needed one for my lone pally. I ended up buying one but it was 19k to buy it. sucks but its what I had to do.

[Zal]

I farmed forever not to see one. I only needed one for my lone pally. I ended up buying one but it was 19k to buy it. sucks but its what I had to do.
holy hell, they only sell for about 10k on my server.

[slox]

I've had 3 drop all late at night while doing the instances for normal gear. Sold the first one for 30k used the 2nd and still have the 3rd. Got one from each zone, random epics are random.

[Mokoi]

im 1/5. bought on AH. I hate farming drops, id rather farm the gold.

I have been selling Saronite i get from frost badges, as the market for them will only go down in time, and selling them now makes more sense.

[offive]

I farmed the first week, nothing but the otehr random epics dropped (and I am kicking myself I didnt just go crazy that first night with trash farming but the stability issues were too much). Including two leather bracers in the same pack, then another leather barcer not 5 minutes after that... sigh. I don't farm any more but if I get any of the ICC 5 mans in the random I do clear all trash just in case. I am about to switch to gold farming mode and simply buy them for the toons I want them on. Hilt price on my server is sitting around 15k. Of course I have another batch of toons that will need epic flying soon. $$$

[thinus]

I farmed forever not to see one. I only needed one for my lone pally. I ended up buying one but it was 19k to buy it. sucks but its what I had to do.

For a Prot pally? Is it worth it?

[johny_mnemonic]

I was lucky to get one on the first day of patch, next 3 however were all bought at AH for 10 000 - 18 000. Now all my characters on main account has their hilt. Definitely better AND faster than farming it yourself. The fun thing is, I have the spent money back in 4 days via AH trading.

[Zal]

there is no tanking weapon from the hilts (unless your a feral tank than maybe)

[Multibocks]

Or a DK tank =)

Just FYI, in ICC10 man there are two swords that drop regularly. So if you are saving up for a hilt for a 2h sword, save your money and just go in a PuG raid.

[Raskaz]

I got one so far but since the drop rate is so low I might as well play the national lottery.
I still run FoS each day since it's the easiest for me but that's about it (needless to say my hilt dropped when I was doing FoR the other day ;) )

[remanz]

I got 1 yesterday for my group. Seen it once in a non-boxing group the day 3.3 was released. Lost the roll though. Totally not worth farming just this thing (not getting badges). Plus the 2h sword looks super small. It is like a 1h sword, not my kinda weapon.

[Sihl]

I'm determined to get one. I'm not in a rush though.
I usually port into POS (Heroic) if the random gives me something crappy.
I can clear 70% of the trash in there before my 15 minutes is up.

As a side note, a guild mate saw two drop in a random FOS run yesterday. Typical.

[Gares]

I got one for my Ret Pally PVP spec that I play solo with. No other reason I would want more except for getting the caster version for my PVP shaman team. Other then that I would sell them if I see them drop but I'm not farming it any longer

[Altsoba]

My question is:

PvE gear changes really fast and what is today one of the top weapons is almost like in 2-3 months 4th+ best weapon. When it's a drop no question about it of course but when it costs +10k it makes me think twice;

What is in your opinion the "longevity" of a weapon like this one? Won't it for example just be outdated by the new 1.8k rating weapons? I say this because even if normally if you don't think you'll get that rating, you pay at the most 2k to someone to boost you in 2s.

What do you guys think?

Thank you

[Gadzooks]

My question is:

PvE gear changes really fast and what is today one of the top weapons is almost like in 2-3 months 4th+ best weapon. When it's a drop no question about it of course but when it costs +10k it makes me think twice;

What is in your opinion the "longevity" of a weapon like this one? Won't it for example just be outdated by the new 1.8k rating weapons? I say this because even if normally if you don't think you'll get that rating, you pay at the most 2k to someone to boost you in 2s.

What do you guys think?

Thank you

If you PvP, you probably have at least 2 more seasons before Cataclysm comes out, so you'll probably replace it sooner rather than later.

If you don't, the only gear that can top it will come from the new wings (opening today, I think), and Arthas, and we have'nt seen his drop table yet - and if there's no new patch between now and the next exp, then they're a good investment. Assuming Blizzard doesn't throw out a Mag's Terrace on us between now and Cata - they said no more major patches, but who knows?

I would say, if you don't seriously raid and don't pvp, the hilt weapon will probably take you to 83-84, like the end game gear did with Wrath - IF Cata is itemized like Wrath - weapons were few and far between in Wrath.

[Lyonheart]

If you PvP, you probably have at least 2 more seasons before Cataclysm comes out, so you'll probably replace it sooner rather than later..


Wrong! Seasons only change with PvE content. Unless there is T11 PvE in the works.. this upcoming season will be the final season. They could do a half step up like they did with Sunwell, but they have said T10 is the last Tier. Bliz have said they "might" add a new boss or two ( new OS bosses more than likely ) So if those add T11ish gear.. we might get a new season.

[Multibocks]

If you PvP, you probably have at least 2 more seasons before Cataclysm comes out, so you'll probably replace it sooner rather than later.

If you don't, the only gear that can top it will come from the new wings (opening today, I think), and Arthas, and we have'nt seen his drop table yet - and if there's no new patch between now and the next exp, then they're a good investment. Assuming Blizzard doesn't throw out a Mag's Terrace on us between now and Cata - they said no more major patches, but who knows?

I would say, if you don't seriously raid and don't pvp, the hilt weapon will probably take you to 83-84, like the end game gear did with Wrath - IF Cata is itemized like Wrath - weapons were few and far between in Wrath.

Actually I ran ICC10 the other day and there are two swords in the first four bosses that are equivalent, if not better. Save your money and run ICC10. There will only be one or two other people in the raid that can use it, so it almost defaults to you.

[remanz]

The question is how long does it take for you to earn 10k gold? Have you maxed your professions on all toons yet? If you maxed on professions and got all mounts then spending 10k gold on a weapon is really not an issue.

As for ICC 10 man raid, it is obviously a better choice for weapon if you can join the raid. With my level of gear, I can't get in ICC 10 man raid. and I don't intend to further gear my self up in PVE after I beat POS to farm a 232 2h. Not to mention we need 5 weapons here.

So I think focus gear 1-2 toons to raid ICC 10 man, buy Hilt if you got the money to spare. Then you be all set. As for 251 weapons going to be outdated. It is certainly good enough to carry you to 1800 arena rating to get the next tier 264 weapon.


as for 2kg boost in 2s to 1800, all i have to say is wah !? in 5s (maybe), 2 v 2 ? How can I get to 1800 rating if I don't know how to play where I am half of the team. You get to 1800 because you have 1800 skills in 2s, I don't think anybody can just boost you there. (not trade wins)

[Dramoth]

On Anachronos in the EU, the hilts are going for between 13k and 19k... although I have seen someone barking in trade selling one for 10k

With the way everything is going, spending that sort of money isn't going to be justified unless the blade itself will last until Cataclysm and considering that there are still 3 more quarters in ICC to be released before Cataclysm comes out it just isn't worth it.

I really want the one hander for my rogue :D

[Malekyth]

I just made a bunch of Icebane and Glacial gear for my main team, for the Tyrannus fight. Now I need to gem and enchant it, and suddenly I actually have something I need to spend money on. :)

Once Tyrannus is on farm, I will have nothing to buy but a hilt, I guess. I'm probably not going to have a chance to raid before Cataclysm (Lightbringer loves its Gearscore, and heroics apparently don't cut it), so buying the thing for a DPS or three makes total sense.

[falsfire3401]

I was lucky to get one on my first POS run when it came out and the drop rate was high (another guildie got one on the same run too).

Nowadays, I'm thinking I need to switch my useless 2nd combat spec to mutilate, drag my daggers outta the bank and whenever random heroic sends me to the new instances, insta-switch to mutilate and equip my daggers so people don't see that I already have Quel'delar. That way I can roll /need on it without ppl knowing I already have had it.

Problem is I only have one slow 232 dagger (the Forge of Souls one). I have the fast 232 dagger from random trash drop in the new instances too, but you generally don't want a fast dagger for mutilate. But being a 232 it might be better than my iLvl 200 blue slow dagger...I dunno.

Is combat/daggers still a useful spec? I can see that having a need for fast + slow daggers...

No, I'm not as evil as you think. I won't sell it, I'll put it in my gbank for another guildie to use (lucky 1st person to see it there gets it).

[Multibocks]

Actually, believe it or not you want Slow/Fast as mutilate. The only time you want Slow/Slow is if you are pvping and hope to wipe someone out in the first couple of stun sequences. So stick with mutilate, although it just got nerfed.

edit: from EJ forums


PvE Mutilate, fast and flawed advice
Highest DPS dagger mainhand, have at least one fast dagger in either hand.
Fastest dagger - Deadly Poison, Other dagger - Instant Poison.

Priority:
* Ensure that there is a bleed (ie. Rupture, Deep Wounds, Rend) on the target.
* Start up Hunger for Blood.
* Start up Slice and Dice however you please, really.
* Use vanish whenever possible for Overkill buff.

1. Keep HFB up.
2. Keep SnD up (mainly via Envenom).
3. 4+ combo point Envenom.
4. ToT when off cooldown, especially with 2pc T10.