need help with TOC

[JackBurton]

I made 80 and got some decent gear. I'm trying to learn TOC Regular but im having trouble with the very first mount fight.

[zenga]

This thread (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=23480), also youtube 'jousting Toc'.

Not that i'm good at it myself, it's just where i found the info.

[Rms]

Basically, don't try to do it like you would as a single player.

It works best if you pile up your guys and don't move.

[d0z3rr]

Not sure, but I think you need to be decently geared even for normal. I made it through the mounted stuff after some trial and error, but once I had to fight the 3 people I was decimated.

[Malekyth]

When I run ToC with my girlfriend's hunter subbing for a warlock, I have to keep reminding her, "please bring them back here, I can't move." She plays like a single player, charging and jumping around and dragging aggro all over the place, while I -- all four of me -- stay put until I absolutely have to shift. If you're boxing this, you have to play it in a specific way, or it doesn't work so well.

Am I the only one who looks forward to taking down the last champion with a Charge just because, at that point, it's actually practical? :)

The champions, once dismounted, are pretty tough cookies. This is kind of like the jump in difficulty between basic BC and Magister's Terrace -- you have to be in the ballpark of running WotLK heroics before you can expect to survive regular ToC.

[Oswyn]

I made 80 and got some decent gear. I'm trying to learn TOC Regular but im having trouble with the very first mount fight.

But you're JackBurton. Shouldn't you be able to do things no one else can do?

[Gadzooks]

The YouTube vids lay it out pretty well - after running it solo, MBing it looks easier - my pug was running all over the place during the jousting, it looked so inefficient! :)

[thinus]

I got normal on farm now. Just the jousting at the start that is annoying, the rest I clear very easily. I got through the jousting only once without losing anyone. Easy epics make up for the deaths.

I get destroyed in the jousting on heroic though /sigh, more practice I suppose.

[Pallarfo]

Same here, regular is a faceroll on the jousting, but HC is a wipe.
Got as far as 2 guys down, and one with full hp on the mount, only 2 of my guys were alive :(

Is only the HP and damage of the mobs higher, or is there something else different?

[thinus]

Ok, I managed to get through heroic champ jousting, 1x pally left standing, rez up and this is how things went:

Champs - rofl
Paletress - Flawless (although a little hectic at times getting everyone healed)
Black Knight phase 1 - rofl

*EARMUFFS*

WTF PHASE 2 AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

About 1.5K in repairs later the Black Knight is dead. Things I wish I knew before I started the fight:


1. CLEANSE / DISPEL THE SHIT OFF THE TANK
Seriously those diseases will ruin your day.

Plague Strike - Inflicts 120% weapon damage and leaves a disease dealing 1,755 to 1,845 (Heroic: 3,510 to 3,690) Shadow damage every 2 sec for 12 seconds.
Icy Touch - Inflicts 2,975 to 3,075 (Heroic: 4,875 to 5,125) Frost damage and applies a Frost Fever disease, dealing 1,950 to 2,050 (Heroic: 3,413 to 3,587 ) Frost damage every 3 seconds and reducing attack and cast speed by 25%. Lasts 15 seconds.

(All ezmode auto cleansing shaman please be kind and stfu)



2. WHEN A GHOUL EXPLODES THE OTHER BASTARDS RESET THEIR AGGRO
Consecration, Hammer of the Righteous, Ghoul starts exlopding KABAM!!! 5+ Ghouls humping my healer, corpse run.
I kid you not, this is the behaviour I observed in lots and lots and lots of attempts where I attempted many many many different strategies.



This is how I beat the Black Knight:
Dispelled shit off the tank.
Corpse humped the Black Knight with my entire team in the phase 1 -> 2 transition.
Consecration.
Tap tap tap the Black Knight till most Ghouls accounted for.
Arcane Explosion + Holy Nova + Exploding Trap + Seed of Corruption + Hellfire SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
Cackle hysterically at dead ghouls.
Dispel shit off the tank.
Kill the SoB.
Kill the SoB again while spamming AoE heal.

Cry myself to sleep.

[Fursphere]

(All ezmode auto cleansing shaman please be kind and stfu)You're a paladin. learn2pally and self-cleanse (and stfu).

[remanz]

I got normal on farm now. Just the jousting at the start that is annoying, the rest I clear very easily. I got through the jousting only once without losing anyone. Easy epics make up for the deaths.

I get destroyed in the jousting on heroic though /sigh, more practice I suppose.

I ran TOC 5 man heroic again after 3.3 release. It seems like they changed the jousting part on 3 champions. They hit harder and focus on wolves with low HP. It might be just me. But In 3.2, the jousting part in heroic is as easy as the one in normal. Now using the old strategy where all 5 of my guys sit at 1 spot, I have to switch like 5-6 wolves on different guys to beat them. Sometimes even bubble once I am knocked out to get to the 2nd wolf. In 3.2, I barely have to switch.

[thinus]

You're a paladin. learn2pally and self-cleanse (and stfu).

You just can't resist posting stupid shit every excuse you get, can you? I am very sorry if you can't tell the difference between just dropping a totem and completely forgetting about the debuffs and actually having to watch for the debuffs and actively cleanse/dispel it. Although it is not the most difficult skill to learn it is still a little more complicated and slightly more difficult than having to remember to drop your goddamn cleansing totem before the fight.

[Malekyth]

I am very sorry if you can't tell the difference between just dropping a totem and completely forgetting about the debuffs and actually having to watch for the debuffs and actively cleanse/dispel it.

You can't say "stfu" and not expect a snarky comment -- which I'd like to think I'd have gotten to if Fur hadn't -- but I still know what you mean. Now I have a shaman healer and the world of difference is very clear. Shamans are awesome because they're so automatic. They're the path of least resistance for boxing, but that does make it a bit harder for the rest of us (er, I guess I'm no longer "the rest of us", at least on my new group) to find what we need.

[Fursphere]

You just can't resist posting stupid shit every excuse you get, can you? I am very sorry if you can't tell the difference between just dropping a totem and completely forgetting about the debuffs and actually having to watch for the debuffs and actively cleanse/dispel it. Although it is not the most difficult skill to learn it is still a little more complicated and slightly more difficult than having to remember to drop your goddamn cleansing totem before the fight.

Since you seem to be incapable of learning even a basic Pally tanking survival macro, I shall provide it for you, free of charge. (you can also enable auto-self cast and just skip the macro - your choice)



/cast [target=player] cleanse


I'll even help you with your keybinds, as you appear to be in need.

I assign this to my 1 key, which also happens to be my "quick heal tank" key on my healer (do you need that macro too?). So as I'm manually rolling HoTs on my tank as needed, my tank is also cleansing the bad things off himself. There is an addon available called decursive - its been around since the lvl 60 days. It makes a really loud "gong" style noise when something is placed on a party member that is removeable. It also provides a visual reminder as well.

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/decursive.aspx (there, a quick link to the addon even)

So if you'd like to QQ moar, be my guest. But seriously, totems are far from needed to keep the tank cleaned off when you're a Paladin tank. The long pulse between totem ticks is long even for some posions and diseases to kill off party members as well - so if you're soley relying on totems, you're going to have a lot of big repair bills. But you've got Shaman, you should know this/ And if you're too damn stubborn to use a simple addon like decursive to assist with things like removable debuffs - thats not my problem, thats yours.

[thinus]

Blah blah blah. You keep missing the point. I can cleanse and zomg, I got a priest so I dispel as well. I am not saying it is difficult just that it is more difficult than just dropping a totem and forgetting about it. Arguing against this is just stupid. But go right ahead.

[Fursphere]

You keep missing the point. I can cleanse

Your argument and tone alone sugggest your CAN'T do this, hence the reason you're bitching about it and at the same time making rude remaks to Shaman players.


I got a priest so I dispel as well.

learn2priest then? Roll abolish disease on the tank? thats damn near the same as dropping a totem. You could even write a castsequence macro to continusouly roll abolish disease on the tank, making it effectively identical to having a Shaman totem. (so it IS that easy, even if you want to argue otherwise)

Or you can sit there with your nose in the air talking shit and somehow thinking you're superiour to other players because your don't play a Shaman.

Again, your choice.

[Bigfish]

I always found self cleansing to be a bit of a hassle with 9-6-9 going on. Priest with Abolish Disease does make the diseases easy to handle. I feel sorry for anyone who goes in to ToC without at least something to cleanse diseases though.

[thinus]

God you are still trying to teach me how to play and you think I am the one acting superior. Fuck off.

[Fursphere]

God you are still trying to teach me how to play and you think I am the one acting superior. Fuck off.

As a Shaman player myself, I took your previous comments as an insulting (as anyone should). I am merely showing you how hypocritical your comments are now that I realize you have a priest in your group (they were slightly hypocritical to begin with with a Pally tank).

[thinus]

As a Shaman player myself, I took your previous comments as an insulting (as anyone should). I am merely showing you how hypocritical your comments are now that I realize you have a priest in your group (they were slightly hypocritical to begin with with a Pally tank).

I loled at the "as a shaman player myself" part.

[Fursphere]

I loled at the "as a shaman player myself" part.

I'm still loling at your "decursing is hard" QQ crap.

[thinus]

I'm still loling at your "decursing is hard" QQ crap.

Whatever dude, you think placing a totem is harder than having to decurse, you have more serious problems than trolling threads on here.

[Littleburst]

Whatever dude, you think placing a totem is harder than having to decurse, you have more serious problems than trolling threads on here.

You're missing his point aswell. Your post isn't a normal post. So Fur's point still stand imo.

[Fursphere]

wrong thread.

[Niley]

this is funny.
I run with 3 shamans, yet i choose to manually cleanse on my pally and have 3 healing stream down.
IF someone thinks that's hard they should maybe switch to boxing my little pony island.

if any of You think anything in this game pve wise is hard I'll LoL.

[fightcow]

this is funny.
I run with 3 shamans, yet i choose to manually cleanse on my pally and have 3 healing stream down.
IF someone thinks that's hard they should maybe switch to boxing my little pony island.

if any of You think anything in this game pve wise is hard I'll LoL.


Depends how you define 'hard' i guess...It all gets easier with gear and practice, but initially theres a lot of trial and error, plenty of challenge, and hence some satisfaction when the job is done.

maybe you're not being serious? but it seems like a really arrogant comment. LoL away by all means :)

[d0z3rr]

Does the Black Knight have a random phase 3? The first time I got to him I made it through phase 1 and 2 pretty easily (paladins!!), then in phase 3 something happened and I was staring at a graveyard.

Tried it again last night and downed him without issue. The only thing I noticed was that in phase 3 he changed into a ghost form or something. I don't remember him doing that the last time I tried him.

[d0z3rr]

Anyone? I tried ToC again, but wiped on Paletress 3 times. The funny thing is I had better gear than the last time I killed her, but still managed to die horribly. I don't know how I kill bosses sometimes.

But I have a good feeling I will always get Paletress in ToC, because WoW loves me so much (i.e. constant HoL random dungeons).

[remanz]

5 Paladins ? Paletress is hard. You got no tremor, no healing stream totem. The fear is gonna be brutal for you. Not to mention you can't purge the hots on the shadow. It will tick like crazy, healing him mad.

All I got for her is DPS hard on the shadow, cleanse the dot on anyone who gets it, divine shield + divine sacrifice rotation. PVP trinket for fear.

The rest is just gear.

[d0z3rr]

Yeah, that stupid heal is realllllly annoying. Hmmm, time to transfer a shaman, ha.