Shodokan's Multibox Blog: Info, Stream and more.

[Shodokan]

Introduction
I'm Colin,

I have been playing WoW for about 3 and a half years now and use to be a multi-boxer on Illidan US Horde. I ran three mages and four shaman back in BC and loved every minuet of it. I'm a wee bit obsessed with being rich in game while being respected by fellow players. I plan on going back to Illidan because well...most of my friends continue to play there and to be honest without kate, charlie, lihan and crew i would never have gotten to the point i was at before i stopped playing before. I'm a Junior at the University of Rhode Island studying Business. I guess that kind of explains my obsession with in game wealth. I'm known for being a very nice person but there is also the inner asshole that seems to sneak out more often than not, i'm not sure that makes sense but it's just how you can best describe me.

I have experience playing every class besides a priest at high end raids and most of which i used in PVP.

The thing i like most about multi-boxing is the ability to help any of your friends that you'd like with pretty much anything. I'm enjoying the fact that once my teams are complete i can pretty much do whatever i would like to with anyone i'd like any time i'd like. Substituting people in and out of groups due to group composition and such is really versatile and i think it will help quite a few of my friends gear alts and who knows maybe i'll even make some new friends.

This "blog" will be kept on site and i hope it can eventually act as a guide for those new multi-boxers out there. I don't want any of this to be theory so i will refrain from posting numbers etc until things have been completed.

I will be streaming everything live 24 hours a day so that anyone who might be interested can just take a look at what i'm doing and enjoy the show. I'll also be on a ventrilo server willing to chat with anyone who'd like some help with pretty much anything.

At the moment i am in the process of selling other gaming related items to fund this experiment including my current laptop, my ps3, some custom built arcade joysticks and my mame cabinet project.


My computer setup
Alien Ware... I wanted to built it myself with a friend but the person buying it wouldn't allow that. Yes i know... i'm a spoiled rich kid but lets not get too into my personal life mmk?

Processor: Intel Quad Core I-7 2.66gz
Graphics Card: Ati Radeon 5870 HD DDR5 1GB
Hdd: 640 gb RAID setup (2x 320 gb)
Ram: 12 gb DDR3 1600mhz
Psu: 800watt (i believe)
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Cooling system: "High Performance Liquid Cooling"
Monitor: 2x Asus 24" HD monitors + 42" Sony Bravia HDTV XBR series
Keyboard: Logitec G15 1st Generation (18 g keys)
Mouse: Razer Naga


The Plan
My friend Kate offered to BOOST four groups of toons for me on Illidan. She's very fast at this and in the past was able to get me from 1-60 in approximately 12 hours. She also does not have a job currently so as soon as i can i shal be starting this part of the process. I won't have my new computer yet so i won't be able to stream this portion... not like anyone wants to see me sitting there anyway.

After team one is leveled they should have approximately 30,000 gold (confirmed number by Asonimie) to use to buff up the tank. Day one will be used to be ran through ToC normal by some friends as well as some heroics to get some better gear. Possibly farm 4 hilts for my shaman.

My Prot Paladin will be made Enchanting/Jewelcrafting as they are the two most profitable professions on the Illidan server. Also you sort of need an enchanter for all of the things you will need to DE while gearing up the shaman through heroics.

After the tank is geared enough and the shaman have some BOE gear themselves the grind for PVE + PVP + BOA gear comes. This should take approximately 8 days of every heroic to get done, or less if i wish to swap out my tank for a random tank or kate's tank (if she wants to join me). It mainly depends on how dedicated i am feeling at the time to running heroics.

After these characters are geared there should be approximately another 20-30,000 gold to spend which will be used on leveling professions for alt characters. Other than the Rogues, Ret Pallys, one Death Knight everyone will be made either JC/Alchemy or Tailoring/Alchemy... have yet to decide while the listed characters will be Engineering/Alchemy. So this leaves me with 20 characters who will have professions purely to make money. I may change out a few here or there... like one to Inscription.

Leveling these alts to level 65 is all that is necessary for the 450 professions. So i will get this out of the way since making money is important and there will be at least 1/2 of my groups I want at 80.

After that comes my rogues purely for pvp and then you'll get to see them in action :)

I'd like to note that my first 80 team should hit 80 1/2 way through january and allow for two weeks for gearing and leveling alts. Once i get back to school my rogues will start =D

I plan to aim to break 1 million gold before Cataclysm comes out. I don't really know why i want to accomplish this but it's something i think would be really cool.

The teams
Team 1: Prot Paladin (account 1, granted to 60) + 4x Ele Shaman
Team 2: Rogue x 4
Team 3: Deathknight (account 1) + 4x Ret paladins
Team 4: Resto Druid (account 1, granted to 60) + 4x BM hunters
Team 5: 3x Mages
Team 6: 3x Warlocks
Team 7: 4x Death Knights

Order in which they will be leveled
Team 1
Team 2
Team 5
Team 3
Team 4
Team 6
Team 7

Kate will get a rogue, paladin and mage, there will be a warrior as well on account 1.


Stream Information And Vent Server

To be added... not sure if i will be using x-fire, justin.tv or another means.

Ventrilo
IP Address: Vent20.gameservers.com
Port: 4559
Pw: mooo




Each new post i make in here will pertain to what is done for X day. If you have questions feel free to post them and they will get answered in the mean time
-BOOSTING is to start on the 20th of December.

[Starbuck_Jones]

I don't buy the 30k gold when you hit 80 bit. 1-60 you will be negative 180g or so because with RAF you will level faster than you can loot to buy your spells. 60-70 questing you will only end up with about 800-900g per toon by the time you hit 70. Subtract spells, the cost to 60, and flying. You will be about broke even. That leaves 6k gold to earn per toon in 10 levels of Northrend. Not counting -5k gold for Northrend flying

Sure you can make a dime or two with tradeskills but not that much unless that is all you do instead of level to 80. There are just not enough rocks to find, berries to pick, animals to skin, or shinys to disenchant unless you dedicate a lot of time to just that.

[Ualaa]

I could see earning 6k per toon, equating to 30k across the team.
But there are expenses too.

Not sure exactly what they are, since I usually send 500g or so to my lower toons, so they can just level up.
And then have the existing team buy their mounts and such.

[Crel]

Well having a "friend" level your characters for you is kinda lame, and 4 SETS of toons at that? WTH

Directly after that comment you skip all of lv70-80 and start talking about farming toc and hilts?

I'll watch and hell you'll probably prove me an ass, but from what I gather you have don't have any characters as of right now? I don't see any guild/character links in your name, so your starting completely fresh? Honestly if you were such a big success already on this server, re-open those accounts for a foot hold.

Also, whats happened to all this money you obtained over the last 3 years? Why have you not built upon that and stayed there?
Did you burn out? Just seems pointless to start completely fresh.

Anyhow I wish you luck, you'll probably teach my me a thing or two.

[Shodokan]

Well having a "friend" level your characters for you is kinda lame, and 4 SETS of toons at that? WTH

Directly after that comment you skip all of lv70-80 and start talking about farming toc and hilts?

I'll watch and hell you'll probably prove me an ass, but from what I gather you have don't have any characters as of right now? I don't see any guild/character links in your name, so your starting completely fresh? Honestly if you were such a big success already on this server, re-open those accounts for a foot hold.

Also, whats happened to all this money you obtained over the last 3 years? Why have you not built upon that and stayed there?
Did you burn out? Just seems pointless to start completely fresh.

Anyhow I wish you luck, you'll probably teach my me a thing or two.

I was banned for retarded reasons which I've discussed with a few people on here and don't feel like explaining again. I lost approximately 120,000 gold and 6 level 80s on my main account that were all geared. I quit for 5 months because of the ban, but i'm coming back again to multi-box.

I skip 70-80 talk because there is no need for it. The only thing to it is questing and taking the time to do that, i do not plan on instancing to 80.


I don't buy the 30k gold when you hit 80 bit. 1-60 you will be negative 180g or so because with RAF you will level faster than you can loot to buy your spells. 60-70 questing you will only end up with about 800-900g per toon by the time you hit 70. Subtract spells, the cost to 60, and flying. You will be about broke even. That leaves 6k gold to earn per toon in 10 levels of Northrend. Not counting -5k gold for Northrend flying

Sure you can make a dime or two with tradeskills but not that much unless that is all you do instead of level to 80. There are just not enough rocks to find, berries to pick, animals to skin, or shinys to disenchant unless you dedicate a lot of time to just that.

Some of your points are good, but i'm lucky enough to have friends who will pay for my initial group's skills to 60, bags, normal + epic + normal flying. Flying is not necessary to level to 80 as every zone in the game besides Storm Peaks and Icecrown can be done without it. Even then you can use the "loaner" ones if you decide to use those areas to begin with. So that negates MOST of my costs. I do not plan on getting epic flying as it's going to be pointless since i will not be using gathering professions. Gold made in outland will be ~ 1k which leads to northrend's quests for ~ 5k or more depending on the amount of quests done and rewards chosen.

Warning, theory crafting based on sales of all items per day
Dedicating time to trade skills isn't necessary either. Especially with alchemy/JC. If i choose to use tailoring it will take approximately 1.5 hours every 4 days to go about making all the cloth (summoning or moving characters from locations with an overgeared character). If 1.5 hours is too much time every 4 days for an extra... 8,000 gold worth then... i dunno what is worth that amount of time. Time to create all gems would be the amount of time to login/out and create gems and ship to bank alt... So maybe 3 minuets per group of 5... so that is daily less than an hour for... ~ 3400 gold (most gems sell for 100-120 on illidan UN CUT) minus costs of mats (about 1k) is ~ 2400 profit that assumes no transmutation procs. The only time necessary to be dedicated is level the characters to 65... which really isn't all that much time since they are going to be leveled eventually anyway. Since most groups will not be groups of 5 you can just boost them on your main paladin (which i will have a ret offset for) but prot will more than be fine. It takes approximately 1 hour per level from 60-65 boosting. So that is 5 hours per group (and i will have leather BOA gear so anyone leather to plate levels faster)

Total time invested: Approximately 50 hours played to get all groups to 65. And then about an hour or so after all materials are bought to power level a profession. So yes that is a lot of time to put into it. But if you think about it in the long run... making an extra ~8,000 gold per week for 30 minuets of work per day (more if you have tailoring/jc) and upwards to ~15000 per week (assuming 2x tailoring per week or icy prisms to get mats for alchemy + dragons eyes/possible epic gems)

[Souca]

Forum resident SMARTASS.

This position is highly coveted and has been taken for years. I'll put you on the list should the existing smart ass fail to perform their duties.

- Souca -

[Sajuuk]

I was banned for retarded reasons which I've discussed with a few people on here and don't feel like explaining again. I lost approximately 120,000 gold and 6 level 80s on my main account that were all geared. I quit for 5 months because of the ban, but i'm coming back again to multi-box.


I was banned once for a 'stupid' reason: tricking people into afking out of AV.

PROTIP: Don't break the rules!

[Shodokan]

I was banned once for a 'stupid' reason: tricking people into afking out of AV.

PROTIP: Don't break the rules!

It had nothing to do with tricking people to afk out of backgrounds or anything "bad." You can assume as you wish though.


PROTIP TAKEN. >_>

[Fursphere]

I was banned for retarded reasons which I've discussed with a few people on here and don't feel like explaining again. I lost approximately 120,000 gold and 6 level 80s on my main account that were all geared. I quit for 5 months because of the ban, but i'm coming back again to multi-box.

So what was your original forum username here?

[Shodokan]

So what was your original forum username here?

I wasn't banned from these boards. Ever. You've been pm'd. Next time please PM me instead of possible thread derailment.

[gitcho]

@the plan

147 posts so far .... sounds like you've put some time into thinking about this ... just wondering how many toons you currently have, and what level they are ...

[Shodokan]

@the plan

147 posts so far .... sounds like you've put some time into thinking about this ... just wondering how many toons you currently have, and what level they are ...


At the moment none. I'm finishing up finals and then starting my boosting this weekend as stated at the end of the first post. Boosting should finish within 4 days after starting and then i will continue once i get my new computer a few days after christmas.

[Fursphere]

I wasn't banned from these boards. Ever. You've been pm'd. Next time please PM me instead of possible thread derailment.

Did I say you were banned? Did I suggest it? No, I didn't.

Good job assuming things there bud. I only asked because it became very obvious that you had changed your forum name here. This is your blog right? That means you can talk about your history (as you already are). Why the attempt to hide it?

[Shodokan]

Did I say you were banned? Did I suggest it? No, I didn't.

Good job assuming things there bud. I only asked because it became very obvious that you had changed your forum name here. This is your blog right? That means you can talk about your history (as you already are). Why the attempt to hide it?

Why would i ATTEMPT to hide anything? IN FACT i made this perfectly clear in my first post back here on the forums.

My former username was ILIKEMAGES.

Edited.

[Sajuuk]

Why would i ATTEMPT to hide anything? IN FACT i made this perfectly clear in my first post back here on the forums.

My former username was ILIKEMAGES.

Edited.


WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.


Calm down sparky.

[Shodokan]

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.


Calm down sparky.

I'm calm. Caps doesn't mean I'm "yelling". Adding emphasis does not always imply hard feelings either. Though i'm aware it can be taken that way, it was not meant that way. I think i need to start explaining how things are meant to be taken, as opposed to leaving them open to interpretation.

Lets try and keep this free of further "spam." Unless you have a question, wish to discuss a point, call me out on something I've said to not be true or something constructive then please keep it to yourself.

[Sajuuk]

So I hear you like mudkips. How do you take them? Battered, fried? Have you tried drowning them in vodka? How about some lager?


WE CANNAE DO IT CAP'N! HIS DEFENSES ARE TOO STRONG!

[gitcho]

<constructive>
perhaps more posts on teams you're actually running ... theorycrafting is great and all, but many here have been playing teams at 80 for a long time now and have first hand experience multiboxing dailies/heroics/raids etc ...
</constructive>

you said in your OP that you wanted to be respected by other players. The guys(&girls) I respect here are the ones who have actually done the content, and fought through wipe after wipe trying to figure out encounters - then posting about what worked for them. Not sayin you don't have anything to contribute, but you might find an easier time on the forums here once you've got some multiboxing experience at 80 under your belt ... a guy named sam comes to mind ...

just sayin is all :)

[Shodokan]

<constructive>
perhaps more posts on teams you're actually running ... theorycrafting is great and all, but many here have been playing teams at 80 for a long time now and have first hand experience multiboxing dailies/heroics/raids etc ...
</constructive>

you said in your OP that you wanted to be respected by other players. The guys(&girls) I respect here are the ones who have actually done the content, and fought through wipe after wipe trying to figure out encounters - then posting about what worked for them. Not sayin you don't have anything to contribute, but you might find an easier time on the forums here once you've got some multiboxing experience at 80 under your belt ... a guy named sam comes to mind ...

just sayin is all :)

I'm well aware of the whole "sam" situation. I understand that i will have luxuries that other boxers did not have to begin with (easy t9 opposed to t7 etc). I am aware that people have fought their way through the instances learning encounters etc and have shared all of that information with the community. As far as that goes i can't be very innovative now can i? I look foward to being 80 and able to do whatever i'd like. There are many aspects of the game that don't change based on the amount of characters played at a time, sure there is a difference when raiding or doing heroics but a majority of the parts of the game i enjoy do not change.

I do not intend on 5boxing raids (very often), a max of 3boxing all of which will be DPS. I actually have a guild i will be raiding with once i decide on what i want to run as my three main characters for raiding. It would surely be an experience to try and solo certain older raids but at this point i'm not sure exactly what i'm up for in regards to that. The only thing i know for sure i will be doing is going for the pheonix mount with a few guildies.

I'm just doing this for fun. Part of what makes WoW fun for me is making gold, making friends and helping other players, i've become very good at that over the years. I'm big into pvp as well. The PVE aspect is only a small portion for me. Though i know most people here will not respect me as apparently i come across as an arrogant prick even though that's not how i intended to come across... but i'm here for the long run.

-Colin

[Crel]

More power to doing what you find as fun, it just erks me when you say your getting a friend to 1-60 for you, then dismiss 70-80 as "not worth talking about". Also that your friend is getting basic mounts etc is pretty retarded.
So basically 1-80 is not worth talking about?


Introduction
This "blog" will be kept on site and i hope it can eventually act as a guide for those new multi-boxers out there. I don't want any of this to be theory so i will refrain from posting numbers etc until things have been completed.
[/B]

I cant imagine any new-multiboxers getting free groups of lv 60's, and a server full of friends that will carry you. So no, i dont think this will be any use to new multi's.

[Ualaa]

The methods you use to gear up, and to accrue gold, once at maximum level will be interesting.

Getting from 1st to 80th, is not that exciting really, although a new toy or what not can be for a time.
There are a lot of posts for how to level, and most of the information or options are already covered fine.

Hearing how you did something, as a blog, will be good too.
Always neat to hear what others have done, and how they did it.

[Shodokan]

More power to doing what you find as fun, it just erks me when you say your getting a friend to 1-60 for you, then dismiss 70-80 as "not worth talking about". Also that your friend is getting basic mounts etc is pretty retarded.
So basically 1-80 is not worth talking about?



I cant imagine any new-multiboxers getting free groups of lv 60's, and a server full of friends that will carry you. So no, i dont think this will be any use to new multi's.

What is to talk about? Besides the route in which i plan on questing?

I understand it might not be "helpful" to many new boxers who plan on 5boxing because they will have to quest it all. But seriously the quests in the game are the same no matter what place you do them in, we're all aware of this. Find this...kill that...talk to this person...same shit different zone. To those whom enjoy questing more power to them but it's something i'm not particularly fond of as it can be boring and mundane. As long as i'm interacting with people, or doing something I enjoy it's fun for me. I appreciate that you feel it's important that me doing what i enjoy is important.

I'm sorry it erks you that i'm getting boosted. It's the same as anyone starting out boxing with a main account already with an 80 who CAN boost. Why would you do it any differently if you had the option? I won't be "carried" through anything more than any normal player would who is in a guild, i understand that is not a strong suit for boxing but it's something that is more common practice than not from my experiences. I guess it's just all point of view. I respect where you are coming from.


The methods you use to gear up, and to accrue gold, once at maximum level will be interesting.

Getting from 1st to 80th, is not that exciting really, although a new toy or what not can be for a time.
There are a lot of posts for how to level, and most of the information or options are already covered fine.

Hearing how you did something, as a blog, will be good too.
Always neat to hear what others have done, and how they did it.

That is the major point of this. To provide an interesting event log on how to basically go from nothing to something. Albeit with a little help along the road but people get that from time to time as is, even if they are new to a server.

Your posts always make me feel good. =D

[Crel]

Certain we just differ on what we want from WoW. I enjoyed leveling them myself, and have pride in doing it. My end goals are to enjoy as much content as possible.

Your goals are money, thats ok, as its as worthwhile a goal as any in WoW. Dont, and you obviously wont, let anyone derail from what you want to do. I'm just the opposite as I believe money is a means to an end, but not the end. Opposites attract and I really do hope you succeed!:)

[thinus]

That is the major point of this. To provide an interesting event log on how to basically go from nothing to something. Albeit with a little help along the road but people get that from time to time as is, even if they are new to a server.

And what seems to "erk" (omg I feel unclean even just quoting that and it is actually "irk" btw if anyone is really interested at this point, not being a grammar / spelling nazi, just offhand educational comments to allow better communication and what was I trying to say again?)

Lets start over. I think some people are irked when you say things like "go from nothing to something" when clearly you are not going from nothing. Not when you start off with free mounts, boosting, etc. Thats like saying I started with nothing in arenas and now have the latest and greatest series gear when each of your characters was carried by another team.

And just fyi, I have 2 teams of 5 at 80. I have a DK team of 5 at 68 which doesn't really count although they have done all the <70 BC instances. I have never boosted because the mind numbing tediousness of the technique would drive me to suicide. I really enjoy doing instances close to the intended level although with Blizzard's scaling of old content the lines are a bit blurry. I just quest to fill in the gaps between instances.

[Shodokan]

And what seems to "erk" (omg I feel unclean even just quoting that and it is actually "irk" btw if anyone is really interested at this point, not being a grammar / spelling nazi, just offhand educational comments to allow better communication and what was I trying to say again?)

Lets start over. I think some people are irked when you say things like "go from nothing to something" when clearly you are not going from nothing. Not when you start off with free mounts, boosting, etc. Thats like saying I started with nothing in arenas and now have the latest and greatest series gear when each of your characters was carried by another team.

And just fyi, I have 2 teams of 5 at 80. I have a DK team of 5 at 68 which doesn't really count although they have done all the <70 BC instances. I have never boosted because the mind numbing tediousness of the technique would drive me to suicide. I really enjoy doing instances close to the intended level although with Blizzard's scaling of old content the lines are a bit blurry. I just quest to fill in the gaps between instances.

On your first note: Grammar/spelling Nazism isn't kosher ;)

Second note: Nothing is all relative.

Arena note: Carried by another team? What are you talking about? So are you saying that a group of five people do not deserve the same praise for getting the same gear/rating as someone who is doing it mainly by them self? I think that is a foolish claim. (Though i doubt that is what you intended)

Leveling note: To each their own.

[Fursphere]

On your first note: Grammar/spelling Nazism isn't kosher

I for one support our new Grammar/Spelling Nazi Overlords

[yaki]

Nazism isn't kosher

lolwut

[Svpernova09]

I for one support our new Grammar/Spelling Nazi Overlords


I believe you dropped this: "."

[Shodokan]

lolwut

At least someone got the joke.

[thinus]

Second note: Nothing is all relative.
Its only relative when you are deluding yourself or trying to delude others, otherwise nothing is nothing.


Arena note: Carried by another team? What are you talking about? So are you saying that a group of five people do not deserve the same praise for getting the same gear/rating as someone who is doing it mainly by them self? I think that is a foolish claim. (Though i doubt that is what you intended)

I think you completely misunderstood the analogy.


Leveling note: To each their own.

You were the one that posed the question why wouldn't you boost if you had an 80 available. My leveling comments were speaking directly to that. In fact, I will even quote it for you:

I'm sorry it erks you that i'm getting boosted. It's the same as anyone starting out boxing with a main account already with an 80 who CAN boost. Why would you do it any differently if you had the option?

[Shodokan]

Its only relative when you are deluding yourself or trying to delude others, otherwise nothing is nothing.



I think you completely misunderstood the analogy.



You were the one that posed the question why wouldn't you boost if you had an 80 available. My leveling comments were speaking directly to that. In fact, I will even quote it for you:

Regardless to the fact that you were addressing my comment that most people would boost if they had the option. You apparently are not most people.



This thread can be deleted if it's going to end up with me vs everyone in an e-peen contest. I'm not looking for more of that.

[Drommon]

OP -

Just post your stuff and fuck everyone else. I, for one, am interested in what you have to say. I don't judge.

There are people waiting to hear from you. Remember its the vocal minority speaking....

Adamus

[Shodokan]

OP -

Just post your stuff and fuck everyone else. I, for one, am interested in what you have to say. I don't judge.

There are people waiting to hear from you. Remember its the vocal minority speaking....

Adamus


Thanks for the support mate.



Update: I've done a lot of "theory crafting" based on the server i'm going to play... i will be rolling ALL characters other than my rogues/prot pally as alchemy/tailoring. If all goes well (which it should) the 30+ characters @ 65 for 450 skills will be worth every penny, even the first week. Having to buy mats for all the gems will be a nuisance but the gold made PER character based off of cloth is ridiculous. 250g per spellweave = drool considering i will spec spellfire on every one of them that is ~70 spellweave every ~ 3.5 days. The amount of money it will take to level JC there is just dumb... around 4k whereas tailoring won't ever break 2k. The thing is that jc's money making abilities are pretty random, but they are daily...where as approximately twice a week you get a guaranteed ~300 pieces of cloth. Since you are looking at half of that cloth being valued at 250 or so per... that is a lot of money (~28000g if it all sells which is unlikely). Even if i were to sell it all in bulk to a 3rd party for say 200g per to guarantee the market doesn't tank the money would be great. Good thing about the alchemy part is that all gems are 180g or higher, 200-225 for cuts.

Also i've come to the conclusion (from watching trade for the past 2 hours) that spellweave and crusader orbs are in high demand for the creation of bejeweled/merlin items. These sell on the AH for an extra 1-2k over their value (i watched two robes sell one @ 5k and one @ 6k over a 3 hour period as well as 3 sets of bracers go for 3.5k) So making these items with cloth/gems will increase profit margin. Crusader orbs went for a consistent 200 gold each so the value of per hour heroic farming is much greater than TOC farming, ESPECIALLY on the server i will be playing on.

Assuming you do 1 hour of heroics per day you can get about 1800g worth of materials not including any greys/greens/frozen orbs/coin.




HUGE EDIT
My roomate wants to play wow, as does his girlfriend. They want to play alliance and i know both of them IRL so i will be rolling alliance as well. The thing about this is that i won't be getting power leveled and will be doing everything 100% from scratch no help at all.

Roomate is making: paladin/priest/shaman
Girlfriend is making: mage/hunter/druid

So i'm going to RAF my roomate and he's going to RAF her. So my account E will get an extra character, also because of this i'll be leveling all teams from lvl 1 from scratch... so.... more characters for professions >_>

[Liamstriker]

So your not boosting all your other characters? Or are you doing that along with your roommate and girlfriends characters?

[Drommon]

Hmmm, interesting. I found it odd that on Kil'Jaeden Titansteel bars sold for less than spellweave does. When I thought about it, it made sense. There are more toons that use cloth as armor than leather or plate. Specializing in Tailoring for economic leadership is probably a good move and well as Alchemy for its transmutes. I have considered JC/Alchemy for all my toons at one time. I didn't do enough research to confirm that is was a sure money maker. The programmer in me wants to write scripts that use RL economic models to evaluate trends in WoW AH economics. But then, I don't have time for that... work work work....

[Shodokan]

So your not boosting all your other characters? Or are you doing that along with your roommate and girlfriends characters?

I'm going to be playing through the game on alliance while my friend and his girlfriend do the same

This also means my account E gets free levels :)

[Redbeard]

I have sort of a motive question for you... you stated that you really enjoy making money / accumulating wealth, so it thats the answer then thats the answer and thats fine but...

What are you going to do with all this money youre going to make? Realistically, once you get to 80 and gear up (the majority of which takes drops, not purchased items)... sure you need some cash for gemming and enchanting, but once you do that... money is pretty worthless. You can pounce on new vanity items when they come out, or when blizz releases something like the battered hilt youll be well in place to scoop them up even at outrageous prices in order to get yours first... but realistically, once you hit 80 and are at end game for a while theres really nothing to use money for...

Do you just enjoy seeing that gold # tick higher? Thats perfectly fine if you do, just curious if you have some other motive.

[Shodokan]

I have sort of a motive question for you... you stated that you really enjoy making money / accumulating wealth, so it thats the answer then thats the answer and thats fine but...

What are you going to do with all this money youre going to make? Realistically, once you get to 80 and gear up (the majority of which takes drops, not purchased items)... sure you need some cash for gemming and enchanting, but once you do that... money is pretty worthless. You can pounce on new vanity items when they come out, or when blizz releases something like the battered hilt youll be well in place to scoop them up even at outrageous prices in order to get yours first... but realistically, once you hit 80 and are at end game for a while theres really nothing to use money for...

Do you just enjoy seeing that gold # tick higher? Thats perfectly fine if you do, just curious if you have some other motive.

I'm a fan of vanity in the game. Traveler's tundra mounts etc etc. I'm also an avid single character PVPer and do everything i can for dedicated partners (pay for enchants, gems etc). I love helping friends too...people who don't have as much time as i do to play but could have more fun with the game with things such as epic flying etc.

I do like seeing my money go up though. I've hit gold cap twice =D

[suicidesspyder]

Ok easy there colin lol. I love in the next state and i know how heated Rhode Islanders get lol. It would be nice to see what you do and how. My only thing is instead of saying what your going to do and getting hounded from people not thinking you can do it prove them wrong. Like nike says JUST DO IT.

This is how people show other people they know what they are doing and talking about. So anyways good luck in your mission.

[thinus]

Like nike says JUST DO IT.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa88/Thinusb/JustDidIt.jpg

[Ualaa]

Nice picture, lol.

[Fef]

... instead of saying what your going to do and getting hounded from people not thinking you can do it prove them wrong. Like nike says JUST DO IT

Very much this.

[Shodokan]

Thanks for the support guys. I'll be starting on monday with quests in azeroth.

Just got 5 copies of battle chest for 130$ including tax

[lacitpo]

Armory links?

[Tasty]

A tad off topic I know but


So what was your original forum username here?

reminds me of

Malone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000125/): Why do you want to join the force?
George Stone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000412/): To protect the property and citizenry of...
Malone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000125/): Ah, don't waste my time with that bullshit. Where you from, Stone?
George Stone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000412/): I'm from the south-side.
Malone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000125/): Stone. George Stone. That's your name? What's your real name?
George Stone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000412/): That is my real name.
Malone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000125/): Nah. What was it before you changed it?
George Stone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000412/): Giuseppe Petri.
Malone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000125/): Ah, I knew it. That's all you need, one thieving wop on the team.
George Stone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000412/): Hey, what's that you say?
Malone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000125/): I said that you're a lying member of a no good race.
[He cuffs Stone across the face. As he draws back his arm again, Stone presses a gun under his chin]
George Stone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000412/): Much better than you, you stinking Irish pig.
Malone (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000125/): Oh, I like him.


:P anyway, GL Shodokan

[Shodokan]

Temporary problem... new computer wont be in till january 15th... so i am going to level 4x dks to 80 just for the gold since this computer can't even handle 5 copies of the game running @ 15 fps

[Crel]

so i am going to level 4x dks to 80 just for the gold
Dont you need 4x lv 55+ characters on the account? I thought you just bought your chests?

Edit: doh my bad, I see you posted that the 18th, armory links!

[Shodokan]

I'll post armory links once my first group hits 60 tomorrow.

edit: I have too much crap to do today-tomorrow so i will not hit 60 till saturday or sunday

EDIT I GET MY COMPUTER MONDAY!!!! IT SHIPPED TODAY!!!

[Shodokan]

I got my computer

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4176/img0722i.jpg

Now the fun begins.

[Multibocks]

Is that the bed where the magic happens? Needs more tiger skin covers /wink

[Starbuck_Jones]

*wonders what that thing is peeking out under the pillow*

[Shodokan]

*wonders what that thing is peeking out under the pillow*

That's my CRT TV remote, i left my 42" sony bravia @ school for my roomate (hes staying there over break)

[Ogloo]

*wonders what that thing is peeking out under the pillow*
jeez ur observant... ;)
and ur pillow looks a little yellow.. whats going on there?

[Sajuuk]

LOLALIENWARE! Get a real computer.

Oh, and learn to resize. Not all of us like to rely on the forums doing things for us. Some of us like to do our own work, kapish?

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/512/dscf7467edit.jpg

[Shodokan]

Enough spam.

[Sajuuk]

Bahahahaha.

IZ NOT SPAM.

THIS

IS

SERIOUS

BUSINESS

BLOG

THREAD



So tell us, why would daddy pay the big premium for an alienware rather than save some money and let you learn by building your own?

How much gold you have now? (https://www.blogger.com/start)

[Crel]

Kinda repeat but.....
Armory!
I see a bunch of characters in your sig can I check them out yo:cool:? Takes like 5 mins, and the whole point to making this thread is to keep track of your progress eh?
Also lets get a shot of the whole setup ie. monitor mouse and keyboard etc.

[Aenar]

There's a lot of hate in this entire thread. I don't know if its a inside joke, just poking fun, or its well deserved. I do get the impression Shodokan is just looking for some respect and feel equally a part of this boxing community. Unfortunately, threads alone will not keep anyone at that level.

A common view that runs through these forums is that its expected an experienced/respected boxer is able to hold his own (characters, software, & hardware knowledge), do his research on anything new or not understood, and over time have something to show for it. And its okay to ask questions or bounce theories around, as long as its posted in an intelligent manner. ("Whatz R the macros 4?" = forum beating)

Things I've read in this thread that made me feel like Shodokan will succeed: Able to get the software and hardware to play, and has thought out a leveling plan (and able to revise that plan as the situation changes).

Things I've read that make me think burnout or boredom will stop the adventure: Software and Hardware weren't secured by self-means (another party helped pay majority of the cost, means the financial value doesn't exist), the trophy picture on the bed (keeping a collection of progress from scratch is good, but using a bed for the setup screams 'high school weekend project').

Shodokan I hope you do succeed in multiboxing, but if you're goal is the be the best of the best, in game and out... it will take a lot of time and effort. If you're goal is to enjoy the uniqueness of this community & boxing, only wanting to be a part of it all - you're already there, just keep at it and have fun.

[Drommon]

LOLALIENWARE! Get a real computer.

Oh, and learn to resize. Not all of us like to rely on the forums doing things for us. Some of us like to do our own work, kapish?

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/512/dscf7467edit.jpg

Nice setup. I see you have and xkeys pro. Can you zoom out that pic so we can see the rest of your setup?

[Sajuuk]

Nice setup. I see you have and xkeys pro. Can you zoom out that pic so we can see the rest of your setup?
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5579/dscf7436e.jpg

Sadly I hardly ever use my Xkeys nowadays. :(





YO. MR WIGGLESWORTH AKA SHADOKEN. GIVE MORE BLOGGISHNESS IN BLOG THREAD, PLOX.



There's a lot of hate in this entire thread. I don't know if its a inside joke, just poking fun, or its well deserved.
I hold little respect for a person that doesn't pay for their own stuff. (Debt is allowed, but going out and saying "DADDY! I WANTS DIS *holds up two thousand dollar computer* BUYS IT FOR ME PLOX! KTHX!" is not kosher for me)

[Fizzler]

I hold little respect for a person that doesn't pay for their own stuff. (Debt is allowed, but going out and saying "DADDY! I WANTS DIS *holds up two thousand dollar computer* BUYS IT FOR ME PLOX! KTHX!" is not kosher for me)


wow you need a hug... seriously. You know you want one.

[Bot]

@sajuuk



Be Nice http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/smilies/smile.gif (Includes you wilbur :P) be nice to each other and respect the authority of Moderators and specialist staff.

from the rules. ive had them quoted to me once by a very important person on these boards. just quit being a jerk and ignore this thread if you dont like it. youre ruining the experience for the people who just want to read it.

[Drommon]

Nice setup Sajuuk. What kind of monitors are those?

[Sajuuk]

Nice setup Sajuuk. What kind of monitors are those?

Dell P2310H's. They're one of the less expensive monitors with onboard Displayport...I didn't want to bother with getting an adapter.

[Tasty]

Dell P2310H's. They're one of the less expensive monitors with onboard Displayport...I didn't want to bother with getting an adapter.

loldisplayports.

I don't consider myself to be 'behind the times' or anything but like.. I was at work one day unpacking a new PC and it had a display port on it and I was like wtf is that? Seriously, it made me feel like I live under a rock or something :P

[mihon]

Goodluck. =)

[Sajuuk]

loldisplayports.

I don't consider myself to be 'behind the times' or anything but like.. I was at work one day unpacking a new PC and it had a display port on it and I was like wtf is that? Seriously, it made me feel like I live under a rock or something :P

To run an Eyefinity setup like I have you need to use the displayport plug on the 5XXX series cards, so that means either a monitor with it or an Active adaptor. I chose to get uniform monitors.


Oh, and apparently you can daisy-chain displayport monitors for multiple displays. (Not entirely sure, but whatever)

[Shodokan]

Just a small update. I hit 72 today. I decided to take it slow and not go all out. I'm looking at about 1 level a day or so.

While leveling i've already made over 8,000 gold total. 4k of which went to power leveling enchanting for my paladin tank (low level dust was absurdly expensive, like 90g per stack... all the way up to arcane). I will be using the other 4kish to level jewelcrafting. Not bad for just questing so far. I also have about 80 stacks of runecloth and 60 stacks of netherweave... so good start for powerlvling alts tailoring.

I also had the oppertunity to get average statistics from a friend of mine who had to gear his resto shaman. From blues to geared enough to ICC (full t9 etc) yielded some interesting average results per instance etc. He took down the exact amount of silver/gold, greys and white items dropped as well greens (which in his experience averaged at 5 per run). So i'm looking forward to using heroics to make money when i'm done.

[Fizzler]

low leveling enchants are crazy expensive. Really most low level mats are rediculous. There is gold to be made and lost there.

[Shodokan]

low leveling enchants are crazy expensive. Really most low level mats are rediculous. There is gold to be made and lost there.

Yes there is... Especially in outland greens on my server. It's making me want to start abusing the tailoring trick from BC.

[Sajuuk]

Yes there is... Especially in outland greens on my server. It's making me want to start abusing the tailoring trick from BC.

That works fine until you flood the market and the person running that portion of the AH decides to just undercut you.

[thinus]

On the subject of making gold, what is the best use of Frostweave Cloth? I have so much of the stuff I am having to buy extra bank tabs for it.

[Shodokan]

That works fine until you flood the market and the person running that portion of the AH decides to just undercut you.

This is why you control the market instead of flooding it. You speak like i'm some retarded kid who just got off the short bus. On my server there really isn't anyone selling these materials in the long term. What do i care if some idiot undercuts me a few times? I can always undercut them back as most of those players will not check their auctions every few hours.


On the subject of making gold, what is the best use of Frostweave Cloth? I have so much of the stuff I am having to buy extra bank tabs for it.

That is server dependent. The best use on my server is frost weave bags.

Cost: 6 bolts of imbued netherweave ( 10 cloth + 2 dust per bolt) and a thread

On my server dust is 2g each, so you'd need 12 (24g for all), then the cloth is ~ 4g per stack (12g total) and bags sell for 50-55g

This means that for a 36g investment you get back 50-55g. That is a 14 to 19g profit per bag. They can take a bit to sell though. But if you get the mats yourself say doing heroics you are looking at... ~ 3 greens worth of infinite dust. So for every 3 stacks of frostweave + 3ish greens worth of disenchanted materials you get about 50g. It's not bad at all.

[Knytestorme]

But if you get the mats yourself say doing heroics you are looking at... ~ 3 greens worth of infinite dust. So for every 3 stacks of frostweave + 3ish greens worth of disenchanted materials you get about 50g. It's not bad at all.

Falicy here, you still need to take into account how much you are losing by not selling the items or mats on the AH. This obviously then means that it makes no difference if you get the cloth or dust yourself and use it for making the bags or sell it on the AH and then use the funds to buy them back off the AH to make the bags.

This also doesn't take into account that it's more expensive for you to use mats gotten while grinding if the item sells to a vendor for more than the mats de'd from it can be brought from the AH. For example, dust is 2g per dust, item that sells for 10g to vendor will de into 4 dust means that you will cost yourself 2g min by de'ing it yourself and using the mats rather than selling it to vendor and buying dusts from AH.

[Shodokan]

Falicy here, you still need to take into account how much you are losing by not selling the items or mats on the AH. This obviously then means that it makes no difference if you get the cloth or dust yourself and use it for making the bags or sell it on the AH and then use the funds to buy them back off the AH to make the bags.

This also doesn't take into account that it's more expensive for you to use mats gotten while grinding if the item sells to a vendor for more than the mats de'd from it can be brought from the AH. For example, dust is 2g per dust, item that sells for 10g to vendor will de into 4 dust means that you will cost yourself 2g min by de'ing it yourself and using the mats rather than selling it to vendor and buying dusts from AH.

Stating common sense is amazing. That goes for any green being DE'd. You take the risk of getting less than the worth of the item sold to vendor. Regardless of if you get the mats yourself or buy them it is still 14-19g better to make bags than not. The 55g is pure profit if you get all the mats yourself regardless of if it would sell for less if you used the items in other ways. Opposed to having only the gold to make the bags. You'd be making the 36ish gold either way if the items are yours (greens, cloth etc) So calling it a falicy is just silly and you're calling me out on something so small that it seems counterproductive.

Regardless your point is "correct". From my personal experience most things that DE from instances are worth around 4g each (i mostly see rings and cloth drop). So you are looking to DE ~3 items (assuming item level 75+ which now de to 3-5 dust[could be more, was 2-5 before but i know it was changed] or 1-2 GCE) that is ~12g which is less than buying the dust on most servers. So the point may be valid but moot at best. You obviously will not DE a green that will sell for 8g unless you have a 75% chance to get at least ONE greater cosmic. Like stated before, i would like to assume people have common sense.

[Ualaa]

It is all opportunity costs.

You can vendor the drops, for "x" gold.
You can DE the drops, for "y" gold (which varies, but will average something long-term).

One of the two options is a gain over the option, by "z" amount.
Naturally, you'll go with the better option, all things being equal.

Whether you vendor the item, and purchase Infinite Dust.
Or DE it, and acquire the Infinite Dust that way.
The method of getting the dust doesn't matter, except that you use the more profitable approach.

Combine so much dust, with so much cloth.
Which averages 36 gold in costs.
And end up with something which averages 55g in value.
And you are up the difference.

[Shodokan]

It is all opportunity costs.

You can vendor the drops, for "x" gold.
You can DE the drops, for "y" gold (which varies, but will average something long-term).

One of the two options is a gain over the option, by "z" amount.
Naturally, you'll go with the better option, all things being equal.

Whether you vendor the item, and purchase Infinite Dust.
Or DE it, and acquire the Infinite Dust that way.
The method of getting the dust doesn't matter, except that you use the more profitable approach.

Combine so much dust, with so much cloth.
Which averages 36 gold in costs.
And end up with something which averages 55g in value.
And you are up the difference.

Yes. I guess many people don't see how opportunity costs go along with WoW. That's OK though. The whole idea of how the materials are obtained doesn't REALLY matter, but in a way it does. Like you said you are making more money by maximizing your profitability for the items you have obtained, especially if the items you are DEing are worth less than the dust you will be receiving(like item level 75+ rings) which if you vendored it and got less gold you'd be losing out on even more money.

So lets say the items you are DEing are all rings which sell for under 4 gold. They DE for an average of ~ 4 dust per because of the changes to enchanting mats from disenchant. So that could double the value per item you DE, that's if they don't DE for a GCE as GCE would more than double the item's worth to the player. So lets say after doing a bunch of heroics you have 9 stacks of frostweave cloth, 10 greens to DE that would be worth 4g when sold to vendor and are level 75+. For this we will take into account that the items are worth approximately 3.5 dust per, we won't discuss GCE as if they happen then you are making much more profit than the item DE'd anyway.

Option 1: Vendoring
9 stacks of frostweave = 22.5g
10 greens worth 4 g = 40g
Total: 62.5g

Option 2: Making Bags
9 stacks of frostweave = 36 x bolts of frostweave so you can make 3 bags worth of imbued
10 greens = ~ 40 infinite dust
Thread = -6 gold per bag

Each bag takes 12 dust + 12 bolts so you can make 3 bags worth, have 4 infinite dust left over.
Each bag sells for lets say 48 gold (varying depending on server obviously)
48 x 3 = 144 gold
- 18 = 126 gold

126/62.5 = ~ 2 times better to use enchanting + tailoring over vendoring.

[Knytestorme]

And the problem you have here still is that you are not listing all the options.

Option 3 would be Ah-ing the cloth and de'ing the greens to sell the mats you get. In this case how many CE's you get is important to the calculations.

Option 4 would be de'ing the greens, using the dust and cloth to make imbued bolts to then AH, again the number of CE's you get from the DE is important to the calculations.

It's easy to say that people should have common sense, however the beginners forum shows that's not the case, so if you're trying to provide an informative thread you should not assume the reader knows anything and make sure to explain the reasons for every decision.

Greedy Goblin and other sites show that plenty of people don't understand the concept of opportunity cost or arbitrage so just skimming over those concepts with a glib throw-away line such as "it's even cheaper if I farm the mats myself" provides no service to people reading the thread for the most part so if you want to use such lines or thoughts you really should make sure to do things such as you have done in the past post and show calculations for why a choice provides a better option and what variables need to be considered that could change that decision.

As an example:

Assumption: We have 10 level 75 armour items that have a 75% chance to provide 5 ID's, 20% chance to provide 1.5 GCE and 5% chance to provide DS

Current market value is 2g per ID, 10g per GCE, 20g per DS

Therefore we will average 3.75 ID, 0.3 GCE, 0.05 DS per green item. If it vendors for more than (3.75*2 + 0.3*10 + 0.05*20)g we should vendor it otherwise we should de it leading to an income of, on average, at least 11.5g per item.

This then gives us the base value for option 1 of selling our items and then from there you can go into the various options regarding using the items to make tradegoods to potenitally sell for more value. Using your previous example with calculations modified to match mine above.



Option 1: Vendoring
9 stacks of frostweave = 22.5g
10 greens worth 11.5 g each = 115g
Total: 137.5g

Option 2: Making Bags
9 stacks of frostweave = 36 x bolts of frostweave so you can make 3 bags worth of imbued
10 greens = ~ 40 infinite dust
Thread = -6 gold per bag

Each bag takes 12 dust + 12 bolts so you can make 3 bags worth, have 4 infinite dust left over.
Each bag sells for lets say 48 gold (varying depending on server obviously)
48 x 3 = 144 gold
- 18 = 126 gold

126/137.5.5 = better to de + vendor items than make bags


Another thing missing from your calculations, though less important now that the DE option is available in a group, is that the de items could be used to make various enchants to sell on the AH rather than used to imbue cloth.

What you are trying to do is tricky to do right but it should be done right or not at all.

As an aside to this, I have a degree in commerce with my majors in finance and risk management (eg hedging, arbitrage, options, etc) so I am talking from a background of knowledge :)

[thinus]

Someone draw up a spreadsheet I can just plug my server values into that will tell me what to do with my cloth lol.
This discussion is why I will always be poor.

[Knytestorme]

Someone draw up a spreadsheet I can just plug my server values into that will tell me what to do with my cloth lol.
This discussion is why I will always be poor.

Funny you should say that. I'm thinking of how best to write an addon that uses the server vars from auctioneer combined with tradeskills you have to tell you where arbitrage opportunity exists, essentially what you are asking about but in game

[Starbuck_Jones]

I remember getting all 20 frostweave bags for my group by buying about 200g worth of frostweave cloth and then pounding out some helm that DE into piles of dust with my blacksmith useing like 4 coblat bars a pop. Still in the end I couldnt find anyting quicker than 40 min of icecrown dailys and after I got epic flying, gold hasnt been an issue anymore... Makeing a new toon? 40 min of 5xdailys later and trade over about 1500g. There ya go little buddy, some nice seed money, dont spend it all on one vendor now ya hear.

I tried DEing tailoring items, but it was just a hastle buying extra vendor items like thread and crap to be worth the time. Buy 8 stacks of ore. pound out like 40 helms and DE away. Poof 3 stacks of dust for next to nothing.

[Nighthawk38]

Not to continue beating a dead horse... but WHERE IS THE ARMORY ????

[Seldum]

I know theres an abandoned armory in Nagrand?

Ohh I guess thats not what you meant :D

[Shodokan]

ding 75, another 500ish gold atm :)

Wow characters updated with first team.

[Shodokan]

ding 76

i am going to head to bed for a bit and grind out 78 tomorrow i think. I will start streaming once i start heroics.

[Stealthy]

Bunch of posts deleted....

If you don't care for what's being posted in this thread, don't read it or learn to use the ignore function.

If you think the forum rules are being breached, report the posts and leave it to the mods.

DO NOT come in and fill up the thread with junk posts.

[Shodokan]

ding 77 and got flying... much easier :-D

[Shodokan]

DING 80!

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1421/wowscrnshot011610015529.jpg

After some thought i am going to be running with a friend since he needs to gear up as well.

3x shaman + prot pally (29k self buffed so far) + resto druid, will be a lot of fun. Then i'll be running for offsets/boas on 4 accounts and gearing up the last shaman as i go, Maybe have one go resto while gearing it up.

[Ualaa]

Under Shodokan's name, on the top left of his posts, you can click for wow characters.
There are armory links there.

[Shodokan]

Under Shodokan's name, on the top left of his posts, you can click for wow characters.
There are armory links there.

Before someone goes "zomg specs are screwed up" i'm aware, i'll be fixing them tomorrow.

[Shodokan]

SLOWLY gearing up. 3 of the shaman have like 20 emblems, and my pally is geared. Shaman should be geared in a few days. Then i'll take it from there.

[Shodokan]

3 Shaman are mostly geared, Tank is geared minus 1 trinket and a better back piece.

I'm starting my 2nd team as i'm not too fond of the shaman though instancing with them is incredibly easy even without a healer (i normally solo que with one as healer though it's elemental)

BT steps apparently got nerfed as far as their respawn timer, it's like 7 minuets now.

I also won't be playing as much now i don't think... my class workload this semester is DUMB

For a single class i need to...

Read the wallstreet journal cover to cover DAILY for quizzes
25 page paper
10 5 page papers
2 exams
Read 2 700 page books + read my textbook.

Seriously... WHAT THE FUCK?

[Sajuuk]

3 Shaman are mostly geared, Tank is geared minus 1 trinket and a better back piece.

I'm starting my 2nd team as i'm not too fond of the shaman though instancing with them is incredibly easy even without a healer (i normally solo que with one as healer though it's elemental)

BT steps apparently got nerfed as far as their respawn timer, it's like 7 minuets now.

I also won't be playing as much now i don't think... my class workload this semester is DUMB

For a single class i need to...

Read the wallstreet journal cover to cover DAILY for quizzes
25 page paper
10 5 page papers
2 exams
Read 2 700 page books + read my textbook.

Seriously... WHAT THE FUCK?

Solution: Drop your classes and beg on the street.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well I got 5 guys to 450 alk and 2 to 450 tailor and a 440 smith and 450 jc. Getting more to alk and tail and one to eng.

So whats the point of JC? Cut gems seem to all sell for less then uncut or the difference is so small its not worth to get the scroll to make it. Im still making Necklace of the Deep for profit at 450 lol ....

And whats the point of Blacksmithing. Maybe the belt buckel and Iv had some sucess with tempered saronite armor but overall another fizzil.

And enginerring looks to be evern worse, and enchanting and glyphs dont seem a lot better.


Just going to get everyone alchmey I guess.

[Slats]

OK I read most posts without looking at who the poster is. I read yours Sam and I was confused. I had no idea how you couldn't understand how much profit is made from Eternal Belt Buckles, Armor and Weapon Vellums, and Ammunition.

You can pretty much PRINT money with any of these profressions.

Then I saw it was you posting and I understood. Before declaring something awful - understand it first - that seems to be your key problem with MMO's.

[Slats]

I also won't be playing as much now i don't think... my class workload this semester is DUMB

For a single class i need to...

Read the wallstreet journal cover to cover DAILY for quizzes
25 page paper
10 5 page papers
2 exams
Read 2 700 page books + read my textbook.

Seriously... WHAT THE FUCK?

Yeah you actually have to study at Uni - breeze through the classes and get out in the real world and you'll regret not soaking up as much information as possible because now you cant study easily because you have a mortgage 15 kids and a pet dolphin.

Also why the hell are you using a forum thread as your personal blog - get a blog like everyone else.

[Aenar]

...and a pet dolphin.

Is this something you can buy at the Online Blizzard Store? :D
15 kids is nothx!

[Sam DeathWalker]

Eternal Belt Buckles, Armor and Weapon Vellums, and Ammunition


As compared to alchmey transmutes and tailor bags/cloth cooldowns?



I did mention the belt buckles and they do seem profitable but not anything like selling maj zir and kings amber. I don't know about weapon vellums and ammunition but you are the first person I ahve ever seen to mention eaither as big time money makers.

[Slats]

They key to vellums is how cheap they are to make and that they sell steadily. Sure doing one transmute a day might make you absolute tops 200g-1000g if you proc 5 gems.

But if you have every tradeskill availible to you why not make use of them?

Using Auctioneers snatch feature I buy raw materials when they are under a certian price. I then bank it all up and usually on a Tuesday evening (maint hits at oceanic prime time so this is a no raid or play night for us). I will do a couple hours of tidying up and crafting.

I usually buy on the weekends because stuff is insanely cheap. I sell it all during the week right before raid time so once I get out of my raid I have a mailbox full of money.

Eternal Belt Buckles
Armor/Weapon Vellum
Epic Gems
Blue Gems
Meta Gems
Titanium Bar
Spellthread
Frostweave Bags
Netherweave Bags
Ammo
Primordial Saronite from Frost Badges

Alchemy is key here as you can transmute Saronite Bars into Titanium and it has no cooldown and can proc additional bars. You can also create blank meta gems which also have no cooldown and can proc additional units. Having a JC with the right cuts is important. I make a huge amount of money on Belt Buckles.

I spend all of my honor/triumph badges/wintergrasp winning tokens/stonekeeper shards on Epic Gems. Every couple of weeks I will cut a few hundred epic gems and then sell them off over the next two weeks until I restock.

I started on 1000g. I have never done dailies with my team. I've made over 350,000 gold in the past few months.

And spent about 300,000 :D

[alcattle]

Alchemy is key here as you can transmute Saronite Bars into Titanium and it has no cooldown and can proc additional bars. You can also create blank meta gems which also have no cooldown and can proc additional units. Having a JC with the right cuts is important. I make a huge amount of money on Belt Buckles.

:D
I just got a toon to Alchemy GM, and started on Saronite<>Titanium. Does one have to be Tranmutation Master to get procs? The toon is at 65 now so 3 levels until I can do the Quest.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya you have to do the quest to get procs. You can specilize in any of the 3 and then change to transmute for 150G which might be cheaper then 4 primal mights.

Lol I just proced FOUR on a majistic zircon transmute.


Ill make some of the items on your list and see how they go. I know that the belt buckle sells fast.

[BobGnarly]

So whats the point of JC? Cut gems seem to all sell for less then uncut or the difference is so small its not worth to get the scroll to make it. Im still making Necklace of the Deep for profit at 450 lol ....

And whats the point of Blacksmithing. Maybe the belt buckel and Iv had some sucess with tempered saronite armor but overall another fizzil.

And enginerring looks to be evern worse, and enchanting and glyphs dont seem a lot better.


First off, you do realize there are reasons to have tradeskills besides trying to DEATHWALKER the Auction House, right?

Engineering = pvp
Blacksmithing = awesome +sta upgrades
And you are seriously asking what the point of JC is? JC is one of the best all around professions right now.

But forget about that. I think you should reevaluate how you go about making money on the ah if you think those are all pointless. I've made a TON on JC alone. The key is to identify cuts that aren't common and keep the AH stocked with those, in addition to finding opportunities to sell the fast movers. In fact, I think with some clever play, you could sustain a 5box team on selling Runed Cardinal Rubies alone just on volume, and that's probably the weakest of my payoffs.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well maybe your server is different on mine cardinal ruby is 168g and runed card ruby is 179. The spread is about the same for most else with 30g being the tip top on the 3 main gems.

Well eye of zhul might have some possibilities 194 for shining eye and only 102 for the eye itself ....

Guess I have to look for whats hot and whats not.


Of course enging is for pvp..... Im talking only for making gold as that was the thrust of the discussion so far.


BS is ok though just sold a suit of the tempered saronite armor (cost about 30G to make and sell for 100G each) so I guess there might be a possible profit there.

[Moorea]

Hey sam, any plan to hit 80 on even 1 character before the cap becomes 85 ? or have more than 3 toons at or above level 70 ? or even more than 1/2 your guys above level 50 ? after 1 year 1/2...

(source http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&gn=The+DeathWalker+Empire )

[Khatovar]

Well maybe your server is different on mine cardinal ruby is 168g and runed card ruby is 179. The spread is about the same for most else with 30g being the tip top on the 3 main gems.



JC doesn't begin and end with cut gems. Prospecting cheap ore for gems at just about any level = $$. Prospecting titanium ore for epic gems and Titanium Powder = $$. Dailies for Dragon's Eyes = $$$. Even stacks of uncommon gems can bring in a pretty penny, or be burned with a surplus of Frozen Orbs for Icy Prisms. Crafted jewelry can be DE'd for enchanting mats to sell or sent to your enchanter to craft into Scrolls of Enchant * to auction. Crafted Epic jewelry is often in high demand when new pieces come out or as people are gearing up.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Moorea:

Now that I have wotlk on all accounts Ill be heading here and doing this, that should provide a ton of exp for my guys, even level 46's will get lots of exp with boost tagging (Pal grouped with 4 lowbies for tagging then the other 31 ungrouped to help kill the mobs insantly). Still working on the Win7 upgrade, found that you can't clone win7 64bit to other hardware so thats slowing me up a bit having to clean install on all computers. Also upgrading my last monitor (have 5 at 1920 X 1200 now) to 1920X1200.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69UfWK1Z8LY



Ya I forgot about that icy prisim gonna do that this morning.

[Shodokan]

An update...I'm done leveling characters... seriously F leveling priests and warriors.


5x paladin
5x dk
4x shaman
4x druid
4x rogues
4x hunter
4x warlock
3x mages

Total: 33 characters

I'm pretty proud i did all that in about a month.

[Sajuuk]

Don't be proud. That was all RAF. And we all know how stupidly easy that is.

Come back when you own the auction house in its entirety, or when you get glad.

[Shodokan]

Don't be proud. That was all RAF. And we all know how stupidly easy that is.

Come back when you own the auction house in its entirety, or when you get glad.

This is getting ridiculous. Put me on ignore if you're going to be a blatant douche-bag about everything i ever say.

edit: i'll do the same for you.

[Chilaxx]

imo, well done man!
who cares if it was with RAF? A month of leveling sux, doesn't matter how you do it!

Enjoy yourself with your teams man!

[Whitz]

oh my

[SideWays]

Uhm? Oo...............................

[Oswyn]

Don't be proud. That was all RAF. And we all know how stupidly easy that is.

Come back when you own the auction house in its entirety, or when you get glad.


This is so not what this community should be about. On my ignore list now too.

[Svpernova09]

I'm reeling this in, it's gone way beyond far enough.

@Shodokan: If you really want to do a running account of what your doing, get a blog, if you have specific updates of what you're doing in game, do a new / weekly post type deal. Contributions of what your doing boxing are always welcome.
@Sajuuk: Chill you're past trolling this guy and getting pretty close to stalking.
@tTrolls: GTFO & DIAF